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Royal White
12-28-2022, 10:42 PM
Is there a consensus on this? Some obvious answers (nordics) but some are harder like dinaric, berberid, pontid... even some people classified as atlanto med or gracile med do not look 100% white to me. I am dinaric/med mix so this is very unbiased question from my side.

Oliver109
12-28-2022, 10:49 PM
Brunns, borrebies, even alpines, all the Palaeolithic types are of a basic White stock, Meds are essentially white but their pigmentation varies, some can be classed as non white.

Ruggery
12-28-2022, 10:55 PM
Brunns, borrebies, even alpines, all the Palaeolithic types are of a basic White stock, Meds are essentially white but their pigmentation varies, some can be classed as non white.

Well, Atlanto Med is a phenotype that can also be considered 100-99% white.

MobyD
12-28-2022, 11:01 PM
Brunns, borrebies, even alpines, all the Palaeolithic types are of a basic White stock, Meds are essentially white but their pigmentation varies, some can be classed as non white.

Why do you say ''even alpines'', as if they are less white than Brunns or Borrebies? Unless you're speaking in terms of pigmentation?

Oliver109
12-28-2022, 11:02 PM
Well, Atlanto Med is a phenotype that can also be considered 100-99% white.

More or less but Atlantos vary from the pale freckled to the golden or beige coloured, Coon said that the Meds don't seem to have a particular skin tone, there are Blacks with Mediterranean features.

Oliver109
12-28-2022, 11:05 PM
Why do you say ''even alpines'', as if they are less white than Brunns or Borrebies? Unless you're speaking in terms of pigmentation?

Because alpines can show tendancies to more tanned skin colour

Jingle Bell
12-28-2022, 11:12 PM
CM's
Derived from Aboriginal Europeans HG's, and they just occour in Europe, P. Atlantid and Berid are for me the most "European" since they are the ones which resembles most the WHG's
Some can say Nordid but they likely came with the introducion of EHG, CWC, BBC in Europs in my personal opnion, Meds too, despite very old in Europe they dont occour just in Europe and are associated with the ENF so

Marshall Theodore
12-28-2022, 11:43 PM
Any CM derivated phenotype

Marshall Theodore
12-28-2022, 11:44 PM
CM's
Derived from Aboriginal Europeans HG's, and they just occour in Europe, P. Atlantid and Berid are for me the most "European" since they are the ones which resembles most the WHG's
Some can say Nordid but they likely came with the introducion of EHG, CWC, BBC in Europs in my personal opnion, Meds too, despite very old in Europe they dont occour just in Europe and are associated with the ENF so

What is CWC and BBC?

Jingle Bell
12-29-2022, 12:03 AM
What is CWC and BBC?

Corded Ware Culture
Bell Beaker Culture

ChocolateFace
12-29-2022, 04:12 AM
Any CM derivated phenotype


CM's
Derived from Aboriginal Europeans HG's, and they just occour in Europe, P. Atlantid and Berid are for me the most "European" since they are the ones which resembles most the WHG's
Some can say Nordid but they likely came with the introducion of EHG, CWC, BBC in Europs in my personal opnion, Meds too, despite very old in Europe they dont occour just in Europe and are associated with the ENF so

There are plenty of individuals with a CM phenotype throughout North Africa and the Middle East.

Odelia
12-29-2022, 04:19 AM
There are plenty of individuals with a CM phenotype throughout North Africa and the Middle East.
Exactly, this Iranian American fighter looks stereotypically middle eastern and he is CM asf...

https://fight.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/beneil-dariush.png

lei.talk
12-29-2022, 04:45 AM
https://i.imgur.com/vSd8p3e.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/cJY99YH.png (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Victor_Vallois)

Immanenz
12-29-2022, 12:10 PM
Exactly, this Iranian American fighter looks stereotypically middle eastern and he is CM asf...


he is Med (Iranid) with robust features (Proto Iranid)- there are less distinctive tyoes though, which make those distinction very blurry.

Odelia
12-30-2022, 02:59 AM
he is Med (Iranid) with robust features (Proto Iranid)- there are less distinctive tyoes though, which make those distinction very blurry.
I think he's more armenoid/anatolid than iranid. He's safely a CM-fied mesocephalic.....

https://www.sportsmanor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/ufc-44.jpg