How much Early Germanic admixture Modern Germans have?

[Jingle Bell]

Hi everyone, i saw some videos abt the Germanics tribes in Youtube and a question randomlly comes in my mind: "How much modern germans descends from the germanics tribes?" and here i am XD
I try to search abt that topic but all i saw was answers not based on genetics studies and i also dont find any study abt the genome of germans unlike i find about UK or France, im not the best with German history lol but i tried make a very simple model just to test (idk even if the samples makes historical sense sry for my ignorance XD)

https://i.imgur.com/ctxYGyE.png

So anyone more experient in this topic can answer my question? or share a study abt this?
ty for read

[mariusz99]

Rothaer is an expert when it comes to that topic

[Jingle Bell]

Any opnion?

[Beowulf]

well as i see southern germany and switzerland have more Celtic/roman admixture would make sense knowning that southern germany was part of the roman empire once and that in switzerland lived the Helvetii a celtic tribe what i didn't expected was East Germany with a very High Balto-Slavic, i know they had a lot of Slavic influence but i always thought it was still mostly Germanic.

[Beowulf]

try this sample i wanna know if it changes a lot with it but replace it with the nordic_BA:

Early_Germanic:FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o,0.135449,0.1218 64,0.083344,0.072352,0.047393,0.019522,-0.0094,0.005077,0.011453,0.001276,0.001137,0.00254 8,-0.011001,-0.013625,0.034609,0.0118,-0.004563,0.001647,0.012067,0.019384,0.000374,-0.001237,-0.004683,-0.002048,0.005389

[Jingle Bell]

try this sample i wanna know if it changes a lot with it but replace it with the nordic_BA:

Early_Germanic:FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o,0.135449,0.1218 64,0.083344,0.072352,0.047393,0.019522,-0.0094,0.005077,0.011453,0.001276,0.001137,0.00254 8,-0.011001,-0.013625,0.034609,0.0118,-0.004563,0.001647,0.012067,0.019384,0.000374,-0.001237,-0.004683,-0.002048,0.005389

https://i.imgur.com/2kx082a.png

also added scandos in target
i think work better with Nordic BA, also was in NBA were the first Germanic cultural elements were born

[Beowulf]

https://i.imgur.com/2kx082a.png

also added scandos in target
i think work better with Nordic BA, also was in NBA were the first Germanic cultural elements were born

personally i think now it looks better :) also the distances are a bit better

[Beowulf]

Nordic BA, also was in NBA were the first Germanic cultural elements were born

if we use both? idk if they will overlap to much

[Beowulf]

i used this calc that seems good too:https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/51/g25-imperial-calculator-for-italians-by-david.htm



Target: Germanic_europe:Frisian
Distance: 1.6449% / 0.01644934
89.4 GermanicInvasion
10.6 WesternEurope

Target: Germanic_europe:Swiss_German
Distance: 0.1888% / 0.00188761
44.8 GermanicInvasion
24.8 WesternEurope
20.4 PreRomanItaly
4.4 GreekColonies
3.4 HellenisticInfluence
2.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic

Target: Germanic_europe:Dutch_South_simulated
Distance: 0.1681% / 0.00168059
55.0 GermanicInvasion
41.0 WesternEurope
2.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
1.2 Medieval_Moors
0.2 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:Dutch_North_simulated
Distance: 0.5705% / 0.00570489
82.6 GermanicInvasion
16.4 WesternEurope
1.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:Dutch_Central_simulated
Distance: 0.6560% / 0.00655967
63.6 GermanicInvasion
20.4 WesternEurope
14.2 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
1.8 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:Dutch
Distance: 0.0307% / 0.00030675
83.6 GermanicInvasion
11.8 WesternEurope
1.2 ImperialMediterraneanMix
1.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
1.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
0.8 PreRomanItaly
0.4 Medieval_Moors

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian_Tyrol_simulated
Distance: 0.4413% / 0.00441307
42.4 GermanicInvasion
25.4 WesternEurope
15.0 PreRomanItaly
10.0 HellenisticInfluence
6.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
0.6 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian_Styria_simulated
Distance: 1.4510% / 0.01451032
60.0 GermanicInvasion
18.8 WesternEurope
17.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
1.2 HellenisticInfluence

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria_simulated
Distance: 1.8680% / 0.01867968
83.2 GermanicInvasion
9.8 WesternEurope
7.0 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian_Lower_Austria_simulated
Distance: 0.6565% / 0.00656495
62.4 WesternEurope
16.6 GermanicInvasion
10.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
6.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
2.6 HellenisticInfluence
1.4 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian_Carinthia_simulated
Distance: 1.2685% / 0.01268538
54.6 GermanicInvasion
16.2 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
13.8 WesternEurope
10.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
4.4 GreekColonies
0.2 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian_Burgenland_simulated
Distance: 0.6126% / 0.00612639
44.2 GermanicInvasion
18.2 WesternEurope
14.6 PreRomanItaly
11.2 HellenisticInfluence
4.4 ImperialMediterraneanMix
3.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
2.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
1.6 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:Austrian
Distance: 0.7104% / 0.00710362
30.8 WesternEurope
24.4 GermanicInvasion
18.6 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
12.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
7.2 GreekColonies
6.4 HellenisticInfluence

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Saxony_Leipzig
Distance: 0.8199% / 0.00819887
38.4 WesternEurope
25.0 GermanicInvasion
20.0 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
6.6 PreRomanItaly
6.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
4.0 HellenisticInfluence

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Hamburg
Distance: 0.3679% / 0.00367883
49.4 GermanicInvasion
28.0 WesternEurope
12.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
9.0 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
0.6 ImperialMediterraneanMix
0.2 Medieval_Moors

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Bavaria_Erlangen
Distance: 0.2049% / 0.00204854
47.0 GermanicInvasion
22.8 WesternEurope
13.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
5.6 HellenisticInfluence
5.6 GreekColonies
3.4 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
1.8 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:German
Distance: 0.1910% / 0.00190957
50.4 GermanicInvasion
22.8 WesternEurope
11.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
6.6 PreRomanItaly
2.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.6 HellenisticInfluence
2.4 GreekColonies
0.6 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_West_Prussia_simulated
Distance: 0.8442% / 0.00844193
47.0 GermanicInvasion
18.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
18.2 WesternEurope
5.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
5.4 PreRomanItaly
4.2 GreekColonies
0.8 Medieval_Moors

Target: Germanic_europe:German_West_Bohemia_simulated
Distance: 0.3130% / 0.00313036
67.2 GermanicInvasion
14.6 WesternEurope
9.4 GreekColonies
4.2 PreRomanItaly
3.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
1.2 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Thuringia_East_simulated
Distance: 0.5025% / 0.00502456
41.2 GermanicInvasion
29.0 WesternEurope
14.6 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
12.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
1.4 ImperialMediterraneanMix
1.0 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Thuringia_Central_simulated
Distance: 0.2080% / 0.00207970
62.0 GermanicInvasion
22.4 WesternEurope
7.0 PreRomanItaly
4.0 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
3.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
0.8 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_South_Hesse_simulated
Distance: 0.3152% / 0.00315151
46.6 WesternEurope
36.8 GermanicInvasion
7.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
5.6 HellenisticInfluence
4.0 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Schleswig-Holstein_simulated
Distance: 0.6674% / 0.00667437
73.2 GermanicInvasion
22.0 WesternEurope
4.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Saxony_simulated
Distance: 0.6287% / 0.00628715
79.0 GermanicInvasion
14.0 WesternEurope
7.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Saxony-Anhalt_South_simulated
Distance: 0.4292% / 0.00429165
64.8 GermanicInvasion
15.0 WesternEurope
9.6 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
6.2 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.0 PreRomanItaly
1.4 GreekColonies
1.0 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Saarland_simulated
Distance: 0.2192% / 0.00219235
46.8 WesternEurope
35.6 GermanicInvasion
8.0 PreRomanItaly
7.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.6 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Rhineland-Palatinate_simulated
Distance: 0.8035% / 0.00803528
58.0 GermanicInvasion
27.0 WesternEurope
7.0 GreekColonies
6.2 PreRomanItaly
1.8 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine_simulated
Distance: 0.8193% / 0.00819324
47.2 GermanicInvasion
26.4 WesternEurope
17.2 PreRomanItaly
4.6 HellenisticInfluence
3.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
1.2 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:German_North_Rhine_simulated
Distance: 0.6415% / 0.00641530
55.0 GermanicInvasion
27.2 WesternEurope
5.4 PreRomanItaly
5.2 HellenisticInfluence
4.6 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
2.4 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
0.2 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_North_Moravia_simulated
Distance: 0.7748% / 0.00774770
72.0 GermanicInvasion
20.2 WesternEurope
7.2 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
0.4 HellenisticInfluence
0.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic

Target: Germanic_europe:German_North_Hesse_simulated
Distance: 1.3429% / 0.01342881
56.0 GermanicInvasion
30.6 WesternEurope
8.0 PreRomanItaly
5.4 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:German_North_Bohemia_simulated
Distance: 0.6251% / 0.00625100
56.4 GermanicInvasion
20.6 WesternEurope
11.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
4.6 PreRomanItaly
4.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
3.0 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Mecklenburg_West_simulated
Distance: 0.7584% / 0.00758436
70.8 GermanicInvasion
18.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
7.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
3.4 WesternEurope

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Mecklenburg_Center-East_simulated
Distance: 0.6360% / 0.00635972
67.6 GermanicInvasion
15.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
14.8 WesternEurope
2.4 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Lower_Silesia_simulated
Distance: 0.9878% / 0.00987797
43.4 GermanicInvasion
23.8 WesternEurope
23.0 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
5.2 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.0 Medieval_Moors
1.4 GreekColonies
1.2 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Lower_Saxony_South_simulate d
Distance: 0.8520% / 0.00851990
70.4 GermanicInvasion
20.4 WesternEurope
4.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
1.4 PreRomanItaly
0.8 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Lower_Saxony_North_simulate d
Distance: 1.0485% / 0.01048463
86.8 GermanicInvasion
8.2 WesternEurope
3.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
1.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Hither_Pomerania_simulated
Distance: 0.7265% / 0.00726517
66.6 GermanicInvasion
11.4 WesternEurope
11.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
5.8 PreRomanItaly
5.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Frisian_simulated
Distance: 1.1536% / 0.01153579
81.0 GermanicInvasion
14.2 WesternEurope
4.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
0.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Farther_Pomerania_simulated
Distance: 1.4668% / 0.01466779
52.4 GermanicInvasion
35.0 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
12.6 WesternEurope

Target: Germanic_europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland_simu lated
Distance: 5.1730% / 0.05172994
80.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
13.8 WesternEurope
5.4 GermanicInvasion

Target: Germanic_europe:German_East_Prussia_Masuria_simula ted
Distance: 1.2596% / 0.01259606
39.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
26.6 WesternEurope
24.4 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
9.8 GermanicInvasion

Target: Germanic_europe:German_East_Prussia_Central_simula ted
Distance: 5.2633% / 0.05263290
40.8 GermanicInvasion
34.2 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
25.0 WesternEurope

Target: Germanic_europe:German_County_Glatz_simulated
Distance: 0.4626% / 0.00462646
40.8 GermanicInvasion
30.4 WesternEurope
15.8 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
6.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
3.2 PreRomanItaly
2.0 HellenisticInfluence
1.0 ImperialMediterraneanMix
0.8 Medieval_Moors

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Brandenburg_Outlier_Beeskow _simulated
Distance: 2.3327% / 0.02332652
48.6 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
34.8 WesternEurope
16.6 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Brandenburg_Northwest_simul ated
Distance: 0.8094% / 0.00809352
62.4 GermanicInvasion
13.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
13.0 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
10.8 WesternEurope

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Bavarian_Swabia_simulated
Distance: 0.8870% / 0.00886965
41.8 GermanicInvasion
33.0 WesternEurope
10.4 Slav_Byzantine_or_Slavonic
8.2 HellenisticInfluence
4.8 PreRomanItaly
1.8 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Bavaria_Proper_simulated
Distance: 1.2176% / 0.01217556
61.8 GermanicInvasion
15.8 WesternEurope
15.4 PreRomanItaly
5.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
2.0 GreekColonies

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz_simulated
Distance: 0.6429% / 0.00642884
53.4 WesternEurope
29.4 GermanicInvasion
17.0 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
0.2 ImperialMediterraneanMix

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Bavaria_Lower-Middle_Franconia_simulated
Distance: 1.9055% / 0.01905473
70.2 GermanicInvasion
24.4 WesternEurope
3.0 GreekColonies
1.6 HellenisticInfluence
0.8 PreRomanItaly

Target: Germanic_europe:German_Baden-Württemberg_simulated
Distance: 0.9546% / 0.00954594
43.0 GermanicInvasion
31.6 WesternEurope
11.2 HellenisticInfluence
8.4 Medieval_Eurasian_Hordes
5.8 PreRomanItaly

[Jingle Bell]

if we use both? idk if they will overlap to much

https://i.imgur.com/Rm6jp3h.png