Classify Austrian woman from the 1940's

[PikusaMikusi]

https://imgur.com/a/KibrmAv

Is this look common in Austria/ Germany?

[Oliver109]

Subnordic and borreby, looks Western

[Immanenz]

well its a common West Germanic look, so its part of the phenotype range

[PikusaMikusi]

Subnordic and borreby, looks Western

Thanks. is this Austrian also a Subnordic / borreby, or is he completely different?

https://imgur.com/a/dVRYuLV

[Jingle Bell]

Paleo Atlantid IMO

[PikusaMikusi]

Paleo Atlantid IMO

Paleo means some "primitive" looking, right?

[Oliver109]

Thanks. is this Austrian also a Subnordic / borreby, or is he completely different?

https://imgur.com/a/dVRYuLV

Looks more med and Balkan CM

[Jingle Bell]

Paleo means some "primitive" looking, right?

More or less yeah, we use Paleo bcs resembles the phenotype of WHG's (The First Europeans from Paleolithic/Mesolithic), they were Tall, Strong Fisically, Robust, Dark and etc. . .
Like this guyhttps://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/388694e0-d873-4973-87d0-f37d225317c0/decge29-5059a2eb-f52b-4d08-959c-95457e8d415e.jpg/v1/fill/w_1280,h_1290,q_75,strp/cheddar_man_by_philipedwin_decge29-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI 1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNh NWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMT g4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7 ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTI5MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzM4ODY5NG UwLWQ4NzMtNDk3My04N2QwLWYzN2QyMjUzMTdjMFwvZGVjZ2Uy OS01MDU5YTJlYi1mNTJiLTRkMDgtOTU5Yy05NTQ1N2U4ZDQxNW UuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJu OnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.ERBrVv9HHEu 4pqcZXN5DhinZiX1GPRnv5pS5HYJ2VwI
Despite the odd skin colour compared to Europeans, if we imagine he with a pale skin he dont looks so diferent from Actual Europenas (Principally the Northern ones)
Now in comparacion a actual english guy, Borreby looking: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/6047d405b02148755fb6e601/0745281c-1b85-4d0d-8beb-996b8d79a875/page.jpg
They dont looks SO diferents despite the skin colour . .

If u want learn abt ancient europe i sugest u that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cs1CyO5B0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS038Vg_GXw&t=2s
Its a Topic which we talk a lot abt here in TA, and its a cool topic

[Oliver109]

well its a common West Germanic look, so its part of the phenotype range

She looks more typical of the western sphere up to Netherlands, maybe Denmark and Norway, looks Austrian too i agree

[PikusaMikusi]

More or less yeah, we use Paleo bcs resembles the phenotype of WHG's (The First Europeans from Paleolithic/Mesolithic), they were Tall, Strong Fisically, Robust, Dark and etc. . .
Like this guyhttps://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/388694e0-d873-4973-87d0-f37d225317c0/decge29-5059a2eb-f52b-4d08-959c-95457e8d415e.jpg/v1/fill/w_1280,h_1290,q_75,strp/cheddar_man_by_philipedwin_decge29-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI 1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNh NWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMT g4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7 ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTI5MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzM4ODY5NG UwLWQ4NzMtNDk3My04N2QwLWYzN2QyMjUzMTdjMFwvZGVjZ2Uy OS01MDU5YTJlYi1mNTJiLTRkMDgtOTU5Yy05NTQ1N2U4ZDQxNW UuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJu OnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.ERBrVv9HHEu 4pqcZXN5DhinZiX1GPRnv5pS5HYJ2VwI
Despite the odd skin colour compared to Europeans, if we imagine he with a pale skin he dont looks so diferent from Actual Europenas (Principally the Northern ones)
Now in comparacion a actual english guy, Borreby looking: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/6047d405b02148755fb6e601/0745281c-1b85-4d0d-8beb-996b8d79a875/page.jpg
They dont looks SO diferents despite the skin colour . .

If u want learn abt ancient europe i sugest u that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cs1CyO5B0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS038Vg_GXw&t=2s
Its a Topic which we talk a lot abt here in TA, and its a cool topic



Oh thanks for the reply
And then the "neolithic farmers" came to Europe, with a more gracile look, merged with the WHG and gave the actual europeans. Meds having a more "neolithic farmer" vibe and Englishmen, Nordics, a more WHG robust vibe. What I had understood. but I will check this topic further cause it interests me

[Jingle Bell]

Oh thanks for the reply
And then the "neolithic farmers" came to Europe, with a more gracile look, merged with the WHG and gave the actual europeans. Meds having a more "neolithic farmer" vibe and Englishmen, Nordics, a more WHG robust vibe. What I had understood. but I will check this topic further cause it interests me

Mainly yes, but u also need add the Proto-Indo-Europeans, who were lighter as ENF too, these guys introduced the IE languages which originated Proto-Germanic, which originated Early English which originated the language which we are speaking rn, aslo they introduced the ancestor of basically mainly European languages, and a lot of from ME, W. Asia and S. Asia and etc . . .
As u said ENF were more Gracile (Thats why Gracile-Med is associated with ENF) but there also Natufians Atlanto-Meds skulls, which indicated they were both Gracile and more Robust looking too, Atlanto-Med/Eurafricanid descripition:

"Atlanto Mediterranid proper type. Relatively old, present in early Natufians and European as well as North African megalith builders. Spread across the Mediterranean since the Mesolithic until Antiquity. Today common in Portugal, Eastern Spain (e.g. Valencia), Liguria, Western Switzerland, Wales, Croatia, North Algeria, Morocco, and Canary Islands. In Mesopotamia more diluted and transitional to Proto Iranid."

Abt Yamnaya/PIE is more complicated, abt 25% were blonde/light eyed but the majority was Dark haired and eyed, with robust faces and sometime convex noses, which its kinda strange since the PIE admixture peaks in Northern Europe, in the areas which we see the higher taxes of Blonde hair, light eyes and etc. . . so that part still kinda confuse for me

So anyway if u a list of phenotype associated with ancient europe will be more or less:

Gracile Med, Atlanto-Med, Pontid . . .- ENF
Faelid, P. Atlantid, Borreby . . - WHG, maybe PIE too? since they were robust too and withj a more "archaic" look

Yamnaya and others IE branchs faces:

Yamnaya culture - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-79ea34ee37c4e4c379eb5f086d7965b2-lq
Fatyanovo culture - https://i.redd.it/2vx4n1lfsw871.jpg
Yamnaya culture - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFNzrxBX0AoWbh1.jpg:large
Yamanya & Corded Ware culture faces - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c466a44048e4df072f55898d6e92b2cf-lq

[Beowulf]

Mainly yes, but u also need add the Proto-Indo-Europeans, who were lighter as ENF too, these guys introduced the IE languages which originated Proto-Germanic, which originated Early English which originated the language which we are speaking rn, aslo they introduced the ancestor of basically mainly European languages, and a lot of from ME, W. Asia and S. Asia and etc . . .
As u said ENF were more Gracile (Thats why Gracile-Med is associated with ENF) but there also Natufians Atlanto-Meds skulls, which indicated they were both Gracile and more Robust looking too, Atlanto-Med/Eurafricanid descripition:

"Atlanto Mediterranid proper type. Relatively old, present in early Natufians and European as well as North African megalith builders. Spread across the Mediterranean since the Mesolithic until Antiquity. Today common in Portugal, Eastern Spain (e.g. Valencia), Liguria, Western Switzerland, Wales, Croatia, North Algeria, Morocco, and Canary Islands. In Mesopotamia more diluted and transitional to Proto Iranid."

Abt Yamnaya/PIE is more complicated, abt 25% were blonde/light eyed but the majority was Dark haired and eyed, with robust faces and sometime convex noses, which its kinda strange since the PIE admixture peaks in Northern Europe, in the areas which we see the higher taxes of Blonde hair, light eyes and etc. . . so that part still kinda confuse for me

So anyway if u a list of phenotype associated with ancient europe will be more or less:

Gracile Med, Atlanto-Med, Pontid . . .- ENF
Faelid, P. Atlantid, Borreby . . - WHG, maybe PIE too? since they were robust too and withj a more "archaic" look

Yamnaya and others IE branchs faces:

Yamnaya culture - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-79ea34ee37c4e4c379eb5f086d7965b2-lq
Fatyanovo culture - https://i.redd.it/2vx4n1lfsw871.jpg
Yamnaya culture - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFNzrxBX0AoWbh1.jpg:large
Yamanya & Corded Ware culture faces - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c466a44048e4df072f55898d6e92b2cf-lq

the Corded Ware people looks more similar to modern northern european people than the Yamnaya, How is that? they are mostly Yamnaya genetically

[Jingle Bell]

the Corded Ware people looks more similar to modern northern european people than the Yamnaya, How is that? they are mostly Yamnaya genetically

Yeah thats part confuse me a lot, maybe what we see as "european" is the mix of that tree groups, so when we see that groups individually they dont look euro idk