Wich is the origin of your Y-DNA?

[Beowulf]

Idk if there is a thread for this but if not post here all u know about your Y-DNA from your two surnames(if u know both)

Mine is R-M153 wich is considered Basque and have it's peaks in South west France

the second one is R-Z295 From the NW euro branch Negative in Iberian Branch(my second surname is of french origin)

[vader]

I am R-Z225 on my paternal side, G-Y65 on my mom's paternal side.

R-Z225 is associated with the Bell Beakers into Iberia probably from an origin in Eastern France, Germany area. Celtic incorporated type. Can also see a higher incidence in western Iberia as opposed to eastern.

G-Y65 is associated with a single individual or clan, similar to the cases of I1 and E-V13 which survived an invasion (steppe, bell beaker) and became incorporated. Most likely the survivor got incorportated by southern Bell Beakers around the Mediterranean. It was found amongst ancient Sicani people in a recent paper as well.

[Beowulf]

I am R-Z225 on my paternal side, G-Y65 on my mom's paternal side.

R-Z225 is associated with the Bell Beakers into Iberia probably from an origin in Eastern France, Germany area.

G-Y65 is associated with the southern Bell Beaker's popular in the ancient Sicani tribes, and which also survived steppe invasions in mountains.

That's very cool

[happycow]

no idea the origins

[vader]

no idea the origins

you actually seem to have a similar branch to my mother's paternal line. I didn't realize. Very cool. Probably an anatolian, or caucuses origin in your case.

https://i.imgur.com/MQ4snLZ.png

[happycow]

you actually seem to have a similar branch to my mother's paternal line. I didn't realize. Very cool. Probably an anatolian, or caucuses origin in your case.

https://i.imgur.com/MQ4snLZ.png

Very nice :)

[vader]

Very nice :)

we are cousins from similar tribes going back about 4100 years ago, and even further... Mine somehow survived in europe

The survivor: https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z1903/


Probably was a mountain herder.

[happycow]

we are cousins from similar tribes going back about 3900 years ago... Mine somehow survived in europe

That is definitely super cool! Hello cousin! :clapping

[axel.aleman]

Northern African more specifically Egypt

[Jingle Bell]

West Africa, Btw Mauritania, Senegal, Serra Leone etc. . .
But occours in all West Africa, i wonder if its comum in Yorubas and Igbos

[Hulu]

Illyrian for 10 thousand years. I was surprised my matches were that old.

[Annie999]

Northern Italy (R1b-U152), which is exactly where my family was from.

Of course I don't have a Y-DNA myself, but that's the one from my male line.

https://i.redd.it/yefsg3mq6ix11.jpg

[Dušan]

I2a1b-PH908 - very common in Balkans, origin most likely somewhere in Ukraine.

[Kriptc06]

E-V13

Ancient north africa > middle east/anatolia > balkans

https://www.synnott.org/assets/img/5/Ch.5.2%20p14%201Top%20Brown%20Map%20European%20Dis prsion.png

[axel.aleman]

E-V13

Ancient north africa > middle east/anatolia > balkans

https://www.synnott.org/assets/img/5/Ch.5.2%20p14%201Top%20Brown%20Map%20European%20Dis prsion.png

What subclade You have?

[Kriptc06]

What subclade You have?

E-Z5018

[axel.aleman]

E-Z5018

Común en el Sur de España y Sur de Portugal, también en las islas baleares y los Balcanes

[Kriptc06]

Común en el Sur de España y Sur de Portugal, también en las islas baleares y los Balcanes

I will let you guess each one of those mine is

[Dick]

Illyrian for 20 thousand years. I was surprised my matches were that old.

[Eurafricanid]

Northern Italy (R1b-U152), which is exactly where my family was from.

Of course I don't have a Y-DNA myself, but that's the one from my male line.

https://i.redd.it/yefsg3mq6ix11.jpg

Mine's a subclade of this one :thumb001:

[chinshen]

R1b-L23-L277.1 Middle East.

[catgeorge]

All R1b started from Pontic Steppes and Kura Araxes. There is no dispute here.

[HelloGuys]

Berber.

It was first brought to Iberia from North Africa and later to the Americas by spaniard settlers.

My maternal grandfather has the same exact haplogroup and subclades as mine (At least until PF2546) it was a very funny coincidence tho.

[Rædwald]

E U R O P A

I2a1a1b1a1 (I-L233) Probably came to England with Saxon migrations, some samples of migration-era people I've seen from the period have the same YDNA. Came about in the Neolithic? beyond that, I'm not sure.

[kingmob]

Direct Yamnaya lineage (Z2103), the L584 route (BA/IA Armenia, Urartu and BA/IA Hasanlu)

[Defcon2]

West Africa, probably brought during the Muslim era or by Spanish colonists in the reconquest (or both).

[MandM]

2 with upstreams of my HG on reich's paper were found in Bulgaria, so my best guess is Thracian at the moment

[Impaler]

Maykop, Caucasus. Prevalent among Chechens/Ingush and Eastern Georgians (Nakh people).

[Gallop]

Incierto, un misterio a día de hoy se está investigando todavía.

[Lemminkäinen]

It seems to be a mystery. It raised around 5000 years ago in the Southern Scandinvia or Northern Germany. During the Stone Age I2 dominated in western Europe and we have still spots of it here and there, but R1 occupied its areas totally. Now we know that there was a bottle neck of male lineages 5000-7000 ybp. The question still remains unsolved: was the I1 expansion local or was it a part of the eastern steppe migration that replaced I2.

[Grace O'Malley]

Paternal ydna is under M222 which is known as the Niall of the Nine Hostages haplogroup which is more a gimmicky name but that is what made it wellknown.

From FTDNA where it is mostly found.


The R-M222 branch of the Y-DNA tree is defined by a Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) called M222. This diagnostic marker is associated with many individuals whose ancestry lies in the counties of Ulster (Northern Ireland), Northwest Ireland, and Scotland including certain Highland, Lowland, Western and North Eastern counties, and is not restricted to known ancestry in the UK/Ireland region.


Niall Noígíallach was a legendary semi-mythological Irish king who lived during the 4th or 5th century CE. He is credited as the father to sons who sired the Ui Neill dynasty. The 2006 TCD inferences regarding IMH and the Ui Neill dynasty led to assumptions that all men derived for the marker R-M222 were descended from this legendary semi-mythological Irish King. Whether or not Niall's legendary reputation is legitimate or that he was ancestrally responsible for the Ui Neill dynasty has been the subject of historical reviews for several hundred years. The question this project has wrestled with post the TCD publications is whether or not Niall was the progenitor responsible for the R-M222 marker and the descending subclades.
Next generation sequencing efforts have settled the question for us. The haplogroup existed long before Niall. The marker R-M222 sits among a block of at least 23 and more variants considered presently (2019) phylo-equivalent; so described because we do not yet know the order in which these markers mutated. We also do not know where in the order the R-M222 marker is positioned....at the top, middle, bottom of the block etc. Aging estimates suggest that the entire haplogroup known as R-M222 (including this phylo-equivalent block in which the marker sits) may be as old as 4000 or more years before present (ybp).

I've had my brother tested as my father died before I got interested in dna. He's had the Big Y and is also on the yfull tree. Under M222 he is R-S588*

On yfull under this branch they are all Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, some from US, Australia, NZ, South Africa and Canada so all diaspora.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S588/

I'm very pleased to know my father's ydna and also that he is M222. He would have been very happy to have such a strong connection to where he is from.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

According to Wikipedia:

"R-L21 or R1b1a2a1a2c, also known as R-M529 or R-S145, is a Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is often linked to the Celtic peoples, and their migrations into Western Europe, during the Bronze and Iron Ages.

R-L21 is likely a haplogroup belonging to the Celts, whose ancestors (Proto-Indo-Europeans) migrated to Western Europe during the Bronze Age, populating the majority of what is now Ireland, Britain, North-West France (Armorica), and North-West Iberia.

The marker is also found to a lesser extent in the remainder of France, western Switzerland, the Low Countries, northwestern Germany, Norway and Denmark."

[Lemminkäinen]

I want to add that the Finnish I1 branch is about 2500 years old. We have rarely Swedish I1 on the west coast, it covers around 2% of the total amount of I1 in Finland. Finnish and Swedish branches are easily identified and separated. FYI and especially for those who still see wet dreams about Swedish conquerors in Finland.

[Beowulf]

I want to add that the Finnish I1 branch is about 2500 years old. We have rarely Swedish I1 on the west coast, it covers around 2% of the total amount of I1 in Finland. Finnish and Swedish branches are easily identified and separated. FYI and especially for those who still see wet dreams about Swedish conquerors in Finland.

didn't knew that, very interesting

[OrhanU]

E-V13

[Grace O'Malley]

This thread has made me look at FTDNA which has some nice new features. You can look and see if your ydna is connected to anyone well known and of all people it is the founder of the Morman Church Joseph Smith. :) I wonder if that would be beneficial if I ever went to Utah? :p Anyway I find it bizarre that I've got some old connection to Joseph Smith of all people.

The interesting thing is that the Morman Church is so interested in genetic genealogy which is something I'm very interested in.

They have a timeline but I'm not adding that because it pinpoints a specific branch that is only shared with 3 individuals.

All the people listed on this share a connection in the past through my paternal ydna including Daniel Boone and Neil Armstrong. Going to have a closer look at them all now.

https://i.imgur.com/6QG0akp.png

This is Ancient Connections. It's all really fascinating.

https://i.imgur.com/BMhTP3J.png

Never knew about this before so it's well worth testing with FTDNA.

This is so great and I wouldn't have looked if it wasn't for this thread so thank you VikingMallorcaSpain. :thumb001:

https://i.imgur.com/4CQaji4.png

[Beowulf]

Incierto, un misterio a día de hoy se está investigando todavía.

en tu signature pone que es deposible origen Frances, tu apellido paterno tiene alguna similitud con apellidos franceses o al menos la etimologia?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

This thread has made me look at FTDNA which has some nice new features. You can look and see if your ydna is connected to anyone well known and of all people it is the founder of the Morman Church Joseph Smith. :) I wonder if that would be beneficial if I ever went to Utah? :p Anyway I find it bizarre that I've got some old connection to Joseph Smith of all people.

The interesting thing is that the Morman Church is so interested in genetic genealogy which is something I'm very interested in.

They have a timeline but I'm not adding that because it pinpoints a specific branch that is only shared with 3 individuals.

All the people listed on this share a connection in the past through my paternal ydna including Daniel Boone and Neil Armstrong. Going to have a closer look at them all now.


You have the same paternal lineage as I do if I am not mistaken. We share a common paternal line ancestor with Tutankhamun :eek:

[gixajo]

The R1a-Z280 is supposedly Balto-Slavic Ydna, although specifically my branch (YP5000) seems to have its origin in a more central European location, in an area between the Czech Republic and Germany.

How did it end up in the Iberian peninsula? Not even the most remote idea, just in case, I designate myself as a pretender to the throne of the Visigothic kingdom of Spain.

I am already making the plans for my future palace, as well as planning an invasion of North Africa to convert them to Christianity so that they can enjoy without remorse the excellent flavor of Serrano ham and Spanish chorizo.:)

[Grace O'Malley]

You have the same paternal lineage as I do if I am not mistaken. We share a common paternal line ancestor with Tutankhamun :eek:

Yes it is under my notable connections very far back though.

https://i.imgur.com/7tSZidu.png

Yes M222 is under L21. You haven't tested further to find what you are under have you? I think it is worth it as since I got my brother tested there has been a lot of progress and they will keep updating the information. It is expensive initially but I'm glad I did it.

[alexmegas777]

mine is J2a-M92 i have no idea of the origins

[Beowulf]

The R1a-Z280 is supposedly Balto-Slavic Ydna, although specifically my branch (YP5000) seems to have its origin in a more central European location, in an area between the Czech Republic and Germany.

How did it end up in the Iberian peninsula? Not even the most remote idea, just in case, I designate myself as a pretender to the throne of the Visigothic kingdom of Spain.

I am already making the plans for my future palace, as well as planning an invasion of North Africa to convert them to Christianity so that they can enjoy without remorse the excellent flavor of Serrano ham and Spanish chorizo.:)

Yo creo que con mi haplogrupo creare el reino de Vasconia :rolleyes: espero que no intentes conquistar mi reino xD

[gixajo]

Yo creo que con mi haplogrupo creare el reino de Vasconia :rolleyes: espero que no intentes conquistar mi reino xD

Pero el tuyo lo tiene todo el mundo, con el mío hasta el momento no conozco más que a los de mi familia.

Además no existió nunca un reino de Vasconia, aunque me suena un condado o algo así con ese nombre, pero no se sabe bien si existió o no.

Y aunque existiera, fue dominado por los visigodos. (Domuit vascones!!!).

[gixajo]

double

[Beowulf]

Pero el tuyo lo tiene todo el mundo, con el mío hasta el momento no conozco más que a los de mi familia.

Además no existió nunca un reino de Vasconia, aunque me suena un condado o algo así con ese nombre, pero no se sabe bien si existió o no.

Y aunque existiera, fue dominado por los visigodos. (Domuit vascones!!!).

por ahora el mio R-M153 solo e visto que lo tenemos 100 y algo de personas y se que no existio por eso sera un nuevo reino, mi primer apellido es Aragones con origenes Galos hasta lo que yo se, los mas antiguos de mi familia paterna eran de Catalayud y estaban mezclados con franceses aun asi el haplogrupo no es muy comun y su punto mas alto es el pais vasco Francés.

[Gallop]

en tu signature pone que es deposible origen Frances, tu apellido paterno tiene alguna similitud con apellidos franceses o al menos la etimologia?

Es que mi apellido se puede traducir a cualquier idioma, es como si te apellidaras Luna, coche o pepino, podrías traducirlo a cualqueir idioma. Me lo han puesto todo muy difícil; aunque es bastante entretenido y emocionante saber que hay algo...

[Beowulf]

double.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yes it is under my notable connections very far back though.

Yes M222 is under L21. You haven't tested further to find what you are under have you? I think it is worth it as since I got my brother tested there has been a lot of progress and they will keep updating the information. It is expensive initially but I'm glad I did it.

I haven't tested with FTDNA but I did the YSEQ R1b-L21 Superclade Orientation Panel.

R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866

When I search for FGC17866 on FTDNA it shows me this:


https://i.imgur.com/a1kvUAB.png

[Beowulf]

https://imgur.com/a/QaD5lXj

https://imgur.com/a/QaD5lXj

[Jana]

Paternally I'm I2-PH908, which is most common lineage in Serbo-Croatian speakers. It came to Balkans during early medieval with Slavic immigrants from north of Carpathians/eastern Europe. My father's particular branch A5913 is common among Eastern Slavs and west Balkan Slavs.

[gixajo]

R-M207>M173>M420>M459>...>Z282>Z280>YP5000>BY27340

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbxghgK/ftdna-prague.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/3xwfdTgq/ftdna-history-Ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)

[axel.aleman]

I haven't tested with FTDNA but I did the YSEQ R1b-L21 Superclade Orientation Panel.

R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866

When I search for FGC17866 on FTDNA it shows me this:


https://i.imgur.com/a1kvUAB.png

How the Y-SEQ works? I can use 23andMe or ftdna RAW data?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

How the Y-SEQ works? I can use 23andMe or ftdna RAW data?

No, you need to send them a saliva sample.

[Lemminkäinen]

didn't knew that, very interesting

Finnish clade and its age has been known since the first ydna snp research was able to distinguish ydna sub-clades, which happened around 10 years ago. Before that y-str tests gave a hint about it, but were ambiguous. Finnish clade is a parallel clade for a Norwegian one, the distance to Swedish clades is more. The root for both was in Southern Scandinavia 2500-3000 ybp. This root still exists in South Sweden, Germany, Nederlands and UK, but is very rare

[Fortnite777]

GERMANIC U106

[hazmatnik]

E-Y20805.
No idea from where they came, subclade was found among three late Avars in SE Hungary, those guys autosomally looks like mix of Asia and SE Europe.
Maternal granpa belongs to E-BY174450 that one is even more unclear.

[Dick]

The question still remains unsolved: was the I1 expansion local or was it a part of the eastern steppe migration that replaced I2.


The most likely explanation for the replacement of Mesolithic paternal lineages (I and I2) by I1 throughout Scandinavia, including Lapland and Finland, is that the farmers and stock breeders that migrated via the Jutland penninsula were almost exclusively I1 men (with minor Neolithic lineages as well) through a founder effect. In other words, farmers and stock breeders displaced the remining I and I2 hunters which were few in numbers in Scandinavia to begin with. I2 is still continental Europe's largest Mesolithic paternal lineage.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Cetina culture

[kingmob]

FTDNA Discover:

https://i.ibb.co/ssMtXTC/Screenshot-2022-12-14-at-07-51-37-Discover-More-About-Haplogroup-R-FT27409.png

[Lemminkäinen]

The most likely explanation for the replacement of Mesolithic paternal lineages (I and I2) by I1 throughout Scandinavia, including Lapland and Finland, is that the farmers and stock breeders that migrated via the Jutland penninsula were almost exclusively I1 men (with minor Neolithic lineages as well) through a founder effect. In other words, farmers and stock breeders displaced the remining I and I2 hunters which were few in numbers in Scandinavia to begin with. I2 is still continental Europe's largest Mesolithic paternal lineage.

I think you are right. Usually population replacement happens only when the new population has some technological advantage. I1 has however estimated 27000 years age and afaik no one knows where it came from and where lived the Mesolithic era.

The climate in Lapland was not suitable for farmers and stock breeders. Even reindeer herding was adapted very lately from Siberian people, around 1000 ybp or later. Laplanders were hunter-gatherers, although they had more developed society than people use to think. I1 in Lapland is likely due to social interaction. There is still a strong I2 block in Swedish Bothnian, on the west side of the Bothnian Bay. The area was old Saami land to the 15th century.

In Finland the area of oldest Finnish I1 (L287-L258) is in Satakunta, Southwest Finland, where it spread to east, even to Karelia. The most common downstream mutation in Karelia is Z133, dated to 1400ybp. It exists widely also in Southern Ostrobothnia, which was inhabited in the 11th century from Satakunta and Tavastia, the latter called also Upper Satakunta. Karelia was founded in the 8th or 9th century. Karelian language belongs to the downstream branch of Finnish (= Northern Baltic Finnic branch).

Satakunta = Kokemäen kartanon ll

Finnish old castle provinces

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Suomi-linnalaanit.svg/800px-Suomi-linnalaanit.svg.png

[Dick]

I think you are right. Usually population replacement happens only when the new population has some technological advantage. I1 has however estimated 27000 years age and afaik no one knows where it came from and where lived the Mesolithic era.

The climate in Lapland was not suitable for farmers and stock breeders. Even reindeer herding was adapted very lately from Siberian people, around 1000 ybp or later. Laplanders were hunter-gatherers, although they had more developed society than people use to think. I1 in Lapland is likely due to social interaction. There is still a strong I2 block in Swedish Bothnian, on the west side of the Bothnian Bay. The area was old Saami land to the 15th century.

In Finland the area of oldest Finnish I1 (L287-L258) is in Satakunta, Southwest Finland, where it spread to east, even to Karelia. The most common downstream mutation in Karelia is Z133, dated to 1400ybp. It exists widely also in Southern Ostrobothnia, which was inhabited in the 11th century from Satakunta and Tavastia, the latter called also Upper Satakunta. Karelia was founded in the 8th or 9th century. Karelian language belongs to the downstream branch of Finnish (= Northern Baltic Finnic branch).

Satakunta = Kokemäen kartanon ll

Finnish old castle provinces


Yeah, recent I1 in Lapps are from Swedes that had yellow fever.

[hazmatnik]

My little gang got an update, all these spades are Avars from SE Hungary. We are Pan-Balkan gang who surprisingly sticks very well together. We survived all tests of modern hate.

https://i.postimg.cc/nVQMCSsR/Untitled-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NLBQn4km)

[Loki]

E-V13, in my case likely from Roman legionnaire stationed in Germania Inferior, of Balkan origin.

[hazmatnik]

E-V13, in my case likely from Roman legionnaire stationed in Germania Inferior, of Balkan origin.


Be careful, it looks like some E-V13 branches were spread with Germanic people.

[Loki]

Be careful, it looks like some E-V13 branches were spread with Germanic people.

That is possible, of course. One can let your imagination run.

[hazmatnik]

That is possible, of course. One can let your imagination run.

At least in my branch, one thing is for sure. We didn't spread with Slavic invasion, but something more ancient. Could be Germanic invasion, or just natives who were picked up by invaders.

[hazmatnik]

We are getting strange influx of Greek results even in branches which appeared Scandinavian recently on FTDNA. Unfortunatelly most of Greek results don't use YFULL, but diversity of subclades is slowly shifting toward Balkan.

Who we were? And what is connection between Balkan BC and Scandinavia? Celts? Scandinavian bronze age features many artifacts from Greece, is this an answer?

https://i.postimg.cc/VkpFtRkw/Untitled-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4Yvtkpc2)places that are still open near me (https://gasstation-nearme.com/open-24-hours)

[happycow]

R-M207>M173>M420>M459>...>Z282>Z280>YP5000>BY27340

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbxghgK/ftdna-prague.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/3xwfdTgq/ftdna-history-Ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)

these are big y results?

[Norse-Gael]

R-S660 here under R-M222. Somewhere in the Steppe, probably.

[gixajo]

these are big y results?

Yes.

Bad luck for me, few people tested with my branch.

[bc76]

T1a1a1a1 >T-Z709 >T-FGC28652, It shows I share an ancestor with Thomas Jefferson about 6550 BC, and the House of Khalifa in Bahrain about 5850 BC. Probably my ancestor packed up and left with some other group way back there. The majority of my autosomal DNA matches R1b samples (around 68%), then I2, I1, R1a, G, J, N, and E1b, respectively.

[Beowulf]

R-S660 here under R-M222. Somewhere in the Steppe, probably.

R-M222 have origin in Ireland bronze age kinda common in there

put your Y-DNA here:http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

[Hulu]

R-M222 have origin in Ireland bronze age kinda common in there

put your Y-DNA here:http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

First time I see EV13 associated with AngloSaxons.

[Norse-Gael]

Oh yes, ofc. I meant originally?

[Beowulf]

First time I see EV13 associated with AngloSaxons.

i heard sometimes that some germanic people used to have that haplogroup, some theories says tehy were jews but i don't believe on it with that haplo they were still natives Anglo saxons from Jutland and northern germany

[Grace O'Malley]

R-M222 have origin in Ireland bronze age kinda common in there

put your Y-DNA here:http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

Not sure where it originated. There are different opinions. Jean Manco for instance thought it to be a La Tene marker and I've also read that the oldest was in Devon in England. There are also people that think it originated in Ireland and others think it originated in Scotland. It spread in places in Ireland due to the clan nature of Ireland in that the more powerful the man he would have more wives and women so more children. It is why it is common in areas of the Ui Neill and their related tribe the Connachta.

It has been found in the Cotentin and also Norway and there is a Swedish clade. I haven't looked into why it is in those places. Possibly due to Viking activity and the Swedish one could even be due to Irish soldiers during the Wild Geese era. I'm not really sure as I've only seen these things doing some very cursory reading. I haven't looked into it too much. I would even expect a Spaniard might be M222 due to the Irish Wild Geese that served in the Spanish Army in the 1700s and 1800s. I know O'Neill's Regiment was formed in 1709 in Spain.

Look at this for instance. Now that's really interesting. I never knew about this before looking just now.

https://i.imgur.com/dsIBGXP.png


https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/samples.php?searchcolumn=Y_Haplotree_Variant&searchfor=R-M222

[Grace O'Malley]

This is from Jean Manco but there are plenty of theories about M222. This is just her opinion but she wrote some very interesting books such as:

Ancestral Journeys
Blood of the Celts
The Origins of the Anglo-Saxons

https://i.imgur.com/rkfgjLq.png

https://thewaythetruthandthelife.net/index/2_background/2-5_societal/0-000-043-000-bc-to_2-011-ad_2-5-1_peopling-europe/0-000-043-000-bc-to_2-011-ad_2-5-1-12-iron-cimmerian-celt.htm

[Norse-Gael]

This is from Jean Manco but there are plenty of theories about M222. This is just her opinion but she wrote some very interesting books such as:

Ancestral Journeys
Blood of the Celts
The Origins of the Anglo-Saxons

https://i.imgur.com/rkfgjLq.png

https://thewaythetruthandthelife.net/index/2_background/2-5_societal/0-000-043-000-bc-to_2-011-ad_2-5-1_peopling-europe/0-000-043-000-bc-to_2-011-ad_2-5-1-12-iron-cimmerian-celt.htm

Epic stuff, was your father a Dublin man BTW?

[hazmatnik]

My maternal Y, one thing which connect us are bagpipes, i had some professional bagpipers among my ancestors from my maternal side. Bagpipes are my favorite instrument.

https://i.postimg.cc/YSSDQP2h/Untitled-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/nX61J0DJ)

[Grace O'Malley]

Epic stuff, was your father a Dublin man BTW?

No my father was from Co Roscommon.

[Dick]

R-M222 have origin in Ireland bronze age kinda common in there

put your Y-DNA here:http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

So ultimately it's indigenous Balkan in origin and if you go back even further then it's ancient Babylonian.. the real chosen people.


https://i.ibb.co/gJjCtjj/t.png

[Norse-Gael]

So ultimately it's indigenous Balkan in origin and if you go back even further then it's ancient Babylonian.. the real chosen people.


https://i.ibb.co/gJjCtjj/t.png

Could you elaborate please.

[Juan Lacas]

Paternal ydna is under M222 which is known as the Niall of the Nine Hostages haplogroup which is more a gimmicky name but that is what made it wellknown.

From FTDNA where it is mostly found.




I've had my brother tested as my father died before I got interested in dna. He's had the Big Y and is also on the yfull tree. Under M222 he is R-S588*

On yfull under this branch they are all Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, some from US, Australia, NZ, South Africa and Canada so all diaspora.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S588/

I'm very pleased to know my father's ydna and also that he is M222. He would have been very happy to have such a strong connection to where he is from.

I'm M222 todo but in my case my haplogroup is of Breto-Normand origin.

[Dick]

Could you elaborate please.

In a nutshell, My ancestors ate people, specifically neanderthals.

Any time someone tries to use “balkanoid” or “balkaner” as an insult, I am boosted, I become stronger, and the muscle fibers and tribal tendencies grow larger with each seethe.

[Snake_]

Probably Illyrian:



Patterson et al. 2022 study examined 18 samples from the Middle Bronze Age up to Early Iron Age Croatia, which was part of Illyria. Out of the nine Y-DNA samples retrieved, which coincide with the historical territory where Illyrians lived (including tested Iapydes and Liburni sites), almost all belonged to the patrilineal line J2b2a1-L283 (>J-PH1602 > J-Y86930 and >J-Z1297 subclades) with the exception of one R1b-L2. The mtDNA haplogroups fell under various subclades of H, H1, H3b, H5, J1c2, J1c3, T2a1a, T2b, T2b23, U5a1g, U8b1b1, HV0e. In a three-way admixture model, they approximately had 49-59% EEF, 35-46% Steppe and 2-10% WHG-related ancestry.[38] In Lazaridis et al. (2022) key parts of the territory of historical territory of Illyria were tested. In 18 samples from the Cetina culture, all males except for one (R-L51 > Z2118) carried Y-DNA haplogroup J-L283. Many of them could be further identified as J-L283 > Z597 (> J-Y15058 > J-Z38240 > J-PH1602). The majority of individuals carried mtDNA haplogroups J1c1 and H6a1a. The related Posušje culture yielded the same Y-DNA haplogroup (J-L283 > J-Z38240). The same J-L283 population appears in the MBA-IA Velim Kosa tumuli of Liburni in Croatia (J-PH1602), and similar in LBA-IA Velika Gruda tumuli in Montenegro (J-Z2507 > J-Z1297 > J-Y21878). The oldest J-L283 (> J-Z597) sample in the study was found in MBA Shkrel, northern Albania as early as the 19th century BCE. In northern Albania, IA Çinamak, half of them men carried J-L283 (> J-Z622, J-Y21878) and the other half R-M269 (R-CTS1450, R-PF7563). The oldest sample in Çinamak dates to the first era of post-Yamnaya movements (EBA) and carries R-M269.[39]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians#Archaeogenetics

[tipirneni]

https://i.ibb.co/b6LmNfy/H-haplo-dna-migra.png

F -> GHIJK -> HIJK -> H -> H1, H2, H3 -> H1a1a (H-M82) -> H-SK1225 -> H-Z5885 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z12533 -> H-Z5890 -> H-Z34522

More than 38kya of evolution spread into numerous branches all over South Asia, some in Central Asia, West Asia, SE Asia and Neolithic branches in Europe and Romas

The H haplogroup seems to be Mesolithic expansion in South Asia and Neolithic in West Asia and Europe and Bronze Age expansion back into South Asia

H-Z5890 seems to be recent Bronze age expansion into ports of South Asia, MENA and SE Asia following trading

[Rafael Passoni]

My paternal great-great-grandfather had two Italian surnames, his paternal surname peaks in Tuscany ( were i got my R1B-L2 Y Haplogroup), his mother surname peaks in Veneto, but it seens of Sicilian origin.
From my mom's side, the surname is from Lombardy, the haplogroup I need to ask to my cousin.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Depends on the time period.
Came from the balkans or sardinia originally with a very high likelyhood. Arrived in spain sometime later and then to Dominican Republic most likely

[happycow]

My ydna on ftdna haplotree. What exactly am I looking at? :) Can someone explains? :)

https://i.imgur.com/MwBBFp9.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm M222 todo but in my case my haplogroup is of Breto-Normand origin.

That's very interesting and I wonder how it ended up there? I know some was found in the Cotentin.

[Flashball]

I'm YF114365 on Yfull

My paternal Y subclade R-FT288677 come from Northern France
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT288677/

[ScandinavianCelt]

My male bloodline is R-M167, and apparently more specifcally R-Z201.

Haplogroup R-M167 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a1b1a1) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subdivision of Haplogroup R-DF27 and the wider haplogroup R-M269 (more specifically, its subclade R-) defined by the presence of the marker SRY2627. It arose comparatively recently, after the beginning of the European Bronze Age, and is mostly prevalent in the population of the Pyrenees region.

It's grandfather, R-DF27 appeared roughly 6-700 yrs before in Basque territories (4200 ybp). I found this interesting abstract on R-DF27:

"Haplogroup R1b-M269 comprises most Western European Y chromosomes; of its main branches, R1b-DF27 is by far the least known, and it appears to be highly prevalent only in Iberia. We have genotyped 1072 R1b-DF27 chromosomes for six additional SNPs and 17 Y-STRs in population samples from Spain, Portugal and France in order to further characterize this lineage and, in particular, to ascertain the time and place where it originated, as well as its subsequent dynamics. We found that R1b-DF27 is present in frequencies ~40% in Iberian populations and up to 70% in Basques, but it drops quickly to 6–20% in France. Overall, the age of R1b-DF27 is estimated at ~4,200 years ago, at the transition between the Neolithic and the Bronze Age, when the Y chromosome landscape of W Europe was thoroughly remodeled. In spite of its high frequency in Basques, Y-STR internal diversity of R1b-DF27 is lower there, and results in more recent age estimates; NE Iberia is the most likely place of origin of DF27. Subhaplogroup frequencies within R1b-DF27 are geographically structured, and show domains that are reminiscent of the pre-Roman Celtic/Iberian division, or of the medieval Christian kingdoms." (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07710-x)

From my personal research in my own DNA on that branch of my family, I would say these ancient Spanish genetics made there way into southern France (and eventually Normandy) roughly 2200 yrs ago. I get mixed results with different calculators on the percentages of Basque vs French in various time periods, but typically it's far more French Basque than just French on the more ancient tests. My male bloodline moved to Quebec in 1636.

I do not know my Mom's Dad's haplogroup, but he was born in Gotland, Sweden and appears fully Swedish on all but one line that went back to Iceland around 400 yrs ago. His wife, my grandma, also fully Swedish, has large percentages of Norwegian DNA she knew nothing about her entire life-- and is now deceased. Her parents are from SW Sweden closer to Oslo and Gothenberg. I'm guessing my grandpa's line is typical L1a, but it might run back into something else through mesolithic Ukrainian men. I'm trying to get my cousin to find out (his FF is my MF).

Thanks for reading.

Have a wonderful day.

[gixajo]

https://i.postimg.cc/gJDXF52D/By27340b.png (https://postimg.cc/vg4H509g)

[Figaro]

Never tested for the deeper subclade...likely West Slavic, given my paternal line’s origin in NE Germany.

I wish I knew what haplogroup represents my mother’s paternal side, but am yet to run into a close enough male relative of hers from that part of her family.

[Dick]

https://i.postimg.cc/gJDXF52D/By27340b.png (https://postimg.cc/vg4H509g)

Russia?

[happycow]

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/G-Z6032/story

19 people from Sardinia share my Y-DNA. Very cool :cool:

[Dick]

Maga country


https://i.imgur.com/NQrKJGu.png
https://i.imgur.com/YXe66HZ.png



https://youtu.be/8ydMD9Q8ock

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/qv0jH0sC/download-1.png

Pure Mesolithic Doggerlander

[Mortimer]

I was told it is "Vasojevic" a Montenegrin-Clan, I do not know if that is something like a family or what a "Clan" is.

Zdravo Svetozare,

Da, administartori ukljucujuci tu i mene mogu da vide tvoje rezultate.

Tvoj rezultat ukazuje na poreklo od Vasojevića po muskoj liniji. Sa aspekta genetike takav zakljucak o vasojevickom poreklu je verovatno maksimum koji se moze izvuci na osnovu raspolozivog rezultata. Konkretno radi se o grani E-V13>PH1246>BY14151. Usudio bih se da kazem da ovo saznanje o pripadnosti odredjenom plemenu i Y-DNK grani samo po sebi nije mala stvar.

Sa aspekta istorije tvojih relativno bliskih predaka u smislu moguce rekonstrukcije migracija, tvoj raspolozivi rezultat ukljucujuci tu i (ne)poznavanje strukture Y-DNK unutar plemena Vasojevica, na zalost ne govori mnogo. U tom smislu mogu da te uputim na ove linkove gde mozda mozes da nadjes dodatne informacije:

https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/04/07/rod-vasojevica/
https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=390.0

U buducnosti nakon sto pripadnici ovog plemena budu uradili detaljnije testove kao sto su Big-Y ili WGS izvesno cemo doci do novih saznanje o strukturi Y-DNK unutar plemena pa ce to verovatno biti zanimljivi i za tebe. Ipak pitanje je da li ce se to desiti za nekoliko meseci ili nekoliko godina. Videcemo.

Na kraju bih rekao da ja ne spadam u najbolje poznavaoce crnogorskih plemena ukljucujuci tu i Vasojevice pa ako budes imao jos nedoumica verovatno je najbolje da ih izneses na forumu ciji sam link dao iznad.


Pozdrav,
Branislav


Hello Svetozar,

Yes, administrators including myself can see your results.

Your result indicates descent from Vasojević through the male line. From the point of view of genetics, such a conclusion about Vasojevica origin is probably the maximum that can be drawn based on the available results. Specifically, it is the branch E-V13>PH1246>BY14151. I would venture to say that this knowledge of belonging to a particular tribe and Y-DNA branch is no small matter in itself.

From the aspect of the history of your relatively close ancestors in terms of a possible reconstruction of migrations, your available result, including the (un)knowledge of the Y-DNA structure within the Vasojevica tribe, unfortunately does not say much. In this sense, I can refer you to these links where you may be able to find additional information:

https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/04/07/rod-vasojevica/
https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=390.0

In the future, after the members of this tribe have done more detailed tests such as Big-Y or WGS, we will certainly get new information about the Y-DNA structure within the tribe, so it will probably be interesting for you as well. However, the question is whether it will happen in a few months or a few years. We'll see.

In the end, I would say that I am not one of the best connoisseurs of Montenegrin tribes, including Vasojevica, so if you have any doubts, it is probably best to raise them on the forum whose link I gave above.


Greeting,
Branislav

[Rafael Passoni]

Based on MyHeritage Raw data and
acording to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ is L2/S139/MF656651+


My father's raw data.
Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-L2 Link to R-L2 on YFull View heatmap on Y Heatmap View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

R-L2 L2/S139/MF656651+
┣━R-A197 +1 A197($) A7393($) FGC5286($) FGC5288(?) FGC5292(?) FGC5293(?) FGC5294(?) FGC5295($) FGC5297($) FGC5298(?) FGC5300($) FGC5301($) FGC5302($) FGC5303($) FGC5304(?) FGC5307($) FGC5309($) FGC5311($) FGC5312($) FGC5313($) FGC5314($) FGC5316($) FGC5321($) FGC5324($) Y21273($) Y21274($) Y21275(?) Y29079(?) YFS071059/Y20430($)
┣━R-A19725 +2 A19718(?) A19725($) FT166343(?) FT166395(?) FT166609(?) FT166803(?) Y270686(?) Y334251(?)
┣━R-A6454 +2 A6454($) A6455/BY761($) FT49502(?) FT51550(?) Y22311/BY732(?)
┣━R-BY118486 +1 BY118486(?)
┣━R-BY168917 +1 BY168917(?) BY220615(?) FT359909(?)
┣━R-BY2823 +2 A12408(?) A12409($) BY198822(?) BY2823($) BY2824($) BY2825($) BY2826(?) BY3488($) BY3502($) FT61120($)
┣━R-BY3477 +1 BY31095(?) BY3477(?) BY3486($) FT24727(?) Y167259(?)
┣━R-BY3483 +1 BY2895(?) BY31105/Y89103(?) BY31123/Y94567($) BY31158/Y111293(?) BY3483($) BY3514(?) FT166404(?)
┣━R-BY39332 BY39332(?) Y263206(?) Y90350($)
┣━R-DF90 +4 DF90/BY841($) FGC29428(?) FGC29430($) FGC29431(?) FGC29432($) FGC29433($) FGC29434(?) FGC29437(?) FGC59693(?) Y12051/FGC14641($)
┣━R-FGC11577 FGC11577(?) FGC11579(?) FGC11587(?) FGC11594(?) FGC11595($) FGC11596($) FGC11597($) FGC11599(?) FGC11606($) FGC11614(?) FGC11615($) FGC11618(?) Y19553(?)
┣━R-FGC22501 +2 FGC22501(?)
┣━R-FGC5354 MF70677(?) Y36465/FGC5338($) Y36466/FGC5354($) Y36467/FGC5356($) Y36468/FGC5367($)
┣━R-FT157630 FT155656(?) FT155731(?) FT156009(?) FT156104(?) FT156309($) FT156326(?) FT156504($) FT156673($) FT156685($) FT156770(?) FT157103(?) FT157215(?) FT157379(?) FT157437(?) FT157496(?) FT157630(?) FT157713(?) FT157820($) FT157899(?) FT157929(?) FT158041(?) FT158177(?) FT158239(?) FT158266(?) FT158335(?) FT19622(?) FT458144(?) Y152992/BY159906(?) Y201754(?) Y201836(?) Y201839(?) Y201852(?) Y262339(?) Y63813(?)
┣━R-FT7270 A6483(?) BY27741(?) BY39301(?) FGC1064(?) FT6763($) FT7270(?) Y103286(?) Y107473(?) Y108414(?) Y110684(?) Y86601(?) Y87371(?) Y87589($) Y88009(?) Y88547(?) Y89268(?) Y90631($) Y91063(?) Y95936(?) Y96146(?) Y97313(?) Y98737(?) Y98939($)
┣━R-FTA2489 +2 FTA2489(?)
┣━R-S14469 +2 S14469/FGC4183($)
┣━R-Y11667 +1 FT16936(?) Y11667($)
┣━R-Y11932 +1 BY57588(?) BY77633(?) FT27786(?) FT28074(?) FT28187(?) FT29065($) FT29315(?) FT29760(?) FT301387(?) FT31006(?) FT31847(?) FT390316(?) FT390749(?) MF604298(?) PH1374(?) S1567(?) S1569/V5998($) S1570($) V5133/Y11934(?) V5488/S1561- V6521/S1573(?) Y11931(?) Y11932(?) Y11933/PH3622(?) Y11935(?) Y19909(?) Y19912(?) Y19915($) Y38286(?)
┣━R-Y186860 FT255509(?) FT255938(?) FT256056(?) FT256076(?) FT256587(?) MF44535(?) MF655132(?) Y186690/FT257008($) Y186714/FT256918(?) Y186752/FT256304(?) Y186809(?) Y186814/FT256840(?) Y186860/FT257399(?) Y186884/FT257027(?) Y186902/FT256754(?) Y186912/FT256977($) Y186948(?) Y186965/FT256772(?) Y187064(?) Z26691($) Z44639/Y24128(?)
┣━R-Y187919 +1 FGC53559(?) FT191711(?) FT58110($) Y187919($) Y187935(?) Y187999(?) Y188053(?) Y188141($) Y188206(?) Y188239(?) Y188430(?) Y263781(?) Y263782(?) Y331922(?) Y331923(?) Y331924(?) Y331925(?) Y331926(?) Y331927(?) Y331928(?) Y331929(?) Y331930(?) Y331940(?) Y331992(?) Y331999(?) Z29966(?) Z29969(?) Z29970($) Z29973(?) Z29974(?) Z29975($) Z29979($) Z29980($)
┣━R-Y22151 +1 BY3508($) BY3509(?) FT1455(?) FT1902(?) FT2191(?) Y150914(?) Y22151(?) Y22152($) Y22153(?) Y22692/BY1185(?) Y22693/BY1814(?) Y22694(?) Y22695/BY1785(?)
┣━R-Y22192 +1 FGC63186/BY14170/Y31606(?) FT28197(?) Y125249(?) Y22188(?) Y22191(?) Y22192(?) Y22194(?) Y22928(?) Y22929(?)
┣━R-Y38089 +1 Y38089($) Y38090(?)
┣━R-Y3961 +3 Y3961(?) Y3962/DF110($)
┣━R-Y61958 Y61135($) Y61958($) Y63064($) Y63111(?) Y63773(?) Y64123(?) Y65177(?) Y65610(?) Y65957(?) Y67641(?) Y68687(?) Y69945(?) Y72084(?) Y73574(?) Y74240(?) Y77153(?) Y77939/PR7031(?) Y80330(?)
┣━R-Y84137 Y84137($)
┣━R-Z258 +2 Z258/S372(?) Z367/S255($)
┗━R-Z49 +7 Z49($) Z68/S485($)

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Next best prediction (scored 344 compared to 345) R-U152 Tracing back my ancestry it belonged to my great-great-grandfather, of Italian origin, as far back I could go. I don't know if it is in line with my family tree story.

: https://www.phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php?newlookup=R-L2

Morley says: R1b1a2a1a2b1 [R1b-L2] (https://ytree.morleydna.com)

[Ironguard]

R1b-U152>Z56>S47>Z48>Z44 with a terminal SNP of CTS8949*
German paternal ancestry but unsure where.

S47 has a somewhat mysterious origin. Unsure whether the Upper Rhine/Danube, North Italy, or Southeast France was its point of origin. Z44>CTS8949 is found in a few Spanish, Italian, a British cluster from Northwest England and Scotland... and most recently myself (Lindeman) and a family of people with the Schrader surname who we share a common ancestor with going back to Germany sometime during the Middle Ages or Rennaisance most likely.

Celts, Italics, Ligurians, Etruscans, Romans, Iberians... we aren't quite sure at this point. Roman soldiers or auxiliaries? Roman troops or colonists in Germany near the Rhine or Danube?

[AbeTheBabe]

J2b2 - L283, Venetic or Illyrian origin ( most likely Liburni ); my father comes from the island of Veglia / Krk, north Croatia.

[Defcon2]

Of Yoruba origin, probably from an Islamized slave called Mahamadou, during the Andalusian period. A Castilian woman from a remote village decided to "try her luck" in a sheep pasture with that guy producing offspring and the result of such a worthy action is me.

The alternative is less beautiful... it includes forced relationships.

[true_southron]

Mesolithic European

[Nurzat]

Of Yoruba origin, probably from an Islamized slave called Mahamadou, during the Andalusian period. A Castilian woman from a remote village decided to "try her luck" in a sheep pasture with that guy producing offspring and the result of such a worthy action is me.

The alternative is less beautiful... it includes forced relationships.

I've got a possibly Jewish YDNA hg (J-L210) on same conditions, though nothing Jewish left as autosomal, so who knows if that encounter was consensual

[Ugo]

Of Yoruba origin, probably from an Islamized slave called Mahamadou, during the Andalusian period. A Castilian woman from a remote village decided to "try her luck" in a sheep pasture with that guy producing offspring and the result of such a worthy action is me.

The alternative is less beautiful... it includes forced relationships.Buddy, we know that the Spaniards have some Negroid heritage. But why did you change your identity? Do you think it’s time for all Spaniards to be officially considered Negroids?

[Gallop]

https://i.postimg.cc/NMgD9Pq3/DNAYev22400ce.jpg

It's giving me the entrance of my hapogroup DNA Y into Spain in the year 400 CE

Isn't that the date when the Visigoths invaded?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/400

[Boudin]

In this post (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373801-R-Z16539&p=7835536&viewfull=1#post7835536) I traced my R-Z16539 back to 1600s central France (Châtres-sur-Cher), but don't know much else about it.

[Abti]

I believe it went something like this. Maykop (Caucasus) — Early Transcaucasian Culture (Kura-Araxes) — South Arabia (Sabaean). Most recent ancient relative was an Armenian with a shared clade of mine.

[Kess]

https://i.postimg.cc/NMgD9Pq3/DNAYev22400ce.jpg

It's giving me the entrance of my hapogroup DNA Y into Spain in the year 400 CE

Isn't that the date when the Visigoths invaded?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/400

Your Y-DNA does not seem to have a clear Germanic origin.

[HectorOfTroy]

I'm not really not sure at all if mine came from British Isles to Spain, or Central Europe to Spain. R-S939, have seen conflicting evidence/links.

[Abti]

I'm not really not sure at all if mine came from British Isles to Spain, or Central Europe to Spain. R-S939, have seen conflicting evidence/links.

Perhaps the origin is a Hibernian admixed Iberian.

[HectorOfTroy]

Perhaps the origin is a Hibernian admixed Iberian.

Hopefully not Briton. Romans said those guys were short and lived in a matriarchy :censored

[Abti]

Hopefully not Briton. Romans said those guys were short and lived in a matriarchy :censored :censored

Shameful.

[Feiichy]

Slavic

[Katarzyna]

Mine is also Slavic (I2a1)

[HectorOfTroy]

Shameful.

Probably not. I checked on Wikipedia and my subclade does not descend from the Briton one. I heard they found some remains in the British Isles like thousands of years old although they were determined to be Iberians and not Britons because their DNA was not exactly the same (some other clade of R1b L21 or something) and also the taller stature (Atlanto-Meds are tall, Britons are like Gracile Meds I think)

[PaulieVanZant]

Presumably Anglo-Saxon.

[HectorOfTroy]

Slavic

Which one is it of your male family members?

[Feiichy]

Which one is it of your male family members?

Father's.

[HectorOfTroy]

Father's.

No I mean like what is the haplo? i.e. I2, E, R1a, etc?

[Feiichy]

No I mean like what is the haplo? i.e. I2, E, R1a, etc?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A5913/

[Luke35]

Originally Baltic, but a bunch of Polish people (and me) have now claimed it and we ain't giving back to those Balts.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y17696/

[tk'es]

something like this



https://i.ibb.co/1Q9LpBC/europe.jpg

[Katarzyna]

Originally Baltic, but a bunch of Polish people (and me) have now claimed it and we ain't giving back to those Balts.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y17696/

Really? There are poles out there who got yellow haplogroups?

[HectorOfTroy]

https://www.yfull.com/tree/r-df13/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2189/ < Mine (S939 clade)

Apparently I share origins with Insular Celts Y-DNA wise. Although my specific subclade is only found really in Iberians or Iberian descendants these days. Probably a Hibernian migrant that settled in Spain was my great ancestor. (Maybe predating Celts)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5RiiWsMfEM&ab_channel=XXACEOFSPADESXX


It is often linked to the Insular Celts.[1] One subclade, R-DF13 comprises over 99% of bearers. It is dominant among males in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany, present in high frequencies in England and western France and present also to a lesser extent in Iberia, Scandinavia and the Low Countries.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R-L21
So actually it's unclear if it's Briton or not, but I hope not. The Cornish/South West Britain one is R-DF63 which is the most common one there, which is a different clade from mine.

[Luke35]

Really? There are poles out there who got yellow haplogroups?

Read it and weep Kasia:

https://i.imgur.com/1ZlJwo1.png

[Katarzyna]

Read it and weep Kasia:

https://i.imgur.com/1ZlJwo1.png

Holy shit! Thanks, probably I need to avoid polish men then. But apparently majority of polish girls don’t really mind East Asian since a lot of them are into kpop and Chinese martial arts.
A week ago a former Chinese classmate got married to a Polish. His exes were also all Polish and Ukrainian and he also asked me out …
Nope thanks! The closest to yellow I would go for is R1a or b. But I actually prefer it on the more basal side like G or I. :)

[Gergő Marosvári]

Based on this FTDNA report and map, Southeastern Poland.

https://i.postimg.cc/L4vMjH8X/image.png

[Luke35]

Holy shit! Thanks, probably I need to avoid polish men then. But apparently majority of polish girls don’t really mind East Asian since a lot of them are into kpop and Chinese martial arts.
A week ago a former Chinese classmate got married to a Polish. His exes were also all Polish and Ukrainian and he also asked me out …
Nope thanks! The closest to yellow I would go for is R1a or b. But I actually prefer it on the more basal side like G or I. :)

You to do you, Kasia ;)

[Abti]

something like this



https://i.ibb.co/1Q9LpBC/europe.jpg

Same here brother.

[Abti]

Really? There are poles out there who got yellow haplogroups?

"Yellow haplogroups" are now in my vocabulary. :D

[Impaler]

something like this



https://i.ibb.co/1Q9LpBC/europe.jpg

Same, I am J2a-M67.

[MCMXCV]

Based on this FTDNA report and map, Southeastern Poland.

https://i.postimg.cc/L4vMjH8X/image.png

Cannot wait to get this report. I should already have it, but my sample failed quality control and have to wait all over again. :(

[tk'es]

Same, I am J2a-M67.





you, me and abti are j2a bros from the other parts of the world

[Katarzyna]

I think testing haplogroup should be mandatory for everyone in this world and it should be part of your personal information and be written on ID cards
I mean haplogroup with exact clade

[Abti]

you, me and abti are j2a bros from the other parts of the world

We are the downstream clade CTS900 bros :D

[Abti]

I think testing haplogroup should be mandatory for everyone in this world and it should be part of your personal information and be written on ID cards
I mean haplogroup with exact clade

Haplo tinder.

[Kess]

I am waiting for my results, but there are five big candidates for my haplogroup:

J2
E-V13
R1A
G1
R1B

I'm pretty sure one of the above is my haplogroup. I will update this thread. Biggest candidate is J2.

[Katarzyna]

Haplo tinder.

Yes someone should code a website like that where women should give their mtdna and be matched with a fitting Y haplogroup guy. For example I don’t think it’s a good idea when I as a haplo-wog with mtDNA HV->V, and WHG-based paternal Y-group: I2a1 go for an ANE based Y group such as R1 or N.
I asked a certified astrologer and he confirmed it.

[Abti]

Yes someone should code a website like that where women should give their mtdna and be matched with a fitting Y haplogroup guy. For example I don’t think it’s a good idea when I as a haplo-wog with mtDNA HV->V, and WHG-based paternal Y-group: I2a1 go for an ANE based Y group such as R1 or N.
I asked a certified astrologer and he confirmed it.

"Hi my name is Abti and I am a J2 man looking for H or V.

L or M women not getting touched with a 10 foot pole"

:D

[HectorOfTroy]

I as a haplo-wog with mtDNA HV->V, and WHG-based paternal Y-group: I2a1 go for an ANE based Y group such as R1 or N.

if N is ANE then Q is definitley. What about Q boys? They have the highest ANE of any living population by far (43% avg in some, Euros are like 18% avg, maybe low 20s for the most ANE shifted ones).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Cacique_Mulato.JPG/220px-Cacique_Mulato.JPG
https://www.skorpios.cl/wp-content/uploads/glaciares-709x400.jpg

[sacha]

Yes someone should code a website like that where women should give their mtdna and be matched with a fitting Y haplogroup guy. For example I don’t think it’s a good idea when I as a haplo-wog with mtDNA HV->V, and WHG-based paternal Y-group: I2a1 go for an ANE based Y group such as R1 or N.
I asked a certified astrologer and he confirmed it.

If you are a mtdna haplo-wog does that make me a mtdna haplo-white :eusa_doh:

[HectorOfTroy]

If you are a mtdna haplo-wog does that make me a mtdna haplo-white :eusa_doh:

What? mtDNA J is super woggy. Hows it more whiter/europid than HV, the majority of your mitochondrial holders live in the Middle East.

[sacha]

What? mtDNA J is super woggy. Hows it whiter than HV, the majority of your mitochondrial holders live in the Middle East.

My mtDNA is H4a...

[HectorOfTroy]

Oops. Why do you have 2 listed on there?

[Abti]

if N is ANE then Q is definitley. What about Q boys?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Cacique_Mulato.JPG/220px-Cacique_Mulato.JPG
https://www.skorpios.cl/wp-content/uploads/glaciares-709x400.jpg

Q men should stay Quite

[sacha]

Oops. Why do you have 2 listed on there?

Haha, don't worry 7abibi I have made that mistake too. the ones with (P) next to them are my father's; I did not inherit his Y-DNA or mtDNA, but since I got him tested I figured I would put them as well, since those are still part of my lineage even if I do not actually carry them. We are mtDNA related on my dad's side in that way.

[HectorOfTroy]

Q men should stay Quite

Apparently it's a stereotype that Native American men don't say much, although for Andeans it's true.

[Abti]

Apparently it's a stereotype that Native American men don't say much, although for Andeans it's true.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Katarzyna]

if N is ANE then Q is definitley. What about Q boys? They have the highest ANE of any living population by far (43% avg in some, Euros are like 18% avg, maybe low 20s for the most ANE shifted ones).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Cacique_Mulato.JPG/220px-Cacique_Mulato.JPG
https://www.skorpios.cl/wp-content/uploads/glaciares-709x400.jpg

I fully agree with you and Q guys aren’t on my radar either. But luckily you won’t find them in Europe so I don’t have to think about them how to eliminate them.

N and Q are NQ= not qualified

[HectorOfTroy]

I fully agree with you and Q guys aren’t on my radar either. But luckily you won’t find them in Europe so I don’t have to think about them how to eliminate them.

N and Q are NQ= not qualified

Nah N is very asiatic, Q and R are Eurasian haplo-bros, literally sibling haplos like I and J. N is the outlier of the 3.

[Leto]

Nah N is very asiatic, Q and R are Eurasian haplo-bros, literally sibling haplos like I and J. N is the outlier of the 3.
Some of the lightest people on Earth are N. Finns, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, some East Slavs. Q is a lot more exotic in Europe because no nation has it in a double-digit amount.

[HectorOfTroy]

Some of the lightest people on Earth are N. Finns, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, some East Slavs. Q is a lot more exotic in Europe because no nation has it in a double-digit amount.

Pigmentation means almost nothing compared to the other physical cues.

[Leto]

Pigmentation means almost nothing compared to the other physical cues.
Sure it does a lot more than the haplogroups. Otherwise an 80% SSA black American is somehow white just because he has a Celtic haplogroup.

[HectorOfTroy]

...

[HectorOfTroy]

Sure it does a lot more than the haplogroups. Otherwise an 80% SSA black American is somehow white just because he has a Celtic haplogroup.

Pigmentation is not exclusive to a certain group. Seriously, how many genes are there that control melanin amount? Think about that. Otherwise your palest Chinese is far more European than a guy like Slavko Vranes. Even the brownest Dravidian or MENA will still be far closer to a European than any North East Asian. It's a trait highly susceptible to convergent evolution. Atleast with haplos they can definitley be traced to a particular group.

[mashail]

R-M207 most likely R2 haplogroup originated somewhere around central or South Asia.

[Abti]

R-M207 most likely R2 haplogroup originated somewhere around central or South Asia.

R-M207 is R.

[Grace O'Malley]

What? mtDNA J is super woggy. Hows it more whiter/europid than HV, the majority of your mitochondrial holders live in the Middle East.

I'm J1c3f1*. J1c has been found in Corded Ware and also Globular Amphora anyway it's been in Europe for many thousands of years. I'm highlighted in yellow on here.

https://i.imgur.com/HxINqhI.png

https://www.yfull.com/mtree/J1c3f/

My exact matches and 1 step matches. None are Middle Eastern.
https://i.imgur.com/psZxEed.png

It is pretty ancient in Europe even if it did originate in West Asia.


Haplogroup J has been found in Bronze Age samples from the Yamna culture (J2b), Corded Ware culture (J1c and J2b1a), the Catacomb culture (J1b1a1), the Unetice culture (J1b1a1), and the Urnfield culture (J1b1), all in Central Europe. The Corded Ware culture is associated with the expansion of Y-haplogroup R1a from the northern Russian steppe, and in light of the continuity with Neolithic samples from Central Europe it can be assumed that J1c and J2b1a maternal lineages were not brought by the newcomers, but absorbed by the male invaders.


https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J_mtDNA.shtml

[Grace O'Malley]

Ydna migration map from brother's results.

https://i.imgur.com/RdmdaKH.png

[Katarzyna]

Pigmentation means almost nothing compared to the other physical cues.

Agree! There are all kinds of depigmented people. In Mongolia and northern Asia you will find blonde people with blue eyes but having East Asian features. That doesn’t make them white. And in middle east you will find blonde people with blue eyes but with middle eastern features (Iranian Nordid, Nordo-Levantine etc) , doesn’t make them white in Europe sense either.

[mashail]

R-M207 is R.

It’s R-FGC13219.

[Katarzyna]

What would happen if all R1 men go back to the steppe?

[PaulieVanZant]

What would happen if all R1 men go back to the steppe?

The steppe would become an industrial and cultural powerhouse within a few decades and Europe will collapse, since l men are just too few in numbers to be able to keep the whole thing working on their own.

[mashail]

Do u guys know that according to FTDNA R-M207 earliest ancestor was from East Russia/ north magnolia.
Does That means we were Asians/mongoliod before mixing with caucasiods in Middle East :confused:

[Dick]

A funny article from 2014...I wish it were true.


The haplogroup I1 gene has unique characteristics unlike any other gene, and geneticists are baffled by it.



According to Paranormics.com some of the anomalies found in human hybrids with this strain of alien DNA include: toleration of extreme climates, exceptional strength and height, atheists mentality with no belief in God, intelligent, 100% literacy rate, great memory, speaks many languages, and limited sun exposure. This is a sign that this is likely Nephilim in nature, because they are known to hate God and have a giant stature in ancient times.

https://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/06/geneticists-are-spell-bound-by-discovery-of-dna-that-confirms-fallen-angels-mated-with-humans-stunning-videos-2462290.html

[Katarzyna]

Do u guys know that according to FTDNA R-M207 earliest ancestor was from East Russia/ north magnolia.
Does That means we were Asians/mongoliod before mixing with caucasiods in Middle East :confused:

No, that’s a common misconception. When we think of Central Asia, we think of the ethnicities today. But back in the days when the yamnaya expanded westwards 5000 years ago people there looked caucasoid. R1 is not East Asian but Eurasian. Those central Asians and Chinese who carry R1 clades nowadays have it because of their partial caucasoid ancestry, not from the East Asian one who carry N, O etc

[mashail]

No, that’s a common misconception. When we think of Central Asia, we think of the ethnicities today. But back in the days when the yamnaya expanded westwards 5000 years ago people there looked caucasoid. R1 is not East Asian but Eurasian. Those central Asians and Chinese who carry R1 clades nowadays have it because of their partial caucasoid ancestry, not from the East Asian one who carry N, O etc
U make so much sense bc if R-M207 was really mongoliod and later mixed with caucasiods we would look like modern Turkic central Asians.

[Abti]

What would happen if all R1 men go back to the steppe?
All you can eat Sharwarma.

[majevica]

https://imgur.com/fLHBy2d.jpg

[Dick]

Thanks for reminding me about that website, majevica

https://i.imgur.com/rY0hFjQ.png

[PaulieVanZant]

Thanks for reminding me about that website, majevica

And which site might this be, Dicky?

[Dick]

And which site might this be, Dicky?


This one, Pauly

https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

[HectorOfTroy]

What would happen if all R1 men go back to the steppe?

The OGD (Off German Disorder) Murrikans like ScytheOfGod (and his socks) would be need to be placed on psychiatric watch.

[sacha]

The OGD (Off German Disorder) Murrikans like ScytheOfGod (and his socks) would be need to be placed on psychiatric watch.

I just do not understand this obsession with 'Aryanism' and 'steppe descent' when the majority of people who spent the time to become fanatics about it this would not survive a day there :picard1: You are not a great warrior conquerer, you are an obese American who is like 1/8 German. It is good to look into this history and it is interesting but when everything is above it, that's when it gets weird

[Flashball]

Don't know, this is my haplogroup:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y420629/

R-U106 > R-Z19 > R-FGC79182 (R-Z18) > R-ZP87 (R-Z17) > R-BY18864 > R-FT287755 > R-FT288677 > R-FTA85250 > R-Y420629 (me)

[Nurzat]

supposedly Ukrainian Ashkenazi and by yfull lists it seems to be found exclusively among Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian-Polish Ashkenazim, with strays in Hungary and Germany. also, it's Rothschild-related xD

[Abti]

https://i.imgur.com/jqv7tlw.jpg

[PaulieVanZant]

Thamks, Dicky!

https://i.ibb.co/BgZJ2G7/123.png (https://ibb.co/FBw14Xf)
https://i.ibb.co/HYkVnp5/1234.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[HarveySuits]

https://i.ibb.co/Yy6zQ1P/ydna.jpg (https://ibb.co/fnbhFyq)

[HectorOfTroy]

I just do not understand this obsession with 'Aryanism' and 'steppe descent' when the majority of people who spent the time to become fanatics about it this would not survive a day there :picard1: You are not a great warrior conquerer, you are an obese American who is like 1/8 German. It is good to look into this history and it is interesting but when everything is above it, that's when it gets weird

Yeah they would get eaten alive. Kurgans were probably 'brown' too (by stormfront standards), most of their genetics suggest they were dark, just they had light pigmentation genes, doesn't mean it was the average for them. Guaranteed most Kurgans if they saw these OGD Murrikans they wouldn't think "my brother" they would think "out of shape lazy loser twink" and then proceed to maul them. They were warriors, and they probably didn't give a hoot about race either seeing they intermixed with a bunch of Iranians, East Asians (Many were literally 10-20% East Asian themselves) and WHG, CHG and EEF. They were warriors, not some retards obsessed with "Germanic" and "Racial Purity"

Kurgans are cool.
https://i.ibb.co/SnQTkWv/Kurgan.webp

The Kurgan are a people steeped in mystery, and much like the Norscans, many are the myths and legends that have arisen among Old Worlders regarding them. Those who have survived the brutality of their raids describe them as a race of Daemons clothed in the flesh of Men, or as mutants more akin to the raging Beastkin than Humans, due to their barbarity and vast physical strength.[1c]
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Kurgan

[Abti]

Yeah they would get eaten alive. Kurgans were probably 'brown' too (by stormfront standards), most of their genetics suggest they were dark, just they had light pigmentation genes, doesn't mean it was the average for them. Guaranteed most Kurgans if they saw these OGD Murrikans they wouldn't think "my brother" they would think "out of shape lazy loser twink" and then proceed to maul them. They were warriors, and they probably didn't give a hoot about race either seeing they intermixed with a bunch of Iranians, East Asians (Many were literally 10-20% East Asian themselves) and WHG, CHG and EEF. They were warriors, not some retards obsessed with "Germanic" and "Racial Purity"

Kurgans are cool.
https://i.ibb.co/SnQTkWv/Kurgan.webp

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Kurgan

Let’s talk about the REAL R people. The earliest of East Asians, that found themselves in West Eurasia.

https://im.rediff.com/movies/2007/aug/23dan.jpg

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9c969aeebde45a8a4fce2e1a2594dc7a-lq

The inferior EWE C got displaced in the East to the EEA R thanks to them the 66% EWE & 33% EEA hybrid was born.

Had it not been for G & R diluting the Cro-Magnon genes. Just imagine that…

[HectorOfTroy]

Let’s talk about the REAL R people. The earliest of East Asians, that found themselves in West Eurasia.

https://im.rediff.com/movies/2007/aug/23dan.jpg

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9c969aeebde45a8a4fce2e1a2594dc7a-lq

The inferior EWE C got displaced in the East to the EEA R thanks to them the 66% EWE & 33% EEA hybrid was born.

Had it not been for G & R diluting the Cro-Magnon genes. Just imagine that…

We don't really know what basal R or the first R1 looked like.

[hazmatnik]

Per FTDNA

https://i.postimg.cc/2SWgD1FZ/2.png (https://postimg.cc/rD8fGFHV)

https://i.postimg.cc/SKvZYqrh/1.png (https://postimg.cc/067GhTFW)

[Abti]

We don't really know what basal R or the first R1 looked like.

Those two pictures are the prime example of what K2b would’ve looked like.


Here is what the OG R would looked like.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_x4o_B0M8X7I/TTelU-SH4dI/AAAAAAAAAEs/E9aIyT7XAbI/s1600/North+Udmurt+Men%2527s+outfit.jpg

These pics based on ancestry and phenotype.

[HectorOfTroy]

Those two pictures are the prime example of what K2b would’ve looked like.


Here is what the OG R would looked like.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_x4o_B0M8X7I/TTelU-SH4dI/AAAAAAAAAEs/E9aIyT7XAbI/s1600/North+Udmurt+Men%2527s+outfit.jpg

These pics based on ancestry and phenotype.

Those 2 pics look more like what I'd imagine the original R2 (The R that originated in India basically, Indigenous pre-Dravidian/pre-Iranian Indian basically). K probably looks like Ust-Ishim, who doesn't look caucasoid at all, and instead looks vaguely like some strange psuedo-SSA.

And that looks too caucasoid to be basal R, IMO. Probably looked more like Sungir boy, and the other Sungir reconstructions (who were only vaguely Caucasoid, my mom thought Sungir boy was a Filipino, he does look like a Filipino-Spanish Mestizo imo), although that's only one group of people and we don't know what the other millions of other ANEs of that that time looked like.

The ANEs that came ten thousand years after Sungir probably looked more like that picture of the farmer. Well, then again, Sungir specimens were SUPER old (30k years ago), that's more than enough time that pure ANEs 10-15k years later could've looked pure or almost purely caucasoid like the farmer pic.

https://images.imgbox.com/5e/e1/3inDPphl_o.jpg

[Solitude]

anyone know what is origin from R-S8172?

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/Qzd49S5.png

[gixajo]

anyone know what is origin from R-S8172?

SNP tracker (http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html)

https://i.imgur.com/82Qf11N.png

[Hara Pala]

L-FGC51041 etc. It's been here in Southern England for at least several hundred years, but before that? Not Europe. Somewhere in Asia between Anatolia and Afghanistan / India. I use to hope that it was from the region of the top of the Gulf - and mutations did cluster there. Guilty of wanting it to be Sumerian / Mesopotamia. I use to imagine it being carried by palaeolithic h-gs in the Zagros region. But now I'm feeling that it might have had a link to the 'Iranian Neolithic Farmer' genetic group. Or perhaps even more likely looking at the distribution of the more eastern matches, with the Indus Valley Civilisation.

[chinshen]

126530

[frankhammer]

Big y-500 updates since I last checked

https://i.imgur.com/MP19ym2.png

https://i.imgur.com/r7TGDpj.png

[Hara Pala]

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/L-SK1414/story

[hazmatnik]

Article on PhyloGeographer about my clade.

https://phylogeographer.com/iron-age-e-y20805-is-a-microcosm-of-the-geographic-distribution-of-e-v13/

[Rafael Passoni]

I read it is Etruscan.

[Flashball]

R-Z17

[Kess]

It is going to be a month and FTDNA still haven't added mine.

[Dick]

https://i.postimg.cc/g0Thqm2L/gff.png

https://media.tenor.com/NRqz-7w1yCoAAAAM/what-in-tarnation-jumanji-the-next-level.gif

[Leto]

It is going to be a month and FTDNA still haven't added mine.
It's outrageous. Are you the only one among the recently tested who hasn't gotten it yet?

[Kess]

Are you the only one among the recently tested who hasn't gotten it yet?

I really don't know about it. I asked here, and a few people responded. They said their FTDNA results are several years old.

[lockdownboredom]

I really don't know about it. I asked here, and a few people responded. They said their FTDNA results are several years old.

Have you had gender reassignment surgery?

[Solitude]

R-L2 -> R-S8183 , R-L2 probably born north of the alps and +- 1800 to 1700 bce a part of this branch did spread to north italy with proto-italic tribes and another one was probably proto-celts, to branch too old we can't to associate to any tribe so you just look for +- where this Y probably born and try to study what kind of people and tribes lived in that region, so probably a lot of people from these tribes would test positive to your Y

[Kess]

R-CTS9219, also known as R-CTS1450, is a branch of the Z2106 subgroup of the Z2103 main branch of R1b, which is common in eastern Europe, western Asia and central Asia. A branch CTS9219 is 4000-4500 years old and has a distribution not only in the Balkans but also from Central Asia to Europe.

127445

[Dick]

Ancient Greeks and Balkanites

[Teuta]

Ancient Greeks and Balkanites

since when?

[protos]

since when?

Mesolithic at least?

[Teuta]

Mesolithic at least?

whose? Dick?

[protos]

whose? Dick?

Haplogroup I

[vader]

most likely Ancient Lusitanians, or Celtiberians. R1b-Z225.

[Beowulf]

R-CTS9219, also known as R-CTS1450, is a branch of the Z2106 subgroup of the Z2103 main branch of R1b, which is common in eastern Europe, western Asia and central Asia. A branch CTS9219 is 4000-4500 years old and has a distribution not only in the Balkans but also from Central Asia to Europe.

127445

Cool! you finally got it :high5

[Far_away]

Ancient Greeks and Balkanites

Same

[Kess]

Cool! you finally got it :high5

Thanks my r1b bro.:cheers:

[Teuta]

Haplogroup I

So now that "we" have given up on I haplogroup being slavic, is there any haplogroup slavic among south slavs. Or did your all women mix with Albanian men.

[protos]

So now that "we" have given up on I haplogroup being slavic, is there any haplogroup slavic among south slavs. Or did your all women mix with Albanian men.

Haplogroup I is generally central and eastern European. It was found among mesolithic residents of Greece. Whats the problem?

Also haplogroup I is rare among Albanians. You do the math.

[Teuta]

Haplogroup I is generally central and eastern European. It was found among mesolithic residents of Greece. Whats the problem?

Also haplogroup I is rare among Albanians. You do the math.

His answer was: Ancient Greeks and Balkanites. When I asked which one you said I haplogroup. Now you say is eastern euro. Which one is it? This is a genuine question btw. From that site polymigrations something Dick's clade seems to be Anglo and Far away's is local ( not slavic).

[protos]

His answer was: Ancient Greeks and Balkanites. When I asked which one you said I haplogroup. Now you say is eastern euro. Which one is it? This is a genuine question btw. From that site polymigrations something Dick's clade seems to be Anglo and Far away's is local ( not slavic).

I explained haplogroup I was found among Mesolithic inhabitant of Greece, so how am I wrong?

Haplogroup I was generally found in Balkan earliest populations until late Neolithic people moved from Turkey to Balkan.

[Teuta]

I explained haplogroup I was found among Mesolithic inhabitant of Greece, so how am I wrong?

Haplogroup I was generally found in Balkan earliest populations until late Neolithic people moved from Turkey to Balkan.

1. That is so vague. If you are saying is from Greece and Balkans is different when next you are saying is from Eastern Europe but found in Greece as well.

2. What do you mean was found in Balkan until? Wasn't it found after Neolithics moved from Turkey to Balkan?

[Dušan]

Hi Hulu :cool:

[protos]

1. That is so vague. If you are saying is from Greece and Balkans is different when next you are saying is from Eastern Europe but found in Greece as well.

2. What do you mean was found in Balkan until? Wasn't it found after Neolithics moved from Turkey to Balkan?

1. Well its not vague. You need to know the history of Europe. In the post-Ice Age Europe, the Balkans, parts of Iberia and Italy were only inhabitable places.

2. You can check samples from Yunatsite or Iron Gates Mesolithic era. They had fair share of haplogroup I.

[Voskos]

You tell me.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS1848/

[Kess]

You tell me.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS1848/

T is a rare haplogroup overall. Most common in East Africa.

[Zohor]

My source is da best because it is my dad<3

[Voskos]

T is a rare haplogroup overall. Most common in East Africa.

I'm somewhat Somali looking, unfortunately on the face and not elsewhere.

[Kess]

unfortunately on the face and not elsewhere.

That sucks

[Dardanos]

First wave of Indo-Europeans in the balkans probably together with j2b they brought the paleo-balkan languages

[Ywnrh]

Not sure where it originated. There are different opinions. Jean Manco for instance thought it to be a La Tene marker and I've also read that the oldest was in Devon in England. There are also people that think it originated in Ireland and others think it originated in Scotland. It spread in places in Ireland due to the clan nature of Ireland in that the more powerful the man he would have more wives and women so more children. It is why it is common in areas of the Ui Neill and their related tribe the Connachta.

It has been found in the Cotentin and also Norway and there is a Swedish clade. I haven't looked into why it is in those places. Possibly due to Viking activity and the Swedish one could even be due to Irish soldiers during the Wild Geese era. I'm not really sure as I've only seen these things doing some very cursory reading. I haven't looked into it too much. I would even expect a Spaniard might be M222 due to the Irish Wild Geese that served in the Spanish Army in the 1700s and 1800s. I know O'Neill's Regiment was formed in 1709 in Spain.

Look at this for instance. Now that's really interesting. I never knew about this before looking just now.

https://i.imgur.com/dsIBGXP.png


https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/samples.php?searchcolumn=Y_Haplotree_Variant&searchfor=R-M222

Hello, I was browsing last night without an account and seen a post of yours showing a screenshot of a list of people under R1b? I recall King Tutankhamen, Neil Armstrong, the viking in ship st Dublin and a few others. Do you remember which site this was please?

[kingmob]

You tell me.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS1848/



There's an ancient Greek T, but I don't remember the exact branch.

[Voskos]

There's an ancient Greek T, but I don't remember the exact branch.

interesting, thanks for info, just looked into it

GRC_Kastrouli_Anc T-S27463
GRC_Marathon_Rom T-CTS3767
Sicily_Himera_409BCE I7224 T1a2b1 T-S27463*
Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1 I7218 T1a2b1 T-S27463*
Stratonikeia I20143 T1a2


Mine could be foreign (alleged Venetian ancestor on paternal side). I am however downstream of all the above Greeks.

[Kess]

First wave of Indo-Europeans in the balkans probably together with j2b they brought the paleo-balkan languages

What is your R1b clade?

Mine is r-cts9219. Typically found in Italians, Albanians and Montenegrins.

[Voskos]

What is your R1b clade?

Mine is r-cts9219. Typically found in Italians, Albanians and Montenegrins.

most common in west balkans is cts9219>BY611
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY611/story

you need to test further for deep subclade

[Kess]

most common in west balkans is cts9219>BY611
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY611/story

you need to test further for deep subclade
Funny enough, I scored %0 Balkans in my automosal test.

[Labriego]

Maybe from Goths.

[BillMC]

I1-S12289 is from NE Denmark

[MandM]

Accoring to Ftdna my HG upstream includes 4 people from Viminacium around 100-200 CE, 3 people from Kapitan Andreevo around 1100-500 BCE, and one from Jakovo 440 - 599 CE, so agian i belive Thracian, could be Dacian also maby, any input is welcome

[Pater Patota]

It’s J2-m172, it’s West Asian and probably Ancient Anatolian(Kura-Araxes civilization/Uratu, Hittite, Hurri, Hatti, Mitanni) originated.

[Kirgonix]

I am R-Z225 on my paternal side, G-Y65 on my mom's paternal side.

R-Z225 is associated with the Bell Beakers into Iberia probably from an origin in Eastern France, Germany area. Celtic incorporated type. Can also see a higher incidence in western Iberia as opposed to eastern.


Hi distant y-dna cousin.
I'm R-Z225 too :)
I'm From Center Portugal!

[hazmatnik]

My ancient connections are updated to include two new Avars from Rakoczifalva under E-BY4526, we now have five Avars under various subclades below E-BY4526.

Question is where they picked up these Y subclades.

https://i.postimg.cc/CM87cbbP/Screenshot-20240616-193352-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HjpbxcZX)

https://i.postimg.cc/RFJ07S68/Screenshot-20240616-193003-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G8rrr1jJ)

[Purple Panther]

I supposedly match the Bourbon French kings. I won't lose my head over it. I have a French last name and Germanic R1b. They both stick out like sore thumbs on my Celtic hands.

[Grey99]

I seem to be a descendant of R1a-YP417, which is associated with Eastern Slavs. Yet, my paternal line is Zipser German from eastern Slovakia. I believe it might have come from the Wends in Eastern Germany and was Germanized before arriving in eastern Slovakia during the Late Middle Ages. It could also be from a Germanized Slovak or Ruthenian, but I kind of doubt this, as records of my ancestral town show my German surname going back to a judge in 1371. My surname is somewhat rare, and I have found variants of it throughout Northern, Western, Central, and Eastern Germany, but nothing in Southern Germany.

My specific subclade of YP417 is Y18349, which probably originates with Zarubintsy Culture as it has a TMRCA of 1900 ybp.

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[nederlandseamerikaan]

My paternal haplo is R FT159529. Apparently I’m descended from a Hudson lineage.

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/Zn1yKx7.png

https://i.imgur.com/IOq7mAW.png

[Dantevici]

I haven't had a comprehensive Y-DNA test done yet. However, all results point to Central and Southern Italy. Most likely my grand grand father was an Etruscan.

[Baca]

Illyrian (J2b2) , possibly from Illyrian tribe from North-Central Albania or Central Albania.
Thracian/Dacian (E-V13) possibly from Moesia-Dardania area.
Not confirmed yet so any theory is possible.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Thracia_Outcut_from_Roman_provinces_of_Illyricum%2 C_Macedonia%2C_Dacia%2C_Moesia%2C_Pannonia_and_Thr acia.jpg/1280px-Thracia_Outcut_from_Roman_provinces_of_Illyricum%2 C_Macedonia%2C_Dacia%2C_Moesia%2C_Pannonia_and_Thr acia.jpg

[Baca]

I am under J-PH4679. A map from the phylogeographer claims it came from the Illyrian Taulantii or Albanoi/Abroi tribe in North-Central Albania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taulantii , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanoi


https://phylogeographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/J2b-Z638-lineage-theories.png




The E-V13 most likely came from Moesia-Dardania.

[Baca]

Under this clade of J2b2 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y22894/ , there is one Croat guy from Bosnia, one Albanian and one Greek. This one either came from Illyrian tribes around Croatia / Bosnia or somewhere close or it came from Southern Illyria from Dardania. Not sure. But interesting clade nonetheless.

[Baca]

This guy on another forum is claiming all modern Balkan E-V13 came from here:

https://i.ibb.co/zngswG8/Migration-Late-roman-province.jpg




This could only mean a massive wave of refugees that fled Slavs, Avars etc during the collapse of the Roman Empire if this guy is right and I think this is what he means but I am not convinced. And if true it means it got absorbed into Albanians, Greeks etc
E-V13 was one of the most common lineages within the Roman Empire in general including Roman Croatia.

[MandM]

This guy on another forum is claiming all modern Balkan E-V13 came from here:

https://i.ibb.co/zngswG8/Migration-Late-roman-province.jpg




This could only mean a massive wave of refugees that fled Slavs, Avars etc during the collapse of the Roman Empire if this guy is right and I think this is what he means but I am not convinced. And if true it means it got absorbed into Albanians, Greeks etc
E-V13 was one of the most common lineages within the Roman Empire in general including Roman Croatia.

I have also read somthing similar, that EV13 was mostly were the danube is, and of many reasons some of the ones you mentiond, they moved to other directions on the Balkans

[Baca]

Or it could be that J-PH4679 came from more inland Balkans as part of proto-Albanian . Only more ancient DNA will tell.

[Pepa]

E-V13 is noble, jesus had it too