It's possibly G25 simulated by k36 work better than original g25 by David?

[Ahaddad]

I made this question based on my own experience, for me the g25 simulated made with k36 EUROGENES , worked much better than David's original for me. I want know about other impressions and explaining that.

I'm half Lebanese from dad side, from mother a mixing of north Italian, Portuguese, Spanish with little native Brazilian.


Look

Original g25

ahscaled,0.086506,0.137096,-0.019233,-0.039083,0.006155,-0.01004,-0.002585,-0.011538,0.006954,0.01221,-0.003897,-0.003597,-0.000446,0.003716,0.0057,-0.001724,-0.016559,0.000507,0.003645,-0.005127,0.00025,0.007666,-0.001109,-0.000241,-0.004311

Simulated by k36

Ah_simulated_g25_scaled,0.09250306663200017,0.1359 88194375,-0.013744439046799978,-0.042700818656999845,0.003887163715000019,-0.014923673358840008,-0.0021174903260000356,-0.004380021461999888,0.004778963285999777,0.013367 234681000054,0.0027135223826040005,0.0011089192570 000218,-0.000717915070000014,-0.004524171263999732,-0.00033408818300000725,0.0022185548389999296,-0.00016221842300009892,0.001140465496000033,-0.0002277938819999891,-0.002102081883600005,-0.0015880271700003251,0.0003752033569999272,-0.000603159825000029,0.000011278561000020726,-0.00012599315800028432


G25 original simulated parents

DadG25Originalscaled,0.069997645,0.1336589,-0.05514933,-0.07065985,-0.0141048,-0.0228948,-0.00313385,-0.013165725,0.00141725,0.006240735,0.002241675,-0.0065229,0.011255947,0.00042776,-0.001912185,0.00607075,-0.0087791,-0.0017391,0.00604535,-0.004083,-0.00081985,0.00443265,-0.001861,-0.00068335,-0.0007805


MomG25Origianlscaled,0.103014355,0.1405331,0.01668 333,-0.00750615,0.0264148,0.0028148,-0.00203615,-0.009910275,0.01249075,0.018179265,-0.010035675,-0.0006711,-0.012147947,0.00700424,0.013312185,-0.00951875,-0.02433890,0.0027531,0.00124465,-0.006171,0.00131985,0.01089935,-0.000357,0.00020135,-0.0078415


G25 simulated by k36 to simulated parents

DadG25k36simulated,0.0716706,0.13520083,-0.049591333,-0.068142233,-0.013561367,-0.022515667,-0.0017076667,-0.004646,0.0017043333,0.0043310333,0.0052830667,-0.0044860333,0.0100098,0.0016928333,-0.0037820667,0.0063157,0.00029123333,4.2333333E-05,0.0019608667,-0.0016591,-0.00022873333,0.00049053333,-0.00087913333,0.0026226667,0.0017283333

MomG25k36simulated,0.113335533,0.136775559,0.02210 2455,-0.017259404,0.021335694,-0.00733168,-0.002527314,-0.004114043,0.007853593,0.022403436,0.000143978,0. 006703872,-0.01144563,-0.010741176,0.00311389,-0.00187859,-0.00061567,0.002238598,-0.002416454,-0.002545064,-0.002947321,0.000259873,-0.000327186,-0.00260011,-0.00198032

[Ahaddad]

Special thanks to
vbnetkhio

[Beowulf]

original Coordinates:
Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4348% / 0.02434779 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.6 Iberian_Penninsula
27.8 Great_Britain_Ireland
9.2 West_North_Africa
4.4 Yemenite_Jew
2.6 East_Europe
2.4 Finland_Karelia_Ingria

simulated k36:

Target: IvorixK36
Distance: 0.6205% / 0.00620548 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.6 Iberian_Penninsula
18.4 Sardinia
12.4 Great_Britain_Ireland
2.6 Arabia
2.0 Volga_Ural

[Ahaddad]

original Coordinates:
Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4348% / 0.02434779 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.6 Iberian_Penninsula
27.8 Great_Britain_Ireland
9.2 West_North_Africa
4.4 Yemenite_Jew
2.6 East_Europe
2.4 Finland_Karelia_Ingria

simulated k36:

Target: IvorixK36
Distance: 0.6205% / 0.00620548 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.6 Iberian_Penninsula
18.4 Sardinia
12.4 Great_Britain_Ireland
2.6 Arabia
2.0 Volga_Ural

What you think better to you based your know ancestry ?

[Beowulf]

What you think better to you based your know ancestry ?

idk both are good but i think the original is better because i always had the problem with sardinian that showed very high and doesn't make sense it would a representation of the Med part of Iberians and later i have some British ancestry and 1/6 North Italian but i don't usually show high italian maybe 2%-5% sometimes but my dad more(because came from his side)

[Ahaddad]

I see that but I see you have French background if was from south could be close to basque who explain Sardinian input, i have many southwest French friends who match with Spanish's or same Corsican or Sardinian.

[Beowulf]

I see that but I see you have French background if was from south could be close to basque who explain Sardinian input, i have many southwest French friends who match with Spanish's or same Corsican or Sardinian.

yeah well at least now doesn't appear as like 20% or something like that in a lot of calcs some members of my family were scoring even30%

[Ahaddad]

yeah well at least now doesn't appear as like 20% or something like that in a lot of calcs some members of my family were scoring even30%

Your family 30% on simulated ?

[Beowulf]

Your family 30% on simulated ?

yes, i only have simulated for they me im the only with original

[Ahaddad]

yes, i only have simulated for they me im the only with original

Yes, but it's possibly simulated by k36 work better than original g25?

[Beowulf]

Yes, but it's possibly simulated by k36 work better than original g25?

personally i think both works very good but idk maybe the originals are better

[Eurafricanid]

They might look like thy're better, but they're actually more distant from reality, which is what matters, right?

[Beowulf]

They might look like thy're better, but they're actually more distant from reality, which is what matters, right?

are sim coords really that worse?

[Eurafricanid]

are sim coords really that worse?

Not worse, but more distant from reality.

[Ahaddad]

Not worse, but more distant from reality.

It's depend, I have one friend who is half Armenian from Gaziantep and half Lebanese Christian, the simulated coordinates by k36 put exactly half Armenian from his mom city and half Lebanese Christian, very very accurate in other side original g25 put him as Assyrian or Caucasus Jews

[Eurafricanid]

It's depend, I have one friend who is half Armenian from Gaziantep and half Lebanese Christian, the simulated coordinates by k36 put exactly half Armenian from his mom city and half Lebanese Christian, very very accurate in other side original g25 put him as Assyrian or Caucasus Jews

Again, not just because he is half Armenian and the simulated ones show half armenian it means that it's more accurate. Also Assyrian and Caucasus Jews are prety close to Armenan + Lebanese, so maybe the simulated ones are seeing him as two separated halves while the real one see him as a blend of the two :thumb001:.

[Ahaddad]

Again, not just because he is half Armenian and the simulated ones show half armenian it means that it's more accurate. Also Assyrian and Caucasus Jews are prety close to Armenan + Lebanese, so maybe the simulated ones are seeing him as two separated halves while the real one see him as a blend of the two :thumb001:.

Yes, so to 2 pop mixing maybe better btw.. but like I say it's my opinion, if you see in start of post my coordinates of both, u will see that original give much Arabian admixture

[Beowulf]

well the only problem that i have with original coords is that are more Noisy than the k13 sim

i personally preffer the simulation of K13 or K15 i think they are very good

[Eurafricanid]

Yes, so to 2 pop mixing maybe better btw.. but like I say it's my opinion, if you see in start of post my coordinates of both, u will see that original give much Arabian admixture


well the only problem that i have with original coords is that are more Noisy than the k13 sim

i personally preffer the simulation of K13 or K15 i think they are very good


Yeah! You can like'em, and that's perfectly fine, just keep in mind that they're not based on your DNA, and probably are further away from reality :thumb001:.

[Beowulf]

Yeah! You can like'em, and that's perfectly fine, just keep in mind that they're not based on your DNA, and probably are further away from reality :thumb001:.

True for my family works well the sim(if i delete sometimes the sardinian samples lol) but i hope one day i can get their real one's

[Jingle Bell]

Simulated generally sifh u more South generally

[Beowulf]

Simulated generally sifh u more South generally

that's true with simulated i was more south and east shifted and now i plot perfectly in Iberia and France and later North Italy etc...

[Jingle Bell]

Genetic distance;

Distance to: JingleBell_scaled
0.02514184 Jingle_Bell_Simulated_Scaled

[vader]

My simulated vs real...

First... ancient results:

Simulated:

Target: Luso_simulated
Distance: 2.9457% / 0.02945714
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
30.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
4.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka

vs

Real:


Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.2352% / 0.04235246
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 Dinka



Modern distance comparison:

Simulated-



Distance to: Luso_simulated
0.01241226 Portuguese
0.01276921 Spanish_Galicia
0.01511185 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.01524319 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01530435 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01722448 Spanish_Murcia
0.01733166 Spanish_Alacant
0.01816630 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01820858 Spanish_Baleares
0.01886551 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01948329 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01966071 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02008511 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02108179 Spanish_Valencia
0.02131036 Spanish_Menorca
0.02135375 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02190154 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02261079 Spanish_Girona
0.02395887 Spanish_Lleida
0.02402246 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02404231 Spanish_Penedes
0.02419935 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02434439 Spanish_Aragon
0.02461552 Spanish_Castello
0.02533736 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre



Real:



Distance to: Luso_scaled
0.02534072 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02715626 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02868336 Portuguese
0.02927137 Spanish_Galicia
0.02962993 Spanish_Asturias
0.03067866 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03143928 Spanish_Murcia
0.03222368 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03346217 Spanish_Canarias
0.03369607 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03401931 Spanish_Menorca
0.03465368 Spanish_Alacant
0.03518269 Spanish_Valencia
0.03548847 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03582007 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03722806 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03726135 Spanish_Aragon
0.03748683 Spanish_Baleares
0.03849595 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03862101 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03877322 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03913698 Spanish_Lleida
0.03927272 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03996741 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04139247 Spanish_Girona




Simulated results do seem to make more sense in my case. But who knows how g25's real coordinates are produced the way they are?


Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.6999% / 0.02699891
100.0 Luso_simulated