Classify Benfica Striker Gonçalo Ramos [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

vader

01-06-2023, 07:41 PM

Mixed. As Portuguese as Deco.

I don't believe he is mixed. "Worthy of note, his full name is Gonçalo Matias Ramos. In his Portuguese name, the first name, Matias, is his maternal family name. Meanwhile, the second name, Ramos, is his paternal family. Imperatively, his parents are full-blooded Portuguese. The Benefica attacking player identifies with the Iberian ethnic group. They are Native Portuguese and form 95% of the whole population."

https://i.imgur.com/548AyjB.jpg

Father:

https://api.sportslulu.com/uploads//2022/12/61c82b9d-e488-4239-97b7-7403e7b7de89.jpg

https://media.tenor.com/Z4MwWSN7u50AAAAM/gon%C3%A7alo-ramos-benfica.gif

Oliver109

01-06-2023, 07:53 PM

Mixed. As Portuguese as Deco.

He looked quite white when a kid, hes from the south of Portugal, do you expect him to look pale?

PikusaMikusi

01-06-2023, 07:57 PM

He clearly has African ancestry. Looks quadroon
It's not just a tan. his features aren't 100% white

Immanenz

01-06-2023, 08:02 PM

Taforalt/NA shifted, on that bowling pic its evident

vader

01-06-2023, 08:05 PM

He clearly has African ancestry. Looks quadroon
It's not just a tan. his features aren't 100% white

Portuguese people got anywhere from 4-7% taforalt, and 0-2% ssa so could be due to that possibly.

vader

01-06-2023, 08:08 PM

Taforalt/NA shifted, on that bowling pic its evident

similar vibe to me imo

River Plate

01-06-2023, 08:13 PM

Berid?

Jingle Bell

01-06-2023, 08:15 PM

Trans-Med + some Berberid/NA
Very atypical, i guessed Morrocan

vader

01-06-2023, 08:15 PM

Trans-Med + maybe some Berberid
Very atypical, i guessed Morrocan

agreed, but at least as a kid very typical

Xacal

01-06-2023, 08:36 PM

Gracile Med + Berid. Pseudo-Mixed race

Damião de Góis

01-06-2023, 09:04 PM

Are we discussing if this guy is ethnic portuguese? Seriously?

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

Father:

https://i.imgur.com/nFQr6lr.jpg

That's the former Benfica president Luis Filipe Vieira. You need to improve your google translator. Or was this part of the trolling? I honestly don't know.

https://media.slbenfica.pt/-/media/benficadp/images/departamento-de-comunicacao/2020/clube/direcao/presidente/novas/28-marco/luis-filipe-vieira-3-new.jpg?v=637525267430000000

He looked quite white when a kid, hes from the south of Portugal, do you expect him to look pale?

People from south Portugal look like this, there is no bullfighting in northern Portugal:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323818-Portuguese-bullfighters

vader

01-06-2023, 09:24 PM

Are we discussing if this guy is ethnic portuguese? Seriously?

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

just mistake in posting - His father is in the second pic which is now first, initially that pic was another url right next to it and i misclicked the copy --aguia also found that mistake. I'm not trolling I'm just genuinely curious about his classification as he is an interesting looking guy. Whether or not he is mixed or not, which I sincerely doubt, will ultimately be up to you as there is no dna results you can compare him to other Portuguese. Aside from that he has Portuguese names and identifies as Portuguese clearly, it's not as obvious as other cases I've seen you dismiss because a "Portuguese" was living in, for example, Switzerland or born there speaking other foreign languages... because in Gonçalo's case he was born in Portugal and is homegrown. I am not trying to say these looks are common as they are not, but he could be ethically Portuguese why not?

Tsuin

01-06-2023, 09:30 PM

Transmed

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-06-2023, 09:48 PM

vader

01-06-2023, 09:50 PM

I don't like to exclude any Portuguese just for being exotic but in the case of Gonçalo Ramos I find it hard to believe that he doesn't have some recent foreign ancestry. Until recently, I always thought he was a Portuguese of African origin from an ex-colony.

Fair point. I mean I'm not one to troll anymore I was just curious precisely because he is not a typical look... hence why I was curious to begin with

Hoosierboy

01-06-2023, 09:58 PM

Descendant of a New Christian.

Jingle Bell

01-06-2023, 10:02 PM

Descendant of a New Christian.

Not even i think, New Christians were prob Levantine looking mixed with S. Euro, this guy looks fairly NA

Oliver109

01-06-2023, 10:06 PM

Are we discussing if this guy is ethnic portuguese? Seriously?

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

That's the former Benfica president Luis Filipe Vieira. You need to improve your google translator. Or was this part of the trolling? I honestly don't know.

https://media.slbenfica.pt/-/media/benficadp/images/departamento-de-comunicacao/2020/clube/direcao/presidente/novas/28-marco/luis-filipe-vieira-3-new.jpg?v=637525267430000000

People from south Portugal look like this, there is no bullfighting in northern Portugal:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323818-Portuguese-bullfighters

There are several dark folk in this pic, do you think they all have a Brazilian grandad? as for the guy in the thread, well he is dark but not extremely darker than many Portuguese nationals
https://i.imgur.com/j2TcgY2.jpeg

Damião de Góis

01-06-2023, 10:13 PM

There are several dark folk in this pic, do you think they all have a Brazilian grandad? as for the guy in the thread, well he is dark but not extremely darker than many Portuguese nationals

Does he fit there? What is your mongrelized opinion about that?

https://i.imgur.com/j2TcgY2.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/iaFSaHC.jpg

vader

01-06-2023, 10:15 PM

There are several dark folk in this pic, do you think they all have a Brazilian grandad? as for the guy in the thread, well he is dark but not extremely darker than many Portuguese nationals
https://i.imgur.com/j2TcgY2.jpeg

tbf Damião's skepticism is warranted.. although in reality unimportant, but anyway, this guy has a weird facial feature vibe. Hence why I was curious about his classification. Also the people in the picture no matter how dark pigmented have european-esque eurasian-like features, facial structure etc. as is expected and the common trait. While Ramos looks mixed-race to me and that has nothing to do with his skin pigmentation and everything to do with his facial features.

Whether or not he is a very exotic, anamoly native portuguese, or not. We probably will not find out, nor ever know unless his family tree is investigated or he does a dna test. We all know european countries have a spectrum of looks and sometimes interesting looking people can exist... me for example, although in comparison to this lad I'm not exotic at all. In the end, no one actually gives a fuck about that in the real world :thumb001:

Oliver109

01-06-2023, 10:20 PM

Does he fit there? What is your mongrelized opinion about that?

https://i.imgur.com/j2TcgY2.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/iaFSaHC.jpg

He doesn't look drastically out of place, his hair is more curly than the norm but it could by styling, his childhood picture he looks mainly white and with straighter lighter hair.

vader

01-06-2023, 10:24 PM

He doesn't look drastically out of place, his hair is more curly than the norm but it could by styling, his childhood picture he looks mainly white and with straighter lighter hair.

https://i.imgur.com/EvIW15Q.png

he definitely has a mixed-race vibe to him hard to not see that. Perhaps similar to me..

we are both algarvios anyhow.

Oliver109

01-06-2023, 10:41 PM

Jingle Bell

01-06-2023, 10:49 PM

https://i.imgur.com/EvIW15Q.png

he definitely has a mixed-race vibe to him hard to not see that. Perhaps similar to me.. please don't save:

https://i.imgur.com/OyW2kpq.png
https://i.imgur.com/N0ZHibc.jpg

we are both algarvios anyhow.

Yes he looks mixed, but maybe the Taforalt genes were juat stronger on his phenotype, who knows
But u lot common S. Euro man, u looks portuguese/spanish as fuck despite the a bit darker skin, but who cares if u are a bit " exotic", u are portuguese and thats what matters
I come here (TA) just bcs i was curious abt Phenotypes and genetics, but for some reason ppl here wants to be the most "pure" and be the most Nordic possible, and etc . . And when they see a atypical guy the first thing which they do is call him a mongrel or smth like that, but in real life no ones gives a shit if u are Lebanese and Nordic or if u are Scandinavian and Gracile-Med, every classification thread turns in to a fight, why not just chill and give honest opnions? Unlike some trolls do. . .

vader

01-06-2023, 10:53 PM

What percentage of people in Algarve have non Euro heritage?

I'm not sure your question? It's hard to say in a non-genetic lens because all iberians, and other south europeans have some sort of non-"euro" heritage. As an algarvio I genetically score quite similar to a Portuguese from any region from the southern most tip (where my family is near) to the Galician border if that answers your question. The variation in genetics in iberia is east to west not North to South.. besides tiny subtle traces that may be excluded or reduced in more northern isolated areas which makes 0 genomic significance when comparing those differences to the average (Olalde, 2019). To hammer the point even harder, there are north Portuguese who score similar non-euro to me, or even in some cases slightly higher and we are all as Portuguese as anyone else.

If you're asking about demographics of the Algarve in particular I also have no clue. But in Portugal 95% of the country according to most sources is ethnically Portuguese:

"Portugal is a fairly linguistically and religiously homogeneous country. Ethnically the Portuguese people form 95% of the total population in Portugal. The Portuguese people are mainly a combination of ancient paleolithic populations, and the proto-Celtic, Celtic and Iberian tribes, para-Celtic Lusitanians. Some other groups, like the Romans, Germanic (Visigoths, Suevi, Buri, Alans and Vandals) and later the Moorish (Arabs and Berber), Sephardic Jewish, and the French also passed through the country." ... Having all these different types of groups should and could already tell you why variation in phenotype pops up among ethnically native people of the same group.

..and of course slave trade brought slaves to the country which is why many Portuguese score some trace portion of ssa on genetic tests, not necessarily an indication of being a southerner even though the south has a high L mtdna (SSA marker) compared to the rest of the country. "Increasing frequencies are observed for Galicia (3.26%) and northern Portugal (3.21%), through the center (5.02%) and to the south of Portugal (11.38%)", (Pereira L, Cunha et al. 2005). Despite that, it can be seen all over the country, just slightly higher in the south... either way, that would be more on an individual basis.

Damião de Góis

01-06-2023, 11:06 PM

What percentage of people in Algarve have non Euro heritage?

Going by foreign born population it's second only to Lisbon region.

Gallop

01-06-2023, 11:10 PM

I think it has a relatively modern mix.

Oliver109

01-06-2023, 11:29 PM

Going by foreign born population it's second only to Lisbon region.

Well of course, would you say 60% or so White?

Oliver109

01-06-2023, 11:34 PM

I'm not sure your question? It's hard to say in a non-genetic lens because all iberians, and other south europeans have some sort of non-"euro" heritage. As an algarvio I genetically score quite similar to a Portuguese from any region from the southern most tip (where my family is near) to the Galician border if that answers your question. The variation in genetics in iberia is east to west not North to South.. besides tiny subtle traces that may be excluded or reduced in more northern isolated areas which makes 0 genomic significance when comparing those differences to the average (Olalde, 2019). To hammer the point even harder, there are north Portuguese who score similar non-euro to me, or even in some cases slightly higher and we are all as Portuguese as anyone else.

If you're asking about demographics of the Algarve in particular I also have no clue. But in Portugal 95% of the country according to most sources is ethnically Portuguese:

"Portugal is a fairly linguistically and religiously homogeneous country. Ethnically the Portuguese people form 95% of the total population in Portugal. The Portuguese people are mainly a combination of ancient paleolithic populations, and the proto-Celtic, Celtic and Iberian tribes, para-Celtic Lusitanians. Some other groups, like the Romans, Germanic (Visigoths, Suevi, Buri, Alans and Vandals) and later the Moorish (Arabs and Berber), Sephardic Jewish, and the French also passed through the country." ... Having all these different types of groups should and could already tell you why variation in phenotype pops up among ethnically native people of the same group.

..and of course slave trade brought slaves to the country which is why many Portuguese score some trace portion of ssa on genetic tests, not necessarily an indication of being a southerner even though the south has a high L mtdna (SSA marker) compared to the rest of the country. "Increasing frequencies are observed for Galicia (3.26%) and northern Portugal (3.21%), through the center (5.02%) and to the south of Portugal (11.38%)", (Pereira L, Cunha et al. 2005). Despite that, it can be seen all over the country, just slightly higher in the south... either way, that would be more on an individual basis.

Well Lisbon is an exception, an incredibly non white city, compared even to Madrid it seems like very second person you see there is from somewhere outside Portugal, a cosmopolitan city like London very much so(and indeed many have migrated to London, especially the Brazilian and Indian descended people from Lisbon)

Ruggery

01-06-2023, 11:42 PM

If Goncalo Ramos was Argentine, I bet he would be classified as Castizo.

Cristiano viejo

01-07-2023, 10:57 PM

Portuguese people got anywhere from 4-7% taforalt, and 0-2% ssa so could be due to that possibly.
And such amounts dont affect their phenotype, boy.

He looked quite white when a kid, hes from the south of Portugal, do you expect him to look pale?
Absolutely. Who gave you the power to think pale people only exist in UK, mongrel?

There are several dark folk in this pic, do you think they all have a Brazilian grandad? as for the guy in the thread, well he is dark but not extremely darker than many Portuguese nationals
https://i.imgur.com/j2TcgY2.jpeg
All of them pass in UK. Not a big deal, I know.

If Goncalo Ramos was Argentine, I bet he would be classified as Castizo.
And as he is "Portuguese" he is classified like Berid Gracile Med, lmaoooooooo

Ranger0075

01-07-2023, 11:10 PM

If Goncalo Ramos was Argentine, I bet he would be classified as Castizo.

Taxonomy section = waste of time. Just give anyone a different flag and then results is gonna change.

Ruggery

01-07-2023, 11:24 PM

And as he is "Portuguese" he is classified like Berid Gracile Med, lmaoooooooo
I have seen that nationality greatly influences taxonomy classifications.

Ruggery

01-07-2023, 11:25 PM

Taxonomy section = waste of time. Just give anyone a different flag and then results is gonna change.

People are often not objective.

Oliver109

01-07-2023, 11:34 PM

And such amounts dont affect their phenotype, boy.

Absolutely. Who gave you the power to think pale people only exist in UK, mongrel?

All of them pass in UK. Not a big deal, I know.

And as he is "Portuguese" he is classified like Berid Gracile Med, lmaoooooooo

Well since the "pale" people you post are actually not pale at all 90% of the time i am not so sure. Of course the people above pass in the UK, as immigrant cafe workers.

Cristiano viejo

01-07-2023, 11:42 PM

Well since the "pale" people you post are actually not pale at all 90% of the time i am not so sure. Of course the people above pass in the UK, as immigrant cafe workers.

I know you are the real expert about paleness, especially when called Med and dark to those French or when claimed this British
https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/shutterstock_9264576ac-cropped-e1556183614204.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1

was lighter than this Spanish :laugh2:
https://www.latribunadealbacete.es/media/IMG/2022/90A455EF-B981-087E-A84BA56CF20B51F8.webp

Oliver109

01-08-2023, 12:10 AM

I know you are the real expert about paleness, especially when called Med and dark to those French or when claimed this British
https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/shutterstock_9264576ac-cropped-e1556183614204.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1

was lighter than this Spanish :laugh2:
https://www.latribunadealbacete.es/media/IMG/2022/90A455EF-B981-087E-A84BA56CF20B51F8.webp

Lol, still looks 100% light and English and pale and so does his family
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/NINTCHDBPICT000336106341.jpg?crop=0px%2C419px%2C29 86px%2C1990px&resize=620%2C413

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 12:19 AM

Lol, still looks 100% light and English and pale and so does his family

If that swarthy guy, or Orlando Bloom as you claimed, looks 100% light and English then I have nothing more to add :laugh2:

Brend9495

01-08-2023, 11:23 AM

Jingle Bell

01-08-2023, 11:42 AM

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 12:24 PM

Brend9495

01-08-2023, 04:27 PM

Yes i agree the dad pass for algerian but he look more dark Portuguese than NA for me. And the tan is because the picture was in summer. And the mother look very Portuguese. The dad is from Amareleja, a village in south Portugal. I doubt he is mixed with non euro! Gonçalo Ramos is clearly fully Portuguese. Of course he is not the most typical Portuguese but still fully. He is like the « Simao Sabrosa» of the new génération

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 04:39 PM

Beowulf

01-08-2023, 04:41 PM

Damião de Góis

01-08-2023, 05:00 PM

I can't believe this is still a discussion.

https://i.imgur.com/IAWcESo.png

He is fully Portuguese, both parents look very Portuguese. https://www.record.pt/internacional/competicoes-de-selecoes/mundial/mundial-2022/portugal/detalhe/pai-de-goncalo-ramos-a-record-uma-noite-para-mais-tarde-recordar

I wonder who could have the motivation of making this guy an ethnic portuguese? I can think of brazucas or possibly italic rooters (and Luso i guess :rolleyes:). Which one are you?

Brend9495

01-08-2023, 05:46 PM

Damião de Góis

01-08-2023, 05:58 PM

Haha im french/Portuguese. And i say he is not the most typical Portuguese of course but i don’t think he has other origins ( my opinion). I don’t want exclude people who are possibily Portuguese ( the parents don’t look out of place,i don’t see non euro personally )just because they don’t look « stéréotype Portugais « So i have a question, if Gonçalo Ramos is not fully Portuguese, what are his other origins ? Because he is not Cigano or Br. And the Parents don’t look africains influenced for me, i see portuguese like that regularly in France ( Val de Marne or others département Île de France )

Yes i'm sure you are french/portuguese and you just created this account to come here to say Gonçalo Ramos is fully portuguese. I mean, what possible mixture could he have? You see portuguese people like him France all the time...

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

Brend9495

01-08-2023, 06:16 PM

vader

01-08-2023, 06:34 PM

you can find sometimes non european blood in souther portugal from colonial era or modern immigrations from places like Cape Verde

i think it's a bit of a misconception. You can find non euro in most coastal areas from north to south of Portugal. And it's not just coastal either... we have Portuguese here from inner north who get ssa and north african. It's not just south Portugal, but I suppose it's maybe more common traces in the south. We don't know exactly.

vader

01-08-2023, 06:37 PM

He is fully Portuguese, both parents look very Portuguese. https://www.record.pt/internacional/competicoes-de-selecoes/mundial/mundial-2022/portugal/detalhe/pai-de-goncalo-ramos-a-record-uma-noite-para-mais-tarde-recordar

thanks for the picture. Yes seems he is fully Portuguese just with a more atypical look. Not impossible, but we will never know if his family has non-Portuguese so this discussion is pointless now. I myself on here was questioned for my origin based strictly on phenotype before my dna results were published. Most people think I'm italian or greek though.

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 06:40 PM

I myself on here was questioned for my origin based strictly on phenotype before my dna results were published.

And later too :thumb001:

Damião de Góis

01-08-2023, 06:41 PM

Yes i am haha m’y father is Portuguese from Minho ( Many Portuguese in France are from Minho )i’m not a troll. No no i see people like the parents regularly but Gonçalo Ramos like i say he is very atypical as Simao Sabrosa. What mixture coule he have ? He look NA ( but kid look very very Portuguese ) for me not mixed with black. But i don’t think à Guy called Gonçalo Matias Ramos �� have Maghrébines origins

But of course you are, and you created this account just to come and say this.

Portugal doesn't have ex-african colonies and has no black people and no mixed people. And these mixed people don't have portuguese names, of course not.

So the only mixture he could have would only be north african. Makes total sense.

Beowulf

01-08-2023, 06:42 PM

i think it's a bit of a misconception. You can find non euro in most coastal areas from north to south of Portugal. And it's not just coastal either... we have Portuguese here from inner north who get ssa and north african. It's not just south Portugal, but I suppose it's maybe more common there. We don't know exactly.

i think is more common in south becuase it was a more commerciant part of Portugal that a lot of people came and went the same case here in Spain with Balearic Islands i can't confirm if there were portuguese who mixed with people of their colonies but is my theory for this guy that he can have some SSA or maybe is atypical iberian from those who have NA .

the NA component is usually more commonly found in west Iberia so is another possibility but that doesn't mean that he is not portuguese

Brend9495

01-08-2023, 06:52 PM

But of course you are, and you created this account just to come and say this.

Portugal doesn't have ex-african colonies and has no black people and no mixed people. And these mixed people don't have portuguese names, of course not.

So the only mixture he could have would only be north african. Makes total sense.
No i just don’t excluded people who are possibly Portuguese because they look North African or other. Yes maybe he have africains origins but from far ,because the parents look Portuguese for me i see nothing black or black influence, Gonçalo is just a dark version of the father.

vader

01-08-2023, 06:56 PM

And later too :thumb001:

Yes which proves my point tenfold

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 07:07 PM

Yes which proves my point tenfold

It proves nothing, you look like a Gypsy, that is for something.

Mingle

01-08-2023, 07:26 PM

And such amounts dont affect their phenotype, boy.
There are numerous Eastern and Northern Europeans that look part East Asian despite being only 0-2% EA, but nobody questions their ancestry.

Garza Blanca

01-08-2023, 07:29 PM

There are numerous Eastern Europeans that look part East Asian despite being only 0-2% EA, but nobody questions their ancestry.

Boy, the guy in the pics looks Quadroon, no way 2% would justify his phenotype.

2% doesnt influentiate at all

vader

01-08-2023, 07:29 PM

There are numerous Eastern Europeans that look part East Asian despite being only 0-2% EA, but nobody questions their ancestry.

He says it doesnt affect phenotype… yet says i look gypsy. Hes an idiot troll ignore him

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 07:30 PM

There are numerous Eastern Europeans that look part East Asian despite being only 0-2% EA, but nobody questions their ancestry.

I do.

Mingle

01-08-2023, 07:32 PM

Boy, the guy in the pics looks Quadroon, no way 2% would justify his phenotype.

2% doesnt influentiate at all

Then how do you explain the Eastern/Northern Europeans that look 1/4 East Asian?

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 07:36 PM

Then how do you explain the Eastern/Northern Europeans that look 1/4 East Asian?

Dominiggas are black even if genetically they just are 30-40%

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/c5/86/69/la-gente-de-alofoke-radio.jpg

why are you mad if some of us dont think people like this Gonzalo Ramos, or like the user Luso, are pure Iberians??

Jingle Bell

01-08-2023, 07:38 PM

Dominiggas are black even if genetically they just are 30-40%

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/c5/86/69/la-gente-de-alofoke-radio.jpg

why are you mad if some of us dont think people like this Gonzalo Ramos, or like the user Luso, are pure Iberians??

Wait, If u think 30% - 40% SSA guys are blacks how much they need to be white? 15%? 10??
Also generally they dont looks that ssa, generally looks Terceroon

vader

01-08-2023, 07:46 PM

Wait, If u think 30% - 40% SSA guys are blacks how much they need to be white? 15%? 10??
Also generally they dont looks that ssa, generally looks Terceroon

If he thinks a genetically typical euro Portuguese looks gyspy (me) yet says that Portuguese’s 0-2% ssa and 4-7% taforalt admixture has no affect on phenotype youre working with a contradictory idiot. Thats when you ignore my friend. He is too stupid to realize the contradiction lol… that spanish education system really isnt helping :rolleyes:

Jingle Bell

01-08-2023, 07:59 PM

If he thinks a genetically typical euro Portuguese looks gyspy (me) yet says that Portuguese’s 0-2% ssa and 4-7% taforalt admixture has no affect on phenotype youre working with a contradictory idiot. Thats when you ignore my friend. He is too stupid to realize the contradiction lol… that spanish education system really isnt helping :rolleyes:

I mean, can Gonçalos be mixed? Sure
But can he be a full portuguese? Sure too
Who knows why he have such a look, can be from NA's, can be from Phoenicians, can be from anything who left a minimal genetic mark in iberia, its normal see a guy who look 1 in 1.000.000 this happen in any place, honestly idk why a fight for such a simple topic, skin colour seens a sensive topic here . . .
I also dont agree him opnion abt dominicans, for me if he is more than 85% SSA so he is black, independent abt his look, and these guys are prob closer to Swedes than to Nigerians so whats the point?
I alr said others time but u just look a tanned iberian, but ppl seens look more to skin than to features so

Damião de Góis

01-08-2023, 08:09 PM

No i just don’t excluded people who are possibly Portuguese because they look North African or other. Yes maybe he have africains origins but from far ,because the parents look Portuguese for me i see nothing black or black influence, Gonçalo is just a dark version of the father.

Of course you don't exclude anyone, so much that you created an account just to come here and say this guy was fully portuguese, you see nothing black in him and he doesn't have maghrebi surnames so he must be fully portuguese :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

The fact that you ignored Portugal's black and mixed population makes me think you are not portuguese. But if you are, it just shows how retarded and clueless the portuguese diaspora is. They make threads and accounts to try to pass obvious mixed people as portuguese. I don't know for what reason or with what motivation.

I mean, can Gonçalos be mixed? Sure
But can he be a full portuguese? Sure too

If you think this guy can be fully portuguese, then i guess every brazilian can pass as portuguese too.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

Jingle Bell

01-08-2023, 08:20 PM

Of course you don't exclude anyone, so much that you created an account just to come here and say this guy was fully portuguese, you see nothing black in him and he doesn't have maghrebi surnames so he must be fully portuguese :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

The fact that you ignored Portugal's black and mixed population makes me think you are not portuguese. But if you are, it just shows how retarded and clueless the portuguese diaspora is. They make threads and accounts to try to pass obvious mixed people as portuguese. I don't know for what reason or with what motivation.

If you think this guy can be fully portuguese, then i guess every brazilian can pass as portuguese too.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

As i said, if he is just look like 1 in 1.000.000? I alr said he looks very very atypical i would guess Morrocan, but if the only information which we got is that he and both parents are portuguese (at least by nacionality) thats sugest that or he is portuguese or he is descedant of a imigrants which are in Portugal since some time ago, but who knows? He obviously dont look portuguese, but which prove we actually have saying that he is not?

He can be a grandson of brazilians mixed races? Yep, but we just dont know

Brend9495

01-08-2023, 08:29 PM

Of course you don't exclude anyone, so much that you created an account just to come here and say this guy was fully portuguese, you see nothing black in him and he doesn't have maghrebi surnames so he must be fully portuguese :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

The fact that you ignored Portugal's black and mixed population makes me think you are not portuguese. But if you are, it just shows how retarded and clueless the portuguese diaspora is. They make threads and accounts to try to pass obvious mixed people as portuguese. I don't know for what reason or with what motivation.

If you think this guy can be fully portuguese, then i guess every brazilian can pass as portuguese too.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous.
He is for me maybe not in reality ! Yes i don’t see black when i see the picture when he was kid. I don’t ignore but Gonçalo Ramos is not from Lisboa or Porto. And not from Algarve too because the father is a ex football player from Alentejo. The problem is. you have nothing to prove that Gonçalo is mixed, only a picture where is more dark. And i don’t want pass mixed people for Portuguese, i just want people don’t exclude « exotic « people from Portugal or Southern Euro in général because they don’t look as they would like.

Damião de Góis

01-08-2023, 08:36 PM

He is for me maybe not in reality ! Yes i don’t see black when i see the picture when he was kid. I don’t ignore but Gonçalo Ramos is not from Lisboa or Porto. And not from Algarve too because the father is a ex football player from Alentejo. The problem is. you have nothing to prove that Gonçalo is mixed, only a picture where is more dark. And i don’t want pass mixed people for Portuguese, i just want people don’t exclude « exotic « people from Portugal or Southern Euro in général because they don’t look as they would like.

Why do i need to prove anything? His picture is more than obvious. You think there are only black or mixed people in Lisbon and Porto? Then you are more clueless than i thought.

You are trying hard, and even bothered creating an account. First you claimed his surnames were enough to prove he was portuguese, and now it's the fact he is not from Lisbon or Porto, so he can't be mixed. Like i said, absolutely ridiculous.

Mingle

01-08-2023, 08:40 PM

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 09:11 PM

I just said 0-2% could possibly effect phenotype.
I dont think so.

Mingle

01-08-2023, 09:16 PM

I dont think so.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96245-Mongolian-Eurasian-Facade

Cristiano viejo

01-08-2023, 09:18 PM

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?96245-Mongolian-Eurasian-Facade

Did you analyzed the dna of these Euromongols?

vader

01-09-2023, 04:25 PM

Two up and coming full Portuguese talents next to each other!

https://i.imgur.com/DzvgmPw.jpg

Cristiano viejo

01-09-2023, 04:46 PM

^ guy on the right looks indeed very Portuguese/Spanish.

vader

01-09-2023, 06:15 PM

^ guy on the right looks indeed very Portuguese/Spanish.

guy on the left cant pass for Spaniard?

Beowulf

01-09-2023, 06:19 PM

guy on the left cant pass for Spaniard?

there is a Youtuber from Malaga who looks a bit like him, the youtuber is named IlloJuan if u want to search it well maybe IlloJuan is more Atlanto-med and the guy from left seems more CM

Cristiano viejo

01-09-2023, 06:35 PM

guy on the left cant pass for Spaniard?

Of course he cant.

Damião de Góis

01-09-2023, 09:28 PM

Two up and coming full Portuguese talents next to each other!

https://i.imgur.com/DzvgmPw.jpg

Full portuguese, fits especially well among the diaspora.

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

vader

01-09-2023, 10:06 PM

Full portuguese, fits especially well among the diaspora.

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

Yes I'm a diaspora and you know my DNA results... So different, so exotic, not native clearly. Being sarcastic but you know what I'm going to say. I think it may be a way for you to cope if I'm being honest.

Marshall Theodore

01-14-2023, 11:46 PM

Clearly mixed-race!

Assuming this individual as ethnic portuguese is a grotesque misconception

Cristiano viejo

01-14-2023, 11:50 PM

Clearly mixed-race!

Assuming this individual as ethnic portuguese is a grotesque misconception

OP resembles Mortimer. He wants to show exotic Europeans (in this case not even that) to justify his own exoticism.

Marshall Theodore

01-14-2023, 11:51 PM

OP resembles Mortimer. He wants to show exotic Europeans (in this case not even that) to justify his own exoticism.

Exactly.

vader

01-15-2023, 01:26 AM

Exactly.

Cope.

https://i.imgur.com/JbP82cG.jpg

not only am I 100% ethnically Portuguese, I look south european - particularly Mediterranean.

Incal

01-15-2023, 02:36 AM

Who knows why he have such a look, can be from NA's, can be from Phoenicians, can be from anything who left a minimal genetic mark in iberia, its normal see a guy who look 1 in 1.000.000 this happen in any place, honestly idk why a fight for such a simple topic, skin colour seens a sensive topic here . . .

On this forum it's a matter of life and death.

Cristiano viejo

01-15-2023, 10:14 AM

not only am I 100% ethnically Portuguese, I look south european - particularly Mediterranean.

Not true.

vader

01-15-2023, 02:58 PM

Not true.

Pa, you wish I wasn't. But here I am :p Do a DNA test and let's see how Spanish you really are! Until then your opinion has 0 merit... In this case, even with a DNA test showing you're 100% Spanish (I have a good feeling it won't) your opinion will still be invalid because I'm far too typical genetically in the Iberian cluster for you to even cry that I'm a foreign "gypsy" - this is the biggest cope of your time on the forum by far

Cristiano viejo

01-15-2023, 03:54 PM

Pa, you wish I wasn't. But here I am :p Do a DNA test and let's see how Spanish you really are! Until then your opinion has 0 merit... In this case, even with a DNA test showing you're 100% Spanish (I have a good feeling it won't) your opinion will still be invalid because I'm far too typical genetically in the Iberian cluster for you to even cry that I'm a foreign "gypsy" - this is the biggest cope of your time on the forum by far

:pound:

Brend9495

01-15-2023, 05:11 PM

Clearly mixed-race!

Assuming this individual as ethnic portuguese is a grotesque misconception The both parents look Portuguese ( in the dark side but still ), all family too ( i see in Facebook). If he is mixed i’ts probably like 10 15 % of non euro but i don’t think he is mixed. He’s just à very atypical Portuguese like Esgaio, Cancelo, Simao Sabrosa or others

Marshall Theodore

01-15-2023, 05:20 PM

The both parents look Portuguese ( in the dark side but still ), all family too ( i see in Facebook). If he is mixed i’ts probably like 10 15 % of non euro but i don’t think he is mixed. He’s just à very atypical Portuguese like Esgaio, Cancelo, Simao Sabrosa or others

He looks Quadroon, might be at least 20% non-euro.

Pass very here as pardo

vader

01-15-2023, 05:24 PM

He looks Quadroon, might be at least 20% non-euro.

Pass very here as pardo

some exotic full south euros can pass like that... some even here argue I am an example of that. Although, the vast majority see me as quite typical. That confusion seems to be a problem only on a site like this among people with agendas on the standard they want for "their" people.. even though I'm part of that pool, like it or not. Of course, my genetics merit that fact even more as I'm extremely typical, as are my parents -- and you got 100s of threads of my results that you can compare to other iberians to make your own conclusions. And you want an answer to before? Well I don't darkwash at all... in truth I just simply accept that some more atypical darker looking Portuguese, and other european-population people can be fully native, just like a very pale swedish-looking iberian could be 100% iberian genetically. I am tired of the double-standard and clear bias to lighter featured ones. Quite frankly 40 yr old men on this forum who have been here for 10+ years and who are still following that same agenda as if their opinion changes reality are non-negotiable, losers.

vader

01-15-2023, 10:34 PM

Gonçalo Ramos played amazing against Sporting today! Great upcoming native Portuguese talent

Carl_uhul

07-15-2023, 09:46 PM

Damião de Góis

07-15-2023, 10:28 PM

From what I've researched, he apparently isn't of foreign descent such as Eusébio, Quaresma, Deco, Pepe, Eder, Rafael Leão and other Portuguese-born footballers who have foreign background - but, among the ethnic Portuguese people, he is the most atypical Iberian I have ever seen. Looks quadroon.

Atlanto-Med + Berid + minor Sudanid

Well, if you've done your research and found out that he is 100% portuguese (since he doesn't look like Rafael Leão):

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

Then that pretty much opens the door so that every brazuca in the world can pass as portuguese. Congratulations, you've made it.

Carl_uhul

07-16-2023, 12:56 AM

Well, if you've done your research and found out that he is 100% portuguese (since he doesn't look like Rafael Leão):

https://i.imgur.com/3XEKybT.jpg

Then that pretty much opens the door so that every brazuca in the world can pass as portuguese. Congratulations, you've made it.

I can write all the sources here proving those guys I mentioned before aren't ethnic Portuguese. But I can't find a single source or a single proof that this guy isn't fully Portuguese. His parents even look 100% Iberian (despite not the most typical ones), although he doesn't look much like his parents.
Also, you cherrypicked very well. He doesn't look like a mulatto in all his pics (like in the one you posted).

https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/027e-173550d378d5-a624a042e7b6-1000/format/wide1/277567740_10166316388285716_8572101485578529138_n. jpeg

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 04:08 AM

He looked quite white when a kid, hes from the south of Portugal, do you expect him to look pale?

He looked already different from other kids, not because of the skin tone ( he looks like to be a natural type IV and nowadays with the tan has a type V tone ) but because of the facial features which are totally off.

https://www.futeboldivertido.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/IMG_4939.jpeg

https://cdn.record.pt/images/2020-07/img_920x518$2020_07_23_02_26_44_1730453.jpg

He doesn't even looks like the usual exotic types of the region like the second man from the left (opposite side from the one with the circle), I live in the Algarve and he doesn't look local even on the exotic spectrum. His features show clearly recent African admixture imo.

https://thumbs.web.sapo.io/?W=2100&H=0&delay_optim=1&epic=ZDQ2rt6clojRtQu/WiVK0opNLHNL3zLunqyznjcBfrwkRSLhdiMs7xem9QfDoJkeHO Mk0rJdyNyyLN90ldL29qACT7wVqkIPuA2w/Yjh7lOoa58=

I don't like to exclude any Portuguese just for being exotic but in the case of Gonçalo Ramos I find it hard to believe that he doesn't have some recent foreign ancestry. Until recently, I always thought he was a Portuguese of African origin from an ex-colony.

It's indeed a strange case since he looks way more exotic than both his parents, that indicates he may got his features from a mixed grandparent(s). I also read that his mother name is Nee Matias, that also points to a foreign background (possibly colonial or Brazilian), I've never seen that name among natives or even ever met anyone with name, so a foreign/mixed ancestry on that side would explain it.

ugochaves

07-16-2023, 05:43 AM

Mixed. As Portuguese as Deco.
I have never seen the Portuguese. But one Algerian here said that he is a real European, and the Portuguese are migrants. I didn't believe him. But this picture... I don't know who to believe. When I was in Spain, were I surrounded by Algerians or Spaniards?

Tooting Carmen

07-16-2023, 08:46 AM

His hair texture and mouth make him look like he has some SSA.

Rafael Passoni

07-16-2023, 10:53 AM

Very, very, very exotic.

Brend9495

07-16-2023, 12:43 PM

Damião de Góis

07-16-2023, 12:47 PM

I can write all the sources here proving those guys I mentioned before aren't ethnic Portuguese. But I can't find a single source or a single proof that this guy isn't fully Portuguese. His parents even look 100% Iberian (despite not the most typical ones), although he doesn't look much like his parents.

Sure, you are gonna find articles about every mixed people in Portugal telling how they are mixed and with pictures of their family. Portugal is a racist country like that.
Have you seen pictures of the grandparents to be so sure about the parents? Not that you would have the best judgment, as is evident with this thread.

Also, you cherrypicked very well. He doesn't look like a mulatto in all his pics (like in the one you posted).

https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/027e-173550d378d5-a624a042e7b6-1000/format/wide1/277567740_10166316388285716_8572101485578529138_n. jpeg

Yeah, it's not like i'm a Benfica fan an watch him every week, i need a brazuca to come and tell me how he looks like. That's what brazucas do in this forum, they teach people from other continents.

The picture i posted is a frontal picture where he has no beard, it's very clear. But no, your picture of him smiling from an angle is much better.
If you prefer more recent pictures where he has a beard, i don't know what difference it makes:

https://i.imgur.com/CX1WEl9.png
https://storage.fussballdaten.de/source/1//person/imago/47955639//47955639.jpeg
https://www.estadao.com.br/resizer/4J7jlK7HDHasTDXFkXgSScUOtDM=/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-estadao/public/7JHYNFCE4ZAP5LV5QOHLSCKARQ.jpg
https://i2-prod.football.london/incoming/article25735810.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_GettyImages-1245561508.jpg

It's comical and at the same time bizarre that this thread is 10 pages of foreigners saying this guy is 100% portuguese and has no recent mixture at all. In the case of brazucas, i've noticed they are very confused about how portuguese people look like. For example, i noticed that TA brazucas aren't aware that Portugal has a mixed and black population since decades or more. So here is visual aid, if it's so difficult:

https://i.imgur.com/c88xvpR.png
https://i.imgur.com/LpRfkHu.jpg

Tooting Carmen

07-16-2023, 03:14 PM

Mind you, Carlos Alcaraz (who I am watching right now in the Wimbledon Men's Final) is only marginally less exotic than this guy.

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 03:16 PM

I think he is the « Simao Sabrosa « of the new génération. Of course he doesn’t look average Portuguese but from what i seen, Both parents are portuguese, i search in all ( Facebook, Instagram) and doesn’t see a non Portuguese member in the family of Gonçalo Ramos( at least in the appearence). The Father of Gonçalo look darker than average but still pass for «exotic « portuguese.

He is way more exotic than Simão Sabrosa, no comparison, and looked off since childhood. Besides I've already posted that his mother name is Nee Matias, that name is non existent among native Portuguese people, I've never heard of it or met anyone with that name Nee, this points clearly to a mixed/non native background (possibly ex colonial from Angola-Mozambique or Brazilian). But it's amusing to see that you and other users that don't live in Portugal and know very little of our history insisting that both his parents are fully ethnic Portuguese.

Jankec

07-16-2023, 03:35 PM

He is way more exotic than Simão Sabrosa, no comparison, and looked off since childhood. Besides I've already posted that his mother name is Nee Matias, that name is non existent among native Portuguese people, I've never heard of it or met anyone with that name Nee, this points clearly to a mixed/non native background (possibly ex colonial from Angola-Mozambique or Brazilian). But it's amusing to see that you and other users that don't live in Portugal and know very little of our history insisting that both his parents are fully ethnic Portuguese.

Does Joao Felix have "mixed/non native background"? Or Carlos Alcaraz? I'm not so obsessed with classifications, skin tones etc., but I would say that some Iberians (not all of them) have such look.

Brend9495

07-16-2023, 03:39 PM

He is way more exotic than Simão Sabrosa, no comparison, and looked off since childhood. Besides I've already posted that his mother name is Nee Matias, that name is non existent among native Portuguese people, I've never heard of it or met anyone with that name Nee, this points clearly to a mixed/non native background (possibly ex colonial from Angola-Mozambique or Brazilian). But it's amusing to see that you and other users that don't live in Portugal and know very little of our history insisting that both his parents are fully ethnic Portuguese.
Its your opinion ! But i don’t think he is way more exotic than Simão. Yes if the name is really Nee its sound non Portuguese, maybe the mother have a little non Portuguese, because in appearence she look Portuguese for me but this mean nothing! Personally when i see a «exotic «Portuguese ( footballeur un general) i search in Facebook or insta for see if he is mixed or not. But i never say he look Portuguese or something. He doesn’t even look exotic Portuguese

Brend9495

07-16-2023, 03:42 PM

Does Joao Felix have "mixed/non native background"? Or Carlos Alcaraz? I'm not so obsessed with classifications, skin tones etc., but I would say that some Iberians (not all of them) have such look.

João Félix is exotic but some Portuguese look like that, the case of Ramos is very différent i think and Carlos Alcaraz is the same as João.

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 04:34 PM

I have never seen the Portuguese. But one Algerian here said that he is a real European, and the Portuguese are migrants. I didn't believe him. But this picture... I don't know who to believe. When I was in Spain, were I surrounded by Algerians or Spaniards?

Of course that in Spain you were surrounded by Algerians and if you go to Algeria or to among rioters in Paris or Marseille you'll be surrounded by Portuguese migrants who look like Gonçalo Ramos. :dizzy:

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 05:12 PM

Does Joao Felix have "mixed/non native background"? Or Carlos Alcaraz? I'm not so obsessed with classifications, skin tones etc., but I would say that some Iberians (not all of them) have such look.

No, João Félix is fully Portuguese as far as I know and fits in the spectrum, completely different from Ramos.

Brend9495

07-16-2023, 06:27 PM

João Félix features are clearly Portuguese, i think he is darkwashed because the olive tone, in comparison Gonçalo Ramos is exotic in all things ( black jet curly hair, mena influenced features and olive skin). I’ts clearly not the same.

parsley

07-16-2023, 06:29 PM

Trans Mediterranid

Jankec

07-16-2023, 08:14 PM

Its your opinion ! But i don’t think he is way more exotic than Simão. Yes if the name is really Nee its sound non Portuguese, maybe the mother have a little non Portuguese, because in appearence she look Portuguese for me but this mean nothing! Personally when i see a «exotic «Portuguese ( footballeur un general) i search in Facebook or insta for see if he is mixed or not. But i never say he look Portuguese or something. He doesn’t even look exotic Portuguese

"Nee" means maiden name in English, it's not a name, lol.

nee Mathias=born Mathias

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 09:40 PM

"Nee" means maiden name in English, it's not a name, lol.

nee Mathias=born Mathias

No, the text is in Portuguese and all sources say that her name is Nee (with a capital N an written in the middle of a sentence), which is a non existent among native Portuguese. It has nothing to do with what you are saying. Besides it wouldn't make any sense even in English since Matias is not a female name, it is the surname of her father, her name is Nee Matias and that tells that person wasn't born in Portugal or has surely mixed ancestry, nobody has that name here.

https://lifebogger.com/pt/goncalo-ramos-inf%C3%A2ncia-biografia-hist%C3%B3ria-fatos/

Jambudvīpa

07-16-2023, 09:41 PM

not white. But there are of course Portuguese people who are trans Med so its believable that is he still ethnically Portuguese

Jambudvīpa

07-16-2023, 09:53 PM

Mind you, Carlos Alcaraz (who I am watching right now in the Wimbledon Men's Final) is only marginally less exotic than this guy.

Every Iberian here copes with calling guys like Alcaraz, Rodri, Busquets, Ramos, etc. jews or gypsies which is just hilarious.

Thorn

07-16-2023, 09:56 PM

Dinaro-Med + Saharid

Carl_uhul

07-16-2023, 10:19 PM

No, the text is in Portuguese and all sources say that her name is Nee (with a capital N an written in the middle of a sentence), which is a non existent among native Portuguese. It has nothing to do with what you are saying. Besides it wouldn't make any sense even in English since Matias is not a female name, it is the surname of her father, her name is Nee Matias and that tells that person wasn't born in Portugal or has surely mixed ancestry, nobody has that name here.

https://lifebogger.com/pt/goncalo-ramos-inf%C3%A2ncia-biografia-hist%C3%B3ria-fatos/

So what? Here in Brazil, you see people with names not only such as João, José, Pedro, Miguel, Paulo etc but also Bryan, Oliver, Richard, Herbert, Michael etc and all of them are ok and are common names
You can choose whatever name you want to your kid, but what you can't choose is their surname (which is indeed what indicates their ethnicity - in exception of cases such as slave people from settled countries who got their surname from their settlers and in adoption cases, which is the case of Balotelli for example).
So, it means nothing at all that his mother's name is Nee. If her surname were Nee or any other non-Portuguese surname, that would be a different story. But the name not being a Latin name means nothing about her ancestry or ethnicity.

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 10:25 PM

Every Iberian here copes with calling guys like Alcaraz, Rodri, Busquets, Ramos, etc. jews or gypsies which is just hilarious.

Nobody has said that Ramos is Jew or gypsy, don't lie. What it was said is that he probably has recent African ancestry (after the decolonization of Angola and Mozambique in 1975 Portugal received almost 1 million from the ex colonies, many were fully ethnic Portuguese but also many were mixed or even black) and that her mother given name (Nee) is non existent in Portugal which points to a non-native/mixed background.

But foreigners like you, especially non-european and people of mixed background cope by saying that he must be fully local without knowing anything about the countries and people you talk about.

Beowulf

07-16-2023, 10:28 PM

Every Iberian

Please dude, don't do such generalization, there are Iberian members that we don't care about that.

Carl_uhul

07-16-2023, 10:30 PM

Sure, you are gonna find articles about every mixed people in Portugal telling how they are mixed and with pictures of their family. Portugal is a racist country like that.
Have you seen pictures of the grandparents to be so sure about the parents? Not that you would have the best judgment, as is evident with this thread.

Yeah, it's not like i'm a Benfica fan an watch him every week, i need a brazuca to come and tell me how he looks like. That's what brazucas do in this forum, they teach people from other continents.

The picture i posted is a frontal picture where he has no beard, it's very clear. But no, your picture of him smiling from an angle is much better.
If you prefer more recent pictures where he has a beard, i don't know what difference it makes:

https://i.imgur.com/CX1WEl9.png
https://storage.fussballdaten.de/source/1//person/imago/47955639//47955639.jpeg
https://www.estadao.com.br/resizer/4J7jlK7HDHasTDXFkXgSScUOtDM=/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-estadao/public/7JHYNFCE4ZAP5LV5QOHLSCKARQ.jpg
https://i2-prod.football.london/incoming/article25735810.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_GettyImages-1245561508.jpg

It's comical and at the same time bizarre that this thread is 10 pages of foreigners saying this guy is 100% portuguese and has no recent mixture at all. In the case of brazucas, i've noticed they are very confused about how portuguese people look like. For example, i noticed that TA brazucas aren't aware that Portugal has a mixed and black population since decades or more. So here is visual aid, if it's so difficult:

https://i.imgur.com/c88xvpR.png
https://i.imgur.com/LpRfkHu.jpg

Again, you cherrypicked Portuguese people from a random small village of Portugal, but we know Iberians hardly ever look like them (in special the guy on the far-right, who looks more German than anything else - remembering that a depigmented Iberian usually looks like David De Gea, not like a German, which is the case of that guy). I can cherrypick a lot of pictures of German-looking Brazilian people from small cities of southern region, but we know they don't look like the "average" Brazilian.

https://doutorricardo.rs.gov.br/uploads/noticia/16598/maior_F_1375279042_DSCF5982.jpg

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 10:35 PM

So what? Here in Brazil, you see people with names not only such as João, José, Pedro, Miguel, Paulo etc but also Bryan, Oliver, Richard, Herbert, Michael etc and all of them are ok and are common names
You can choose whatever name you want to your kid, but what you can't choose is their surname (which is indeed what indicates their ethnicity - in exception of cases such as slave people from settled countries who got their surname from their settlers and in adoption cases, which is the case of Balotelli for example).
So, it means nothing at all that his mother's name is Nee. If her surname were Nee or any other non-Portuguese surname, that would be a different story. But the name not being a Latin name means nothing about her ancestry or ethnicity.

Portugal is not Brazil where even people are baptized with names like Disneylândia, Adolfo-Mussolini and similar ridiculous names.

That's why you should not talk about countries you don't know much about. By the time that woman was born, during the 70's or a bit later, it was not allowed by Portuguese law to name the children with a non-portuguese name, for example not even David without an E was allowed, it had to be Davide. Much more recently the law has changed and nowadays there are much more foreign names that are allowed but it wasn't like that before, it was very strict.

Damião de Góis

07-16-2023, 10:36 PM

Again, you cherrypicked Portuguese people from a random small village of Portugal, but we know Iberians hardly ever look like them (in special the guy on the far-right, who looks more German than anything else - remembering that a depigmented Iberian usually looks like David De Gea, not like a German, which is the case of that guy). I can cherrypick a lot of pictures of German-looking Brazilian people from small cities of southern region, but we know they don't look like the "average" Brazilian.

https://doutorricardo.rs.gov.br/uploads/noticia/16598/maior_F_1375279042_DSCF5982.jpg

Cherrypicked? I have a whole thread about bullfighters, you can choose any other picture there to compare with Gonçalo Ramos if that one hurt your brazilian feelings:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323818-Portuguese-bullfighters

Also, there are brazucas again teaching people from other continents how they look like. Brazucas, the teachers of TA.

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 10:45 PM

Again, you cherrypicked Portuguese people from a random small village of Portugal, but we know Iberians hardly ever look like them (in special the guy on the far-right, who looks more German than anything else - remembering that a depigmented Iberian usually looks like David De Gea, not like a German, which is the case of that guy). I can cherrypick a lot of pictures of German-looking Brazilian people from small cities of southern region, but we know they don't look like the "average" Brazilian.

https://doutorricardo.rs.gov.br/uploads/noticia/16598/maior_F_1375279042_DSCF5982.jpg

So the people of the picture don't look like average Portuguese, there are almost 20 men in the picture and you say they don't look what they are because of one blond guy ? Guess what, blond people like that guy are more common among ethnic Portuguese than Gonçalo Ramos who any Portuguese who lives here says that he must have mixed ancestry... it's just foreigners who keep insisting otherwise. Pathetic...

PS. Those Brazilians you posted look average for their region, but again is ridiculous to compare a heterogeneous country like Brazil with such regional differences and different ethnic backgrounds wit a country like Portugal that has a homogeneous population (at least among fully ethnic people which are around 85% of the population).

Damião de Góis

07-16-2023, 10:48 PM

So the people of the picture don't look like average Portuguese, there are almost 20 men in the picture and you say they don't look what they are because of one blond guy ? Guess what, blond people like that guy are more common among ethnic Portuguese than Gonçalo Ramos which any Portuguese who lives here says that he must have mixed ancestry... it's just foreigners who keep insisting otherwise. Pathetic...

I found that my bullfighter thread caused a lot of outrage among certain people. It's hilarious.

"groups of natives? cherrypicked!!"

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 11:03 PM

I found that my bullfighter thread caused a lot of outrage among certain people. It's hilarious.

"groups of natives? cherrypicked!!"

Yes, we should keep it a secret between us that the racial police rigorously controls the entrances of the bullfighting rings. :icon_whisper:

Damião de Góis

07-16-2023, 11:14 PM

By the way that group of bullfighters was the first group that appeared on google to me. I had no idea it would hurt brazilian feelings.

https://i.imgur.com/tOVMxy1.png

Sebastianus Rex

07-16-2023, 11:58 PM

Its your opinion ! But i don’t think he is way more exotic than Simão.

There must be a problem with your vision or your perception of what is exotic must be very different from mine...which would make sense since you don't live here.

https://infocul.pt/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/600.jpg

https://es.coachesvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/ramos_mobile.jpg

João Félix is exotic but some Portuguese look like that, the case of Ramos is very différent i think and Carlos Alcaraz is the same as João.

Why João Félix is exotic ? He is not exotic in Portugal, fits in the spectrum of phenotypes and so all his family.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdoouVpXoAAQIcU?format=jpg&name=large

Ramos is exotic...and not in a native way but in the sense that he doesn't look fully native and doesn't fit in the exotic segment of the population, only mixed people look like him, that's how we that live here see it.

Tooting Carmen

07-17-2023, 12:01 AM

There must be a problem with your vision or your perception of what is exotic must be very different from mine...which would make sense since you don't live here.

https://infocul.pt/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/600.jpg

https://es.coachesvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/ramos_mobile.jpg

Why João Félix is exotic ? He is not exotic in Portugal, fits in the spectrum of phenotypes and so all his family.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdoouVpXoAAQIcU?format=jpg&name=large

Ramos is exotic...and not in a native way but in the sense that he doesn't look fully native and doesn't fit in the exotic segment of the population, only mixed people look like him, that's how we that live here see it.

Simao and Joao Felix are not as exotic, but their hair texture, mouths and in Felix's case eye shape still look borderline for fully native Europeans.

Brend9495

07-17-2023, 12:21 AM

There must be a problem with your vision or your perception of what is exotic must be very different from mine...which would make sense since you don't live here.

https://infocul.pt/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/600.jpg

https://es.coachesvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/ramos_mobile.jpg

Why João Félix is exotic ? He is not exotic in Portugal, fits in the spectrum of phenotypes and so all his family.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdoouVpXoAAQIcU?format=jpg&name=large

Ramos is exotic...and not in a native way but in the sense that he doesn't look fully native and doesn't fit in the exotic segment of the population, only mixed people look like him, that's how we that live here see it.
Maybe because for me Both look NA, but yeah Ramos look à bit more exotic. And for João Félix when i say exotic i mean he look exotic Portuguese or he is darker than average but still in the spectrum, exotic Portuguese looking ( João Félix, Ruben Amorim, Diogo Costa ect ) exotic non Portuguese looking ( Gonçalo Ramos, Ésgaio ect ) it’s the différence.

Sebastianus Rex

07-17-2023, 12:24 AM

Simao and Joao Felix are not as exotic, but their hair texture, mouths and in Felix's case eye shape still look borderline for fully native Europeans.

"Fully native European"...and that would be on which region of Europe from Portugal to the Urals? Why the perception that fully native European should look like in Britain or whatever?

Neither João Félix or Simão look of or particular exotic from where they're from, they fit with the population and besides I've posted a pic of his relatives. Unlike Gonçalo Ramos who doesn't fit anywhere because he surely has mixed ancestry, so I don't get why all this sort of crusade ?:confused:

Someone like Gordon Strachan would be considered exotic in many parts of Europe.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sih_gbG2Ue4/UPUrRqi8fmI/AAAAAAAAiDY/mPYZRdh4Aos/s1600/Gordon+Strachan+-+Panini+Career+Dundee+Aberdeen+Manchester+Scotland .png

Sebastianus Rex

07-17-2023, 12:44 AM

Maybe because for me Both look NA, but yeah Ramos look à bit more exotic. And for João Félix when i say exotic i mean he look exotic Portuguese or he is darker than average but still in the spectrum, exotic Portuguese looking ( João Félix, Ruben Amorim, Diogo Costa ect ) exotic non Portuguese looking ( Gonçalo Ramos, Ésgaio ect ) it’s the différence.

They don't look NA, they're features are different even from lighter NA like Benzema or Ziech. They don't look like any of these players.

https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/styles/large_16_9/public/1245695383.jpeg?h=f64e1868&itok=ZMzyO2x1

https://themedialine.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/GettyImages-1245512024-e1670798746355.jpg

https://northafricapost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Algerian-football-team-scaled.jpg

https://cutewallpaper.org/21/tunisia-national-football-team/The-FIFACoca-Cola-World-Ranking-News-Eagles-of-Carthage-.jpg

It is actually Ramos that passes well in NA and looks similar to many berberid-saharid N. Africans.

Tooting Carmen

07-17-2023, 12:46 AM

"Fully native European"...and that would be on which region of Europe from Portugal to the Urals? Why the perception that fully native European should look like in Britain or whatever?

Neither João Félix or Simão look of or particular exotic from where they're from, they fit with the population and besides I've posted a pic of his relatives. Unlike Gonçalo Ramos who doesn't fit anywhere because he surely has mixed ancestry, so I don't get why all this sort of crusade ?:confused:

Someone like Gordon Strachan would be considered exotic in many parts of Europe.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sih_gbG2Ue4/UPUrRqi8fmI/AAAAAAAAiDY/mPYZRdh4Aos/s1600/Gordon+Strachan+-+Panini+Career+Dundee+Aberdeen+Manchester+Scotland .png

He's got vaguely Mongoloid-influenced eyes, but he is certainly no Bjork or Erling Haaland. Besides, you're the one who claims that even the very blondest Scandinavians pass better in Portugal and other Southern European countries than the majority of Levantines or even Turks or Kavkazians do.

Sebastianus Rex

07-17-2023, 12:57 AM

He's got vaguely Mongoloid-influenced eyes, but he is certainly no Bjork or Erling Haaland. Besides, you're the one who claims that even the very blondest Scandinavians pass better in Portugal and other Southern European countries than the majority of Levantines or even Turks or Kavkazians do.

Quote me on that. I don't remember ever writing it, neither I believe that groups of blonde scandinavians or groups of typical Levantines, Turks or Khavakazians pass in Portugal/ SE. Individually some can pass but in groups none of them.

Tooting Carmen

07-17-2023, 01:02 AM

Quote me on that. I don't remember ever writing it, neither I believe that groups of blonde scandinavians or groups of typical Levantines, Turks or Khavakazians pass in Portugal/ SE. Individually some can pass but in groups none of them.

Actually I looked again and was partly wrong. You did say that more Scandinavians than Levantines would pass in Portugal/Southern Europe (though Turks and Kavkazians might be on par), but the types of Scandinavians who would pass OK would NOT be the very blonde types, but those with a more intermediate/pan-European look.

Sebastianus Rex

07-17-2023, 01:40 AM

Actually I looked again and was partly wrong. You did say that more Scandinavians than Levantines would pass in Portugal/Southern Europe (though Turks and Kavkazians might be on par), but the types of Scandinavians who would pass OK would NOT be the very blonde types, but those with a more intermediate/pan-European look.

OK, that is something I could have wrote indeed.

Smaug

07-17-2023, 01:44 AM

Triracial.

Carl_uhul

07-17-2023, 02:19 AM

They don't look NA, they're features are different even from lighter NA like Benzema or Ziech. They don't look like any of these players.

https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/styles/large_16_9/public/1245695383.jpeg?h=f64e1868&itok=ZMzyO2x1

https://themedialine.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/GettyImages-1245512024-e1670798746355.jpg

https://northafricapost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Algerian-football-team-scaled.jpg

https://cutewallpaper.org/21/tunisia-national-football-team/The-FIFACoca-Cola-World-Ranking-News-Eagles-of-Carthage-.jpg

It is actually Ramos that passes well in NA and looks similar to many berberid-saharid N. Africans.

Even Moroccan team's uniform looks like Portuguese team's :laugh2:

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2022/1210/r1105008_2285x4000cc.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/cwBNHLD/321369886-519679710136807-2310042405879427008-n.jpg