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Beowulf
12-12-2022, 07:25 PM
why iberian and celtiberian and Lusitanian samples plots in basque country and SW France mostly, why Celtiberians and other celts from iberia don't plot in modern France(central, north) or british isles, north italy etc...?

Distance to: Celtiberian:Celtiberian_200BC
0.03052602 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.04124962 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.04148927 France:French_Paris
0.04504485 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.04810807 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.05000845 France:French_Provence
0.05004897 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.05388737 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.05653223 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.05789055 Italy:Etruscan
0.05799679 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.06256700 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.06516634 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.07023532 East_Germanic:German_East
0.07028787 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.07231517 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.07291861 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.07390118 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.07437866 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.08123929 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08226662 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany
0.09064778 West_Balkans:Albanian
0.09452016 Northeast_Europe:Polish
0.10172435 Northeast_Europe:Ukrainian
0.10595156 Sardinia:Sardinian

Distance to: Lusitanian:Lusitanian
0.03058164 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.03523856 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.03640710 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.03833312 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.03959206 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.04948569 France:French_Provence
0.05107160 Italy:Etruscan
0.05110648 France:French_Paris
0.05265359 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.05819474 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.05842927 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.07210819 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.07330239 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany
0.07657069 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.07720074 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.07720622 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.08240458 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08278948 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.08292852 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.08421408 East_Germanic:German_East
0.08491129 West_Balkans:Albanian
0.08991702 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.08996000 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.09592444 Sardinia:Sardinian
0.09989194 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese

Even balearic islanders:
Distance to: OldBalearic:Baleares_Formentera_MBA
0.03637946 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.04196014 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.04767488 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.04985358 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.05047687 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.05676772 Italy:Etruscan
0.06284737 France:French_Provence
0.06731005 Sardinia:Sardinian
0.07205200 France:French_Paris
0.07321958 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.07473280 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.07623201 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany
0.08085348 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.09024457 West_Balkans:Albanian
0.09045482 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.09322166 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.09485977 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.09793041 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.09975470 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
0.10210841 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.10229374 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.10306619 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.10415652 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.10469088 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.11008767 East_Germanic:German_East

Jingle Bell
12-12-2022, 07:34 PM
First, The Iberians IA (Non Celts like Tartessians) plost with Basque bcs they had a low steppe (10% - 20%) high WHG (15% - 25%) and none Taforalt (Which is present in Iberian since Roman Times)
The Celtiberians (As the names sugest) were a mix of the iberians and the celts (these celts were related to gauls) they dont plot with ppl from Uk bcs the islanders celts were celtized Bell Beakers (mostly bbc with some celt dna) the islanders celts werent celts proper, and the mix with the iberians made they more North shifted than the Pre-Celts Iberians but more South Shifted than the Gauls and La Tene

and modern iberians are more north shifted than the celtiberians bcs modern iberians descends mostly from the Northern conquerors who were heavily Western-HispanoKelts (Also the "purest" celts since they dont mix with the natives) + some Germanic influence (but we know little abt this moment, we lack of samples so its hard know)

Modern Iberians are aorund 75% IA Iberians and the rest its mainly Germanic, roman, NA and Levantine

Beowulf
12-12-2022, 07:37 PM
First, The Iberians IA (Non Celts like Tartessians) plost with Basque bcs they had a low steppe (10% - 20%) high WHG (15% - 25%) and none Taforalt (Which is present in Iberian since Roman Times)
The Celtiberians (As the names sugest) were a mix of the iberians and the celts (these celts were related to gauls) they dont plot with ppl from Uk bcs the islanders celts were celtized Bell Beakers (mostly bbc with some celt dna) the islanders celts werent celts proper, and the mix with the iberians made they more North shifted than the Pre-Celts Iberians but more South Shifted than the Gauls and La Tene

and modern iberians are more north shifted than the celtiberians bcs modern iberians descends mostly from the Northern conquerors who were heavily Western-HispanoKelts (Also the "purest" celts since they dont mix with the natives) + some Germanic influence

Modern Iberians are aorund 75% IA Iberians and the rest its mainly Germanic, roman, NA and Levantine

Thanks i always had that doubt, very interesting explanation as always