New IllustrativeDNA mode!

[Jingle Bell]

Hi, IllustrativeDna just got a new model, a periodical ancient ancestry mode, which separes ur results in periods

Im using Latin American mode so thats my results:

Bronze Age:
https://i.imgur.com/BgHnPF0.png
my caucasin part looks good, about 41% Bell Beaker (EEF + WSH) and the rest begin MENA, native am and ssa also looking accurate

Iron Age:
https://i.imgur.com/hLNjhn9.png
the iberians samples are from IA so they are already Hallsttat admixed (In my case i am scoring 26% from a sample from IA Cantabria, a region were celtic languages were spoken) + 10% extra celtic (im scoring Cotini, which where celts derived from Gauls), the rest is made up of Greco-Roman-Phoenician and some bit o berber, this results are looking VERY accurate

Migration Period (Roman Times):
https://i.imgur.com/HbWTeFt.png
abt 25% Roman Iberia (Which were a mix of Celt, Iberians, Roman, Phoenicians, Jews, and etc. . ) + 17% Gaul-Roman (The samples seens be a gaul + some roman/latin admixture) the rest is abt 7% levant + 3% Guanche related ancestry, again looks very accurate

Middle Ages:
https://i.imgur.com/qlFnlYv.png
28% of Iberian Post roman, 12% central Italians, but these italians samples seens kinda North shifted prob from germanic holy roman empire influence + 8% from Frenchs from MA, looks ok, not so accurate as the others periods but looks still good, the rest is some residual I. Celts (Bell Beaker + Hallsttat), levant and NA


Man i was waiting for this mode since so many time ago, and im very happy that they did a good job, all periods seens very historically accurate (just Middle Ages seens a bit weird but still good) i give a Solid 8/10, also u can use many regions like Levant, iberia, Latin America and thats change ur results based in what samples u want, just amazing :)

[Gallop]

Can you tell me what you get in Global-Global, medieval times?

[HelloGuys]

Imo I received strange results; I preferred the previous version tbh, but later I'll share my new results.

Glad it was very good for you ;)

[Jingle Bell]

Can you tell me what you get in Global-Global, medieval times?

Sure:

Iberian (AD 300–1200)37.6%

West African36.2%

Italian (AD 650–1450)14.4%

Bantu9.0%

South Amerindian (9000 BC–AD 1500) 2.8

[MandM]

I used only 3 pop breakdown

middle ages
Balkans (AD 500–1000)
67.6%
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Baltic (AD 900–1050)
31.2%
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Magyar
1.2%

Migration period
Roman Illyria (AD 100–600)
61.8%
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Slavic (AD 540–1100)
34.6%
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Volga (AD 200–400)
3.6%

Iron Age
Thracian (1100–200 BC)
60.4%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
32.8%
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Sarmatian (530–250 BC)
6.8%

Wonder why it changes, in ironage i get Thracian and later on Migration period its Illyrian

[17571imre]

Bronze age:
Illyrian (750–200 BC)
67.4%
Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
23.2%
Scythian (750–110 BC)
9.4%

Iron age:
Illyrian (750–200 BC)
67.4%
Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
23.2%
Scythian (750–110 BC)
9.4%

Migration period:
Roman Illyria (AD 100–600)
45.6%
Slavic (AD 540–1100)
34.2%
Germanic (AD 100–630)
20.2%

Middle ages:
Slavic (AD 540–1270)
46.6%
Italian (AD 650–1450)
30.0%
France (AD 130–1400)
23.4%

[Jingle Bell]

I used only 3 pop breakdown

middle ages
Balkans (AD 500–1000)
67.6%
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Baltic (AD 900–1050)
31.2%
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Magyar
1.2%

Migration period
Roman Illyria (AD 100–600)
61.8%
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Slavic (AD 540–1100)
34.6%
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Volga (AD 200–400)
3.6%

Iron Age
Thracian (1100–200 BC)
60.4%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
32.8%
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Sarmatian (530–250 BC)
6.8%

Wonder why it changes, in ironage i get Thracian and later on Migration period its Illyrian

Prob bcs they dont have Illyrians samples from IA or Thracian samples from Roman times, but overall u looks abt 60% Paleo-Balkanic

[MandM]

My Pontic Greek Friend

Iron Age
Anatolian (780–30 BC)
87.8%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
11.0%
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Sub-Saharan African
1.2%

Migration Period
Roman Anatolia (100 BC–AD 700)
78.0%
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Slavic (AD 540–1100)
10.4%
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Roman Levant (BC 50–AD 700)
8.2%
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Hunnic (AD 300–450)

Middle Ages
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
88.4%
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Slavic (AD 540–1270)
5.8%
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Indian Subcontinent (AD 690–990)

Can someone in short explain his, so i can tell him about it

[Jingle Bell]

My Pontic Greek Friend

Iron Age
Anatolian (780–30 BC)
87.8%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
11.0%
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Sub-Saharan African
1.2%

Migration Period
Roman Anatolia (100 BC–AD 700)
78.0%
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Slavic (AD 540–1100)
10.4%
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Roman Levant (BC 50–AD 700)
8.2%
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Hunnic (AD 300–450)

Middle Ages
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
88.4%
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Slavic (AD 540–1270)
5.8%
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Indian Subcontinent (AD 690–990)

Can someone in short explain his, so i can tell him about it

Wait, u put on 3 pop or? i think the anatolian is eating aprt of his Greek settler ancestry, in his case pop 5 or no limit would be better

[MandM]

Wait, u put on 3 pop or? i think the anatolian is eating aprt of his Greek settler ancestry, in his case pop 5 or no limit would be better

Found it, give me a sec

[MandM]

Pontic Friend 5 pop
Iron age
Anatolian (780–30 BC)
55.8%
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Colchian (780–30 BC)
29.0%
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Gandhara Grave Culture (1300–800 BC)
6.2%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
4.6%
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Berber (760–540 BC)
4.4%

Migration Period

Roman Anatolia (100 BC–AD 700)
50.8%
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Lazica
35.4%
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Baltic (AD 260–540)
6.6%
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Roman North Africa (AD 120–220)
3.6%
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Indian Subcontinent (AD 690–990)

Middle age
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
38.0%
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Kartvelian
35.0%
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Italian (AD 650–1450)
19.8%
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Indian Subcontinent (AD 690–990)
4.2%
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Baltic (AD 900–1050)
3.0%

[Jingle Bell]

Pontic Friend 5 pop
Iron age
Anatolian (780–30 BC)
55.8%
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Colchian (780–30 BC)
29.0%
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Gandhara Grave Culture (1300–800 BC)
6.2%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
4.6%
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Berber (760–540 BC)
4.4%

Migration Period

Roman Anatolia (100 BC–AD 700)
50.8%
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Lazica
35.4%
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Baltic (AD 260–540)
6.6%
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Roman North Africa (AD 120–220)
3.6%
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Indian Subcontinent (AD 690–990)

Middle age
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
38.0%
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Kartvelian
35.0%
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Italian (AD 650–1450)
19.8%
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Indian Subcontinent (AD 690–990)
4.2%
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Baltic (AD 900–1050)
3.0%

Well, Anatolia + Colchian/Lazica/Kartvelian can be = Indigenous Anatolian, Balto-Salvic + Italian are prob a proxy for greek? no ideia from where comes Gandhara


try use the regions for Europe Balkans or West Asian-Caucasus, Global its kinda strange also for me so

[MandM]

Well, Anatolia + Colchian/Lazica/Kartvelian can be = Indigenous Anatolian, Balto-Salvic + Italian are prob a proxy for greek? no ideia from where comes Gandhara


try use the regions for Europe Balkans or West Asian-Caucasus, Global its kinda strange also for me so

This is West asia and caucasus, Anatolian Turks and greeks

Middle age
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
60.6%
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Kartvelian
37.2%
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Turkic (AD 650–1200)
2.0%
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Iranian Plateau
0.2%

Migration Period
Roman Anatolia (100 BC–AD 700)
56.6%
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Lazica
30.8%
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Khwarazm and Transoxiana (100 BC–AD 950)
8.8%
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Sarmatian (AD 50–450)
3.2%
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Khotanese Saka (AD 150–300)

Iron age
Anatolian (780–30 BC)
54.8%
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Colchian (780–30 BC)
29.4%
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Yaz Culture (910–800 BC)
6.8%
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Phoenician (1000–330 BC)
5.2%
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Saka (540–50 BC)

[Jingle Bell]

This is West asia and caucasus, Anatolian Turks and greeks

Middle age
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
60.6%
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Kartvelian
37.2%
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Turkic (AD 650–1200)
2.0%
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Iranian Plateau
0.2%

Migration Period
Roman Anatolia (100 BC–AD 700)
56.6%
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Lazica
30.8%
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Khwarazm and Transoxiana (100 BC–AD 950)
8.8%
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Sarmatian (AD 50–450)
3.2%
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Khotanese Saka (AD 150–300)

Iron age
Anatolian (780–30 BC)
54.8%
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Colchian (780–30 BC)
29.4%
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Yaz Culture (910–800 BC)
6.8%
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Phoenician (1000–330 BC)
5.2%
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Saka (540–50 BC)

They dont have any Greek proxy, but its clear that he is very Anatolian & Caucasus IA, Balkans Eastern should works better for he

[MandM]

They dont have any Greek proxy, but its clear that he is very Anatolian & Caucasus IA, Balkans Eastern should works better for he

On Balkan East he got only 1% Balkan ( AD 500-1000)
And on Migration period he got Roman Illyria (AD 100–600)
2.6%
The rest was simillar as the things i posten befor on him, so I guess mostly Anatolian

[Jingle Bell]

On Balkan East he got only 1% Balkan ( AD 500-1000)
And on Migration period he got Roman Illyria (AD 100–600)
2.6%
The rest was simillar as the things i posten befor on him, so I guess mostly Anatolian

Yeah, mostly Anatolian and Caucasus native, with a bit of Greek and levantine

[axel.aleman]

Bronze Age

European Farmer (6300–2800 BC) 28.2%
Sub-Saharan African 26.0%
South Amerindian (9000 BC–AD 1500) 20.2%
Western Steppe (3300–2600 BC) 13.6%
Southeast Asian (2000 BC–AD 1800) 12.0%

Iron Age

Italic and Etruscan (900–200 BC) 33.8%
North Amerindian (4000 BC–AD 1600) 26.4%
Sub-Saharan African 25.6%
Southeast Asian (2000 BC–AD 1800) 8.0%
Arabian Peninsula 6.2%

Migration Period

Sub-Saharan African 25.6%
Germanic (AD 100–630) 24.8%
South Amerindian (9000 BC–AD 1500) 20.4%
Roman Levant (BC 50–AD 700) 18.4%
Southeast Asian (2000 BC–AD 1800) 10.8%

[Lemminkäinen]

Bronze Age:

Western Steppe (3300–2600 BC)49.4%
European Farmer (6300–2800 BC)29.0%
Baltic Hunter-Gatherer (5200–4200 BC)18.4%
Central Siberian (2400–2000 BC)3.2%

Iron Age:

Germanic (AD 100–600)59.0%
Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)36.8%
Central Siberian (2400–2000 BC)4.2%

Migration Period

Germanic (AD 100–630)50.6%
Baltic (AD 260–540)31.8%
Saami (AD 300–800)16.0%
Slavic (AD 540–1100)1.6%

Middle Ages

Germanic (AD 700–1000)43.4%
Baltic (AD 900–1050)20.8%
Slavic (AD 540–1270)18.2%
Saami (AD 300–800)17.6%

Surprisingly good.

[Lemminkäinen]

Global global:

BA:

Central Steppe (2100–1800 BC)31.8%
Western Steppe (3300–2600 BC)24.2%
Baltic Hunter-Gatherer (5200–4200 BC)22.0%
European Farmer (6300–2800 BC)15.0%
Central Siberian (2400–2000 BC)7.0%

IA:

Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)45.0%
Germanic (AD 100–600)40.2%
Central Siberian (2400–2000 BC)8.4%
Insular Celt (600 BC–AD 100)6.4%

Migr. P:

Germanic (AD 100–630)38.8%
Baltic (AD 260–540)28.0%
Saami (AD 300–800)18.8%
Volga (AD 200–400)13.0%
Tibetan Plateau (1200 BC–AD 500)1.4%

MA:


Germanic (AD 700–1000)39.8%
Baltic (AD 900–1050)28.4%
Volga (AD 200–400)16.2%
Saami (AD 300–800)14.8%
Sinitic (1230 BC–AD 1670)0.8%


Slavic changed to Volga.

[Jingle Bell]

Bronze Age

European Farmer (6300–2800 BC) 28.2%
Sub-Saharan African 26.0%
South Amerindian (9000 BC–AD 1500) 20.2%
Western Steppe (3300–2600 BC) 13.6%
Southeast Asian (2000 BC–AD 1800) 12.0%

Iron Age

Italic and Etruscan (900–200 BC) 33.8%
North Amerindian (4000 BC–AD 1600) 26.4%
Sub-Saharan African 25.6%
Southeast Asian (2000 BC–AD 1800) 8.0%
Arabian Peninsula 6.2%

Migration Period

Sub-Saharan African 25.6%
Germanic (AD 100–630) 24.8%
South Amerindian (9000 BC–AD 1500) 20.4%
Roman Levant (BC 50–AD 700) 18.4%
Southeast Asian (2000 BC–AD 1800) 10.8%

Hm . . .are u using Latin American or Global?

[axel.aleman]

Hm . . .are u using Latin American or Global?

Global

[HelloGuys]

I ma using the Latin American section because the global is very strange in my case:

https://i.imgur.com/URrAmqm.png

https://i.imgur.com/vPjoi6g.png

https://i.imgur.com/oq1rZpD.png

https://i.imgur.com/WuXfzVU.png

Thoughts? xd

[Jingle Bell]

I ma using the Latin American section because the global is very strange in my case:

https://i.imgur.com/URrAmqm.png

https://i.imgur.com/vPjoi6g.png

https://i.imgur.com/oq1rZpD.png

https://i.imgur.com/WuXfzVU.png

Thoughts? xd

Cool results!

BA looks ok, 40% Bell Beaker seens kinda low for half Iberian like me, but 40% is even lower for a 60% Iberian guy but u said u have serfadi ancestry so makes more sene

IA looking good, abt 41% Iberian IA + Celtic + minor Goth/Germanic, u are scoring what iberian sample? Cantabria?

Roman Times look good too, i think part of roman its serfadi (Jews clusters with Romans imperial and S.Italians) ur Germanic means prob Celt and Suebi (In my case i score Gaul, no so different)

ME looks very nice too

Ur results looks very accurate overall, just dont use Global its very inaccurate, use the recommended for ur region

Our caucasian part looks similar, u are more caucasian than me but we still got similar quantity of Iberian, Celtic, Phoenician etc . . . maybe our Levant % looks similar bcs we both got some Serfadi ancestry, if u dont mind aswer were ur iberians ancestors comes from? Castilla?

[Jingle Bell]

Global

I recommend strongly use Latin American mode, the samples are way better

[Gallop]

I'll start at the end: Middle Ages

Mine:

I did not expect East Siberian to come from the Middle Ages. The ~760 year-old ‘Young Yana’ individual from northeastern Siberia resembles modern Yakuts.
Kartvelian This genetic group is represented by modern Georgians due to lack of medieval samples. I had been getting alano on calculators, it could be related.

A nice batch of Celtic island and France.

The treatment they have given to the description of the Iberians is getting on my nerves, it revolves around NA, you can tell it is a Turkish Muslim company. It is not no! leave us alone already, heavy, besides we are Spanish, Iberians is a ancient population and it is heavy that because there are no confusions with Latin Americans our gentilicia is not even used.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7vH8OaM6tRhTGxLCqm9tv-ZEqwafL_gAyNLZ2sK1dVegbzrqi7USMi5vSJi0s9L0SaL3tAXA lFJeq_k4wPH3oBwx1JtnqH2V6GEGQPmFGbxBrFYhKJE8ycG_PP a_Tzmr1ouOhkinfOWGXgbaggeJHebrc2cjkHXcl5ydn6LJiXvv GPZ-redhDhg49/s723/Periodico4Mio.jpg

Father:

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Balt (Viking Age) : 6.6%
Description
In the 10th century AD, the various Baltic tribal chiefdoms started forming early realms. Regional tribal cultures developed in the territory of present-day Latvia and northern Lithuania, including the Curonians, Latgalians, Selonians and Semigallians.

My father also gets some more in France and I get some more in Insular Celt.

[Jingle Bell]

I'll start at the end: Middle Ages

Mine:

I did not expect East Siberian to come from the Middle Ages. The ~760 year-old ‘Young Yana’ individual from northeastern Siberia resembles modern Yakuts.
Kartvelian This genetic group is represented by modern Georgians due to lack of medieval samples. I had been getting alano on calculators, it could be related.

A nice batch of Celtic island and France.

The treatment they have given to the description of the Iberians is getting on my nerves, it revolves around NA, you can tell it is a Turkish Muslim company. It is not no! leave us alone already, heavy, besides we are Spanish, Iberians is a ancient population and it is heavy that because there are no confusions with Latin Americans our gentilicia is not even used.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7vH8OaM6tRhTGxLCqm9tv-ZEqwafL_gAyNLZ2sK1dVegbzrqi7USMi5vSJi0s9L0SaL3tAXA lFJeq_k4wPH3oBwx1JtnqH2V6GEGQPmFGbxBrFYhKJE8ycG_PP a_Tzmr1ouOhkinfOWGXgbaggeJHebrc2cjkHXcl5ydn6LJiXvv GPZ-redhDhg49/s723/Periodico4Mio.jpg

Father:

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Balt (Viking Age) : 6.6%
Description
In the 10th century AD, the various Baltic tribal chiefdoms started forming early realms. Regional tribal cultures developed in the territory of present-day Latvia and northern Lithuania, including the Curonians, Latgalians, Selonians and Semigallians.

My father also gets some more in France and I get some more in Insular Celt.

Looks like Global results are looking stranges for everyone, try use Iberian regionit will be far more accurate

[HelloGuys]

Cool results!

BA looks ok, 40% Bell Beaker seens kinda low for half Iberian like me, but 40% is even lower for a 60% Iberian guy but u said u have serfadi ancestry so makes more sene

IA looking good, abt 41% Iberian IA + Celtic + minor Goth/Germanic, u are scoring what iberian sample? Cantabria?

Roman Times look good too, i think part of roman its serfadi (Jews clusters with Romans imperial and S.Italians) ur Germanic means prob Celt and Suebi (In my case i score Gaul, no so different)

ME looks very nice too

Ur results looks very accurate overall, just dont use Global its very inaccurate, use the recommended for ur region

Our caucasian part looks similar, u are more caucasian than me but we still got similar quantity of Iberian, Celtic, Phoenician etc . . . maybe our Levant % looks similar bcs we both got some Serfadi ancestry, if u dont mind aswer were ur iberians ancestors comes from? Castilla?

I am not 100% sure that I have Sefardí ancestry, I am just saying that due my Grandma results is always scoring Levant Syrian MA, Levant Canaanite, Levant PPN/Natufian & Iran N, etc depending the period and we know those samples are from Jew ancestry specially in Latin American people.

But the coppe age zagros is eating my ANF/EEF (And in consequence my Yamnaya as well) due I am more inclined to those zones, but in reality Zagros is a false positive.

No, my Iberian IA is:

Breakdown
Tartessian : 22.0%
Cantabrian : 6.2%

My germanic in migration period is:

Breakdown
Goth : 7.6%

Btw Why do you think my Middle Ages is good? I mean, I am scoring a lot of levantine and some Celt, it suppose that in those times are like modern times, so Illustrative is telling me that I am having a NW Euro and Middle Eastern ancestors, doesn´t it?

I am fully colonial, so Idk exactly where are my ancestors from, but based in the spanish migration to the Americas, they were from Extremadura, Andalucía, both Castillas and I have a record of a Basque ancestor in 1700. What about you?

[Gallop]

Looks like Global results are looking stranges for everyone, try use Iberian regionit will be far more accurate

I like Global better, in Iberia it gives me only 3 results, I am not convinced.

[Jingle Bell]

I am not 100% sure that I have Sefardí ancestry, I am just saying that due my Grandma results is always scoring Levant Syrian MA, Levant Canaanite, Levant PPN/Natufian & Iran N, etc depending the period and we know those samples are from Jew ancestry specially in Latin American people.

But the coppe age zagros is eating my ANF/EEF (And in consequence my Yamnaya as well) due I am more inclined to those zones, but in reality Zagros is a false positive.

No, my Iberian IA is:

Breakdown
Tartessian : 22.0%
Cantabrian : 6.2%

My germanic in migration period is:

Breakdown
Goth : 7.6%

Btw Why do you think my Middle Ages is good? I mean, I am scoring a lot of levantine and some Celt, it suppose that in those times are like modern times, so Illustrative is telling me that I am having a NW Euro and Middle Eastern ancestors, doesn´t it?

I am fully colonial, so Idk exactly where are my ancestors from, but based in the spanish migration to the Americas, they were from Extremadura, Andalucía, both Castillas and I have a record of a Basque ancestor in 1700. What about you?

Oh ok i get it, i have a possibly serfadi surname and my dna also sugest some xtra MENA so,

ME looks good bcs u are scoring abt 44% Iberian and 4% Celtic (which is so residual that can be interppreted just as a extra celtic ancestry, so nothing wrong), u Levantine seens kinda high too but thats means just extra imperial or jewish ancestry, or maybe not just a bit misread of ur Natufian/ENF ancestry, i get abt 7% Levant and many iberians get abt a similar % too so
also aswering ur question my ancestors were from North Portugal (Minho, Porto,Aveiro) and maybe Galicia, very comum in NE Brazil, while in South were ostly from Lisboa and Azores

[Eurafricanid]

Bronze Age:

https://i.imgur.com/aOx9PNO.png



Iron Age:

https://i.imgur.com/u17Bfnk.png



Migration Period:

https://i.imgur.com/GDusud5.png



Middle Ages:

https://i.imgur.com/BL2t2hy.png


Seems very accurate to me!

[Jingle Bell]

Bronze Age:

https://i.imgur.com/t1QJlsT.png



Iron Age:

https://i.imgur.com/u17Bfnk.png



Migration Period:

https://i.imgur.com/GDusud5.png



Middle Ages:

https://i.imgur.com/zpXU8yZ.png


Seems very accurate to me!

Our results looks very similar again, and also similar to HelloGuys too
just seens u are a bit more Celt/North shifted than us, while me and HelloGuys seens more Iberian Ia and East-Med like

[HelloGuys]

Oh ok i get it, i have a possibly serfadi surname and my dna also sugest some xtra MENA so,

ME looks good bcs u are scoring abt 44% Iberian and 4% Celtic (which is so residual that can be interppreted just as a extra celtic ancestry, so nothing wrong), u Levantine seens kinda high too but thats means just extra imperial or jewish ancestry, or maybe not just a bit misread of ur Natufian/ENF ancestry, i get abt 7% Levant and many iberians get abt a similar % too so
also aswering ur question my ancestors were from North Portugal (Minho, Porto,Aveiro) and maybe Galicia, very comum in NE Brazil, while in South were ostly from Lisboa and Azores

My grandma is scoring like 5.8% Levantine in Middle Ages, so it's not possible I am scoring 11%, so there is something that the calc is misreading.

So I'll try to make my own Medieval Ages calc :mad: lol

I see, so you Euro side is pure portuguese, good :thumb001:

[Eurafricanid]

I like Global better, in Iberia it gives me only 3 results, I am not convinced.

Yeah, I think the Iberian Region might be more accurate, since you're a native, so it sould be boring. The multitude of percentages are usually a misreading of parts of your Admixture.

[SouthDutch7991]

Is this the first example of a commercial website with a Farmer/Steppe calculator?

Bronze Age:

https://imgur.com/bGMpAYn.png

A little surprised to see no HG is included here but it seems good enough otherwise. About what I'd expect. Also interesting that Farmer swallows a small amount of SSA


Iron Age:

https://imgur.com/6UoJHfg.png

That makes sense. I wonder how much of that Italic and Etruscan is baked into modern Germans and how much is coming from Norman/French ancestry in SW Britain


Migration Period:

https://imgur.com/F4IkeRk.png

I'm a little surprised to see how suddenly the Mediterranean populations diversify, I'm sure it's an example of over-fitting or something.


Middle Ages:

https://imgur.com/7jtnhta.png

Yeah, so most of the Southern Europe has dissipated into presumably France and Middle Ages Germanics. Lots of small admixtures, not sure how much is overfit and how much could be taken as a serious evidence that ancestry related to that region exists. BUt... European Jew at 4.4%???? I never get any on 23andMe/AncestryDNA/FTdna


Overall fairly accurate, nice to see an "official" Steppe/Farmer breakdown like this with a map.

[HelloGuys]

Ah done, I prefer this medieval ages model a lot more than Illustrative :cool: :p

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 2.9530% / 0.02952973
54.0 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
36.0 Mexican_Amerindian
6.0 Berber
3.0 Western_African
1.0 South_Asian

[Gallop]

Yeah, I think the Iberian Region might be more accurate, since you're a native, so it sould be boring. The multitude of percentages are usually a misreading of parts of your Admixture.

In Iberia it remains as modern.. There are a multitude of percentages, but everyone will know if it fits or if it sounds familiar from other companies or calculators. Even if we are natives, if we have an exotic haplogroup or any other subject, we will want to know more.

And I'm going to sleep now, because in the Mediterranean we also sleep. :)

[Eurafricanid]

I ma using the Latin American section because the global is very strange in my case:

https://i.imgur.com/URrAmqm.png

https://i.imgur.com/vPjoi6g.png

https://i.imgur.com/oq1rZpD.png

https://i.imgur.com/WuXfzVU.png

Thoughts? xd

I don't see anything wrong or innacurate with your results, you just have a bit more germanic, probably from Goths or Suebis, and Levantine, from Romans, Phoenicians/Carthagenians, Jews... and that's it!

[Eurafricanid]

Ah done, I prefer this medieval ages model a lot more than Illustrative :cool: :p

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 2.9530% / 0.02952973
54.0 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
36.0 Mexican_Amerindian
6.0 Berber
3.0 Western_African
1.0 South_Asian

Can you share this calc, so I can compare my results with it to my results from Illustrative DNA?

[HelloGuys]

Can you share this calc, so I can compare my results with it to my results from Illustrative DNA?

I made this one based in my ancestry, so you can add or remove which you want based where your ancestors are from:


Mexican_Amerindian,0.049323333,-0.319215,0.112508,0.093024,-0.111713,-0.013386667,-0.28498933,-0.33867833,-0.0096126667,-0.015793667,-0.0055213333,0.00079933333,0.003766,0.018212,-0.0059716667,0.010607,0.0054763333,-0.0011403333,0.0018853333,-0.00321,-0.0016223333,0.0027616667,0.00073966667,0.00317266 67,0.00015966667
Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025328,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592
South_Asian,0.049199837,-0.10208494,-0.11775161,0.079051481,-0.056648644,0.048960813,0.0015456063,0.0080831062, 0.023693131,0.0149924,-0.013717294,-0.00170355,0.0020145875,-0.00039870625,-0.001343825,-0.0011712,0.0023539312,-0.001558,-0.0012991,0.0011893188,0.00029351875,0.0020071688, 0.0027198375,0.00066938125,0.00447325
Southeast_Asian_MA:Indonesia_Majapahit_kingdom,0.0 09106,-0.397072,-0.088246,-0.024225,0.154183,0.06777,-0.002585,-0.001846,-0.009408,-0.018224,0.096621,0.008692,-0.013379,0.013625,-0.00095,0.002917,0.002347,-0.006841,-0.002388,0.022261,-0.006613,0.007048,-0.013927,0.014219,0.040236
Western_African:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Western_African:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Berber:Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Berber:Guanche_EMA,-0.039382709,0.131409506,-0.002338126,-0.0687344,0.0337296,-0.0363816,-0.029986,0.008259571,0.070887346,0.030542758,0.007 564733,-0.005996,0.018255494,-0.017697503,0.023207906,-0.013046747,0.003181272,-0.01920772,-0.044318172,0.0104,-0.0134748,-0.037713913,0.023272084,-0.001180774,0.004623422

[HelloGuys]

Adding this Levantine reference from Middle Ages, I score this:


Southern_Levantine_MA:Levant_SYR_Tell_Masaikh:R336 1___AD_1220,0.07057,0. 140143,-0.053551,-0.105622,-0.005539,-0.042949,-0.015041,-0.011538,0.048677,0.003827,0.013316,-0.023979,0.055748,-0.001101,0.000679,0.028507,-0.009518,0.005448,-0.000126,0.019134,0.013102,0.009398,-0.011955,0.010965,-0.003952

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 2.9182% / 0.02918202
53.4 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
36.0 Mexican_Amerindian
3.4 Berber
3.4 Western_African
3.2 Southern_Levantine_MA
0.6 South_Asian

[Eurafricanid]

I made this one based in my ancestry, so you can add or remove which you want based where your ancestors are from:


Mexican_Amerindian,0.049323333,-0.319215,0.112508,0.093024,-0.111713,-0.013386667,-0.28498933,-0.33867833,-0.0096126667,-0.015793667,-0.0055213333,0.00079933333,0.003766,0.018212,-0.0059716667,0.010607,0.0054763333,-0.0011403333,0.0018853333,-0.00321,-0.0016223333,0.0027616667,0.00073966667,0.00317266 67,0.00015966667
Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025328,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592
South_Asian,0.049199837,-0.10208494,-0.11775161,0.079051481,-0.056648644,0.048960813,0.0015456063,0.0080831062, 0.023693131,0.0149924,-0.013717294,-0.00170355,0.0020145875,-0.00039870625,-0.001343825,-0.0011712,0.0023539312,-0.001558,-0.0012991,0.0011893188,0.00029351875,0.0020071688, 0.0027198375,0.00066938125,0.00447325
Southeast_Asian_MA:Indonesia_Majapahit_kingdom,0.0 09106,-0.397072,-0.088246,-0.024225,0.154183,0.06777,-0.002585,-0.001846,-0.009408,-0.018224,0.096621,0.008692,-0.013379,0.013625,-0.00095,0.002917,0.002347,-0.006841,-0.002388,0.022261,-0.006613,0.007048,-0.013927,0.014219,0.040236
Western_African:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Western_African:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Berber:Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Berber:Guanche_EMA,-0.039382709,0.131409506,-0.002338126,-0.0687344,0.0337296,-0.0363816,-0.029986,0.008259571,0.070887346,0.030542758,0.007 564733,-0.005996,0.018255494,-0.017697503,0.023207906,-0.013046747,0.003181272,-0.01920772,-0.044318172,0.0104,-0.0134748,-0.037713913,0.023272084,-0.001180774,0.004623422


Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.1323% / 0.01132313
50.8 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
29.4 Cameroon-Congo
17.2 West_Africa
2.6 South_Amerindian

Thanks! I literally only added the Sub Saharan, and Amerindian Ancestry, and :eek: bruh!

[Eurafricanid]

Adding this Levantine reference from Middle Ages, I score this:


Southern_Levantine_MA:Levant_SYR_Tell_Masaikh:R336 1___AD_1220,0.07057,0. 140143,-0.053551,-0.105622,-0.005539,-0.042949,-0.015041,-0.011538,0.048677,0.003827,0.013316,-0.023979,0.055748,-0.001101,0.000679,0.028507,-0.009518,0.005448,-0.000126,0.019134,0.013102,0.009398,-0.011955,0.010965,-0.003952

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 2.9182% / 0.02918202
53.4 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
36.0 Mexican_Amerindian
3.4 Berber
3.4 Western_African
3.2 Southern_Levantine_MA
0.6 South_Asian

When I add the Southern Levant:


Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.1149% / 0.01114875
49.6 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
27.6 Cameroon-Congo
18.8 West_Africa
2.6 South_Amerindian
1.4 Southern_Levantine_MA

[HelloGuys]

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.1323% / 0.01132313
50.8 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
29.4 Cameroon-Congo
17.2 West_Africa
2.6 South_Amerindian

Thanks! I literally only added the Sub Saharan, and Amerindian Ancestry, and :eek: bruh!

It seems you are scoring Canaanite and Arabian in your Bronze age results; do you have Sefardí ancestry or similar?

Yeah, it works for us due our euro side is iberian, and that reference is from "Reconquista", the Middle Ages Iberian for excellence :thumb001: and there is almost no difference from modern Iberians (Except that this one score less North African and Iberomaurusian like current Catalans).

[Eurafricanid]

It seems you are scoring Canaanite and Arabian in your Bronze age results; do you have Sefardí ancestry or similar?

Yeah, it works for us due our euro side is iberian, and that reference is from "Reconquista", the Middle Ages Iberian for excellence :thumb001: and there is almost no difference from modern Iberians (Except that this one score less North African and Iberomaurusian like current Catalans).

Not that I know of, no. But it could be from soo many places, like the Roman Empire, Phoenicians, etc...

[HelloGuys]

Not that I know of, no. But it could be from soo many places, like the Roman Empire, Phoenicians, etc...

Could you sharing your results of Davidski's standard calculator?

[kingmob]

They have the best gfx interface and indexes out of all the relative companies floating around.


https://i.ibb.co/Th1RV3k/Screenshot-2023-01-11-at-07-35-44-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png

[hazmatnik]

Western Balkans mode:

https://i.postimg.cc/Jhnxzd1Z/Screenshot-20230111-002104-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3ksmL10x)

https://i.postimg.cc/htHvXXns/Screenshot-20230111-002051-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/0z0P32bK)

https://i.postimg.cc/Hk2Hgjxj/Screenshot-20230111-002118-Chrome.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/L6pr8RGP/Screenshot-20230111-002129-Chrome.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jingle Bell]

I made this one based in my ancestry, so you can add or remove which you want based where your ancestors are from:


Mexican_Amerindian,0.049323333,-0.319215,0.112508,0.093024,-0.111713,-0.013386667,-0.28498933,-0.33867833,-0.0096126667,-0.015793667,-0.0055213333,0.00079933333,0.003766,0.018212,-0.0059716667,0.010607,0.0054763333,-0.0011403333,0.0018853333,-0.00321,-0.0016223333,0.0027616667,0.00073966667,0.00317266 67,0.00015966667
Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025328,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592
South_Asian,0.049199837,-0.10208494,-0.11775161,0.079051481,-0.056648644,0.048960813,0.0015456063,0.0080831062, 0.023693131,0.0149924,-0.013717294,-0.00170355,0.0020145875,-0.00039870625,-0.001343825,-0.0011712,0.0023539312,-0.001558,-0.0012991,0.0011893188,0.00029351875,0.0020071688, 0.0027198375,0.00066938125,0.00447325
Southeast_Asian_MA:Indonesia_Majapahit_kingdom,0.0 09106,-0.397072,-0.088246,-0.024225,0.154183,0.06777,-0.002585,-0.001846,-0.009408,-0.018224,0.096621,0.008692,-0.013379,0.013625,-0.00095,0.002917,0.002347,-0.006841,-0.002388,0.022261,-0.006613,0.007048,-0.013927,0.014219,0.040236
Western_African:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Western_African:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Berber:Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Berber:Guanche_EMA,-0.039382709,0.131409506,-0.002338126,-0.0687344,0.0337296,-0.0363816,-0.029986,0.008259571,0.070887346,0.030542758,0.007 564733,-0.005996,0.018255494,-0.017697503,0.023207906,-0.013046747,0.003181272,-0.01920772,-0.044318172,0.0104,-0.0134748,-0.037713913,0.023272084,-0.001180774,0.004623422

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9506% / 0.01950569
46.8 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
44.4 SSA
6.0 Berber
2.8 Native_American

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.8801% / 0.01880092
45.6 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
44.8 SSA
4.0 Southern_Levantine_MA
2.8 Native_American
2.6 Berber
0.2 Western_African

[Eurafricanid]

Could you sharing your results of Davidski's standard calculator?

How do I do that?

[Jingle Bell]

How do I do that?

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/2/g25-calculatrice-standard-global25-par-davids.htm

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1367% / 0.02136749
42.0 Yoruba
24.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
4.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

[Eurafricanid]

Could you sharing your results of Davidski's standard calculator?

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9699% / 0.01969871
39.6 Yoruba
20.2 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.2 WHG
4.8 Gambian
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

[HelloGuys]

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/2/g25-calculatrice-standard-global25-par-davids.htm

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1367% / 0.02136749
42.0 Yoruba
24.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
4.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N


Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9699% / 0.01969871
39.6 Yoruba
20.2 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.2 WHG
4.8 Gambian
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Thanks, now remove the Tepecik from the source and run it; so share the results here

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7457% / 0.02745734
99.2 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
0.8 Western_African

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.0437% / 0.03043678
98.4 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
1.6 Western_African


Guau!

[Eurafricanid]

Thanks, now remove the Tepecik from the source and run it; so share the results here

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9981% / 0.01998070
39.4 Yoruba
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
5.0 Gambian
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.2 Levant_PPNB

[HelloGuys]

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9981% / 0.01998070
39.4 Yoruba
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
5.0 Gambian
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.2 Levant_PPNB

Remove Kura Araxes and Levant PPNB and use this reference instead:


Levant_Natufian_EpiP:I1072,0.034147,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.140506,0.042162,-0.085062,-0.016921,-0.015692,0.12476,0.019317,0.028743,-0.025327,0.085926,-0.004129,0.004886,-0.014054,-0.011213,-0.007855,-0.02074,0.023136,0.01123,0.001607,0.00912,0.003735 ,-0.003233

[Gallop]

Mine for Central Europa and Father in blue

Middle Ages

France (AD 130–1400) : 65.4%
Italian (AD 640–1450) : 34.6%

France (AD 130–1400) : 68.0%
Italian (AD 640–1450) : 32%

Breakdown

France (AD 130–1400) : 65.4%
France (AD 130–1400) : 68.0%

Description
This genetic group is represented by individuals from Gallo-Roman period and Middle Ages.

Breakdown

Central Italian (Papal States) : 22.4%
South Italian (Kingdom of Sicily) : 9.6%
South Italian (Longobard Period) : 2.6%

South Italian (Kingdom of Sicily) : 16.4%
Italian (Palazzo della Cancelleria) : 14.8%
Central Italian (Papal States) : 0.8%

Description
The Medieval individuals from central Italy are generally shifted toward central European groups compared to the sampled Imperial Roman individuals and largely overlap with present-day populations from central Italy. And the Medieval individuals from southern Italy largely overlap with the sampled Imperial Roman individuals and present-day populations from southern Italy. Medieval Nort


You could say that I am more Gallic Roman and my father is more mix Imperial Roman.

[HelloGuys]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7457% / 0.02745734
99.2 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
0.8 Western_African

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.0437% / 0.03043678
98.4 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
1.6 Western_African


Guau!

Very Christian, but here the real question is orthodox? Catholic? Or protestant? All of them? :confused: :coffee:

[Eurafricanid]

Remove Kura Araxes and Levant PPNB and use this reference instead:


Levant_Natufian_EpiP:I1072,0.034147,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.140506,0.042162,-0.085062,-0.016921,-0.015692,0.12476,0.019317,0.028743,-0.025327,0.085926,-0.004129,0.004886,-0.014054,-0.011213,-0.007855,-0.02074,0.023136,0.01123,0.001607,0.00912,0.003735 ,-0.003233


Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9952% / 0.01995191
42.4 Yoruba
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.8 Gambian
0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP

[HelloGuys]

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9952% / 0.01995191
42.4 Yoruba
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.8 Gambian
0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP

Thanks bruh, you very likely has a Jewish ancestor :)

So the references that you scored in Illustrative and in my Medieval Ages model finally made sense.

[Eurafricanid]

Thanks bruh, you very likely has a Jewish ancestor :)

So the references that you scored in Illustrative and in my Medieval Ages model finally made sense.

Why, though? What made my results look Jewish to you?

[HelloGuys]

Why, though? What made my results look Jewish to you?

Try to run a Sephardic Jew and compare it with those last components you scored, so you'll have the answer bruh

[Eurafricanid]

Try to run a Sephardic Jew and compare it with those last components you scored, so you'll have the answer bruh

hmmmm... :scratch:

Target: Sephardic_Jew
Distance: 2.6918% / 0.02691795
49.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
15.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.4 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 2.1378% / 0.02137798
58.0 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.0 WHG


Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 1.8252% / 0.01825245
58.0 TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.4 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
3.0 WHG
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N


Target: Italian_Molise
Distance: 1.8194% / 0.01819415
57.0 TUR_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP


Target: Italian_Umbria
Distance: 1.7374% / 0.01737410
58.4 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
1.6 WHG


IDK, I don't have Taforalt, very confusing :confused:

[Jingle Bell]

Thanks, now remove the Tepecik from the source and run it; so share the results here


Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1429% / 0.02142871
42.0 Yoruba
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.4 Levant_PPNB

[HelloGuys]

hmmmm... :scratch:

Target: Sephardic_Jew
Distance: 2.6918% / 0.02691795
49.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
15.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.4 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 2.1378% / 0.02137798
58.0 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.0 WHG


Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 1.8252% / 0.01825245
58.0 TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.4 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
3.0 WHG
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Your Iran, Natufian and your hidden Taforalt (Yoruba is "eating" your Taforalt because they are 12.5%, I have seen Gambian "eats" even more in G25); percentages varies between you and Sephardic.

[Jingle Bell]

Thanks bruh, you very likely has a Jewish ancestor :)

So the references that you scored in Illustrative and in my Medieval Ages model finally made sense.

I think his results looks very normal for a 1/2 Iberian Christian, sometimes Iberians score >5% Levant or Iran N or Kura Araxes, Imperial Romans were ME admixed so its normal have some residual

Target: Portuguese:Portugal9
Distance: 4.8923% / 0.04892332
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
25.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.2 WHG
5.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Portuguese:Portugal5
Distance: 4.0979% / 0.04097950
47.8 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.2 WHG
6.4 Levant_PPNB
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 SSA


Target: Portuguese:Portugal15
Distance: 4.2855% / 0.04285507
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
5.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

[HelloGuys]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1429% / 0.02142871
42.0 Yoruba
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.4 Levant_PPNB

Thanks bruh, could you use the Natufian sample instead Levant PPNB

[HelloGuys]

I think his results looks very normal for a 1/2 Iberian Christian, sometimes Iberians score >5% Levant or Iran N or Kura Araxes, Imperial Romans were ME admixed so its normal have some residual

Target: Portuguese:Portugal9
Distance: 4.8923% / 0.04892332
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
25.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.2 WHG
5.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Portuguese:Portugal5
Distance: 4.0979% / 0.04097950
47.8 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.2 WHG
6.4 Levant_PPNB
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 SSA


Target: Portuguese:Portugal15
Distance: 4.2855% / 0.04285507
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
5.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

It has to be a few components together, not separate; I don't doubt G25 could be misreading and modelling people at the time to time (In this case qpadm and a searching family records would be the solution) but I haven't seen many latin american and iberian users scoring Natufian+Iran N+Taforalt combo in their results, at contrary.

Even in the latin American users just you, Jgab602 and my grandma of all the Latin Americans I have seen here and in AG are scoring that combo; so as I said to the other user in the other post, it's something that could be possible to have a Jewish ancestor.

[Jingle Bell]

Thanks bruh, could you use the Natufian sample instead Levant PPNB

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9174% / 0.01917406
33.4 SSA
25.0 TUR_Barcin_N
14.8 Yoruba
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.4 Native_American
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

my yamnaya seens more correct, this Levant prob comes from some East African ancestors, while IRN n from Serfadi or related East-Med

Also i tried without Iran N (It can be a false positive or be eating my Yamnaya which seens prty low for the average:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.0009% / 0.02000898
31.2 SSA
25.4 TUR_Barcin_N
16.6 Yoruba
15.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 WHG
3.4 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.4 Native_American
0.8 MAR_Taforalt

Now seens more correct (My WHG dont is more normal and my yamnaya seens higher, Taforalt is begin eat partly by yoruba but anyway my taforalt isnt more than 3% so)

I generally im modeled as:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.1187% / 0.01118656 | R5P
29.2 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL26
20.0 Nigeria:Yoruba:NA18488
14.4 Central_Africa:Bantu_S.W.:KSP203
8.8 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
7.6 Yemenite_Jew:Yemenite_Jew:YemeniteJew4667
6.2 Nigeria:Yoruba:NA18489
5.2 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL24
4.6 Nigeria:Yoruba:NA18505
2.0 South_Amerindian:Karitiana:B_Karitiana-3
0.8 Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal3
0.8 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.4 South_Amerindian:Karitiana:HGDP00995

Yemetine Jew represent both my residual serfadi and my extra MENA from East Africa so im abt 52% Caucasian, 45% European (genetically) but ~50-47%% Iberian (Galego-Portugues + Serfadi)

[Gallop]

Very Christian, but here the real question is orthodox? Catholic? Or protestant? All of them? :confused: :coffee:

Podríais ir mirando una calculadora para esas tres ramas, a ver qué nos sale.

[Eurafricanid]

Your Iran, Natufian and your hidden Taforalt (Yoruba is "eating" your Taforalt because they are 12.5%, I have seen Gambian "eats" even more in G25); percentages varies between you and Sephardic.


Why is he not 0% Taforalt, then?


Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1429% / 0.02142871
42.0 Yoruba
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.4 Levant_PPNB


These are my results without the Gambian:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9948% / 0.01994798
44.0 Yoruba
28.8 TUR_Barcin_N
14.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
3.4 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP


It's even closer to me without the Gambian, bruh! haha!


Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9952% / 0.01995191
42.4 Yoruba
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.8 Gambian
0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP

[Jingle Bell]

It has to be a few components together, not separate; I don't doubt G25 could be misreading at the time to time modelling some people (In this case qpadm and a searching family records would be the solution) but I haven't seen many latin American and iberian people scoring Natufian+Iran N+Taforalt combo in their results, at contrary.

Even in the latinoamerican users just you, Jgab602 and my grandma of all the Latin Americans I have seen here and in AG are scoring that combo; so as I said to the other user in the other post, it's something that could be possible to have an Jewish ancestor.

Yeah, g25 have a problem which is a false overlap btw populations, qpAdm would be more precise (since its used in scientifc studies) but i dont have any idea how use that lol, and i naver find any tutorial so yeah, but one guy in reddit say me that g25 have a margin of error of abt 5%+/- in ancient components, so i alr saw a english scoring 2% CHG but its just misread yamnaya, but based on g25, Genera, gedmatch and the history of my region its not impossible to me be 5% Jew/MENA or something like, but im sure that i am at least 45% Iberian

[HelloGuys]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9174% / 0.01917406
33.4 SSA
25.0 TUR_Barcin_N
14.8 Yoruba
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
2.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.4 Native_American
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

my yamnaya seens more correct, this Levant prob comes from some East African ancestors, while IRN n from Serfadi or related East-Med

Also i tried without Iran N (It can be a false positive or be eating my Yamnaya which seens prty low for the average:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.0009% / 0.02000898
31.2 SSA
25.4 TUR_Barcin_N
16.6 Yoruba
15.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 WHG
3.4 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.4 Native_American
0.8 MAR_Taforalt

Now seens more correct (My WHG dont is more normal and my yamnaya seens higher, Taforalt is begin eat partly by yoruba but anyway my taforalt isnt more than 3% so)

I generally im modeled as:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.1187% / 0.01118656 | R5P
29.2 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL26
20.0 Nigeria:Yoruba:NA18488
14.4 Central_Africa:Bantu_S.W.:KSP203
8.8 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
7.6 Yemenite_Jew:Yemenite_Jew:YemeniteJew4667
6.2 Nigeria:Yoruba:NA18489
5.2 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL24
4.6 Nigeria:Yoruba:NA18505
2.0 South_Amerindian:Karitiana:B_Karitiana-3
0.8 Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal3
0.8 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.4 South_Amerindian:Karitiana:HGDP00995

Yemetine Jew represent both my residual serfadi and my extra MENA from East Africa so im abt 52% Caucasian, 45% European (genetically) but ~50-47%% Iberian (Galego-Portugues + Serfadi)

You are scoring a low yamnaya because you are using a WHG with a moderate/high affinity to ANE; if you want the WHG with less ANE affinity then use this one:

Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.11 20467,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.01 60593,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994

Talking about false positive, scoring a little Iran with Narufian and Taforalt definitely is not the case; ofc when you remove it the calc would try to take that lack reference in the Yamnaya sample due the CHG (Iran N and CHG cluster together and are similar).

[HelloGuys]

Why is he not 0% Taforalt, then?




These are my results without the Gambian:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.9948% / 0.01994798
44.0 Yoruba
28.8 TUR_Barcin_N
14.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
3.4 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP


It's even closer to me without the Gambian, bruh! haha!

Because he has an excess of Taforalt that Yoruba cannot absorb all (There is a limit that a reference can depredate to others).

If you want to know how much Taforalt you have, then the Yoruba has to be removed and use a reference with "no-taforalt" and I just know one reference that can do that, but increase the distance.

Pd: Don't use the Gambian anymore bruh, better results :lmao

[Eurafricanid]

Yeah, g25 have a problem which is a false overlap btw populations, qpAdm would be more precise (since its used in scientifc studies) but i dont have any idea how use that lol, and i naver find any tutorial so yeah, but one guy in reddit say me that g25 have a margin of error of abt 5%+/- in ancient components, so i alr saw a english scoring 2% CHG but its just misread yamnaya, but based on g25, Genera, gedmatch and the history of my region its not impossible to me be 5% Jew/MENA or something like, but im sure that i am at least 45% Iberian

I kind of disagree with that. I don't think it's that big of a deal, if the english has a bit more CHG, because of the Yamnaya, he has it, I don't think all Yamnayas were exactly the same. Also, populations do overlap, and as I showed to you a lot of the Italian populations have those same combinations, are you just ignoring the Roman Empire because of your own biases?

[Eurafricanid]

Because he has an excess of Taforalt that Yoruba cannot absorb all (There is a limit that a reference can depredate to others).

If you want to know how much Taforalt you have, then the Yoruba has to be removed and use a reference with "no-taforalt" and I just know one reference that can do that, but increase the distance.

Pd: Don't use the Gambian anymore bruh, better results :lmao

I am part Yoruba and 50% European, if I use non Yoruba samples, of couse I'm gonna get more Taforalt than 0% (I think), but that Taforalt is gonna be from my African side, not the European one, but now that you brought that up, I still want to use a non-taforalt SSA refference, can you give me that? I don't know where to find it.

[HelloGuys]

I am part Yoruba and 50% European, if I use non Yoruba samples, of couse I'm gonna get more taforalt then 0%, but that Taforalt is gonna be from my African side, not the European one, but now that you brought that up, I still want to use a non-taforalt SSA refference, can you give me that? I don't knowwhere to find it.

It's impossible in papers that all of your Taforalt come from SSA if you have iberian ancestry (Especially if you are 1/2 Iberian), it's just a fail of G25.

CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP,-0.602693,0.055346,0.0148965,0.0263245,-0.0064625,0.00502,0.1243205,-0.099919,0.0138055,-0.007016,-0.00065,-0.0242785,-0.0203665,-0.0052295,0.0021035,-0.00179,0.0127125,0.017356,-0.0011945,-0.0040645,-0.003494,-0.000371,0.0016025,-0.0009035,-0.0020955

That reference is modelled as 65% Basal West African and 35% Western-Central African Hunter-Gatherer; so it's perfect for that job.

[Jingle Bell]

I kind of disagree with that. I don't think it's that big of a deal, if the english has a bit more CHG, because of the Yamnaya, he has it, I don't think all Yamnayas were exactly the same. Also, populations do overlap, and as I showed to you a lot of the Italian populations have those same combinations, are you just ignoring the Roman Empire because of your own biases?

Nope, its bcs we alr have studies showing hat Imperial Roman ancestry its kinda low, and look, if romans imperial were abt 1/2 S. Euro & 1/2 MENA, if i score abt 5% MENA thats means im 10% Roman? Iberia is too homogenous for such a high rate, i alr send u a study abt ancient iberia which explains that part too

and thats what i as saying, if a English are scoring 2% CHG dont means that he have a ancestor from Caucasus or neither that a CHG migrated to Britain, just mean that compared to others he have 2% more chg, prob bcs Yamnaya thats it

[Jingle Bell]

You are scoring a low yamnaya because you are using a WHG with a moderate/high affinity to ANE; if you want the WHG with less ANE affinity then use this one:

Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.11 20467,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.01 60593,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994

Talking about false positive, scoring a little Iran with Narufian and Taforalt definitely is not the case; ofc when you remove it the calc would try to take that lack reference in the Yamnaya sample due the CHG (Iran N and CHG cluster together and are similar).

Oh yeah ty, looks like u are right, my yamnaya seens way more correct

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1223% / 0.02122256
42.2 Yoruba
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
3.0 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_PPNB

also my Iran N and levant are a bit lower, my taforalt seens coorect, a Galician have abt 6% Taforalt so i am in the expected for a 1/2 Gaician/portuguese (3%)

[Eurafricanid]

It's impossible in papers that all of your Taforalt come from SSA if you have iberian ancestry, it's just a fail of G25.

CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP,-0.602693,0.055346,0.0148965,0.0263245,-0.0064625,0.00502,0.1243205,-0.099919,0.0138055,-0.007016,-0.00065,-0.0242785,-0.0203665,-0.0052295,0.0021035,-0.00179,0.0127125,0.017356,-0.0011945,-0.0040645,-0.003494,-0.000371,0.0016025,-0.0009035,-0.0020955

That reference is modelled as 65% Basal West African and 35% Western-Central Africans Hunter-Gatherers; so it's perfect for that job.

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 8.4075% / 0.08407515
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
25.8 Dinka
21.2 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP
12.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.8 WHG
2.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

wow! omg! now i'm suddenly 2% Taforalt and 0% Natufian! -_-

[HelloGuys]

Oh yeah ty, looks like u are right, my yamnaya seens way more correct

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1223% / 0.02122256
42.2 Yoruba
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
3.0 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Levant_PPNB

also my Iran N and levant are a bit lower, my taforalt seens coorect, a Galician have abt 6% Taforalt so i am in the expected for a 1/2 Gaician/portuguese (3%)

Awesome bro; your results seems better than the first time :)

In my case, I am not Portuguese/Galician descendant, but I still have a lot of Iberomaurusian:

Distance: 2.6760% / 0.02675952
35.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
32.4 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.6 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
5.0 MAR_Taforalt
5.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.2 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

[Jingle Bell]

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 8.4075% / 0.08407515
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
25.8 Dinka
21.2 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP
12.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.8 WHG
2.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

wow! omg! now i'm suddenly 2% Taforalt and 0% Natufian! -_-

Look, can be that u just dont have Taforalt, but its very strange to a guy which is 1/2 Western Iberian have 0%, the expected its 2% - 4%, i think the Yoruba samples is not the problem, just seen that u just dont have Taforalt, its very rare but possible, who knows if ur ancestors just dont mix with NA traders, merdenaries or moors? can happen

[Eurafricanid]

Nope, its bcs we alr have studies showing hat Imperial Roman ancestry its kinda low, and look, if romans imperial were abt 1/2 S. Euro & 1/2 MENA, if i score abt 5% MENA thats means im 10% Roman? Iberia is too homogenous for such a high rate, i alr send u a study abt ancient iberia which explains that part too

and thats what i as saying, if a English are scoring 2% CHG dont means that he have a ancestor from Caucasus or neither that a CHG migrated to Britain, just mean that compared to others he have 2% more chg, prob bcs Yamnaya thats it

You didn't get my point haha! I wasn't talking about you lol, I you're probably a mix of an outlier iberian, a bit of Horner, also a possible Jewish ancestry, but saying that it's a problem with the calculator, or that any Iberian with very low Iran N + Natufian + Taforalt (lol) is part Jewish is nonsense.

[Jingle Bell]

Awesome bro; your results seems better than the first time :)

In my case, I am not Portuguese/Galician descendant, but I still have a lot of Iberomaurusian:

Distance: 2.6760% / 0.02675952
35.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
32.4 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.6 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
5.0 MAR_Taforalt
5.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.2 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

Yeah ur Taforalt its kinda high compared to mine, but keep in mind that u are more iberian than me ( 45% - 50% vs ~62%) so its expected to u have have more Taforalt,
abt IRN can be also possibly from serfadis like me, or ur iberians ancestors were just more Roman like, have a lot of variables XD

[Eurafricanid]

Look, can be that u just dont have Taforalt, but its very strange to a guy which is 1/2 Western Iberian have 0%, the expected its 2% - 4%, i think the Yoruba samples is not the problem, just seen that u just dont have Taforalt, its very rare but possible, who knows if ur ancestors just dont mix with NA traders, merdenaries or moors? can happen

Yeah, bro, I also said that I do match southern French and Northeastern Spaniards in MyHeritage, do you remember?
So that might be another factor.

[HelloGuys]

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 8.4075% / 0.08407515
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
25.8 Dinka
21.2 CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP
12.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.8 WHG
2.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

wow! omg! now i'm suddenly 2% Taforalt and 0% Natufian! -_-

Natufian is modelled as Dzuduzuana and Taforalt, but in your case it seems that the Iran N absorbed the Natufian; I have seen some cases like that when the percentage is low (Idk the reason G25 do that tho, maybe because G25 is not perfect).

[Jingle Bell]

You didn't get my point haha! I wasn't talking about you lol, I you're probably a mix of an outlier iberian, a bit of Horner, also a possible Jewish ancestry, but saying that it's a problem with the calculator, or that any Iberian with very low Iran N + Natufian + Taforalt (lol) is part Jewish is nonsense.

Oh i understand , my bad lol, i mean thats possibly that the iberians which score IRN, Natufian, etc. . can be more East-Med like (which can be jews, romans imperial, phoenicians and many others group), sry i was kinda dumb XD

[HelloGuys]

Look, can be that u just dont have Taforalt, but its very strange to a guy which is 1/2 Western Iberian have 0%, the expected its 2% - 4%, i think the Yoruba samples is not the problem, just seen that u just dont have Taforalt, its very rare but possible, who knows if ur ancestors just dont mix with NA traders, merdenaries or moors? can happen

It's impossible that someone who has Portuguese ancestry don't have Taforalt, in papers it makes no sense bruh.

Western Iberia is the place all of Iberia that has the highest Taforalt/Berber.

Portuguese are very homogeneous people, even more than Spaniards and other Europeans.

[HelloGuys]

You didn't get my point haha! I wasn't talking about you lol, I you're probably a mix of an outlier iberian, a bit of Horner, also a possible Jewish ancestry, but saying that it's a problem with the calculator, or that any Iberian with very low Iran N + Natufian + Taforalt (lol) is part Jewish is nonsense.

If you want tell me something then quote me bruh (Of was it a hint?).

I have never said Iran N + Natufian + Taforalt in Iberians is because they have Jewish ancestry; but being latin american is most likely you have them due the inmigration records and Sephardic expulsion; key word "very likely" as I have written to you in another post; to be sure a family record searching will remove all doubts.

Keep in mind that G25 is not perfect; a very good tool, but not perfect; the best one is qpadm.

[Gallop]

Mine for Central Europa and Father in blue

Middle Ages

France (AD 130–1400) : 65.4%
Italian (AD 640–1450) : 34.6%

France (AD 130–1400) : 68.0%
Italian (AD 640–1450) : 32%

Breakdown

France (AD 130–1400) : 65.4%
France (AD 130–1400) : 68.0%

Description
This genetic group is represented by individuals from Gallo-Roman period and Middle Ages.

Breakdown

Central Italian (Papal States) : 22.4%
South Italian (Kingdom of Sicily) : 9.6%
South Italian (Longobard Period) : 2.6%

South Italian (Kingdom of Sicily) : 16.4%
Italian (Palazzo della Cancelleria) : 14.8%
Central Italian (Papal States) : 0.8%

Description
The Medieval individuals from central Italy are generally shifted toward central European groups compared to the sampled Imperial Roman individuals and largely overlap with present-day populations from central Italy. And the Medieval individuals from southern Italy largely overlap with the sampled Imperial Roman individuals and present-day populations from southern Italy. Medieval Nort


You could say that I am more Gallic Roman and my father is more mix Imperial Roman.

Mine and Father in blue

Migration Period

Roman Gaul (AD 130–500)64.0%
Roman Pannonia (AD 130–600)36.0%

Roman Gaul (AD 130–500)56.4%
Roman Pannonia (AD 130–600)43.6%

Continental Celt (800–50 BC)73.4%
Roman Italy (20 BC–AD 600)26.6%

Celta continental (800–50 a. C.)74,6%
Italia romana (20 a. C.-600 d. C.)25,4%

Africa-Egypt

Migration

Roman Levant (BC 50–AD 700)77.8%
Iranian Plateau21.2%
Sub-Saharan African1.0%

Roman Levant (BC 50–AD 700)78.6%
Iranian Plateau19.8%
Sub-Saharan African1.6%

The last century of Seleucid rule in the Levant was marked by disorder and dynastic struggles, these ended in 64 BCE when the Roman general Pompey added Seleucid Levant to the Roman Empire. Economic and intellectual activities flourished in the Levant during the Pax Romana. The inhabitants of Byblos, Sidon, and Tyre were granted Roman citizenship. These cities were centers of the pottery, glass, and purple dye industries; their harbors also served as warehouses for products imported from Syria, Persia, and India. They exported cedar, perfume, jewelry, wine, and fruit to Rome. The individuals from Lebanon’s Roman period cluster with Levantines and are close to present-day Lebanese.

Iron Age-Africa-Egypt

Yaz Culture (910–800 BC)50.2%
Phoenician (1000–330 BC)28.0%
Egyptian (780–400 BC)21.8%

Yaz Culture (910–800 BC)48.6%
Phoenician (1000–330 BC)32.6%
Sub-Saharan African0.2%


Migration Period

Africa-North Africa

Roman Iberia (AD 260–500)92.8%
Roman Italy (20 BC–AD 600)7.0%
Sub-Saharan African0.2%

Father similar

The shift from the Iron Age population in the direction of Imperial Romans can be observed in present-day Iberians outside the Basque area and is a consequence of the Roman presence in the peninsula, which had a profound cultural impact and a substantial genetic impact too.

[Jingle Bell]

It's impossible that someone who has Portuguese ancestry don't have Taforalt, in papers it makes no sense bruh.

Western Iberia is the place all of Iberia that has the highest Taforalt/Berber.

Portuguese are very homogeneous people, even more than Spaniards and other Europeans.

Yeah, Taforalt component is older than Celtic in Iberia so i am very suprised ti he dont got any Taforalt XD but who knows

[Jingle Bell]

If you want tell me something then quote me bruh (Of was it a hint?).

I have never said Iran N + Natufian + Taforalt in Iberians is because they have Jewish ancestry; but being latin american is most likely you have them due the inmigration records and Sephardic expulsion; key word "very likely" as I have written to you in another post; to be sure a family record searching will remove all doubts.

Keep in mind that G25 is not perfect; a very good tool, but not perfect; the best one is qpadm.

Noooo, he was sayint abt me lol, u understand wrong

[HelloGuys]

Yeah, Taforalt component is older than Celtic in Iberia so i am very suprised ti he dont got any Taforalt XD but who knows

It's the same case that I am scoring a lot of Iran N; the calc is placing the percentage to other references that it believes is correct.

At the end of the day, G25 is using Monte Carlo's algorithm, so the results are probabilities and not absolute truths.

[Jingle Bell]

It's the same that I am scoring a lot of Iran N; the calc is placing the percentage to other references that it believes is correct.

At the end of the day, G25 is using Monte Carlo's algorithm, so the results are probability and not absolute truths.

Yeah, i am searching how uses qpAdm, looks very complex but will be more accurate in search or calculators

[Eurafricanid]

Yeah, Taforalt component is older than Celtic in Iberia so i am very suprised ti he dont got any Taforalt XD but who knows


It's impossible that someone who has Portuguese ancestry don't have Taforalt, in papers it makes no sense bruh.

Western Iberia is the place all of Iberia that has the highest Taforalt/Berber.

Portuguese are very homogeneous people, even more than Spaniards and other Europeans.

@HelloGuys
I think it's weird too, lol, but, it is there! Usually, when I use calculators, I get Baleares or more rarelly Murcia, or Southern French + Italian, sometimes even 50% Northern Italian, never Western Iberian, even my Iron age Iberian breakdown is "Iberian : 19.4% Cantabrian : 7.6%", so... IDK.

[Jingle Bell]

It's the same case that I am scoring a lot of Iran N; the calc is placing the percentage to other references that it believes is correct.

At the end of the day, G25 is using Monte Carlo's algorithm, so the results are probabilities and not absolute truths.

I usually in g25 i use read with a margin of error of 5% (Was what a guy in reddit recommended to me so XD)

[Eurafricanid]

I usually in g25 i use read with a margin of error of 5% (Was what a guy in reddit recommended to me so XD)

I think a margin of error of 5% is too high for G25, lol (I'd say around 2% Margin of eror is the best IMO), but isn't Monte Carlo's algorithm, a thing that the actual calculator (the platform) uses?, because I'm not sure if Vahaduo uses it, I've used other platforms that explicitly say they use it, and the results were much more all over the place than Vahaduo and IllustrativeDNA.

[HelloGuys]

@HelloGuys
I think it's weird too, lol, but, it is there! Usually, when I use calculators, I get Baleares or more rarelly Murcia, or Southern French + Italian, sometimes even 50% Northern Italian, never Western Iberian, even my Iron age Iberian breakdown is "Iberian : 19.4% Cantabrian : 7.6%", so... IDK.

Maybe you have other ancestry besides Portuguese or Galician, your yoruba is absorbing all your Taforalt and G25 believes is correct or maybe both...but remember that Gedmatch and G25 aren't perfect at all, even the creator when he want to get a point of something uses qpAdm.

We could say that G25 is the imperfect and for dummies of qpAdm basically.

[Jingle Bell]

Maybe you have other ancestry besides Portuguese or Galician, your yoruba is absorbing all your Taforalt and G25 believes is correct or maybe both...but remember that Gedmatch and G25 aren't perfect at all, even the creator when he want to get a point of something uses qpAdm.

We could say that G25 is the imperfect and for dummies of qpAdm basically.

Yeah, also u know any tutorial that how use qpAdm? i dont find anyone bruh

[HelloGuys]

I think a margin of error of 5% is too high for G25, lol (I'd say around 2% Margin of eror is the best IMO), but isn't Monte Carlo's algorithm, a thing that the actual calculator (the platform) uses?, because I'm not sure if Vahaduo uses it, I've used other platforms that explicitly say they use it, and the results were much more all over the place than Vahaduo and IllustrativeDNA.

It is Monte Carlo's algorithm along nMonte, the difference is that Vahaduo (G25) is easier to use, faster and you can use more references in a model.

[HelloGuys]

I usually in g25 i use read with a margin of error of 5% (Was what a guy in reddit recommended to me so XD)

I haven't read anything official like that about the percentage of margin of error in G25.

[Jingle Bell]

I haven't read anything official like that about the percentage of margin of error in G25.

Neither, was just a guy on reddit which say me, idk if is true

[HelloGuys]

Yeah, also u know any tutorial that how use qpAdm? i dont find anyone bruh

No bruh, but in Anthrogenica there are users who use it; so maybe asking them or searching a specific thread.

[Eurafricanid]

Maybe you have other ancestry besides Portuguese or Galician, your yoruba is absorbing all your Taforalt and G25 believes is correct or maybe both...but remember that Gedmatch and G25 aren't perfect at all, even the creator when he want to get a point of something uses qpAdm.

We could say that G25 is the imperfect and for dummies of qpAdm basically.

Do you actually use qpAdm tho? You talk a lot about it. And about the Yoruba, usually, when I use calculators I usually use the same samples, and I always get 0% Taforalt (or close to it), and I match more Central-Western African Tribes, than Yoruba.

ex:


Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.1323% / 0.01132313
50.8 Christian_Northern_Iberian_MA
29.4 Cameroon-Congo
17.2 West_Africa
2.6 South_Amerindian

Thanks! I literally only added the Sub Saharan, and Amerindian Ancestry, and :eek: bruh!

[HelloGuys]

Do you actually use qpAdm tho? You talk a lot about it. And about the Yoruba, usually, when I use calculators I usually use the same samples, and I always get 0% Taforalt (or close to it), and I match more Central-Western African Tribes, than Yoruba.

ex:

I already wrote my reasons on that quote bruh. For example current Africans in G25 absorb in any or other way some African references, that's the reason I posted the Shum lake reference that is the one which absorb the least due it's basal West African (More ancient than Iberomaurusian).

qpAdm is the tool that scientists use in scientific papers; you should to give it a try if you want more precise results, but first has to learn how to use it.

It's the best one about ancestry, but still has weak points:

"However, we caution against co-analyzing ancient and present-day data, the inclusion of an extremely large number of reference populations in a single model, and analyzing population histories involving extended periods of gene flow."

https://academic.oup.com/genetics/article/217/4/iyaa045/6070149

So doesn't exist anything that can give you 100% all the truth...but it's the closest thing for now.

[HelloGuys]

Yeah, also u know any tutorial that how use qpAdm? i dont find anyone bruh

I found this; idk if it could help you:

https://academic.oup.com/genetics/article/217/4/iyaa045/6070149?login=false

[HelloGuys]

Yeah ur Taforalt its kinda high compared to mine, but keep in mind that u are more iberian than me ( 45% - 50% vs ~62%) so its expected to u have have more Taforalt,
abt IRN can be also possibly from serfadis like me, or ur iberians ancestors were just more Roman like, have a lot of variables XD

Yeah, but even if I am 62.2% I am scoring more Taforalt than some/many fully Spaniards so still is impressive the percentage I have lol.

My Iranian N is absorbing my ANF and in consequence my Yamnaya, I have Iran N but is a lot less than my results are showing.

[Jingle Bell]

Yeah, but even if I am 62.2% I am scoring more Taforalt than some/many fully Spaniards so still is impressive the percentage I have lol.

Maybe ur ENF/Iran N + some SSA is begin read was taforalt? idk

ty for the link, lets see if i can use that XD

[HelloGuys]

Maybe ur ENF/Iran N + some SSA is begin read was taforalt? idk

ty for the link, lets see if i can use that XD

I just I have more Taforalt due my ancestors :D

You're welcome, if you find out how to use it correctly, then I'd ask you for some models jaja

[PONTID]

MY RESULT HERE :thumb001:


Bronze Age

https://i.ibb.co/x72NDNy/Sn-mek-obrazovky-171.png

Iron Age

https://i.ibb.co/dGh9KT0/Sn-mek-obrazovky-174.png

Migration Period

https://i.ibb.co/MSH1FvH/Sn-mek-obrazovky-175.png


Middle Ages

https://i.ibb.co/686TMPc/Sn-mek-obrazovky-176.png

[Jingle Bell]

MY RESULT HERE :thumb001:


Bronze Age

https://i.ibb.co/x72NDNy/Sn-mek-obrazovky-171.png

Iron Age

https://i.ibb.co/dGh9KT0/Sn-mek-obrazovky-174.png

Migration Period

https://i.ibb.co/MSH1FvH/Sn-mek-obrazovky-175.png


Middle Ages

https://i.ibb.co/686TMPc/Sn-mek-obrazovky-176.png

Cool results, looks like u are mainly a mix of Balto-Slav. Balkan and some Celto-Germanic

Try using the region from u are, the Global mode is kinda inaccurate, try using Balkjan Western (Since that region got Slavic, Balkanic, Anatolian and etc. . ) should work better

[kingmob]

Yeah, also u know any tutorial that how use qpAdm? i dont find anyone bruh


My signature.

[Jingle Bell]

My signature.

Oh man, tysm ;)

[PONTID]

Try using the region from u are, the Global mode is kinda inaccurate, try using Balkjan Western (Since that region got Slavic, Balkanic, Anatolian and etc. . ) should work better



I just tried West Balkans/East Europe Slavic. Global was more accurate


Iron Age (West Balkans/East Europe)

https://i.ibb.co/F76kHzX/Sn-mek-obrazovky-177.png
https://i.ibb.co/Jz1QNRh/Sn-mek-obrazovky-178.png

Migration Period (West Balkans/East Europe)
https://i.ibb.co/SwJmdwn/Sn-mek-obrazovky-179.png
https://i.ibb.co/4m3nKG7/Sn-mek-obrazovky-180.png

Middle Ages (West Balkans/East Europe)

https://i.ibb.co/6bHjw5f/Sn-mek-obrazovky-181.png
https://i.ibb.co/j4C9qQb/Sn-mek-obrazovky-182.png

[Gallop]

I will highlight the two major components of the Spanish gene pool.



Iron Age

Breakdown

Mine

Cantabrian : 30.8%
Tartessian : 11.8%
Celtiberian : 3.8%

Continental Celt (Hallstatt Culture) : 28.0%
Continental Celt (Belgae) : 6.2%

Father

Continental Celt (Boii) : 41.8%

Cantabrian : 33.4%
Celtiberian : 5.6%

[mariusz99]

I just tried West Balkans/East Europe Slavic. Global was more accurate


Iron Age (West Balkans/East Europe)

https://i.ibb.co/F76kHzX/Sn-mek-obrazovky-177.png
https://i.ibb.co/Jz1QNRh/Sn-mek-obrazovky-178.png

Migration Period (West Balkans/East Europe)
https://i.ibb.co/SwJmdwn/Sn-mek-obrazovky-179.png
https://i.ibb.co/4m3nKG7/Sn-mek-obrazovky-180.png

Middle Ages (West Balkans/East Europe)

https://i.ibb.co/6bHjw5f/Sn-mek-obrazovky-181.png
https://i.ibb.co/j4C9qQb/Sn-mek-obrazovky-182.png

Two questions:

Which Germanic tribe you have in Migration Period? You have even more Germanic than my girlfriend. She has 95-98% Polish roots.
You scored also something from India. Do you have maybe Gypsy ancestors? I know small percentages can be noise but for my girlfriend 2-5% Asia is accurate.

[Gallop]

I will highlight the two major components of the Spanish gene pool.


Iron Age

Breakdown

Mine

Cantabrian : 30.8%
Tartessian : 11.8%
Celtiberian : 3.8%

Continental Celt (Hallstatt Culture) : 28.0%
Continental Celt (Belgae) : 6.2%

Father

Continental Celt (Boii) : 41.8%

Cantabrian : 33.4%
Celtiberian : 5.6%

@VikingMallorcaSpain

Te acuerdas que publiqué las mujeres celtíberas que me habían salido en la IA, donde me empezaron a parecer demasiado germánicas para ser celtas y me recordaste que había una población germánica (germani) en la actual Castilla La Mancha y que algún erudito antigua la había mencionado.



https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhCM7HW6aTkj5mrCHHZHJyrEyh8gTYo3ordbCA5tfIn2n s1F3JWFcf07UpaJAroxPthsQ9DAIczTwXkoo0msnSwmbY4d7aT QtUuMRn5DEMbZsV_J5hCvRjxdgjrPxUimN4KVy1hz_Jud4woo8 WCx-TP_qMxt-hPdnHv3Kfchjlz6QozlMCe6ZKTbsO4/s9032/CeltiberianWomen.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Iberia_300BC-es.svg/650px-Iberia_300BC-es.svg.png

[Aila]

Bronze Age:
Western Steppe (3300–2600 BC)48.0%
European Farmer (6300–2800 BC)23.4%
Baltic Hunter-Gatherer (5200–4200 BC)21.4%
Central Siberian (2400–2000 BC)7.2%

Iron Age:
Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)53.6%
Germanic (AD 100–600)38.0%
Central Siberian (2400–2000 BC)8.4%

Migration Period:
Germanic (AD 100–630)31.4%
Baltic (AD 260–540)27.6%
Saami (AD 300–800)26.6%
Slavic (AD 540–1100)14.4%

Middle Ages:
Saami (AD 300–800)26.6%
Germanic (AD 700–1000)26.2%
Slavic (AD 540–1270)24.0%
Baltic (AD 900–1050)23.2%

[PONTID]

Two questions:

Which Germanic tribe you have in Migration Period? You have even more Germanic than my girlfriend. She has 95-98% Polish roots.
You scored also something from India. Do you have maybe Gypsy ancestors? I know small percentages can be noise but for my girlfriend 2-5% Asia is accurate.

nope. all my ancestor are ukrainian live in central ukraine since 17th century. none gypsies and jewish in my family

https://i.ibb.co/FVmsKYS/Sn-mek-obrazovky-183.png

[PONTID]

Which Germanic tribe you have in Migration Period?


Goths make sense

https://i.ibb.co/5K4kn4w/Sn-mek-obrazovky-184.png

[Beowulf]

How much does it cost this?

[Jingle Bell]

How much does it cost this?

26.99 Euros, u get ur PCA ancient & modern map, ancients & modern breakdown, periodical ancestry mode, informations about all IllustrativeDna samples and u get ur real g25 coordinates

[alexmegas777]

Global mode
https://i.ibb.co/KyGsByZ/1.png
https://i.ibb.co/BTmCh9w/2.png
https://i.ibb.co/xsYzPLF/3.png
https://i.ibb.co/0sPwkgV/4.png

[MandM]

[QUOTE=alexmegas777;7644287]Global mode
https://i.ibb.co/KyGsByZ/1.png
https://i.ibb.co/BTmCh9w/2.png
https://i.ibb.co/xsYzPLF/3.png
Maby Roman legioner who stayed in the balkans and mixed with the Balkan population, or am i maby waaaay of, what do you think?

[Beowulf]

26.99 Euros, u get ur PCA ancient & modern map, ancients & modern breakdown, periodical ancestry mode, informations about all IllustrativeDna samples and u get ur real g25 coordinates

I will probably buy it later

[SouthDutch7991]

I tried it using the region I'm from. This time it really wants me to be French.

Bronze Age:

https://imgur.com/cw4MaUr.png


Iron Age:

https://imgur.com/Drt8FLv.png


Migration Period:

https://imgur.com/c9zoQqO.png


Middle Ages:

https://imgur.com/QyWJGJl.png

[Beowulf]

How much do i need ti wait for results?

[Far_away]

Iron age

Illyrian (750–200 BC)
53.6%
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Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)
32.6%
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Anatolian (780–30 BC)
11.6%
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Phoenician (1000–330 BC)
2.2%

Migration period

Roman Illyria (AD 100–600)
54.4%
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Slavic (AD 540–1100)
45.6%

Middle ages

Balkans (AD 500–1000)
60.2%
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Slavic (AD 540–1270)
39.8%

i also got the cords i guess results will be different now because i always used simulated :D

[Far_away]

How much do i need ti wait for results?

i waited for 2 days

[Jingle Bell]

i waited for 2 days

Yeah mine taked 2 days too

[Beowulf]

i ordered it right now

[Jingle Bell]

i ordered it right now

Congrats! Hehe im alr anxious to see ur thread abt ur IllustrativeDna and g25 results :thumb001:

[Beowulf]

Congrats! Hehe im alr anxious to see ur thread abt ur IllustrativeDna and g25 results :thumb001:

Yeah me too im not very patient at these things

[Beowulf]

i got my results:

https://i.postimg.cc/3Nnvh6d4/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-51-03.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/gktZBfC1/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-52-09.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/fTRdCwrx/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-53-11.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/2SqZp0my/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-53-23.png (https://postimages.org/)


im so French and Gallic XD i should change my name to Asterix lol


and the modern one i think is alright:


Southwest Europe
64.4%
Basque
41.4%
Basque (France)
36.6%
Basque (Roncal)
4.8%
French (Occitan)
23.0%
French (Occitanie Lozere)
15.6%
French (Occitanie Hautes-Pyrenees Bigorre Lourdes)
7.4%
Southeast Europe
13.8%
Aegean Sea
13.8%
Greek (Ikaria-Samos)
13.8%
North Africa
10.4%
Maghreb
10.4%
Moroccan Berber (Shilha)
8.0%
Moroccan Berber (Senhaja de Srair)
2.4%
West Europe
9.0%
French (Arpitan)
9.0%
French (Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes Rhone)
9.0%
East Europe
2.4%
East Slavic
2.4%
Ukrainian (Kharkiv)
2.4%
Fit: 1.473 (Good)

[HelloGuys]

i got my results:

https://i.postimg.cc/3Nnvh6d4/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-51-03.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/gktZBfC1/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-52-09.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/fTRdCwrx/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-53-11.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/2SqZp0my/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-53-23.png (https://postimages.org/)


im so French and Gallic XD i should change my name to Asterix lol


and the modern one i think is alright:


Southwest Europe
64.4%
Basque
41.4%
Basque (France)
36.6%
Basque (Roncal)
4.8%
French (Occitan)
23.0%
French (Occitanie Lozere)
15.6%
French (Occitanie Hautes-Pyrenees Bigorre Lourdes)
7.4%
Southeast Europe
13.8%
Aegean Sea
13.8%
Greek (Ikaria-Samos)
13.8%
North Africa
10.4%
Maghreb
10.4%
Moroccan Berber (Shilha)
8.0%
Moroccan Berber (Senhaja de Srair)
2.4%
West Europe
9.0%
French (Arpitan)
9.0%
French (Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes Rhone)
9.0%
East Europe
2.4%
East Slavic
2.4%
Ukrainian (Kharkiv)
2.4%
Fit: 1.473 (Good)

Congratulations! You received them very quickly bruh

What about your coords? Can we see them?

[Jingle Bell]

i got my results:

https://i.postimg.cc/3Nnvh6d4/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-51-03.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/gktZBfC1/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-52-09.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/fTRdCwrx/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-53-11.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/2SqZp0my/Screenshot-2023-01-13-19-53-23.png (https://postimages.org/)


im so French and Gallic XD i should change my name to Asterix lol


and the modern one i think is alright:


Southwest Europe
64.4%
Basque
41.4%
Basque (France)
36.6%
Basque (Roncal)
4.8%
French (Occitan)
23.0%
French (Occitanie Lozere)
15.6%
French (Occitanie Hautes-Pyrenees Bigorre Lourdes)
7.4%
Southeast Europe
13.8%
Aegean Sea
13.8%
Greek (Ikaria-Samos)
13.8%
North Africa
10.4%
Maghreb
10.4%
Moroccan Berber (Shilha)
8.0%
Moroccan Berber (Senhaja de Srair)
2.4%
West Europe
9.0%
French (Arpitan)
9.0%
French (Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes Rhone)
9.0%
East Europe
2.4%
East Slavic
2.4%
Ukrainian (Kharkiv)
2.4%
Fit: 1.473 (Good)

Congrats! Very cool results, típico Celtiberico

[Beowulf]

Congratulations! You received them very quickly bruh

What about your coords? Can we see them?


Target: Ivorix_scaled
Distance: 1.0251% / 0.01025108 | R5P
40.2 Iberian_Penninsula
32.2 Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope
16.0 Sardinia
7.0 West_North_Africa
4.6 Yemenite_Jew

[Mayuk24]

Mines c;

https://serv1.dragndropz.com/user_images/2023_01_13/6230_LgR8yh_324894015_1152754692274968_80439249492 52923846_n.jpg


https://serv1.dragndropz.com/user_images/2023_01_13/6231_5Sa8fR_324676127_5860096497407595_23946397611 2354973_n.jpg


https://serv1.dragndropz.com/user_images/2023_01_13/6232_hovwg0_324756193_1246672936282162_61950164414 38829168_n.jpg


https://serv1.dragndropz.com/user_images/2023_01_13/6233_1YZhY2_324419989_720721816038293_527404940801 0941982_n.jpg


https://serv1.dragndropz.com/user_images/2023_01_13/6234_qskov5_324665138_903622110774867_650021419246 3350432_n.jpg

[Beowulf]

without any limitation:

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France (AD 130–1400)
18.6%
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Italic and Etruscan (900–200 BC)
18.2%
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Iberian (AD 300–1200)
13.4%
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Sardinian (AD 770–1000)
10.8%
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Germanic (AD 700–1000)
7.0%
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Roman Iberia (AD 260–500)
6.2%
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North African (AD 580–1160)
5.4%
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Roman Gaul (AD 130–500)
5.2%
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Germanic (AD 100–600)
4.0%
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Arabian Peninsula
4.0%
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Insular Celt (AD 100–1000)
3.6%
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Roman North Africa (AD 120–220)
2.0%
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Germanic (AD 100–630)
0.8%
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Khwarazm and Transoxiana (100 BC–AD 950)
0.4%
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Iberian (700–50 BC)
0.4%

[Beowulf]

my best fit is with North Italy in ancient breakdown:

https://i.postimg.cc/gJhGWB2z/Screenshot-2023-01-13-20-35-25.png (https://postimages.org/)




edit: i got the best fit with Sardinian:



France (AD 130–1400)59.2%

Sardinian (AD 770–1000)13.8%

North African (AD 580–1160)12.2%

Italian (AD 650–1450)10.8%

Germanic (AD 700–1000)4.0%

[Beowulf]

im liking the real coordinates seems consistent:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 1.6581% / 0.01658142
46.2 North_Iberia
23.8 Scotland
9.6 East_Europe
8.8 West_Maghreb
8.4 Yemenite_Jewish
3.2 Greece_&_Albania

[Jingle Bell]

im liking the real coordinates seems consistent:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 1.6581% / 0.01658142
46.2 North_Iberia
23.8 Scotland
9.6 East_Europe
8.8 West_Maghreb
8.4 Yemenite_Jewish
3.2 Greece_&_Albania

Hey, can u show ur iberian region results? ik u said the distance was bad but im curious to see
also i look that ur yamnaya seens very correct, iberians score 30%, British 45% and u is 1/8 right? so 1/8 x 45% = ~5% extra steppe, damn g25 looking very accurate

[Beowulf]

Hey, can u show ur iberian region results? ik u said the distance was bad but im curious to see
also i look that ur yamnaya seens very correct, iberians score 30%, British 45% and u is 1/8 right? so 1/8 x 45% = ~5% extra steppe, damn g25 looking very accurate

my iberian regions are the one's i posted here because i got the results with iberian default and my global is in my signature

[Grace O'Malley]

Hi, IllustrativeDna just got a new model, a periodical ancient ancestry mode, which separes ur results in periods

Im using Latin American mode so thats my results:

Bronze Age:
https://i.imgur.com/BgHnPF0.png
my caucasin part looks good, about 41% Bell Beaker (EEF + WSH) and the rest begin MENA, native am and ssa also looking accurate

Iron Age:
https://i.imgur.com/hLNjhn9.png
the iberians samples are from IA so they are already Hallsttat admixed (In my case i am scoring 26% from a sample from IA Cantabria, a region were celtic languages were spoken) + 10% extra celtic (im scoring Cotini, which where celts derived from Gauls), the rest is made up of Greco-Roman-Phoenician and some bit o berber, this results are looking VERY accurate

Migration Period (Roman Times):
https://i.imgur.com/HbWTeFt.png
abt 25% Roman Iberia (Which were a mix of Celt, Iberians, Roman, Phoenicians, Jews, and etc. . ) + 17% Gaul-Roman (The samples seens be a gaul + some roman/latin admixture) the rest is abt 7% levant + 3% Guanche related ancestry, again looks very accurate

Middle Ages:
https://i.imgur.com/qlFnlYv.png
28% of Iberian Post roman, 12% central Italians, but these italians samples seens kinda North shifted prob from germanic holy roman empire influence + 8% from Frenchs from MA, looks ok, not so accurate as the others periods but looks still good, the rest is some residual I. Celts (Bell Beaker + Hallsttat), levant and NA


Man i was waiting for this mode since so many time ago, and im very happy that they did a good job, all periods seens very historically accurate (just Middle Ages seens a bit weird but still good) i give a Solid 8/10, also u can use many regions like Levant, iberia, Latin America and thats change ur results based in what samples u want, just amazing :)

Great. This looks really interesting so I've uploaded my dna. Will post when it is processed. :thumb001:

[Grace O'Malley]

These are my results. All set to Global.

Bronze Age

https://i.imgur.com/rjuf2zQ.png

Iron Age

https://i.imgur.com/ll7PK3r.png

Migration Period

https://i.imgur.com/ipjPyK2.png

Middle Age

https://i.imgur.com/9oeH99Y.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Closest Ancient Populations.

Insular Celt (Votadini) 400 BC– AD 120 Distance 2.052
Insular Celt (Corieltauvi) 510–50 BC Distance 2.116
Longobard (Pannonia) AD 410–600 Distance 2.263
Insular Celt (Brigantes) 370–50 BC Distance 2.278
Insular Celt (Parisi) 400 BC– AD 120 Distance 2.385
Insular Celt (Dobunni) 400–1 BC Distance 2.432
Insular Celt (Catuvellauni) 400 BC–AD 120 Distance 2.432
Insular Celt (Roman Period) AD 100–400 Distance 2.456
Goth (Gothiscandza) AD 40–210 Distance 2.526
Insular Celt (Pict) AD 100–1000 Distance 2.541
Scandinavian Viking (Sealand) AD 800–1000 Distance 2.558
Insular Celt (Durotriges) 550 BC– AD 60 Distance 2.634
Scandinavian Viking (Funen) AD 800–1000 Distance 2.649
Insular Celt (Dumnonii) 400 BC– AD 40 Distance 2.679
Scandinavian Viking (Oxford) AD 880–1000 Distance 3.029
Scandinavian Viking (Telemark) AD 700–1000 Distance 3.040
Scandinavian (Iron Age) Distance AD 100–600 3.041
Insular Celt (Cantiaci) 400–1 BC Distance 3.041
Scandinavian Viking (Saaremaa) AD 700–800 Distance 3.142
Saxon (Oakington) AD 390–540 Distance 3.348
Quadi (Zohor) AD 100–200 Distance 3.392
West European Crusader (Sidon) AD 1190–1280 Distance 3.445
Scandinavian Viking (Nordland) AD 700–1000 Distance 3.550
Alemanni AD 580–630 Distance 3.724
Breton (Duchy of Brittany) AD 1230–1290 Distance 3.750
Frisii 170–1 BC Distance 3.837
Baiuvari AD 480–510 Distance 3.894
Continental Celt (Hallstatt Culture) 800–550 BC Distance 4.169
Continental Celt (Cotini) 190–1 BC Distance 4.951
Continental Celt (Belgae) 300–200 BC Distance 5.027

Modern Populations

https://i.imgur.com/zOLmR80.png

[Gallop]

I've been playing a bit with the colors. Map of my father and mine superimposed. Green mine, Red my father's, rest the same.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_Equn0qqC5L7dQZNYKkk4lTtg-TGCrO-kL9DMV5UnZjjpLJRrjTmar78XeaSCUGB8xrR_bQ6NtQYXt8MtD O4d7YOOyTQ7ArEG95ajHUEWNCVl6m61QWS2-oF5akb46KPF5ZdXbk4refntrd6z18iEcqEvAAPq9-NSpZA0C7LG1SYGcEKkKinvrmY4/s625/MapaModernoMioYpapa.jpg

Taking the temperature

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5NNnof9KMq1T_T4qlrEylHt_EbC690m_0w9kMWpjuNX 376NT8GT_gCARaADEWjEy5iaPSYF28qVpWBwPKgJHGByOGJyE-3KWnk-bv678AsAecslOSlQ1p5j536fSsHKk89a9myodEA3Qz-WFb2YBwR1sGXT_pSQkwu93-kUoPIeHys_Omxw5YODhW/s961/MapaModernoMioCROMATICO.jpg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwSJThVgg_FELXoHS6KXoDEAzMRt35JzR3NDLKiQpECH jL_VjehfvUgMdGUd2P-k3TbDIS72HAYAY0TtVpH0wsfdysdQ-yYIiqrqa_2PCBURafExmQZncksq8oQ2m9IMugt5lBne5k17Kht Pv5aHegIe31f3Z4GchrXwZeRkn2MhgxzyeXz9aIuRuM/s956/MapaModernoPAPACROMATICO.jpg

[Gallop]

Alguno de ustedes siendo españoles saca: Izjaslav Ingvarevych (Rurikid Dynasty) Bulgarian Slav (Byzantine Period) and Slav (Kievan Rus) en (Ancient Populations 'Mixed Mode'-3 Way) es porque lo obtiene mi padre en los 3 primero resultados y además en primer lugar de los tres que hay, el segundo es Cantabria Late Iron Age en las tres ocasiones y el tercero no me acuerdo ahora. Y me preguntaba por qué obtiene esto y si es que ustedes lo obtienen también.

[Beowulf]

Alguno de ustedes siendo españoles saca: Izjaslav Ingvarevych (Rurikid Dynasty) Bulgarian Slav (Byzantine Period) and Slav (Kievan Rus) en (Ancient Populations 'Mixed Mode'-3 Way) es porque lo obtiene mi padre en los 3 primero resultados y además en primer lugar de los tres que hay, el segundo es Cantabria Late Iron Age en las tres ocasiones y el tercero no me acuerdo ahora. Y me preguntaba por qué obtiene esto y si es que ustedes lo obtienen también.

pues no, se supone que los Rurik eran de origen Varego

[Gallop]

pues no, se supone que los Rurik eran de origen Varego

Mercis, no tenía idea de esto por dónde podía venir.

[Beowulf]

Mercis, no tenía idea de esto por dónde podía venir.

a mi en el 3-way me sale esto:

Saxon (Oakington)
17.5%
Etruscan (Pierini Tomb)
45.8%
Morisco (Iberia)
36.7%


el del morisco me sale que es un converso pero un poco South Shifted

[kingmob]

https://i.ibb.co/b75P5Mq/Screenshot-2023-01-22-at-23-22-37-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png

[Gallop]

a mi en el 3-way me sale esto:

Saxon (Oakington)
17.5%
Etruscan (Pierini Tomb)
45.8%
Morisco (Iberia)
36.7%


el del morisco me sale que es un converso pero un poco South Shifted


Sí nos los meten hasta en la sopa, en puestos preferentes como el que no quiere la cosa, muy diferente luego a lo que se obtiene en MTA.

[Beowulf]

Sí nos los meten hasta en la sopa, en puestos preferentes como el que no quiere la cosa, muy diferente luego a lo que se obtiene en MTA.

el problema de MTA es que si te fijas los resultados no son admixture si no que se basan en la distancia eucladiana por eso puedes ver muestras por ejemplo polacas y que salgan que su moderno es Español si no yo obtendria quizas mi britanico o Italiano, basicamente las primeras 100 muestras son muestras que plotean en la peninsula iberica o el suroeste de Francia, auqnue para el Deep dive si que usaran algo diferente seguramente

[Gallop]

el problema de MTA es que si te fijas los resultados no son admixture si no que se basan en la distancia eucladiana por eso puedes ver muestras por ejemplo polacas y que salgan que su moderno es Español si no yo obtendria quizas mi britanico o Italiano, basicamente las primeras 100 muestras son muestras que plotean en la peninsula iberica o el suroeste de Francia, auqnue para el Deep dive si que usaran algo diferente seguramente

Sí, siempre lo encontré raro; aunque las distancias no son cortas claro.

[Jingle Bell]

Bump
Just to see if anyone still wants share their results :)