Is ENF a White/European component?

[ecptr]

@Jingle Bell you can post an accurate map, this is merely a generalization.

https://i.postimg.cc/197Pqpv8/ENF.jpg

[Jingle Bell]

ENF peaks in Beduins???
This map its incorrect, sardinians score 80%+ ENF

[Jingle Bell]

Target: Northern_Arabia:BedouinB
Distance: 6.9670% / 0.06967050
76.2 Levant_PPNB
18.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.2 MAR_Taforalt
1.0 Dinka
1.0 ETH_4500B

0% ENF

[J. Ketch]

It's a woggy component, simples.

[Marshall Theodore]

Thats the component responsible for wog looking european fellas

[Ænglishman]

ENF peeks in Sardinia but is more similar in composition to "pure" MENA populations than it is to most European populations. It is a mixed component which is most similar to extreme South Europeans that have confirmed recent near Eastern ancestry and to 50-50 populations such as Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews. Most Europeans and Near Easterners have ENF-ANF at similar levels 25-40% in MENA 35-45% in Europe except for southern Europeans that carry around 55-65% on average with the exception of Sardinians that carry 80~%. Bedouin Arabs and other peninsular populations score low ANF, but they are the exception not the rule in regard to ANF admixture in the Near East, and even so Bedouins are more closely related to ANF than many central and Northern Europeans. In short ANF is neither fully European nor fully Mideastern but is mixed and was mixed even contemporaneous to Natufians and the like. Pure ANF is genetically between Spain-Italy and Syria-Palestine, whether you consider ANF to be "white" is largely relative, I personally don't given that it is overall more similar to Mid-Eastern populations than it is to most Europeans.

[Ænglishman]

Target: Northern_Arabia:BedouinB
Distance: 6.9670% / 0.06967050
76.2 Levant_PPNB
18.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.2 MAR_Taforalt
1.0 Dinka
1.0 ETH_4500B

0% ENF

This is a highly misleading statement. Levant PPNB clearly has significant ANF ancestry 116669. Near Easterners at large have comparable amounts of ANF to Europeans with the exception of Peninsular Arabs whom are still closer to ANF overall than about half of Europe https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2821%2900839-4. I intend no offense but it simply isn't true to say Near Easterners have "0 ANF".

[Jingle Bell]

This is a highly misleading statement. Levant PPNB clearly has significant ANF ancestry 116669. Near Easterners at large have comparable amounts of ANF to Europeans with the exception of Peninsular Arabs whom are still closer to ANF overall than about half of Europe https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2821%2900839-4. I intend no offense but it simply isn't true to say Near Easterners have "0 ANF".

Oh ok, but i think u are confusing ANF/ENF (Early ANATOLIAN Farmer) with Natufian (Proto-Middle eastern Farmer) they are related group but not the same
Europeans have ENF while ME's, NA's and related have Natufian with some ENF, no?
Or maybe im confusing the population?

[Jingle Bell]

@Jingle Bell you can post an accurate map, this is merely a generalization.

https://i.postimg.cc/197Pqpv8/ENF.jpg

Sry i did not found good maps but here some results:

https://i.imgur.com/BjodCsq.png
https://i.imgur.com/pwDcIYi.png
https://i.imgur.com/Q4Nmz2C.png
https://i.imgur.com/VdS3Utc.png

[Ænglishman]

Oh ok, but i think u are confusing ANF/ENF (Early ANATOLIAN Farmer) with Natufian (Proto-Middle eastern Farmer) they are related group but not the same
Europeans have ENF while ME's, NA's and related have Natufian with some ENF, no?

That is basically correct, but MENA has a lot more ENF than I've seen some people claim on here. The lowest ENF is in Saudis and other Peninsular Arabs and Bedouins, most MENA people have a similar amount of ENF-ANF to North-Euros around 30~% but much lower than Central-South Euros and Southern Europeans proper. Also because ANF is like two thirds MENA even Bedouins that are only like 11-18% ANF are equally as related as Central French whom are half or more 116672.

[Jingle Bell]

That is basically correct, but MENA has a lot more ENF than I've seen some people claim on here. The lowest ENF is in Saudis and other Peninsular Arabs and Bedouins, most MENA people have a similar amount of ENF-ANF to North-Euros around 30~% but much lower than Central-South Euros and Southern Europeans proper. Also because ANF is like two thirds MENA even Bedouins that are only like 11-18% ANF are equally as related as Central French whom are half or more 116672.

Hm, interesting, ty for the add informations guy! :thumb001:
I dont like atributte "white" or "euro" in ancient components, so i think ENF are a pan-caucaisn group, exactly btw MENAs and EURO

[Marshall Theodore]

Hm, interesting, ty for the add informations guy! :thumb001:
I dont like atributte "white" or "euro" in ancient components, so i think ENF are a pan-caucaisn group, exactly btw MENAs and EURO

White is a modern concept and probably only WHG would be labelled as "white" If you regard only genetics

[Jingle Bell]

White is a modern concept and probably only WHG would be labelled as "white" If you regard only genetics

yeah thats will i dnt use such a term, like Yamnaya peaks among n. euro (which are considered the "whitest" ones, nut Yamnaya have some E. asian admix, so isnt this white?
u can find strange put i dont consider brown and white as races, for me this dont makes any sense, so i alway just use Western Eurasians or Caucasoids

[Flashball]

Proto europoide.

[Lplius]

It's middle eastern.

[Marshall Theodore]

yeah thats will i dnt use such a term, like Yamnaya peaks among n. euro (which are considered the "whitest" ones, nut Yamnaya have some E. asian admix, so isnt this white?
u can find strange put i dont consider brown and white as races, for me this dont makes any sense, so i alway just use Western Eurasians or Caucasoids

Yeah, and Yamnaya were also almost like 1/4 West Asian