CHAM ALBANIAN DNA RESULTS 100% FROM EPIRUS.

[TrueEpiriote]

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Here’s my Results from ancestry DNA my blood brother tested on 23andMe and he got 100% on the “Greek & Balkan” category. Both of our parents are 100% Cham Albanians from Epirus.

Our Y-DNA revealed: J2A-M92
MTDNA : J1


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[MandM]

Nice results! Congrats

[TrueEpiriote]

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[TrueEpiriote]

Nice results! Congrats

Thank you. my friend. [emoji1666]


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[Italicus]

Ooh, do you have gedmatch? :) Last Cham result I've seen looked quite Tuscan.

[TrueEpiriote]

Ooh, do you have gedmatch? :) Last Cham result I've seen looked quite Tuscan.

I do have gedmatch, I can post some of my results. What would you like to see? I’m happy to share :)


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[Italicus]

I do have gedmatch, I can post some of my results. What would you like to see? I’m happy to share :)


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Of course man :)

[TrueEpiriote]

And your profile name is true epiriote...
You can't be both an Epirote and an Allahbanian.
Pick and choose.

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Given my whole family is from Epirus, my Haplogroup is J2, traditionally carried by Epirotes. Modern Greek Epirotes are Karamanlides. I'll say I'm a true Epirote, my genetics speak for themselves. If you have a problem with me being a Cham Albanian, I cannot help you in this struggle. You're going to have to figure it out on your own.


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[Italicus]

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Given my whole family is from Epirus, my Haplogroup is J2, traditionally carried by Epirotes. Modern Greek Epirotes are Karamanlides. I'll say I'm a true Epirote, my genetics speak for themselves. If you have a problem with me being a Cham Albanian, I cannot help you in this struggle. You're going to have to figure it out on your own.


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Isn't there a small piece of Chameria that's still part of Albania, just like Laberia? Of course they are outnumbered by Tosks and Ghegs, but still. People can be quite ignorant.

[TrueEpiriote]

Isn't there a small piece of Chameria that's still part of Albania, just like Laberia? Of course they are outnumbered by Tosks and Ghegs, but still. People can be quite ignorant.

Yes, there is! In fact, my grandfather on my maternal side is from a village there. You are right, people can be very ignorant, especially when we look at the historical borders of Epirus. It consumes large parts of modern Albania and northwestern Greece.


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[Italicus]

Yes, there is! In fact, my grandfather on my maternal side is from a village there. You are right, people can be very ignorant, especially when we look at the historical borders of Epirus. It consumes large parts of modern Albania and northwestern Greece.


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Konispol, Xarre or Markat?

[TrueEpiriote]

Of course man :)

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Here are some of my gedmatch results, if there’s anything else you would like to see. Let me know [emoji106]


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[Italicus]

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Here are some of my gedmatch results, if there’s anything else you would like to see. Let me know [emoji106]


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Very cool results! :)

[TrueEpiriote]

Konispol, Xarre or Markat?

Konispol!


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[khanx34]

my friend, nice balkanic wigger

[TrueEpiriote]

There is a Cham Albanian region. It has the towns of Konispol, Xarre and Markat. Think and learn man.

Yes, I'm not sure why some modern Greeks get so upset. Maybe it's because an Albanian may have a closer genetic affinity with their beloved Epirotes than they do themselves.

My lineage to Epirus goes as follows:

Paternal Grandfather: Arpica (Perdika)
Paternal Grandmother : Luarat (Katavothra)

Maternal Grandfather: Konispol
Maternal Grandmother: Luarat (Katavothra)


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[Italicus]

Yes, I'm not sure why some modern Greeks get so upset. Maybe it's because an Albanian may have a closer genetic affinity with their beloved Epirotes than they do themselves.

My lineage to Epirus goes as follows:

Paternal Grandfather: Arpica (Perdika)
Paternal Grandmother : Luarat (Katavothra)

Maternal Grandfather: Konispol
Maternal Grandmother: Luarat (Katavothra)


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I'm so sorry that your family was expelled. My Istrian Italian family was expelled by Titos partisans from Pola. Sadly recent European history has been tainted with expulsions and rejection. But I believe both Greek and Albanian Epirotes have a very large amount of ancient Epirote blood in their veins.

[placebo]

nice results

Distance to: TrueEpiriote
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4.38507697 Greek_Central
4.92121936 Albanian
5.44819236 Italian_Lazio
5.56452154 Italian_Abruzzo
5.62440788 Italian_Marche
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8.70438395 Italian_Sicily
8.90717127 Albanian_Kosovo
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9.89167327 Greek_Izmir
9.99373304 Ashkenazi_Jew
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[TrueEpiriote]

I'm so sorry that your family was expelled. My Istrian Italian family was expelled by Titos partisans from Pola. Sadly recent European history has been tainted with expulsions and rejection. But I believe both Greek and Albanian Epirotes have a very large amount of ancient Epirote blood in their veins.

I'm sorry to hear about your family being expelled. That must have been really tough. It's sad that this kind of thing has happened to so many families in Europe. My thoughts are with you. I agree but only if it is a true Greek Epriote who can trace his lineage there from centuries because as we all know many modern Greek Epirotes are Karamanlides who where brought to Epirus from the Greek/Turkish population exchange, my great-grandfather even employed and took care of many of these migrants in Perdika at the time.


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[TrueEpiriote]

nice results

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4.11114339Greek_Athens
4.38507697Greek_Central
4.92121936Albanian
5.44819236Italian_Lazio
5.56452154Italian_Abruzzo
5.62440788Italian_Marche
5.85041879Greek_Peloponnese
5.90487934Italian_Umbria
6.14758489Italian_Molise
6.23572770Greek_Foca
6.26233183Italian_Apulia
6.61237476Greek_Thrace
6.94010086Greek_Thessaloniki
7.07587450Greek_Thessaly
7.66894386Italian_Campania
7.82047313Greek_Lemnos
7.82628264Italian_Romagna
8.32292617Italian_Basilicata
8.70438395Italian_Sicily
8.90717127Albanian_Kosovo
9.25169174Bulgarian_Thrace
9.89167327Greek_Izmir
9.99373304Ashkenazi_Jew
10.36769020Moldovan_Jewish
10.69884106Turk_Makedonya

Thank you! I Appreciate it [emoji106]


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[KrashNick]

Congrats! Nice results :)

[TrueEpiriote]

Congrats! Nice results :)

Flm Vlla [emoji1666]


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[wvwvw]

Yes, I'm not sure why some modern Greeks get so upset. Maybe it's because an Albanian may have a closer genetic affinity with their beloved Epirotes than they do themselves.

The Chams were a 20,000 small minority in Epirus compared to the millions of Greeks in Albania, which even the founder of Albania had acknowledged as a Greek region. We all know there was no Ancient Albania but there was an Ancient Epirus inhabited by Greek tribes.

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[TrueEpiriote]

The Chams were a 20,000 small minority in Epirus compared to the millions of Greeks in Albania, which even the founder of Albania had acknowledged as a Greek region. We all know there was no Ancient Albania but there was an Ancient Epirus inhabited by Greek tribes.

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You're going to have to expand on your thoughts. Millions of Greeks in Albania? When? Founder of Albania? Whom? Provide quotes?

Historically, we can say that Epirus was a region inhabited by Greek tribes, but now the region is predominantly inhabited by Albanians, who may very well be remnants of assimilated Epriotes and a mixture of other paleo-Balkanic tribes. Modern Greek Epriotes are almost non-existent, and the only logical inheritance of the Epriote title should be given to Albanians.


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[wvwvw]

You're going to have to expand on your thoughts. Millions of Greeks in Albania? When? Founder of Albania? Whom? Provide quotes?

Historically, we can say that Epirus was a region inhabited by Greek tribes, but now the region is predominantly inhabited by Albanians, who may very well be remnants of assimilated Epriotes and a mixture of other paleo-Balkanic tribes. Modern Greek Epriotes are almost non-existent, and the only logical inheritance of the Epriote title should be given to Albanians.

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Greek Epirotes are non-existant in your wishful thinking. In the same way Macedonian are non existed for the forgers of Macedonian history.

There are none of the 20,000 Chams in Greece (after collaborating with nazis) but there are still thousands of Greeks in Albania. The Greek PM visited them recently and the Greek Albanians gave him a warm welcome by chanting "Hellas, Hellas".


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Not to mention the Epirotes in Greece. Although 1 million of modern Greeks came from other regions of Greece (Asia Minor) which today is no longer Greece, they did not replace the local Greeks that were already there. Do the Sicilians who migrate to Milan replace the Milanese? There are Normans in Sicily and Southern Italians all over Italy. Is a Kosovo Albanian migrant in Himera more Epirote than a Greek living there? or is a Serb more Kosovo Albanian than a Champ would be if you'd emigrate to Kosovo?

You are free to claim Epirote heritage as long as you don't rape the history of Ancient and modern Greeks, as the Epirotes were not a separate ethnicity, but had the same descent as all other Greek tribes.

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[TrueEpiriote]

Greek Epirotes are non-existant in your wishful thinking. In the same way Macedonian are non existed for the forgers of Macedonian history.

There are none of the 20,000 Chams in Greece (after collaborating with nazis) but there are still thousands of Greeks in Albania. The Greek PM visited them recently and the Greek Albanians gave him a warm welcome by chanting "Hellas, Hellas".


https://youtu.be/gW4EipdgDUc

Not to mention the Epirotes in Greece. Although 1 million of modern Greeks came from other regions of Greece (Asia Minor) which today is no longer Greece, they did not replace the local Greeks that were already there. Do the Sicilians who migrate to Milan replace the Milanese? There are Normans in Sicily and Southern Italians all over Italy. Is a Kosovo Albanian migrant in Himera more Epirote than a Greek living there? or is a Serb more Kosovo Albanian than a Champ would be if you'd emigrate to Kosovo?

You are free to claim Epirote heritage as long as you don't rape the history of Ancient and modern Greeks, as the Epirotes were not a separate ethnicity, but had the same descent as all other Greek tribes.

Your hypothesis would be acceptable if all the Ancient Greek tribes had the same genetic makeup, which we know is not the case. Epirotes, being neighbors to other paleo-Balkanic people groups, would have had their genetic makeup shifted. The same goes for Greeks in Anatolia and other tribes. To say that they were all equal genetically is obviously a lie, which we can see in today's populations as well. So, bringing Karamanlides into a region like Epirus would ultimately replace the Epiriotes, as these people carry different levels of admixture, paternal and maternal haplotypes, etc. The same thing would apply to a Sicilian and a Milanese.

Thank you for bringing up the Greek minority in Albania. It is not clear that these people are of Greek descent, especially Epiriotic descent, as many of them have recently claimed this Greek heritage. Census records show that their family lineage was identified differently in past censuses. Additionally, the Greek government provides pensions to these "Greeks," which gives them an incentive to claim a Greek national identity. It is easy to commit pension fraud in this way. The problem here is that this minority has not been proven to be a minority on the basis of genetics, but only on their own word, which opens the door to complete fraud. They are more then likely a mixture Albanians & Vlachs.

Please stop with the Nazi collaborator rhetoric. My grandfather fought alongside the Greek partisans and was in no way a Nazi. This is the excuse that the Greek government likes to use to justify committing genocide and expelling an ethnic/religious minority.


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[wvwvw]

Thank you for bringing up the Greek minority in Albania. It is not clear that these people are of Greek descent, especially Epiriotic descent, as many of them have recently claimed this Greek heritage. Census records show that their family lineage was identified differently in past censuses. Additionally, the Greek government provides pensions to these "Greeks," which gives them an incentive to claim a Greek national identity. It is easy to commit pension fraud in this way. The problem here is that this minority has not been proven to be a minority on the basis of genetics, but only on their own word, which opens the door to complete fraud. They are more then likely a mixture Albanians & Vlachs.

These people there are documented long before the Albanians were documented there. Perhaps it is you that is not clear that you are of Albanian descend since you plot more with Greeks than with say, KrashNick.

The Greek government never paid any Albanian to identify as Greek.

The paid the elderly a small scanty pension, since they got nothing from the Albanian government who's policy was and is to eradicate them) in order for them to stay in their ancestor lands so that Albanians don't seize illegally their properties and the Greek community becomes extinct.

Many Greeks from the Greek minority of Albania sought work in Greece and when they returned back in Albania they found their homes occupied by Albanians who refused to leave. The Albanian government has illegally seazed thousands of Greek homes in Himaira.

20.02.2013
State turns its back on ethnic Greeks in southern Albania
By Stavros Tzimas

The Greek government’s decision to end the provision of scant pensions to older members of the ethnic Greek minority in southern Albania, previously viewed as a way of maintaining the region’s historical Greek identity, has caused sadness and concern in the ethnic Greek villages. Witnesses have spoken of elderly men and women flocking to the Greek Consulate in Gjirokaster (Argyrokastro in Greek), a town with a large Greek community, with tears in their eyes.

The reactions from minority officials are indicative of the bitter mood among the community. “After the children and young people left en masse for Greece, responsibility for keeping the ethnic Greek minority alive has rested with the older generation,” said Andreas Zarbalas, the first president of the Greek minority party, Omonia.

Given the rising nationalism and pressure on the Greeks of ‘Northern Epirus,’ these measures will not only harm their dignity but also deal a fatal blow to their existence,” Omonia said in a statement, while the Ethnic Greek Minority for the Future party said, “They never expected that they would be treated as lifeless beings by the homeland."

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It was clearly no genocide. Why don't you take your claims to the International association of genocide scholars or to Hague to decide if it was genocide.

The Chams according to the international conditions which were made after the World War II were criminals of War because they are responsible for the death of thousands of Greeks (Christians and Jews) as well as for deaths of Italian soldiers when they disobey to the Nazi at the end of the war. The Chams didn't stop killing Greek civilians (including many woman and children) even at the time when the Germans were on the way out of Greece after their defeat by the allies. The slaughter of civilian Greeks by the Chams in the area of Paramythia is indicant. When the Greek army went to that area to save the Greek civilians the Chams moved to Albania. They are war criminals and they sided with Nazis, and before that had always sided with Ottomans against Greeks.

When Greece was occupied by Axis, Germans gave Muslim Chams weapons and ammunition to terrorize Greeks again. (It was a German custom in Balkans, to support Muslim groups against Christians, especially in Balkans). They acted treacherous. Their actions of terror in Epirus became well-known between Greek guerillas and British military personnel in Greece. A lot of them are still wanted for crimes they did in WWII. They collaborated with the enemy and lost. Their fate is something like that of the Sudeten Germans, although the numbers are way smaller.

Most women and children didn't commit any crimes. However, a significant portion of menfolk did ( like Sudeten and Prussian Germans in Poland) . Men who once followed Mussolini and the Germans as saboteurs and ethnic cleansers of Jews of Ionnina quickly switched over to " anti-fascist Cham organization" when it was clear their masters will lose in 1944 ( remember this is about 20,000 )people. They rightfully were afraid of retribution and fled the country afterwards and never came back after they chose again the wrong side in Civil War.

You think the men were going to leave behind their women and children in Greece? About 1500 Chams were found guilty of war crimes and probably more were guilty. Cham Christians were also the victims of their crimes and also stayed in Greece.


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[Italicus]

I'm sorry to hear about your family being expelled. That must have been really tough. It's sad that this kind of thing has happened to so many families in Europe. My thoughts are with you. I agree but only if it is a true Greek Epriote who can trace his lineage there from centuries because as we all know many modern Greek Epirotes are Karamanlides who where brought to Epirus from the Greek/Turkish population exchange, my great-grandfather even employed and took care of many of these migrants in Perdika at the time.


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So many families have suffered. Italians, Albanians, Greeks, Germans, Poles, Turks, Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, the Scottish Highlanders and probably more. People just couldn't live next to each other due to the anger and hatred. I have noticed this has never happened in the Benelux, France and Iberia though. I wonder how they managed not to massacre and expel each other.

[wvwvw]

Your hypothesis would be acceptable if all the Ancient Greek tribes had the same genetic makeup, which we know is not the case. Epirotes, being neighbors to other paleo-Balkanic people groups, would have had their genetic makeup shifted. The same goes for Greeks in Anatolia and other tribes..

Irrelevant since the Epirotes have the same genetic make up as mainland Greeks. And that's not Illyrian.

A lot of Asia Minor Greeks had Epirote ancestry and lots of Epirotes had ancestry from other parts of Greeks since antiquity. Many Ancient Greek cities in Albania were build by Corinthians and even Phoenician Greeks.

[TrueEpiriote]

Irrelevant since the Epirotes have the same genetic make up as mainland Greeks. And that's not Illyrian.

A lot of Asia Minor Greeks had Epirote ancestry and lots of Epirotes had ancestry from other parts of Greeks since antiquity. Many Ancient Greek cities in Albania were build by Corinthians and even Phoenician Greeks.

Did I say it was Illyrian? To make a connection with mainland Greeks and Epirotes is appropriate, but to say that Asia Minor Greeks have the exact same genetic makeup as an Epirote is not scientifically accurate. Asia Minor Greeks are the predominant Greeks in Epirus today and yes they’re DNA has largely shifted away from the common Epirote and neighbours.

Just as a Sicilian in the south is closer to a Greek/Albanian than to a northern Italian, who are more northern-shifted, speaking from a genetic standpoint you wouldn't call these people exactly the same. Maybe they have the same language and cultures, but there is definitely a strong genetic difference.

Also, what do you mean by the term 'Phoenician Greek'? Are you referring to the city in Albania, Finiq (ancient Phoenice)?


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[wvwvw]

Did I say it was Illyrian? To make a connection with mainland Greeks and Epirotes is appropriate, but to say that Asia Minor Greeks have the exact same genetic makeup as an Epirote is not scientifically accurate. Asia Minor Greeks are the predominant Greeks in Epirus today and yes they’re DNA has largely shifted away from the common Epirote and neighbours.

Just as a Sicilian in the south is closer to a Greek/Albanian than to a northern Italian, who are more northern-shifted, speaking from a genetic standpoint you wouldn't call these people exactly the same. Maybe they have the same language and cultures, but there is definitely a strong genetic difference.

Also, what do you mean by the term 'Phoenician Greek'? Are you referring to the city in Albania, Finiq (ancient Phoenice)?


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Areas of settlement of Asia Minor Greeks
The core of the refugee population settled in Attica and Macedonia. The official refugee population per region in 1928 was as follows (number of refugees and percent of the refugee population):

Macedonia: 52.2%
Attica: 25.1%
Thrace: 8.8%
North Aegean Islands: 4.6%
Thessaly: 2.8%
Crete: 2.8%
Peloponnese: 2.3%
Epirus: 0.7%
Cyclades: 0.4%
Ionian Islands: 0.3%

[catgeorge]

There is no such thing as a True Epirote that has been cucked by Ali Pasha and is muslim.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

So many families have suffered. Italians, Albanians, Greeks, Germans, Poles, Turks, Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, the Scottish Highlanders and probably more. People just couldn't live next to each other due to the anger and hatred. I have noticed this has never happened in the Benelux, France and Iberia though. I wonder how they managed not to massacre and expel each other.

It's a very fascinating phenomenon. The Serbs and Croats I meet here in Sweden wouldn't even care if I was Bosniak or not.

I agree with you that there is a lot of anger. Maybe if everyone around you is angry, you sort of live in it, and it becomes like a mental illness + not having been exposed to alternatives (environment without all this anger)?


But it varies in different countries. In the Balkans anger seems to be more expressed in terms of physical aggression. Here in Sweden, anger is not as often expressed like that, only in minority of cases. It's mostly expressed passive-aggressively. So, even if you are not allowed to hit your children (like in Sweden) they will still face some sort of "abuse", which is probably why there is anger in the passive-aggressive sense.

[Italicus]

It's a very fascinating phenomenon. The Serbs and Croats I meet here in Sweden wouldn't even care if I was Bosniak or not.

I agree with you that there is a lot of anger. Maybe if everyone around you is angry, you sort of live in it, and it becomes like a mental illness + not having been exposed to alternatives (environment without all this anger)?


But it varies in different countries. In the Balkans anger seems to be more expressed in terms of physical aggression. Here in Sweden, anger is not as often expressed like that, only in minority of cases. It's mostly expressed passive-aggressively. So, even if you are not allowed to hit your children (like in Sweden) they will still face some sort of "abuse", which is probably why there is anger in the passive-aggressive sense.

Yes. Every culture has different ways of displaying anger and resentment. Some people display passive aggressiveness and some become physically abusive. Honestly I prefer the passive aggressive route, because physical abuse is 100 times worse. But neither is good. Unfortunately mass anger can come about when two or more ethnic groups are right next to each other, especially if they are competing for physical resources. If Swedes were the physically abusive type they probably would have expelled their Saami minority by now.

[kingmob]

Modern Greek Epirotes are Karamanlides. I'll say I'm a true Epirote, my genetics speak for themselves. If you have a problem with me being a Cham Albanian, I cannot help you in this struggle. You're going to have to figure it out on your own.



Karamanids in Epirus, roflmao.

What nonsense.

[kingmob]

Did I say it was Illyrian? To make a connection with mainland Greeks and Epirotes is appropriate, but to say that Asia Minor Greeks have the exact same genetic makeup as an Epirote is not scientifically accurate. Asia Minor Greeks are the predominant Greeks in Epirus today and yes they’re DNA has largely shifted away from the common Epirote and neighbours.

Just as a Sicilian in the south is closer to a Greek/Albanian than to a northern Italian, who are more northern-shifted, speaking from a genetic standpoint you wouldn't call these people exactly the same. Maybe they have the same language and cultures, but there is definitely a strong genetic difference.

Also, what do you mean by the term 'Phoenician Greek'? Are you referring to the city in Albania, Finiq (ancient Phoenice)?


Asia Minor Greeks settled in Macedonia+Thrace and Athens, you dork.

Nothing to do with your beloved Epirus, the people who btfo'ed your kind were Epirotes themselves.

Nice try to demonize Asia Minor Greeks, but no bueno.

[TrueEpiriote]

Epirus has been predominantly inhabited by self-identifying ethnic Albanians since the time of the Romans. Any Greek minority is simply an Albanian who identifies as Greek due to religious confusion. Albanians have been the majority, which is why we were rewarded the region after the fall of the Ottomans.

The Greek minority you speak of is completely fabricated and lacks any genetic evidence. We will take their claims with a grain of salt. They are Albanians and Vlachs, which is why one of the predominant languages spoken in their communities is Aromanian. The Greek national identity is based on a loose coalition of believers in the Orthodox faith, and this is what we see in these communities – people falsely believing they are a certain ethnicity based on religious affiliation. A more appropriate way to measure this minority would be to have strict DNA testing and proof of lineage via a family tree, which is not what is happening.

The issues you mention regarding these Greek minorities are exactly what the Greek government did in Chameria. For decades, the Greek government suppressed Albanian language schools, moved Greeks speaking Orthodox people into Cham Albanian communities, rewarded these Greeks with Cham Albanian properties, nationalized land and made it illegal for Albanians to own land, and created resentment between Orthodox and Muslim Chams by identifying all Orthodox Chams as Greeks and Muslim Chams as Turk-Albanians. Some Chams were even falsely sent to Turkey as part of an exchange. This is why the number you present of a measly 20,000 Chams is bogus.

The alienation of the Chams didn't start after World War II, but in the early 1900s. The Greek government fueled the flames for the Chams to align with the Axis powers that were offering them autonomy, which the Greek government had taken away from them. It's not as simple as saying "Nazi=Bad."


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[kingmob]

Firstly you attack Anatolian Greeks for no reason whatsoever, people who have nothing to do with your kind or ever did.

Then it's time for the sob story.


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[TrueEpiriote]

Asia Minor Greeks settled in Macedonia+Thrace and Athens, you dork.

Nothing to do with your beloved Epirus, the people who btfo'ed your kind were Epirotes themselves.

Nice try to demonize Asia Minor Greeks, but no bueno.

Not true. Read some history and please refrain from cheap insults, name-calling, and using terms like "BTFO". Just signals you are operating in a perpetual state of infantilization.

The population exchange between Greece and Turkey, also known as the "population exchange," occurred in the aftermath of the Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) and the subsequent signing of the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923. As part of the treaty, the governments of Greece and Turkey agreed to an exchange of populations, in which Muslims living in Greece were required to relocate to Turkey, and Christians living in Turkey were required to relocate to Greece.
The population exchange affected a large number of people, including Greeks living in the region of Asia Minor (present-day western Turkey) and Muslims living in the region of Epirus (in present-day northwestern Greece). The exchange was intended to reduce tensions between the two communities and to create homogenous nation-states based on religious and ethnic identity. According to estimates, the population exchange involved the relocation of approximately 1.5 million people. Of these, around 500,000 were Muslims living in Greece, who were required to relocate to Turkey. The remaining 1 million were Christians living in Turkey, including Greeks from Asia Minor, who were required to relocate to Greece.
The population exchange had a significant impact on the demographics of both Greece and Turkey. In Greece, the influx of Greek refugees from Asia Minor, known as the "Asia Minor Catastrophe," resulted in a significant increase in the Greek population. At the same time, the departure of the Muslim population from Epirus left the region largely depopulated. It is estimated that around 100,000 Greek refugees from Asia Minor were resettled in Epirus as part of the population exchange.
The population exchange was not without controversy, as it involved the forced relocation of large numbers of people and resulted in significant disruptions to their lives and communities. Some historians have argued that the population exchange was a form of ethnic cleansing.
References:
* "Population exchange between Greece and Turkey." Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/event/population-exchange-between-Greece-and-Turkey
* "The 1923 Population Exchange between Greece and Turkey: An Exchange of Catastrophes." Center for Global Education. Asia Society. https://asiasociety.org/education/1923-population-exchange-between-greece-and-turkey-exchange-catastrophes
* "The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey." The National Herald. https://www.thenationalherald.com/archive_article/the_1923_population_exchange_between_greece_and_tu rkey/


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[kingmob]

Not true. Read some history and please refrain from cheap insults, name-calling, and using terms like "BTFO". Just signals you are operating in a perpetual state of infantilization.




Yes, tell me all about my people, I need a cham of all people to inform me.

Nowhere in your supposed sources mentions Epirus and you won't find any info elsewhere, because, newsflash, Karamanids settled in Drama and Kavala and all other Asia Minor Greeks settled in Macedonia, Thrace and Athens.

If you have names of villages, settlements, etc, by all means, present them, but you don't, because they never existed.

You're just high on copium because the people who BTFO'ed you out of your chameria were Epirotes themselves and not some imaginary Asia Minor Greek villains.

[TrueEpiriote]

Yes, tell me all about my people, I need a cham of all people to inform me.

Nowhere in your supposed sources mentions Epirus and you won't find any info elsewhere, because, newsflash, Karamanids settled in Drama and Kavala and all other Asia Minor Greeks settled in Macedonia, Thrace and Athens.

If you have names of villages, settlements, etc, by all means, present them, but you don't, because they never existed.

You're just high on copium because the people who BTFO'ed you out of your chameria were Epirotes themselves and not some imaginary Asia Minor Greek villains.

Imbecile.

It is estimated that around 100,000 Greek refugees from Asia Minor were resettled in Epirus to help repopulate the region following the departure of the Muslim population. One of the ways in which these refugees may have coped with their displacement and adapted to their new surroundings was by assimilating into the local culture and identity of Epirus. Many of these Asia Minor Greeks don't have any idea where they come from or their family history, but Chams have real knowledge of history passed down through storytelling about their people being replaced by these so-called Greeks from Asia Minor. According to Ottoman records, Albanians made up the majority of the population in Epirus, while Greek Epiriotes were practically non-existent and similar in numbers to Vlachs. How can a region with a predominantly Albanian population suddenly have no Albanians in sight, but instead a Greek Epirote majority arises out of nowhere? It is very simple: it is manufactured. If you choose not to acknowledge basic history, there is nothing I can do for you. I know it hurts to know that there are no true Greek Epriotes, only assimilated Albanians.

Cope.


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[kingmob]

It is estimated that around 100,000 Greek refugees from Asia Minor were resettled in Epirus to help repopulate the region following the departure of the Muslim population.
Cope.



Cope?

You are the one here with the sob story.

Asia Minor Greeks are way more informed about their origins and folklore than your imaginary fairytales; nice Greco-Anatolian-Sicilian haplo, btw, 'true epirote'.

[kingmob]

Say hello to your J2a-M92 Kura-Araxes ancestors, 'true epirote'.

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Your haplo peaks in Armenians, Anatolians/Turks, Greeks (including ancient Minoans and Myceneans) and South Italians.

Not very Albanian speaking to say the least.

Maybe now you can self-reflect a bit and tone down your unwarranted hostility to Anatolians with whom you share paternal ancestry.

[TrueEpiriote]

Cope?

You are the one here with the sob story.

Asia Minor Greeks are way more informed about their origins and folklore than your imaginary fairytales; nice Greco-Anatolian-Sicilian haplo, btw, 'true epirote'.

Thank you! I'm glad you like my haplogroup. I know it's great proof of my native Epiriotic ancestry. Remember, Sicily was conquered by Epiriotes, who were J2A dominant, and Anatolian cities like Troy were built by Minoans, who were also J2A dominant. This is a great win for my bloodline.
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[TrueEpiriote]

Say hello to your J2a-M92 Kura-Araxes ancestors, 'true epirote'.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/21/51/e72151bffc46ef29a7da1889c5582117.gif


Your haplo peaks in Armenians, Anatolians/Turks, Greeks (including ancient Minoans and Myceneans) and South Italians.

Not very Albanian speaking to say the least.

Maybe now you can self-reflect a bit and tone down your unwarranted hostility to Anatolians with whom you share paternal ancestry.

I have no hostility towards Anatolians! Anatolia is the cradle of civilizations. The Hellenes as we know it are Anatolian migrants, by your own accounts I am a native Epirote. Thank you!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221230/4a76fefd9808e5a86dacc92e2560bc62.jpg


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[kingmob]

I have no hostility towards Anatolians! Anatolia is the cradle of civilizations. The Hellenes as we know it are Anatolian migrants, by your own accounts I am a native Epirote. Thank you!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221230/4a76fefd9808e5a86dacc92e2560bc62.jpg




This map you keep posting of haplos in Greece is pulled out of someone's behind, it has no bearing on reality, just a small FYI.

[TrueEpiriote]

This map you keep posting of haplos in Greece is pulled out of someone's behind, it has no bearing on reality, just a small FYI.

Pulled out of someone's behind by referencing real paleoanthropological findings, the map holds weight when we have genetics to back it up. Do you deny that the Minoans were J2A? I think you're just a little mad that I'm a Native Epirote. Phyrrus is my blood brother.


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[Italicus]

Guys, Epirote Greeks AND Cham Albanians both descend from ancient Epirotes. Stop with the hostility, please. It does no-one any good. Anger and resentment hurts everyone involved.

[kingmob]

Pulled out of someone's behind by referencing real paleoanthropological findings, the map holds weight when we have genetics to back it up. Do you deny that the Minoans were J2A? I think you're just a little mad that I'm a Native Epirote. Phyrrus is my blood brother.


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Why would I be mad. They were an insignificant peripheral civ that got rolled over by the Greeks and the Romans, leaving almost nothing behind.


And the map has zero referencing to data. Minoans were Anatolians just like Anatolian Greeks. Sounds like you are the one who's jelly you are not Greek and have to invent imaginary ethnicities.

[TrueEpiriote]

Why would I be mad. They were an insignificant peripheral civ that got rolled over by the Greeks and the Romans, leaving almost nothing behind.


And the map has zero referencing to data. Minoans were Anatolians just like Anatolian Greeks. Sounds like you are the one who's jelly you are not Greek and have to invent imaginary ethnicities.

Go source paleoanthropological samples and you'll see for yourself.

Why would I be jealous I'm not Greek? It's the easiest ethnic group to join; all I would need to do is convert to Orthodoxy, change my name to Yianni, and you would all call me your blood brother afterwards. After all, that's what defines a Greek according to the Greek Orthodox Church. A good example today is how 90% of Greeks claim Antetokounmpo as one of your own, even though he's ethnically Nigerian. When I was in Greece on vacation, all of you spoke to me in Greek and were shocked to learn I wasn't Greek. It would be very easy for me to join this ethnic group.

You seem to think I have an issue with Anatolian Greeks, which I don't. I believe your projecting your own hatred towards ethnic Albanians, and can’t stand the fact our ethnic origins are historically intertwined. What imaginary ethnicities am I inventing? Enlighten me, please.


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[wvwvw]

Go source paleoanthropological samples and you'll see for yourself.

Why would I be jealous I'm not Greek? It's the easiest ethnic group to join; all I would need to do is convert to Orthodoxy, change my name to Yianni, and you would all call me your blood brother afterwards. After all, that's what defines a Greek according to the Greek Orthodox Church. A good example today is how 90% of Greeks claim Antetokounmpo as one of your own, even though he's ethnically Nigerian. When I was in Greece on vacation, all of you spoke to me in Greek and were shocked to learn I wasn't Greek. It would be very easy for me to join this ethnic group.

You seem to think I have an issue with Anatolian Greeks, which I don't. I believe your projecting your own hatred towards ethnic Albanians, and can’t stand the fact our ethnic origins are historically intertwined. What imaginary ethnicities am I inventing? Enlighten me, please.

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No you would have to prove that you have a Greek parent or are married to a Greek in order to be considered as Greek by the Greek state. And that Greek parent must have Greek citizenship to count as Greek.

There are Greeks in Mariupol in Ukraine for example and Greece does not consider them legitimate for Greek citizenship.

Yiannis Antentakoumpo was born in Greece, so what's the problem? He is considered by everyone in Greece a Greek citizen of Nigerian ancestry, not of Greek ancestry.

[Mortimer]

Cham sounds like Chammer, which is a untouchable in India.

[Italicus]

Cham sounds like Chammer, which is a untouchable in India.

I think you mean Chamar.

[wvwvw]

Not true. Read some history and please refrain from cheap insults, name-calling, and using terms like "BTFO". Just signals you are operating in a perpetual state of infantilization.

The population exchange between Greece and Turkey, also known as the "population exchange," occurred in the aftermath of the Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) and the subsequent signing of the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923. As part of the treaty, the governments of Greece and Turkey agreed to an exchange of populations, in which Muslims living in Greece were required to relocate to Turkey, and Christians living in Turkey were required to relocate to Greece.
The population exchange affected a large number of people, including Greeks living in the region of Asia Minor (present-day western Turkey) and Muslims living in the region of Epirus (in present-day northwestern Greece). The exchange was intended to reduce tensions between the two communities and to create homogenous nation-states based on religious and ethnic identity. According to estimates, the population exchange involved the relocation of approximately 1.5 million people. Of these, around 500,000 were Muslims living in Greece, who were required to relocate to Turkey. The remaining 1 million were Christians living in Turkey, including Greeks from Asia Minor, who were required to relocate to Greece.
The population exchange had a significant impact on the demographics of both Greece and Turkey. In Greece, the influx of Greek refugees from Asia Minor, known as the "Asia Minor Catastrophe," resulted in a significant increase in the Greek population. At the same time, the departure of the Muslim population from Epirus left the region largely depopulated. It is estimated that around 100,000 Greek refugees from Asia Minor were resettled in Epirus as part of the population exchange.
The population exchange was not without controversy, as it involved the forced relocation of large numbers of people and resulted in significant disruptions to their lives and communities. Some historians have argued that the population exchange was a form of ethnic cleansing.
References:
* "Population exchange between Greece and Turkey." Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/event/population-exchange-between-Greece-and-Turkey
* "The 1923 Population Exchange between Greece and Turkey: An Exchange of Catastrophes." Center for Global Education. Asia Society. https://asiasociety.org/education/1923-population-exchange-between-greece-and-turkey-exchange-catastrophes
* "The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey." The National Herald. https://www.thenationalherald.com/archive_article/the_1923_population_exchange_between_greece_and_tu rkey/

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The population exchange was forced on Greece by Kemal Ataturk. Had not Greece agreed, he would have exterminated every Greek in Asia Minor. Οver 1 million Greeks had already been exterminated and murdered in massacres and forced labor battalions, 500,000 in Pontus alone.

Read, The Blight of Asia by George Horton the American General Consul in Smyrna. Over 1,500,000 Armenians and 1,000,000 Greeks had already been exterminated by the Turks before 1918 as part of an organised campaign of genocide.

355,000 Muslims in Greece were exchanged for 1,200,000 Asia Minor Greeks of which the Karamanlides were 44,000. Records find that 182,169 Pontic Greeks were displaced as part of the population exchange. Many of the Pontic Greeks left for the Soviet Union, which had been the site of earlier Pontic migrations and thus had family connections.

But that didn't left Epirus depopulated as you claim unless Muslims were the majority there which they weren't.

In 1877 out of the total 250,000 population, only 50,000 were Muslims

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[wvwvw]

In 1918 Pontians had declared the Republic of Pontus and the USA was planning on recognizing it.

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At that time the U.S. was in favor of the self-determination of peoples. The two states would be linked in the form of a confederation for defensive reasons (against the Turkish threat). Venizelos, as well as the archbishop of Pontus Chrysanthos, had accepted the plan (although only eastern Pontus was included) because they saw the dangers for the population and the impossibility of integrating Pontus into Greece.

Unfortunately, the plan remained only on paper. Kemal's army attacked the decimated Pontians. Out of 650,000 Pontians only 180,000 survived, that's only 27% of their population.

Similarly the Armenians, (it was preceded by the Armenian Genocide with approximately 1.5 million victims) were divided. Kemal's agreement with the Soviets, according to which Armenia was divided, gave the Armenians the final shot. About 2/3 of the depicted territories passed to Turkey, while the remaining 1/3 "joined" the Soviet Union! As for the remaining Pontians, some came as refugees to poor Greece (1922) while others fled to the Soviet Union (on the shores of the Pontus). A few years later (1930s), the persecutions by Stalin's regime will begin...

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[wvwvw]

Cham sounds like Chammer, which is a untouchable in India.

The Thyamis (Greek: Θύαμις), also known as Glykys (Γλυκύς) or Kalamas (Καλαμάς),[2][3] is a river in the Epirus region of Greece. It flows into the Ionian Sea. It is 115 km (71 mi) long,[4][3] and its drainage area is about 1,900 km2 (730 sq mi), over 99% of which on Greek territory.[3] The names of the Chameria region (Tsamouria in Greek), as well as the Chams, derive from the river's name.

[kingmob]

You seem to think I have an issue with Anatolian Greeks, which I don't. I believe your projecting your own hatred towards ethnic Albanians,



What paleoanthropological sources, lol. Can you list at least one of them corroborating your MS-Paint map that got pulled out of someone's ass? Haha.

I couldn't give two shits about Epirus, old or new, or Albanians. You started trash-talking Asia Minor Greeks, you got dunked. Better luck next time.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Yes. Every culture has different ways of displaying anger and resentment. Some people display passive aggressiveness and some become physically abusive. Honestly I prefer the passive aggressive route, because physical abuse is 100 times worse. But neither is good.
Perhaps you are thinking of very extreme beating? Even though passive-aggressiveness doesn't hurt you physically, it will hurt you a lot mentally, and you will sort of get into this state of not trusting people around you because it's so mental.


Unfortunately mass anger can come about when two or more ethnic groups are right next to each other, especially if they are competing for physical resources. If Swedes were the physically abusive type they probably would have expelled their Saami minority by now.
From what I have learned here in Sweden, swedes would spread rumors about Saamis and such. But I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic.


At the same time, child beating was banned in Sweden because some parents would hit their child until it died (and other insane things), which is why they banned it. I don't see this where my parents are from and it would be considered very odd.
But it might be important when understanding why some people are more emotionally abuse etc.

Perhaps this is also the reason why Sweden has quite strict laws when it comes to consent? Because the perpetrator would emotionally manipulate the victim, but not physically, and since it's difficult to address such behavior with law (which is much more focused on the concrete proof) it becomes difficult to really know whether it was rape or not?

[Italicus]

Perhaps you are thinking of very extreme beating? Even though passive-aggressiveness doesn't hurt you physically, it will hurt you a lot mentally, and you will sort of get into this state of not trusting people around you because it's so mental.


From what I have learned here in Sweden, swedes would spread rumors about Saamis and such. But I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic.


At the same time, child beating was banned in Sweden because some parents would hit their child until it died (and other insane things), which is why they banned it. I don't see this where my parents are from and it would be considered very odd.
But it might be important when understanding why some people are more emotionally abuse etc.

Perhaps this is also the reason why Sweden has quite strict laws when it comes to consent? Because the perpetrator would emotionally manipulate the victim, but not physically, and since it's difficult to address such behavior with law (which is much more focused on the concrete proof) it becomes difficult to really know whether it was rape or not?

Wow, I never thought of it this way. That Swedes are passive aggressive because they fear too much violence that they commit if they are aren't controlled. Like the fact that in some Indian reservations alcohol is banned because of domestic violence. You're very enlightening bro, thanks! :)

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Wow, I never thought of it this way. That Swedes are passive aggressive because they fear too much violence that they commit if they are aren't controlled. Like the fact that in some Indian reservations alcohol is banned because of domestic violence. You're very enlightening bro, thanks! :)

Yeah, like I have no personal experience of being hit in this sense, but depending on where you are, you will stumble upon people who are very passive-aggressive. In fact, you don't even have to be an immigrant to experience this. Swedes bully other swedes too. And another issue is that they act like nothing has happened if the boss wants to do something about it. In Sweden it's called "ord mot ord", i.e. your experience against their experience. So it's difficult to actually prove anything. And this can happen anywhere, in lower educated to higher educated workplaces.

And speaking of alcohol, there are lots of problems with being under the influence. In fact, the Swedish police is more vigilant during Christmas because some people drink too much and people around them get negatively affected:
Våld i familjer – vanligt under julhelgen (https://polisen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2022/december/vald-i-familjer--vanligt-under-julhelgen/)

Violence in families - common during the Christmas holiday
22–26 December, the police in the Mitt region carry out a crime prevention effort, Julefrid, with the aim of reducing the number of crimes in close relationships.

Christmas peace is carried out before and during the Christmas holiday in all three police areas; Gävleborg, Uppsala and Västmanland. The goal is to reduce the number of crimes in close relationships and to ultimately - save lives.

- Julefrid is the fourth crime prevention regional effort against crime in close relationships within the framework of one year. We work with increased presence in residential areas, knocking on doors, patrolling the places where we know that no contact has been issued and talking to citizens about how help can be reached for those who are vulnerable or for those who draw attention to what is not right with neighbors or acquaintances, says Jonas Svedberg, operations manager Julefrid.

Violence in relationships occurs throughout society and can take place through acts of violence and threats by someone in one's own family. It can be a partner, former partner, parent, sibling or child. The crimes can be molestation, threats and various types of violent and sexual crimes. It is common for these crimes to take place in the home and the police know that violence often increases during long weekends and when people are off.

In 2022, up to and including mid-December, 6,695 crimes in a couple relationship, crimes against children and rape against adults have been reported in region Mitt. The police know that there are large numbers of people in the dark, as many do not want or dare to report what they have been subjected to.

What I highlighted in the quote is quite interesting. It would imply that things such as school and work make people distracted from what is going on at home? It could imply that maybe they don't really like their family members etc. but don't have to think about it too much because they aren't exposed to them as often?

[Italicus]

Yeah, like I have no personal experience of being hit in this sense, but depending on where you are, you will stumble upon people who are very passive-aggressive. In fact, you don't even have to be an immigrant to experience this. Swedes bully other swedes too. And another issue is that they act like nothing has happened if the boss wants to do something about it. In Sweden it's called "ord mot ord", i.e. your experience against their experience. So it's difficult to actually prove anything. And this can happen anywhere, in lower educated to higher educated workplaces.

And speaking of alcohol, there are lots of problems with being under the influence. In fact, the Swedish police is more vigilant during Christmas because some people drink too much and people around them get negatively affected:
Våld i familjer – vanligt under julhelgen (https://polisen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2022/december/vald-i-familjer--vanligt-under-julhelgen/)

What I highlighted in the quote is quite interesting. It would imply that things such as school and work make people distracted from what is going on at home? It could imply that maybe they don't really like their family members etc. but don't have to think about it too much because their aren't exposed to it too much?

I know this might be kind of dumb, but have you ever thought about contacting The Angry Foreigner on YouTube? You guys probably have a lot in common, being Bosniaks in Sweden and experiencing the negative effects of Swedish culture. You guys could probably learn a lot from each other :)

[Atlantic Reptilian]

I know this might be kind of dumb, but have you ever thought about contacting The Angry Foreigner on YouTube? You guys probably have a lot in common, being Bosniaks in Sweden and experiencing the negative effects of Swedish culture. You guys could probably learn a lot from each other :)

I have looked at some of his recent videos and seems like he is soon quitting his role as a political commentator?

I personally just talk about these issues on here because I find it interesting and want to hear other people perspectives on similar issues. In that sense we can complement each other and maybe get more understanding of it. The problem with Youtube is that you sort of have to talk about what is trending, which ruins the point. As for the problems of immigration here in Sweden, I'm not very interested in it. Sure, there are problems, but I don't see the point in repeatedly talking about it. I also don't have any personal experience of the no-go zones of Sweden.

[alexmegas777]

we share the same y dna

[Italicus]

I have looked at some of his recent videos and seems like he is soon quitting his role as a political commentator?

I personally just talk about these issues on here because I find it interesting and want to hear other people perspectives on similar issues. In that sense we can complement each other and maybe get more understanding of it. The problem with Youtube is that you sort of have to talk about what is trending, which ruins the point. As for the problems of immigration here in Sweden, I'm not very interested in it. Sure, there are problems, but I don't see the point in repeatedly talking about it. I also don't have any personal experience of the no-go zones of Sweden.

It's not just about immigration bro. I'm talking about deep seeded issues, such as mental health in Sweden (which he did a couple of videos on) and how Swedish culture can be quite toxic. You can PM him :)

[Far_away]

Nice results. How long did you wait?

[Mayuk24]

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Given my whole family is from Epirus, my Haplogroup is J2, traditionally carried by Epirotes. Modern Greek Epirotes are Karamanlides. I'll say I'm a true Epirote, my genetics speak for themselves. If you have a problem with me being a Cham Albanian, I cannot help you in this struggle. You're going to have to figure it out on your own.


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thanks thanks.... tha imgen is gold to me .... c; .. btw I'm currently getting some Korinthos as well .. some idea ??


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