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01-16-2023, 02:58 AM

Final version of the Realistic Iberian Calculator
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Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939,0.1 17238,0.144205,0.043369,-0.014212,0.055395,-0.014223,0.00094,0.001846,0.047654,0.060685,-0.003735,0.007343,-0.018583,-0.014726,0.007329,0.007425,-0.001956,-0.006841,0,0.001251,0.018093,0.002349,-0.000863,-0.030486,0.002754
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Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701,0.126344,0.145221,0.03 9598,0.000646,0.038469,0.000279,0.00188,0.006923,0 .006954,0.018041,-0.003085,0.005845,-0.014717,0.004129,0.002579,-0.009679,-0.012386,0.007221,0.013575,-0.002876,0.000998,-0.004451,0.004067,-0.00253,-0.006586
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Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15041,0.125205,0.14 0143,0.043369,0.020995,0.042777,0.001116,0.00564,-0.001385,0.005727,0.02278,0.001786,0.009741,-0.00892,-0.016377,0.013572,0.012729,0.012517,-0.003927,-0.00352,-0.001626,0.010731,0.004204,0.000863,0.000361,-0.003233
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Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20517,0.129758,0.13 7096,0.047894,0.028747,0.038469,0.01757,0.00752,0. 006692,0.015748,0.019681,-0.005521,0,-0.016947,-0.007019,0.009772,0.00305,0.001173,-0.007981,0.013701,0,0.001497,0.006677,-0.002835,-0.008796,-0.003832
Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20525,0.120652,0.14 8267,0.055437,0.031331,0.042162,0.01004,0.00282,-0.005769,0.006545,0.018406,0.002111,-0.015436,-0.025124,-0.003165,-0.001357,0.010475,0.008214,0.007728,0.004902,-0.004502,0.007362,0.003586,-0.001479,-0.000482,-0.005987
Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20526,0.132035,0.13 7096,0.064488,0.036822,0.046778,0.011156,-0.002585,0.007384,0.011249,0.014579,-0.001137,0.01079,-0.014123,-0.000826,0.016965,0.015248,0.013299,0.007348,0.007 039,0.003752,-0.002371,-0.001607,-0.005546,-0.004579,0.007784

Germanic_Ruler:Migration_LIB:Suebi:LIB2,0.12862,0. 145221,0.071653,0.063308,0.045855,0.025937,0.00587 5,0.005307,-0.001023,-0.005649,-0.009743,0.002548,-0.00669,-0.00812,0.013165,0,-0.001043,-0.003674,-0.008673,0.016133,0.006863,0.006925,-0.000123,0.01687,-0.010658
Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0. 064865,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769, 0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06 939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c ,0.117238,0.133034,0.069013,0.059109,0.030467,0.01 3666,0.008695,0.013615,-0.002659,0.001276,-0.003897,0.006744,-0.015015,-0.003165,0.018594,0.005834,-0.002608,0.006841,0.005531,-0.003377,0.006738,0.006801,-0.004437,0.014942,0.006706
Germanic_Ruler:Gothic,0.129601699,0.128628296, 0.070194201,0.063413999,0.0407792,0.022368699,0.00 5429999,0.009020499,0.003015901,-0.0079066,-0.0034514,0.0045016,-0.0092687,-0.008651301,0.0226206,0.0071879,-0.006684,0.0019728,0.0026517,0.0057871,0.0084151,0 .0019783,0.000399701,0.0101653,-0.000605699

Imperial_Romans:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.1331 73,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.1274 82,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39, 0.111547,0.142174,-0.022627,-0.065892,0.002462,-0.020638,-0.00141,-0.006923,-0.004295,0.028064,0.007795,0.004796,-0.005798,0.000138,-0.013843,0.000796,0.006519,0.001394,-0.000628,0.004002,-0.00262,0.000989,-0.00037,-0.006386,-0.000838
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76, 0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR126 ,0.101303,0.150298,-0.038466,-0.074936,-0.005847,-0.020917,-0.00235,-0.007154,-0.003681,0.027882,0.004872,0.002698,-0.000892,0.001514,-0.009772,-0.003447,0.00665,-0.006968,0.002263,-0.009004,-0.004367,0.003091,-0.003328,0.003615,-0.00012
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial:ETR001,0.1138 23,0.148267,0.003394,-0.030362,0.018773,-0.024821,-0.00282,-0.001846,0.009408,0.027518,0.007632,-0.000599,-0.007284,-0.006881,0.003393,-0.006629,0.01343,-0.000887,-0.002891,-0.006128,0.006863,0.011252,0.005176,0.003735,0.009 34
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81,0.108132, 0.15436,-0.026398,-0.063308,0.005232,-0.027052,0.000705,0.008307,-0.001432,0.025149,0.005521,-0.003897,-0.002825,-0.005367,-0.010315,-0.001989,0.012126,0.004307,0.008422,0.001501,-0.010856,0.001484,0.00419,-0.001205,-0.001197
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR73,0.088782, 0.153345,-0.028661,-0.066215,0.000308,-0.01757,-0.005875,-0.005769,0.006749,0.025695,0.002436,-0.001349,0.0055,-0.00812,-0.002443,0.013657,0.014733,-0.003927,-0.002011,0.006628,-0.008984,-0.001607,-0.003697,0.003374,0.005987

Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b,0.118376 ,0.156392,-0.001131,-0.05168,0.020004,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004615,0.002863,0.030069,0.002598,0.007793,-0.012636,-0.002064,-0.012486,0.007027,0.019818,-0.002787,0.000251,-0.001126,-0.000624,0.004699,-0.001602,0.002651,-0.000359
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.118376,0.153 345,0.018479,-0.022933,0.028621,-0.01506,-0.00094,-0.003461,0.0045,0.022051,0.00065,0.007044,-0.016501,0.00055,-0.014522,-0.013126,-0.006519,0.002154,0.004022,-0.003377,-0.009733,-0.000371,0.009244,0.001807,0.000838
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652, 0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.0160 36,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66,0.111547,0.158423,-0.033187,-0.06783,0.002154,-0.026216,0.00094,-0.002538,-0.013703,0.025331,0.012991,-0.004196,-0.001041,0.00523,-0.022937,-0.014983,-0.005867,0.000507,0.004902,-0.015257,-0.005241,0.00272,-0.003451,0.00253,0.000958
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78,0.113823,0.157407,-0.031301,-0.079458,0.002154,-0.03012,-0.000705,-0.007846,-0.007772,0.019317,0.002436,0.005095,-0.009366,0.008395,-0.013436,-0.017369,-0.002217,0.000253,0.010936,-0.006503,-0.007237,-0.000989,-0.006286,-0.000482,0.005389
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128,0.118376,0.150298 ,-0.033187,-0.052326,-0.006463,-0.022311,0.001175,-0.011538,-0.018612,0.018953,0.005034,0.006294,-0.007433,0.014588,-0.019137,-0.012994,-0.007171,0.004561,0.003897,-0.013256,-0.003244,0.000618,0.005423,-0.000361,-0.008622
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43,0.111547,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.067184,0.003693,-0.025379,0.00423,-0.006,-0.007976,0.029704,0.003248,0.011839,-0.014717,0.006881,-0.017101,-0.000663,0.017341,0.003167,0.005028,-0.000625,-0.010981,0.010881,-0.003204,0.010001,-0.00012
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69,0.120652,0.146236,-0.016593,-0.05168,0.004308,-0.019522,-0.0047,-0.007846,-0.021884,0.027882,0.000325,0.01079,-0.014271,-0.003853,-0.020087,0.007558,0.034161,0.003421,0.010559,0.006 003,-0.008111,0.001855,-0.005916,-0.005422,-0.007185
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Migr:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71,0.10927, 0.158423,-0.044123,-0.068153,-0.003693,-0.029841,0.001645,-0.00923,-0.013294,0.022051,0.001949,0.002698,-0.014123,0.003853,-0.020087,-0.011005,0.009648,0.002407,0.002137,0.005503,-0.004866,-0.00643,0.002588,0.007591,-0.003473

Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012,-0.055773,0.138112,-0.003017,-0.078489,0.023081,-0.037929,-0.029141,0.006,0.080173,0.022597,0.007957,-0.008243,0.01115,-0.025873,0.028094,-0.012994,0.012386,-0.020524,-0.047011,0.008129,-0.009858,-0.04266,0.022308,-0.00253,0.011616
Berbers_&_Guanches:Kerkouane_IA,-0.072846629,0.142174118,0.003016937,-0.072352,0.032621693,-0.039618,-0.033605,0.009920714,0.090603272,0.031344596,0.011 363333,-0.0122918,0.026164226,-0.0156883,0.025515125,-0.017369144,0.00013038,-0.0269871,-0.055554828,0.0075,-0.0134748,-0.045256696,0.023296737,-0.014097,0.012337111

Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR132,0. 028456,0.139128,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.026159,-0.029562,-0.017391,0.003461,0.050517,0.03098,0.004547,-0.001798,0.003865,-0.007569,0.005972,-0.011535,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.025768,-0.003126,-0.008984,-0.017435,0.011339,-0.011086,0.005389
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR75,0.0 99026,0.153345,-0.037335,-0.070737,-0.002462,-0.029841,0.005875,-0.011769,-0.001227,0.016948,0.00682,0.002698,-0.005649,0.007569,-0.019137,0.002254,0.001695,0.000253,-0.001383,-0.007629,0.003619,-0.002102,-0.00493,-0.005181,0.008622
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72,0.1 13823,0.145221,-0.033564,-0.073321,-0.003693,-0.030957,0.008695,-0.008538,-0.005931,0.028976,0.009256,0.005545,0.002676,0.002 202,-0.010315,-0.002254,0.007432,0.002027,0.005908,-0.002501,0.000749,0.002968,-0.008504,-0.001566,0.006107
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR41,0.0 95611,0.139128,-0.036204,-0.076551,0.004924,-0.026216,-0.00282,-0.005769,0.002863,0.023508,0.003248,-0.001199,0.001635,0.004404,-0.006379,0.000796,0.002347,-0.003294,-0.001634,-0.005503,-0.005989,0.000866,0.00037,-0.001205,0.003952
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:Iberia_Ibiza_Punic:MS10614,0 .080814,0.139128,0.005657,-0.037791,0.035083,-0.016176,-0.004935,-0.007615,0.02986,0.042461,0.001624,0.010341,-0.004906,-0.007156,0.004886,0.012861,0.002217,-0.008742,-0.001508,0.003001,0.001622,-0.0115,-0.002095,-0.008676,0.005389
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL007,0. 071709,0.151314,0.008674,-0.0646,0.040931,-0.03263,-0.014806,0.003692,0.032519,0.043919,0.001624,-0.004796,-0.003865,-0.01734,-0.007193,-0.011668,-0.004955,-0.0019,-0.002263,-0.010005,-0.011729,-0.008903,-0.00419,-0.009278,0.004191
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL010,0. 050082,0.152329,0.001508,-0.081719,0.033545,-0.032351,-0.009165,-0.002769,0.035996,0.031709,0.001949,-0.005245,0.000297,-0.019405,-0.002986,0.001591,0.017863,-0.010388,-0.013073,0.001626,-0.013102,-0.007172,-0.003574,-0.011929,0.019759
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL011,0. 030732,0.146236,0.004148,-0.072675,0.035083,-0.038766,-0.009635,0.002769,0.060335,0.041914,0.010555,-0.008692,0.008474,-0.013074,0.007736,-0.001458,0.007562,-0.023057,-0.023506,0.003377,-0.019091,-0.019661,0.022061,-0.004699,0.014609

Grace O'Malley

01-16-2023, 03:11 AM

I know it isn't for me so it will be more interesting to see what others get.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.4627% / 0.03462739
100.0 Proto-Celts

HelloGuys

01-16-2023, 03:21 AM

HelloGuys

01-16-2023, 03:21 AM

I know it isn't for me so it will be more interesting to see what others get.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.4627% / 0.03462739
100.0 Proto-Celts

Mine!!! :p

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 03:27 AM

Reminds me bruh why are you using Bronze age Iberians instead Iron ages ones if the model is Iron Ages/Roman period?

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 2.0466% / 0.02046583
36.2 Amerindian
26.6 Iberia_BA
17.2 Imperial_Romans
10.8 Proto-Celts
5.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.4 SSA_IA

The model is not Iron Age/Roman period, the model is all the major contributors in the Iberian genome. I didn't use Iberian IA, because they were already Celtic-Admixed and this model is supposed to tell you every influence, including the Celtic one, btw I added some other Phoenician samples, so you should check it out again to see if anything changed.

HelloGuys

01-16-2023, 03:48 AM

The model is not Iron Age/Roman period, the model is all the major contributors in the Iberian genome. I didn't use Iberian IA, because they were already Celtic-Admixed and this model is supposed to tell you every influence, including the Celtic one, btw I added some other Phoenician samples, so you should check it out again to see if anything changed.

So how you would named this model?

This time I used all the amerindian and SSA individual samples (So no average ones) my distance decreased and I got this:

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 1.9881% / 0.01988149
36.2 Amerindian
27.2 Iberia_BA
18.0 Imperial_Romans
10.2 Proto-Celts
4.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.6 Yoruba

I didn't get Phoenician of Iberia, but my family did.

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 1.9881% / 0.01988149
18.6 Amerindian:USA_Lovelock_Cave_1850BP:Lovelock2
18.0 Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76
15.6 Amerindian:Mexico_Colonial-I10859
11.0 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD001
9.8 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD005
5.8 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I13781
4.8 Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012
3.6 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2470
3.4 Yoruba:HGDP00944
2.4 Proto-Celts:Urfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15958
2.0 Amerindian:USA_Lovelock_Cave_1850BP:Lovelock1
2.0 Proto-Celts:Urfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I16182
1.8 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I3997
1.0 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I6470
0.2 Yoruba:NA18486

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 03:56 AM

So how you would named this model?

This time I used all the amerindian and SSA individual samples (So no average ones) my distance decreased and I got this:

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 1.9881% / 0.01988149
36.2 Amerindian
27.2 Iberia_BA
18.0 Imperial_Romans
10.2 Proto-Celts
4.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.6 Yoruba

I didn't get Phoenician of Iberia, but my family did.

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 1.9881% / 0.01988149
18.6 Amerindian:USA_Lovelock_Cave_1850BP:Lovelock2
18.0 Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76
15.6 Amerindian:Mexico_Colonial-I10859
11.0 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD001
9.8 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD005
5.8 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I13781
4.8 Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012
3.6 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2470
3.4 Yoruba:HGDP00944
2.4 Proto-Celts:Urfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15958
2.0 Amerindian:USA_Lovelock_Cave_1850BP:Lovelock1
2.0 Proto-Celts:Urfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I16182
1.8 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I3997
1.0 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I6470
0.2 Yoruba:NA18486

I'ts already named "Realistic Iberian Calculator", Btw if you have Jewish DNA you could put a Jewish Sample there too, because the Jewish ancestry isn't covered by this model.

Mingle

01-16-2023, 03:59 AM

Final version of the Realistic Iberian Calculator
If you're mixed, feel free to use any samples that fit best for you.

Source:

Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1310,0.12 1791,0.152329,0.059208,0.007429,0.070782,-0.009482,-0.00329,-0.001846,0.039473,0.05704,-0.001299,0.010191,-0.017393,-0.017203,0.005429,0.015248,0.016298,-0.006841,-0.000628,0.002126,-0.001622,0.006183,-0.007518,-0.025064,-0.000599
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Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39, 0.111547,0.142174,-0.022627,-0.065892,0.002462,-0.020638,-0.00141,-0.006923,-0.004295,0.028064,0.007795,0.004796,-0.005798,0.000138,-0.013843,0.000796,0.006519,0.001394,-0.000628,0.004002,-0.00262,0.000989,-0.00037,-0.006386,-0.000838
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76, 0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR126 ,0.101303,0.150298,-0.038466,-0.074936,-0.005847,-0.020917,-0.00235,-0.007154,-0.003681,0.027882,0.004872,0.002698,-0.000892,0.001514,-0.009772,-0.003447,0.00665,-0.006968,0.002263,-0.009004,-0.004367,0.003091,-0.003328,0.003615,-0.00012
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial:ETR001,0.1138 23,0.148267,0.003394,-0.030362,0.018773,-0.024821,-0.00282,-0.001846,0.009408,0.027518,0.007632,-0.000599,-0.007284,-0.006881,0.003393,-0.006629,0.01343,-0.000887,-0.002891,-0.006128,0.006863,0.011252,0.005176,0.003735,0.009 34
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81,0.108132, 0.15436,-0.026398,-0.063308,0.005232,-0.027052,0.000705,0.008307,-0.001432,0.025149,0.005521,-0.003897,-0.002825,-0.005367,-0.010315,-0.001989,0.012126,0.004307,0.008422,0.001501,-0.010856,0.001484,0.00419,-0.001205,-0.001197
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR73,0.088782, 0.153345,-0.028661,-0.066215,0.000308,-0.01757,-0.005875,-0.005769,0.006749,0.025695,0.002436,-0.001349,0.0055,-0.00812,-0.002443,0.013657,0.014733,-0.003927,-0.002011,0.006628,-0.008984,-0.001607,-0.003697,0.003374,0.005987

Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b,0.118376 ,0.156392,-0.001131,-0.05168,0.020004,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004615,0.002863,0.030069,0.002598,0.007793,-0.012636,-0.002064,-0.012486,0.007027,0.019818,-0.002787,0.000251,-0.001126,-0.000624,0.004699,-0.001602,0.002651,-0.000359
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.118376,0.153 345,0.018479,-0.022933,0.028621,-0.01506,-0.00094,-0.003461,0.0045,0.022051,0.00065,0.007044,-0.016501,0.00055,-0.014522,-0.013126,-0.006519,0.002154,0.004022,-0.003377,-0.009733,-0.000371,0.009244,0.001807,0.000838
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652, 0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.0160 36,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66,0.111547,0.158423,-0.033187,-0.06783,0.002154,-0.026216,0.00094,-0.002538,-0.013703,0.025331,0.012991,-0.004196,-0.001041,0.00523,-0.022937,-0.014983,-0.005867,0.000507,0.004902,-0.015257,-0.005241,0.00272,-0.003451,0.00253,0.000958
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78,0.113823,0.157407,-0.031301,-0.079458,0.002154,-0.03012,-0.000705,-0.007846,-0.007772,0.019317,0.002436,0.005095,-0.009366,0.008395,-0.013436,-0.017369,-0.002217,0.000253,0.010936,-0.006503,-0.007237,-0.000989,-0.006286,-0.000482,0.005389
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128,0.118376,0.150298 ,-0.033187,-0.052326,-0.006463,-0.022311,0.001175,-0.011538,-0.018612,0.018953,0.005034,0.006294,-0.007433,0.014588,-0.019137,-0.012994,-0.007171,0.004561,0.003897,-0.013256,-0.003244,0.000618,0.005423,-0.000361,-0.008622
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43,0.111547,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.067184,0.003693,-0.025379,0.00423,-0.006,-0.007976,0.029704,0.003248,0.011839,-0.014717,0.006881,-0.017101,-0.000663,0.017341,0.003167,0.005028,-0.000625,-0.010981,0.010881,-0.003204,0.010001,-0.00012
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69,0.120652,0.146236,-0.016593,-0.05168,0.004308,-0.019522,-0.0047,-0.007846,-0.021884,0.027882,0.000325,0.01079,-0.014271,-0.003853,-0.020087,0.007558,0.034161,0.003421,0.010559,0.006 003,-0.008111,0.001855,-0.005916,-0.005422,-0.007185
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Migr:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71,0.10927, 0.158423,-0.044123,-0.068153,-0.003693,-0.029841,0.001645,-0.00923,-0.013294,0.022051,0.001949,0.002698,-0.014123,0.003853,-0.020087,-0.011005,0.009648,0.002407,0.002137,0.005503,-0.004866,-0.00643,0.002588,0.007591,-0.003473

Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun002,-0.050082,0.122879,-0.008297,-0.073321,0.022773,-0.04016,-0.029376,0.015922,0.07097,0.043919,0.009906,-0.007194,0.023934,-0.021744,0.020765,-0.009414,0.001956,-0.02065,-0.047011,0.010255,-0.008235,-0.045628,0.031551,0.007712,0.009819
Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun011,-0.044391,0.131003,-0.00528,-0.066861,0.030775,-0.03765,-0.034077,0.008538,0.07281,0.027335,0.006658,-0.006894,0.02438,-0.009634,0.024701,-0.018297,-0.007823,-0.016976,-0.052416,0.008129,-0.019091,-0.045752,0.023047,-0.007832,0.013771
Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012,-0.055773,0.138112,-0.003017,-0.078489,0.023081,-0.037929,-0.029141,0.006,0.080173,0.022597,0.007957,-0.008243,0.01115,-0.025873,0.028094,-0.012994,0.012386,-0.020524,-0.047011,0.008129,-0.009858,-0.04266,0.022308,-0.00253,0.011616
Berbers_&_Guanches:Kerkouane_IA,-0.072846629,0.142174118,0.003016937,-0.072352,0.032621693,-0.039618,-0.033605,0.009920714,0.090603272,0.031344596,0.011 363333,-0.0122918,0.026164226,-0.0156883,0.025515125,-0.017369144,0.00013038,-0.0269871,-0.055554828,0.0075,-0.0134748,-0.045256696,0.023296737,-0.014097,0.012337111

Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR132,0. 028456,0.139128,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.026159,-0.029562,-0.017391,0.003461,0.050517,0.03098,0.004547,-0.001798,0.003865,-0.007569,0.005972,-0.011535,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.025768,-0.003126,-0.008984,-0.017435,0.011339,-0.011086,0.005389
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR75,0.0 99026,0.153345,-0.037335,-0.070737,-0.002462,-0.029841,0.005875,-0.011769,-0.001227,0.016948,0.00682,0.002698,-0.005649,0.007569,-0.019137,0.002254,0.001695,0.000253,-0.001383,-0.007629,0.003619,-0.002102,-0.00493,-0.005181,0.008622
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72,0.1 13823,0.145221,-0.033564,-0.073321,-0.003693,-0.030957,0.008695,-0.008538,-0.005931,0.028976,0.009256,0.005545,0.002676,0.002 202,-0.010315,-0.002254,0.007432,0.002027,0.005908,-0.002501,0.000749,0.002968,-0.008504,-0.001566,0.006107
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR41,0.0 95611,0.139128,-0.036204,-0.076551,0.004924,-0.026216,-0.00282,-0.005769,0.002863,0.023508,0.003248,-0.001199,0.001635,0.004404,-0.006379,0.000796,0.002347,-0.003294,-0.001634,-0.005503,-0.005989,0.000866,0.00037,-0.001205,0.003952
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:Iberia_Ibiza_Punic:MS10614,0 .080814,0.139128,0.005657,-0.037791,0.035083,-0.016176,-0.004935,-0.007615,0.02986,0.042461,0.001624,0.010341,-0.004906,-0.007156,0.004886,0.012861,0.002217,-0.008742,-0.001508,0.003001,0.001622,-0.0115,-0.002095,-0.008676,0.005389
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL007,0. 071709,0.151314,0.008674,-0.0646,0.040931,-0.03263,-0.014806,0.003692,0.032519,0.043919,0.001624,-0.004796,-0.003865,-0.01734,-0.007193,-0.011668,-0.004955,-0.0019,-0.002263,-0.010005,-0.011729,-0.008903,-0.00419,-0.009278,0.004191
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL010,0. 050082,0.152329,0.001508,-0.081719,0.033545,-0.032351,-0.009165,-0.002769,0.035996,0.031709,0.001949,-0.005245,0.000297,-0.019405,-0.002986,0.001591,0.017863,-0.010388,-0.013073,0.001626,-0.013102,-0.007172,-0.003574,-0.011929,0.019759
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL011,0. 030732,0.146236,0.004148,-0.072675,0.035083,-0.038766,-0.009635,0.002769,0.060335,0.041914,0.010555,-0.008692,0.008474,-0.013074,0.007736,-0.001458,0.007562,-0.023057,-0.023506,0.003377,-0.019091,-0.019661,0.022061,-0.004699,0.014609

Gauls: (If you want to use them, I recommend replacing the Proto-Celts (or not))

Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:NOR3-6,0.137726,0.152329,0.054305,0.047481,0.030467,0.0 21196,-0.005405,0,0.010022,0.003645,-0.003735,0.021881,-0.019177,-0.012524,0.024973,-0.008221,-0.024512,0.011782,0.001634,0.008504,0.002745,0.002 597,-0.009244,-0.004338,-0.000239
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:COL11,0.12 5205,0.140143,0.060339,0.069768,0.033852,0.017012,-0.00329,0.003231,0.00634,0.005832,-0.001461,0.002997,-0.012042,0.001239,0.021851,-0.009679,-0.01343,-0.011149,0.005279,0.004502,0.007986,0.005441,0.014 913,-0.00735,0.002036
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:COL153A,0. 132035,0.158423,0.046763,0.032623,0.034468,0.00864 6,0.00705,0.011076,0.003068,0.020046,0.004547,-0.007643,-0.002081,-0.004266,0.007736,0.003182,-0.014473,0.00114,0.017723,0.005253,-0.019715,0.004575,-0.000246,-0.013616,0.004311
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:ERS1164,0. 124067,0.120848,0.053928,0.029393,0.033852,0.01366 6,0.00846,0.006923,-0.00409,0.014397,-0.00341,-0.009292,-0.009514,-0.016515,0.010179,0.008884,-0.002999,0.003421,0,-0.002626,-0.009608,0.003091,0.005053,-0.012893,0.005628
Gauls:Celtic:Celt_HLT:HUN_LaTene_IA:I20774,0.13772 6,0.137096,0.061471,0.046835,0.042469,0.020638,0.0 0376,0.008307,0.00634,-0.000911,-0.01023,0.000599,-0.001933,0.011698,0.006107,-0.00358,-0.019297,0.008361,0.007668,-0.003752,0.004367,0.006306,-0.001356,-0.004699,0.003473
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2:BFM2 65,0.12862,0.149283,0.053174,0.031654,0.050163,0.0 14781,0.001645,-0.004615,0.01268,0.01057,-0.008444,0.009142,-0.018583,-0.007432,0.019137,-0.003315,-0.014081,0.014316,0.009176,0.002001,0.001622,-0.000866,0.002465,0.000964,0.000718
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul:FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.0 44877,0.039083,0.038776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010 307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.0087 42
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:ERS86,0.12 7482,0.1635,0.041106,0.028101,0.043085,0.011156,-0.007285,0.002538,0.008795,0.010752,-0.001786,0.005995,-0.014123,0,0.007736,0.026518,-0.004172,0.011402,0.012821,-0.008129,0.000749,0.019166,-0.007272,-0.015183,-0.000359
Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:Jeb8,0.119 514,0.138112,0.056568,0.022933,0.046162,-0.003904,-0.00329,0.000692,0.014726,0.01057,-0.000325,0.009591,-0.023637,-0.009909,0.019408,0.0118,-0.000782,0.002407,0.001634,0.001,-0.011105,-0.002226,-0.013804,-0.002892,0.002994

What about East Germanics (Vandals, Goths)?

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 04:00 AM

What about East Germanics (Vandals, Goths)?

They didn't leave a great or significant inpact in the Iberian DNA.

Mingle

01-16-2023, 04:03 AM

They didn't leave a great or significant inpact in the Iberian DNA.

They had way more of an impact in Iberia than Phoenicians did.

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 04:04 AM

They had way more of an impact in Iberia than Phoenicians did.

Disagree massivelly, also the Phoenicians of Iberia category encompasses the Carthagenians, too.

Marshall Theodore

01-16-2023, 04:08 AM

They had way more of an impact in Iberia than Phoenicians did.

Source?

Coastal Elite

01-16-2023, 04:19 AM

Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 2.1363% / 0.02136322
88.6 Proto-Celts
10.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.0 Imperial_Romans

With Gauls added
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.9702% / 0.01970205
45.6 Proto-Celts
39.8 Gauls
8.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
6.2 Imperial_Romans

Gauls added and Proto-Celts Replaced

Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 2.1327% / 0.02132724
77.8 Gauls
19.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.0 Imperial_Romans

Mingle

01-16-2023, 04:52 AM

Disagree massivelly, also the Phoenicians of Iberia category encompasses the Carthagenians, too.
I double checked Phoenician rule in Iberia and I guess I underestimated it. But still, did anyone do models to confirm that Germanics had no impact?

DraviXi99

01-16-2023, 04:54 AM

I double checked Phoenician rule in Iberia and I guess I underestimated it. But still, did anyone do models to confirm that Germanics had no impact?

They had a great impact.

Marshall Theodore

01-16-2023, 05:06 AM

I double checked Phoenician rule in Iberia and I guess I underestimated it. But still, did anyone do models to confirm that Germanics had no impact?

Vandals had no impact for sure, only Suebis in NW Iberia (Specially Galicia) and Visigothic did leave some minor genetic impact.

Gaditanian

01-16-2023, 11:29 AM

They didn't leave a great or significant inpact in the Iberian DNA.

Well... this is a complex topic...

When the Germans entered to Hispania there were around 300,000 people, not only warriors, but also their own women, children and the elderly, in a Roman Hispania of around 4 million people.

They were small nations on the move in search of new lands to settle.

The Phoenicians, although they created several colonies, did not emigrate massive, but rather as traders.

In addition, we must take into account the phenomenon of the Reconquest, that is, from 711 until the expulsion of the Moors in the 17th century, there was a genetic replacement (today it would be called genocide), where millions of Hispanic Muslims had to leave their cities to territories not controlled by Christians, to finally have to leave to North Africa in the 17th century.

Bearing in mind that the Reconquest was initiated by descendants of the Visigoths (Don Pelayo), it is not remarkable that the descendants of those 300,000 people were replacing the old native populations, including those hispanian muslims with a strong Iberian component, replacemented for religious reasons.

This would partly explain why the Iberian Peninsula, despite its territory compared to other European countries of similar size such as France or Germany, has always had a considerably smaller population due to this exodus that occurred in the Reconquest.

Beowulf

01-16-2023, 11:39 AM

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4126% / 0.02412579
59.4 Proto-Celts
18.6 Iberia_BA
13.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

with a visigothic sample:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.3783% / 0.02378275
38.4 Proto-Celts
22.6 Iberia_BA
13.8 Visigoth
12.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.0 Imperial_Romans

my distances became a bit better i used a gothic sample from Poland Kowalewko, that was a old gothic settlement

edit: if anyone want to try the Visigothic sample here are the coords: Visigoth,0.134311,0.1320185,0.071276,0.0621775,0.0 424695,0.02259,0.0098705,0.0152305,0.002352,-0.00492,-0.005846,0.0060695,-0.008845,-0.0020645,0.0229365,0.0019885,-0.006845,0.0010135,0.0027655,0.0012505,0.0051785,0 .000309,-0.000863,0.0163275,-0.0038915

Beowulf

01-16-2023, 11:46 AM

Father:

Target: papaK13
Distance: 0.4294% / 0.00429435
46.4 Iberia_BA
14.8 Proto-Celts
11.8 Visigoth
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.4 Imperial_Romans
6.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

without visigothic:
Target: papaK13
Distance: 0.4684% / 0.00468438
43.8 Iberia_BA
34.2 Proto-Celts
7.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.8 Imperial_Romans
5.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
3.2 Berbers_&_Guanches

Grace O'Malley

01-16-2023, 11:48 AM

Gaditanian

01-16-2023, 11:50 AM

Beowulf

01-16-2023, 11:57 AM

some iberians samples with the "Visigothic component":

Basques:
Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS35
Distance: 2.2561% / 0.02256050
70.2 Iberia_BA
23.0 Visigoth
6.8 Proto-Celts

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS33
Distance: 2.0024% / 0.02002438
87.0 Iberia_BA
10.2 Proto-Celts
2.8 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS32
Distance: 2.2187% / 0.02218734
62.8 Iberia_BA
21.0 Visigoth
8.0 Proto-Celts
5.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.4 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS31
Distance: 1.8602% / 0.01860235
80.8 Iberia_BA
14.4 Visigoth
4.8 Proto-Celts

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS30
Distance: 2.9133% / 0.02913345
62.4 Iberia_BA
20.8 Proto-Celts
15.4 Visigoth
1.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS28
Distance: 2.3401% / 0.02340054
67.6 Iberia_BA
23.2 Proto-Celts
9.2 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS27
Distance: 1.7257% / 0.01725712
81.8 Iberia_BA
13.0 Proto-Celts
5.2 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS25
Distance: 2.4671% / 0.02467096
85.8 Iberia_BA
14.2 Proto-Celts

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Basque_Spanish:BAS22
Distance: 2.0939% / 0.02093915
72.2 Iberia_BA
18.4 Proto-Celts
7.4 Visigoth
2.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Portuguese people:

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal9
Distance: 2.2562% / 0.02256246
41.2 Iberia_BA
34.0 Proto-Celts
16.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal8
Distance: 2.0951% / 0.02095139
36.6 Iberia_BA
26.4 Proto-Celts
12.4 Visigoth
10.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal7
Distance: 2.4525% / 0.02452474
33.8 Iberia_BA
32.4 Visigoth
24.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.0 Proto-Celts

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal6
Distance: 1.6281% / 0.01628146
37.0 Visigoth
33.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
20.0 Iberia_BA
10.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal5
Distance: 2.2937% / 0.02293702
49.0 Proto-Celts
25.8 Iberia_BA
15.2 Imperial_Romans
7.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal4
Distance: 1.8694% / 0.01869393
34.8 Proto-Celts
21.6 Imperial_Romans
15.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
15.4 Iberia_BA
9.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal3
Distance: 1.9397% / 0.01939703
56.0 Proto-Celts
15.2 Iberia_BA
15.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Visigoth
4.4 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal2
Distance: 1.3444% / 0.01344378
41.0 Proto-Celts
23.8 Iberia_BA
17.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.6 Visigoth
2.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal15
Distance: 2.3672% / 0.02367181
35.4 Iberia_BA
24.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
22.4 Proto-Celts
8.6 Visigoth
7.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal14
Distance: 2.2386% / 0.02238581
39.6 Iberia_BA
21.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
21.4 Proto-Celts
8.4 Visigoth
6.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.0 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal13
Distance: 1.8919% / 0.01891853
33.8 Iberia_BA
32.6 Proto-Celts
13.2 Imperial_Romans
8.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.6 Visigoth
5.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal12
Distance: 1.5072% / 0.01507202
35.2 Proto-Celts
20.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
20.4 Iberia_BA
11.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
11.0 Imperial_Romans
1.8 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal11
Distance: 1.5686% / 0.01568593
41.0 Proto-Celts
19.4 Imperial_Romans
17.8 Iberia_BA
9.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.0 Visigoth
4.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal10
Distance: 1.4435% / 0.01443472
31.4 Iberia_BA
21.0 Proto-Celts
13.8 Visigoth
13.0 Imperial_Romans
12.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:Portugal1
Distance: 2.1527% / 0.02152748
30.0 Iberia_BA
29.8 Proto-Celts
27.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
6.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
5.6 Visigoth
0.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
Distance: 1.4117% / 0.01411710
34.2 Iberia_BA
32.4 Proto-Celts
14.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.0 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
Distance: 1.0645% / 0.01064463
39.0 Proto-Celts
16.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
14.6 Iberia_BA
10.2 Visigoth
8.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.8 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
Distance: 1.8953% / 0.01895287
46.6 Proto-Celts
34.4 Iberia_BA
11.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
Distance: 1.4937% / 0.01493735
26.8 Visigoth
26.0 Iberia_BA
15.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
10.8 Proto-Celts
8.8 Imperial_Romans
8.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
Distance: 1.5953% / 0.01595350
47.8 Proto-Celts
17.6 Iberia_BA
14.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
13.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.4 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
Distance: 1.5011% / 0.01501058
37.2 Proto-Celts
36.0 Iberia_BA
12.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.4 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
Distance: 1.0386% / 0.01038626
35.2 Iberia_BA
27.6 Proto-Celts
13.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
12.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.4 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
Distance: 0.9054% / 0.00905426
48.2 Proto-Celts
20.6 Iberia_BA
12.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
10.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.2 Imperial_Romans
1.0 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
Distance: 1.3045% / 0.01304517
44.0 Iberia_BA
29.0 Proto-Celts
12.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.2 Visigoth
2.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
Distance: 1.5140% / 0.01513967
48.0 Proto-Celts
28.2 Iberia_BA
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.8 Imperial_Romans

Castilians/Catalans/Galicians:

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
Distance: 0.6423% / 0.00642253
35.0 Proto-Celts
33.0 Iberia_BA
14.8 Imperial_Romans
10.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
Distance: 1.3392% / 0.01339176
64.4 Proto-Celts
19.6 Iberia_BA
10.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
5.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
0.2 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
Distance: 1.1745% / 0.01174510
50.6 Proto-Celts
17.2 Iberia_BA
13.0 Imperial_Romans
9.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
5.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
Distance: 1.7188% / 0.01718824
36.2 Iberia_BA
21.4 Proto-Celts
17.2 Visigoth
13.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
11.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.2 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL74
Distance: 1.6145% / 0.01614525
30.4 Proto-Celts
28.6 Iberia_BA
17.2 Visigoth
12.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
8.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.8 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL71
Distance: 1.9888% / 0.01988810
44.8 Iberia_BA
22.6 Visigoth
21.4 Imperial_Romans
7.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
Distance: 1.8580% / 0.01858003
27.6 Iberia_BA
25.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
21.0 Visigoth
14.8 Proto-Celts
11.0 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL44
Distance: 2.7469% / 0.02746908
51.8 Iberia_BA
24.4 Proto-Celts
12.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
6.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
5.2 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL35
Distance: 2.0360% / 0.02035978
54.4 Proto-Celts
25.8 Iberia_BA
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.6 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL3
Distance: 1.4788% / 0.01478774
52.6 Proto-Celts
20.8 Iberia_BA
11.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
11.6 Imperial_Romans
3.2 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL26
Distance: 1.9509% / 0.01950870
41.2 Proto-Celts
36.4 Iberia_BA
11.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.0 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL25
Distance: 1.1333% / 0.01133290
42.2 Iberia_BA
35.0 Proto-Celts
11.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.2 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL24
Distance: 2.3135% / 0.02313514
44.2 Proto-Celts
35.4 Iberia_BA
7.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
7.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
6.2 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL21
Distance: 2.2846% / 0.02284617
49.0 Proto-Celts
29.6 Iberia_BA
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.2 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL20
Distance: 2.6951% / 0.02695146
30.4 Iberia_BA
24.4 Proto-Celts
21.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
15.4 Visigoth
6.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL16
Distance: 2.2710% / 0.02270994
46.0 Proto-Celts
21.2 Iberia_BA
19.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
10.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.6 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL15
Distance: 1.5527% / 0.01552662
67.8 Proto-Celts
19.4 Iberia_BA
9.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.2 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
Distance: 1.2403% / 0.01240259
53.2 Proto-Celts
27.6 Iberia_BA
12.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
7.0 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
Distance: 1.0374% / 0.01037389
36.6 Iberia_BA
30.2 Proto-Celts
10.6 Visigoth
9.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
6.8 Imperial_Romans
6.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
Distance: 1.1635% / 0.01163482
32.2 Iberia_BA
32.2 Proto-Celts
17.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
13.2 Visigoth
5.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
Distance: 1.9142% / 0.01914195
27.6 Iberia_BA
26.0 Visigoth
22.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
10.2 Imperial_Romans
7.6 Proto-Celts
5.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG02 238
Distance: 1.6436% / 0.01643646
40.8 Proto-Celts
33.6 Iberia_BA
15.6 Imperial_Romans
7.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01 746
Distance: 1.7612% / 0.01761214
46.4 Iberia_BA
25.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
13.2 Proto-Celts
13.2 Visigoth
1.8 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01 504
Distance: 1.3233% / 0.01323273
50.4 Iberia_BA
20.8 Visigoth
11.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
6.4 Imperial_Romans
5.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
5.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.4 Proto-Celts

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01 503
Distance: 1.3027% / 0.01302720
40.4 Iberia_BA
39.6 Proto-Celts
12.4 Imperial_Romans
3.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
3.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.2 Visigoth

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:VID014
Distance: 1.7447% / 0.01744653
43.2 Proto-Celts
32.4 Iberia_BA
24.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:SER015
Distance: 1.6937% / 0.01693742
36.4 Iberia_BA
22.2 Visigoth
20.8 Proto-Celts
11.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
Distance: 1.3501% / 0.01350145
34.8 Iberia_BA
22.6 Visigoth
21.0 Proto-Celts
13.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.4 Imperial_Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:GUS040
Distance: 1.6243% / 0.01624333
41.8 Proto-Celts
41.8 Iberia_BA
8.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
8.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
Distance: 2.1637% / 0.02163663
44.2 Iberia_BA
27.2 Visigoth
15.0 Proto-Celts
5.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.8 Imperial_Romans

gixajo

01-16-2023, 12:59 PM

First sources (without Gauls)

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5202% / 0.01520157
48.2 Proto-Celts
36.6 Iberia_BA
6.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 Imperial_Romans

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.4488% / 0.01448816
33.2 Proto-Celts
26.0 Iberia_BA
17.6 Imperial_Romans
13.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.8 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.4186% / 0.01418625
48.8 Iberia_BA
45.6 Proto-Celts
4.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.6 Imperial_Romans

Removing Proto-Celts and adding Visigoths:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4296% / 0.01429642
52.2 Iberia_BA
28.2 Visigoth
14.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
0.4 Imperial_Romans

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.4849% / 0.01484880
33.8 Iberia_BA
25.4 Imperial_Romans
16.8 Visigoth
14.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.3875% / 0.01387459
59.0 Iberia_BA
30.0 Visigoth
5.2 Imperial_Romans
3.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

First sources+Proto-Celts+Visigoths:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4247% / 0.01424651
49.2 Iberia_BA
23.4 Visigoth
13.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.6 Proto-Celts
4.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.2 Imperial_Romans

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.4427% / 0.01442657
27.2 Iberia_BA
24.2 Proto-Celts
19.8 Imperial_Romans
13.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.2 Visigoth

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.3053% / 0.01305287
53.6 Iberia_BA
19.2 Visigoth
18.0 Proto-Celts
4.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.2 Imperial_Romans

And adding to all this Gauls:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.2434% / 0.01243418
46.2 Iberia_BA
19.4 Gauls
13.6 Visigoth
11.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
4.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.1686% / 0.01168640
33.6 Iberia_BA
30.6 Gauls
18.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
5.8 Imperial_Romans
1.8 Proto-Celts

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.0561% / 0.01056124
52.6 Iberia_BA
21.0 Gauls
11.6 Visigoth
4.2 Imperial_Romans
4.0 Proto-Celts
3.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Gallop

01-16-2023, 01:12 PM

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.5811% / 0.01581118
40.2 Proto-Celts
36.6 Iberia_BA
11.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.0 Visigoth
3.6 Imperial_Romans

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 1.6275% / 0.01627514
53.0 Proto-Celts
27.0 Iberia_BA
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.2 Visigoth

El guanche- e.t.c. me lo tomaré como que se solapa con el íbero o algún tipo de íbero insitu ancestral, porque ya me contarás, romano visigodo y quién más faltaba, quién más estuvo aquí...

Eliminando Proto-Celta por Gaul

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.5299% / 0.01529944
39.8 Iberia_BA
26.2 Gauls
11.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
10.6 Visigoth
6.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.6 Imperial_Romans

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 1.7722% / 0.01772229
36.2 Iberia_BA
18.8 Gauls
18.2 Visigoth
14.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Pues nos sube bastante el visigodo ya que eran visigodos que serían diversos y estaba siendo solapado por el proto-celta, estarían mezclados con celtas, francos, balcanes, nos sube también el romano. Conclusión pues que los celtas y visigodos han contribuido considerablemente en el acervo genético de los españoles modernos, lo más anecdótico quizá es que se pudo haber pensado que los visigodos que entran a la actual España eran escandinavos o germánicos más completos.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 01:20 PM

I double checked Phoenician rule in Iberia and I guess I underestimated it. But still, did anyone do models to confirm that Germanics had no impact?

Yep, modern iberians clusters with Roman Times ones:
https://i.imgur.com/GG0wb84.png

Which means that iberians didnt change since Roman Times, that samples are from before the first Visigoths and Suebi stetlers and still clusters which iberians, that means Germanic impact its very low in modern ones, just 330.00 Germanics (suebi & Goths) settled in iberia in a time which iberia had abt 8.000.000 of ppl and these germanics were alr mixed with others tribes so impact was even lesser

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-16-2023, 01:26 PM

Standard

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.4625% / 0.01462492
45.0 Proto-Celts
28.8 Iberia_BA
13.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Proto-Celt samples replaced with Gaul samples

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.3436% / 0.01343569
39.0 Gauls
23.0 Iberia_BA
16.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
13.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
9.0 Berbers_&_Guanches

Proto-Celt and Gaul samples added simultaneously

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.3144% / 0.01314353
28.8 Gauls
19.6 Proto-Celts
18.4 Iberia_BA
13.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
11.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 01:30 PM

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.3944% / 0.01394421
46.4 SSA
18.0 Iberia_BA
15.8 Proto-Celts
13.0 Imperial_Romans
4.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.8 Native_American

+ gauls

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.2315% / 0.01231530
45.6 SSA
21.2 Gauls
13.2 Iberia_BA
8.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.0 Native_American
2.6 Imperial_Romans
2.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Beowulf

01-16-2023, 01:30 PM

Gallop

01-16-2023, 01:31 PM

Yep, modern iberians clusters with Roman Times ones:
https://i.imgur.com/GG0wb84.png

Which means that iberians didnt change since Roman Times, that samples are from before the first Visigoths and Suebi stetlers and still clusters which iberians, that means Germanic impact its very low in modern ones, just 330.00 Germanics (suebi & Goths) settled in iberia in a time which iberia had abt 8.000.000 of ppl and these germanics were alr mixed with others tribes so impact was even lesser

Those of us who are here in flesh and blood are more important than all those simulated regional references.

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 01:36 PM

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 01:42 PM

Fisrt, the Visigoths didn't have that much of an impact in the Iberian genome, the visigothic DNA is only appearing there because it overlaps with the Proto-Celtc samples (keep in mind Proto-Celts came from Central Europe, so they will have some overlap with Goths in that sense), also the Guanches are representative of all the North African DNA into Iberia, not only the Guanches, especifically, that's why it's called Berbers & Guanches, and they did have a greater impact than the Visigoths.

Yeah, the only thing which we all need for the "perfect iberian model" is a Western Celt sample, we have one of Cantabri of LIA but that sample is not from core and was in border btw cantabri (celts) and aquitani (Proto-basque?)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/0c/e0/e80ce07e382d6b6962255c5f93a183be.jpg
So we cant assume that sample "Cantabri" was full blooded Hispano-Celt sadly, also our Celtiberians samples are celtiberians which also were bordering Aquitanians:

https://i.imgur.com/TXzDA1m.png

See how far our samples are from the core of Celtiberi culture? maybe thats means that the unmixed celtiberians from Center were even more Hallsttat admixed

Cantabri (Maybe Aquitani admixed?) sample:

Iberian*(700–50*BC):Cantabrian:Iberia_LIA,0.125774 5,0.155376,0.0631675,0.005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 01:46 PM

Those of us who are here in flesh and blood are more important than all those simulated regional references.

The Regional references are for easier comparison, but since you want to die on this hill...

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10488
0.02797441 Basque_French:HGDP01358
0.02821401 French_South:SouthFrench3068
0.02861269 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03011457 Basque_French:HGDP01359
0.03090074 Basque_French:HGDP01357
0.03234463 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.03248111 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.03261021 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.03281590 French_Occitanie:T_18
0.03287703 Basque_French:HGDP01364
0.03304024 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03306904 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.03335853 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03349943 Basque_French:HGDP01365
0.03363225 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.03363340 French_South:SouthFrench3326
0.03389715 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03390011 Basque_French:HGDP01363
0.03400197 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.03419413 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03424082 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03430614 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.03455522 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.03461753 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03481779 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10487
0.02240689 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.02434783 French_Occitanie:T_29
0.02443575 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.02574314 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.02575646 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.02604111 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.02648316 French_Occitanie:T_9
0.02676907 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.02682277 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.02695886 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.02730378 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.02760736 French_Auvergne:C_24
0.02815617 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.02847941 French_Provence:S_17
0.02886824 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.02935043 French_Provence:provance4109
0.02957474 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.02964859 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.02998915 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.02999254 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.03004211 French_Occitanie:T_84
0.03071299 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.03083971 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.03092701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03096887 French_South:SouthFrench3947

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 01:48 PM

Yeah, the only thing which we all need for the "perfect iberian model" is a Western Celt sample, we have one of Cantabri of LIA but that sample is not from core and was in border btw cantabri (celts) and aquitani (Proto-basque?)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/0c/e0/e80ce07e382d6b6962255c5f93a183be.jpg
So we cant assume that sample "Cantabri" was full blooded Hispano-Celt sadly, also our Celtiberians samples are celtibeians which also were bordering Aquitanians, the Celtiberians from the Core part of culture were prob more Hallsttat like

Cantabri (Maybe Aquitani admixed?) sample:
Iberian*(700–50*BC):Cantabrian:Iberia_LIA,0.125774 5,0.155376,0.0631675,0.005814,0.052933,-0.000697,-0.001175,0.0074995,0.032826,0.0429165,-0.0010555,0.008842,-0.0237115,-0.0187855,0.013572,0.0043755,-0.004759,0.0051945,-0.0022625,-0.0090665,0.0131645,0.000371,-0.0077645,-0.0163875,-0.000778

No, we don't need the Cantabri sample, since it is Celtic-Admixed, and we already have proto-Celts for that, we need the Northwester Iberian BA sample.

Gallop

01-16-2023, 01:55 PM

Pues la muestra visigoda que añadi es una muestra de un godo de polonia básicamente cuando se asentaron alli desde escandinavia asi que es practucamente un "godo" mas puro que las muestras peninsulares

Pues ya ves, creía que era uno de los de aquí. Si es que al final va saliendo todo.

Gallop

01-16-2023, 01:56 PM

The Regional references are for easier comparison, but since you want to die on this hill...

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10488
0.02797441 Basque_French:HGDP01358
0.02821401 French_South:SouthFrench3068
0.02861269 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03011457 Basque_French:HGDP01359
0.03090074 Basque_French:HGDP01357
0.03234463 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083
0.03248111 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516
0.03261021 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518
0.03281590 French_Occitanie:T_18
0.03287703 Basque_French:HGDP01364
0.03304024 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03306904 Spanish_Girona:VID016
0.03335853 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03349943 Basque_French:HGDP01365
0.03363225 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3
0.03363340 French_South:SouthFrench3326
0.03389715 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03390011 Basque_French:HGDP01363
0.03400197 Spanish_Barcelones:COD147
0.03419413 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11
0.03424082 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03430614 Spanish_Valencia:ALB126
0.03455522 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515
0.03461753 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03481779 Spanish_Barcelones:SER015

Distance to: Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10487
0.02240689 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.02434783 French_Occitanie:T_29
0.02443575 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
0.02574314 Spanish_Galicia:HG01686
0.02575646 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.02604111 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.02648316 French_Occitanie:T_9
0.02676907 Spanish_Penedes:VID003
0.02682277 Spanish_Barcelones:GUS119
0.02695886 Spanish_Pirineu:FER101
0.02730378 Spanish_Lleida:MST075
0.02760736 French_Auvergne:C_24
0.02815617 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.02847941 French_Provence:S_17
0.02886824 Spanish_Alacant:ALE005
0.02935043 French_Provence:provance4109
0.02957474 Spanish_Soria:Soria1
0.02964859 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
0.02998915 Spanish_Castello:BOS027
0.02999254 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.03004211 French_Occitanie:T_84
0.03071299 Spanish_Valencia:BOS010
0.03083971 Spanish_Girona:FER052
0.03092701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03096887 French_South:SouthFrench3947

And what are flesh and blood people good for, come on tell me....

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 01:58 PM

No, we don't need the Cantabri sample, since it is Celtic-Admixed, and we already have proto-Celts for that, we need the Northwester Iberian BA sample.

Since N iberian BA alr are a proxy for that, NW iberians from BA werent that diferent
We need NW Iberia IA, especially from Gallaeci culture, bcs we only can especulate how much Hallsttat the "pure" Celts of iberians were
Cantabris were part of the Western Celtic group, but the sample of Cantabri which we have is prob mixed with Aquitanis since its was in the border btw the both groups

In a study they got a especifically sample which were ~98% Central bell Beaker from the IA iberia, that sample possibly its a unmixed celt sample, but i cant find that anywhere so
its that sample: I3326
but i did not find any g25 coordinates abt her so bruh

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/#SD1

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 02:16 PM

And what are flesh and blood people good for, come on tell me....

The one that I showed you, that you're quoting he is, "flesh and blood" people

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 02:18 PM

Since N iberian BA alr are a proxy for that, NW iberians from BA werent that diferent
We need NW Iberia IA, especially from Gallaeci culture, bcs we only can especulate how much Hallsttat the "pure" Celts of iberians were
Cantabris were part of the Western Celtic group, but the sample of Cantabri which we have is prob mixed with Aquitanis since its was in the border btw the both groups

In a study they got a especifically sample which were ~98% Central bell Beaker from the IA iberia, that sample possibly its a unmixed celt sample, but i cant find that anywhere so
its that sample: I3326
but i did not find any g25 coordinates abt her so bruh

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/#SD1

We do need Northwestern IA for research, not for this calculator, since they're already Celts, only if you want to replace the Gauls (or the Proto-Celts) for them, that's another thing, but if you whant to put them together with Iberian bA or create a new category for them, it's not going to help this calculator, since this is not the goal.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 02:30 PM

We do need Northwestern IA for research, not for this calculator, since they're already Celts, only if you want to replace the Gauls (or the Proto-Celts) for them, that's another thing, but if you whant to put them together with Iberian bA or create a new category for them, it's not going to help this calculator, since this is not the goal.

I mean that would help the calculator is replace Iberia BA and Proto-celts by a NW Iberian IA sample, bcs in that way they would not overlap with visigoths, unlike when we put Celtic apart
we dont need NW Iberia BA, bcs they were just Iberians of Atlantic bronze Age, and we alr have that type of sample . . what we dont need its Gallaecian or Lusitans samples which would help us with replace Proto-celt and Iberian BA by Lusitan/Gallaeci, bcs in that way we would be able to use visigoths too ut without the overlap with proto-celts and Goths, u get it?
Also the closer which we have to that Western iberian celt are samples from the Roman Time Portugal (center) which were a bit Roman and NA admixed so . . . unlike Iberia NW BA which we have samples even from Cantabria, we dont need more

Mingle

01-16-2023, 02:42 PM

Yep, modern iberians clusters with Roman Times ones:
https://i.imgur.com/GG0wb84.png

Which means that iberians didnt change since Roman Times, that samples are from before the first Visigoths and Suebi stetlers and still clusters which iberians, that means Germanic impact its very low in modern ones, just 330.00 Germanics (suebi & Goths) settled in iberia in a time which iberia had abt 8.000.000 of ppl and these germanics were alr mixed with others tribes so impact was even lesser

You shouldn't use Iberian Germanic samples. That's like using Celtiberians instead of Hallstatt. Something Germanic from Central Europe should be used instead.

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 02:49 PM

I mean that would help the calculator is replace Iberia BA and Proto-celts by a NW Iberian IA sample, bcs in that way they would not overlap with visigoths, unlike when we put Celtic apart
we dont need NW Iberia BA, bcs they were just Iberians of Atlantic bronze Age, and we alr have that type of sample . . what we dont need its Gallaecian or Lusitans samples which would help us with replace Proto-celt and Iberian BA by Lusitan/Gallaeci, bcs in that way we would be able to use visigoths too ut without the overlap with proto-celts and Goths, u get it?
Also the closer which we have to that Western iberian celt are samples from the Roman Time Portugal (center) which were a bit Roman and NA admixed so . . . unlike Iberia NW BA which we have samples even from Cantabria, we dont need more

I don't think you understood the purpose of this calculator. Why should I replace the Iberian BA and Proto-Celtic samples, with mixed forms, if I want to see exactly how much of each of them Iberians have?

How much Hispano-Celtic DNA Iberians have is for another Calculator, I hope you understood it now.

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 02:53 PM

You shouldn't use Iberian Germanic samples. That's like using Celtiberians instead of Hallstatt. Something Germanic from Central Europe should be used instead.

The image you showed doesn't have anything to do with Germanic Samples at all.
The actual Germanic Impact was close to 0% and very hard to distinguish it from Proto-Celt Influence (Central Europeans)

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 02:57 PM

You shouldn't use Iberian Germanic samples. That's like using Celtiberians instead of Hallstatt. Something Germanic from Central Europe should be used instead.

what? but im not using iberian germanics, im using 2 Iberians samples which lived before the settlers of Goths, showing that they alr are like modern iberians, showing that germaniics had a few impact

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 02:59 PM

I don't think you understood the purpose of this calculator. Why should I replace the Iberian BA and Proto-Celtic samples, with mixed forms, if I want to see exactly how much of each of them Iberians have?

How much Hispano-Celtic DNA Iberians have is for another Calculator, I hope you understood it now.

Oh i understand what u mean bruh
im just saying that if we put Gallaeci samples instead Iberia Ba & Proto Celts we would use also goth samples bcs would have no overlap, im not saying abt do this in this model, im just saying a idea for a possible next model, u understand?

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 03:06 PM

Oh i understand what u mean bruh
im just saying that if we put Gallaeci samples instead Iberia Ba & Proto Celts we would use also goth samples bcs would have no overlap, im not saying abt do this in this model, im just saying a idea for a possible next model, u understand?

ohhh... so that's what you mean! Absolutelly! I do agree with you, but I still think they (Iberian IA) whould overlap with Goths. As it happened in my other model (although I only used Lusitani samples and all other IA samples, not Gallaeci), I don't think Galicians/Portuguese and other Iberians are ~30% Germanic, lol!

vader

01-16-2023, 03:18 PM

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 1.7627% / 0.01762734
46.8 Proto-Celts
28.2 Iberia_BA
15.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.4411% / 0.01441149
51.4 Proto-Celts
27.4 Iberia_BA
13.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7478% / 0.01747820
50.2 Proto-Celts
18.8 Iberia_BA
18.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.8 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: LusoGF_Simulated
Distance: 5.0221% / 0.05022093
47.6 Proto-Celts
26.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
25.8 Imperial_Romans

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 03:36 PM

vader

01-16-2023, 03:43 PM

Damn, a good amount of Na and Proto-Celt, i think the averages of Portuguese its respectively 11% and 40%

G25 inflates north African with the reference you're using... And on g25 in general due to ancestral nafri being so old it has issues. Hence why qpadm is a better solution. On ruderico's models I get 11% nafri exactly... Not sure what references he uses but head over to anthrogenica to ask him if you want. I believe you were wondering in pm.

alnortedelsur

01-16-2023, 04:44 PM

With the calculator using Proto-Celts, and just like it is, without adding anything else:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 4.8789% / 0.04878884
54.0 Proto-Celts
25.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
20.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 4.9055% / 0.04905540 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 Proto-Celts
25.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
18.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 5.1104% / 0.05110389 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.2 Proto-Celts
23.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
21.8 Berbers_&_Guanches

Distanceto: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07455881 Phoenicians_of_Iberia:Iberia_Ibiza_Punic:MS10614
0.08341856 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.08936200 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13795
0.08942279 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial:ETR001
0.09067353 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15041
0.09284908 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15955
0.09361704 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13798
0.09368782 Iberia_BA:Iberia_Mallorca_EBA:I4329
0.09474180 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20517
0.09505630 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16327
0.09636498 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
0.09696781 Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL007
0.09716418 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20525
0.09762838 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15960
0.09826571 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I16182
0.09861258 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851
0.09907399 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016
0.09921728 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I15071
0.09969885 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15958
0.09988243 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939
0.10008898 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16088
0.10030068 Iberia_BA:Iberia_Formentera_MBA:I4420_all
0.10086820 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13793
0.10282988 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13799
0.10296218 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983
0.10346921 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD004
0.10423934 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2471
0.10467655 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
0.10495195 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I6470
0.10520283 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2470
0.10581745 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I13781
0.10598453 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b
0.10599122 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20526
0.10680883 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4562
0.10695995 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
0.10785629 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I3493
0.10842458 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I12209
0.10873186 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1836
0.10898188 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA112
0.10967971 Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I17311

Same calculator with Amerindian and SSA coordinates:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.9320% / 0.01931982
36.2 Proto-Celts
21.6 Iberia_BA
18.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
8.2 Amerindian_North
3.0 SSA

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.1146% / 0.02114598 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.6 Proto-Celts
17.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
15.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.6 Amerindian_North
2.2 SSA

Distances keep being the same, since my Amerindian and SSA don't show whitin the closest 40 references.

Replacing Proto-Celts with Gauls WITHOUT Amerindian and SSA references:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 4.6654% / 0.04665437
54.2 Gauls
24.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
19.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.8 Iberia_BA
0.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 4.6783% / 0.04678300 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.6 Gauls
22.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
19.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Distanceto: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07455881 Phoenicians_of_Iberia:Iberia_Ibiza_Punic:MS10614
0.08341856 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.08584094 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:Jeb8
0.08942279 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial:ETR001
0.09094340 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:ERS1164
0.09368782 Iberia_BA:Iberia_Mallorca_EBA:I4329
0.09409968 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul:FRA_IA:ATT26
0.09636498 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
0.09696781 Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL007
0.09822936 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2:BFM2 65
0.09861258 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851
0.09907399 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016
0.09988243 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939
0.10030068 Iberia_BA:Iberia_Formentera_MBA:I4420_all
0.10346921 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD004
0.10423934 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2471
0.10467655 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
0.10495195 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I6470
0.10520283 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2470
0.10598453 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b
0.10680883 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4562
0.10685163 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:COL153A
0.10779135 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:ERS86
0.10785629 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I3493
0.10842458 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I12209
0.10873186 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1836
0.11053741 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1310
0.11092331 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1313_d
0.11192172 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4561
0.11230572 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4563
0.11238003 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I12208
0.11257104 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:NOR3-6
0.11351031 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:COL11
0.11355596 Gauls:Celtic:Celt_HLT:HUN_LaTene_IA:I20774
0.11367895 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4560
0.11394822 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10941
0.11416390 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I3490
0.11465194 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Central_BA:I6618
0.11502381 Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39
0.11509917 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:VAD005

Same Calculator (including Gauls) WITH Amerindian and SSA references:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.6307% / 0.01630664
36.0 Gauls
20.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
16.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.2 Iberia_BA
8.0 Amerindian_North
6.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 SSA

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.6845% / 0.01684469 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.8 Gauls
34.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
10.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.8 Amerindian_North
3.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 SSA

Distances are the same, since Amerindian and SSA don't appear among the 40 closest references.

RyoHazuki

01-16-2023, 04:48 PM

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.8336% / 0.00833564
47.0 Proto-Celts
41.6 Visigoth
9.8 Iberia_BA
1.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 2.9416% / 0.02941567
53.6 Visigoth
35.6 Proto-Celts
4.0 Iberia_BA
3.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.0 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.7459% / 0.00745899
49.8 Visigoth
28.8 Gauls
16.2 Iberia_BA
3.6 Imperial_Romans
1.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 2.5255% / 0.02525529
57.8 Gauls
35.6 Visigoth
5.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

RyoHazuki

01-16-2023, 04:51 PM

People with any mixed NW/European or Eastern Euro heritage should adjust accordingly, mixed NW + Iberian comes closest to those Halstatt samples.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-16-2023, 04:52 PM

Target: LusoGF_Simulated
Distance: 5.0221% / 0.05022093
47.6 Proto-Celts
26.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
25.8 Imperial_Romans

Your girlfriend is not of Iberian descent or only partially based on these results. Am I right? :)

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 05:02 PM

G25 inflates north African with the reference you're using... And on g25 in general due to ancestral nafri being so old it has issues. Hence why qpadm is a better solution. On ruderico's models I get 11% nafri exactly... Not sure what references he uses but head over to anthrogenica to ask him if you want. I believe you were wondering in pm.

I've updated the samples, so it should be much better now, I think, at least it was with the tests I did.

Defcon2

01-16-2023, 06:12 PM

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 2.5717% / 0.02571702
38.6 Proto-Celts
28.2 Iberia_BA
22.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
10.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 06:28 PM

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 2.5717% / 0.02571702
38.6 Proto-Celts
28.2 Iberia_BA
22.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
10.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Are you a from western Spain? Berbers_&_Guanches seems too high, for a Catalan.

Defcon2

01-16-2023, 06:59 PM

Are you a from western Spain? Berbers_&_Guanches seems too high, for a Catalan.

Yes, my parents are from Extremadura xD

Gallop

01-16-2023, 07:07 PM

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 2.5717% / 0.02571702
38.6 Proto-Celts
28.2 Iberia_BA
22.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
10.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

22,8 Greeks-Colonies/Romans? que callado te lo tenías.

Damião de Góis

01-16-2023, 07:09 PM

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.6517% / 0.01651689
53.4 Proto-Celts
23.6 Iberia_BA
11.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.2 Berbers_&_Guanches

Replacing Gauls:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.4243% / 0.01424347
45.8 Gauls
26.4 Iberia_BA
13.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
10.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Adding Visigoths:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.3910% / 0.01391002
33.0 Gauls
25.2 Iberia_BA
12.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.8 Visigoth
9.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

With everyone:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.3908% / 0.01390774
33.0 Gauls
25.4 Iberia_BA
13.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.4 Visigoth
9.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.4 Proto-Celts

So the fit gets better as i add populations. Of course "Gauls" doesn't make sense to me as a southern portuguese, so i suspect something similar might be missing, maybe west iberia IA celtic speaking samples.

Mingle

01-16-2023, 07:20 PM

what? but im not using iberian germanics, im using 2 Iberians samples which lived before the settlers of Goths, showing that they alr are like modern iberians, showing that germaniics had a few impact

When other users add Visigoth though, they get some percentage from it. I don't think Goths had a significant impact, but maybe 5-10%, so worth including imo. And in the example you showed, the second sample is slightly more Germanic shifted.

Jana

01-16-2023, 07:23 PM

There is Germanic autosomal admixture in Iberians (higher in west Iberia than east) and any model without Germanic proxy is thus inadequate.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 07:28 PM

When other users add Visigoth though, they get some percentage from it. I don't think Goths had a significant impact, but maybe 5-10%, so worth including imo. And in the example you showed, the second sample is slightly more Germanic shifted.

There is Germanic autosomal admixture in Iberians (higher in west Iberia than east) and any model without Germanic proxy is thus inadequate.

The problem is Germanic overlap with Proto-Celt. . .
The germanic ancestry in begin read as Hallsttat so isnt rly a problem, 5% dont will change that much

Jana

01-16-2023, 07:33 PM

The problem is Germanic overlap with Proto-Celt. . .
The germanic ancestry in begin read as Hallsttat so isnt rly a problem, 5% dont will change that much

They don't overlap actually.

Proto Celts were closer to SW Europeans than to Germanics genetically. You can use Austria IA average.
but maybe for Iberians France IA is better...(not north shifted ones tho)

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 07:34 PM

They don't overlap actually.

Proto Celts were closer to SW Europeans than to Germanics genetically. You can use Austria IA average.

I alr tried mamy times, at individuals level some iberians were scoring 50% Hallsttat amd other 40% Suebi

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 07:37 PM

They don't overlap actually.

Proto Celts were closer to SW Europeans than to Germanics genetically. You can use Austria IA average.
but maybe for Iberians France IA is better...(not north shifted ones tho)

Also Hallsttat, La Tene and Urnfield were also closer to germanics than to sw euros . . .
https://imgur.com/3Vn7vtZ

Trust me , i alr tried a lot of times use both Hallsttat and Germanics in the same calculator, and never works or makes sense

Wâldpykjong

01-16-2023, 07:38 PM

I alr tried mamy times, at individuals level some iberians were scoring 50% Hallsttat amd other 40% Suebi

You need to get rid of the Suebi outliers. Aka the one's plotting as Hallstatt like individuals since they are mixed. Don't look at individual results, only the averages as they are the only thing that matters... More accurate as well.

Belgians and Swiss Germans are far for being representative for Suebi admixture in Spaniards. They aren't ''pure'' Migration Period Germanics.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 07:41 PM

You need to get rid of the Suebi outliers. Aka the one's plotting as Hallstatt like individuals since they are mixed. Don't look at individual results, only the averages as they are the only thing that matters... More accurate as well.

I mean testing in Individuals iberians, i always use averages on source but individuals in target

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 07:43 PM

Dušan

01-16-2023, 07:45 PM

Obviously not very good for Balkan Slavs...

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 3.4256% / 0.03425621
77.8 Proto-Celts
21.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.0 Imperial_Romans

Get close distance only if add Ukrainian immigrants. xD

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.2472% / 0.01247218
63.2 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
19.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
15.0 Imperial_Romans
2.0 Ukrainian_Sumy

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 07:47 PM

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 08:03 PM

There is Germanic autosomal admixture in Iberians (higher in west Iberia than east) and any model without Germanic proxy is thus inadequate.

When other users add Visigoth though, they get some percentage from it. I don't think Goths had a significant impact, but maybe 5-10%, so worth including imo. And in the example you showed, the second sample is slightly more Germanic shifted.

I don't think so, the Germanic admixed individuals are going to get more hallsttat, but since y'all want germanics sooo much, here it is! (BTW all the samples I used are pure Germanic)

https://i.imgur.com/iqOym08.png

They don't overlap actually.

Proto Celts were closer to SW Europeans than to Germanics genetically. You can use Austria IA average.
but maybe for Iberians France IA is better...(not north shifted ones tho)

You need to get rid of the Suebi outliers. Aka the one's plotting as Hallstatt like individuals since they are mixed. Don't look at individual results, only the averages as they are the only thing that matters... More accurate as well.

Belgians and Swiss Germans are far for being representative for Suebi admixture in Spaniards. They aren't ''pure'' Migration Period Germanics.

Distance to: Germanic_Ruler:Gothic
0.01448435 Swedish
0.01508453 Icelandic
0.01692196 Danish
0.01902164 Norwegian
0.02439158 Dutch

Distance to: Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c
0.02731179 Danish
0.02808826 Dutch
0.02963313 Icelandic
0.03069101 Norwegian
0.03088554 Orcadian

Distance to: Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:ALH_1
0.02721476 Danish
0.02731572 Dutch
0.02753050 Swedish
0.03086766 Orcadian
0.03093697 Icelandic

Distance to: Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.04386454 Danish
0.04456042 Swedish
0.04542898 Norwegian
0.04586898 Icelandic
0.04755678 Dutch

Distance to: Germanic_Ruler:Migration_LIB:Suebi:LIB2
0.03102445 Danish
0.03209491 Swedish
0.03235578 Icelandic
0.03666552 Norwegian
0.03739100 Dutch

Jana

01-16-2023, 08:48 PM

Also Hallsttat, La Tene and Urnfield were also closer to germanics than to sw euros . . .
https://imgur.com/3Vn7vtZ

Trust me , i alr tried a lot of times use both Hallsttat and Germanics in the same calculator, and never works or makes sense

You are using wrong samples. Bohemia is Celtic expansion area, not the core. Same for Hungary. Some Hungarian La Tene samples are even Slavic like.

You need to use samples from Iron Age Austria.

And they are closer to Iberians than to Germanics.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 08:53 PM

You are using wrong samples. Bohemia is Celtic expansion area, not the core. Same for Hungary. Some Hungarian La Tene samples are even Slavic like.

You need to use samples from Iron Age Austria.

And they are closer to Iberians than to Germanics.

Oh ok, can u share any sample from Austria IA? The closest to core which i have is from IA CZE

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 08:59 PM

You are using wrong samples. Bohemia is Celtic expansion area, not the core. Same for Hungary. Some Hungarian La Tene samples are even Slavic like.

You need to use samples from Iron Age Austria.

And they are closer to Iberians than to Germanics.

Well, i did not find any AUT IA from Hallsttat, but i did from la Tene
https://i.imgur.com/4FDbzzW.png

and looks like u were correct lo, they were very SW like, sry for doubt my bad

Jana

01-16-2023, 09:02 PM

Well, i did not find any AUT IA from Hallsttat, but i did from la Tene
https://i.imgur.com/4FDbzzW.png

and looks like u were correct lo, they were very SW like, sry for doubt my bad

no prob :)

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 09:04 PM

Well, i did not find any AUT IA from Hallsttat, but i did from la Tene
https://i.imgur.com/4FDbzzW.png

and looks like u were correct lo, they were very SW like, sry for doubt my bad

Looks like Iberians are even more Celtic than expected...
I'm predicting more than 60% now... :dizzy:

Marshall Theodore

01-16-2023, 09:06 PM

There is Germanic autosomal admixture in Iberians (higher in west Iberia than east) and any model without Germanic proxy is thus inadequate.

NW Iberia to be exact

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 09:07 PM

@Jgab602

Trying with La Tene samples from Core: (Austria IA)

https://i.imgur.com/awQXkYd.png

Damn, thats a LOT of Celtic

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 09:08 PM

Looks like Iberians are even more Celtic than expected...
I'm predicting more than 60% now... :dizzy:

Yea, but we need keep in mind that the Celts which came in Iberia were mostly Urnfiled and Hallsttat, La Tene was the lastest waves

Jana

01-16-2023, 09:12 PM

NW Iberia to be exact

Portugal also has higher Germanic than most of Spain from what I have seen.

DraviXi99

01-16-2023, 09:13 PM

Portugal also has higher Germanic than most of Spain from what I have seen.

Yes,more suebi

Jana

01-16-2023, 09:13 PM

Yea, but we need keep in mind that the Celts which came in Iberia were mostly Urnfiled and Hallsttat, La Tene was the lastest waves

Urnfield were not Celts. Hallstatt from Alps will be same like Austria IA. Those in Bohemia for eg and northern France are mixed.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 09:16 PM

Urnfield were not Celts. Hallstatt from Alps will be same like Austria IA. Those in Bohemia for eg and northern France are mixed.

yeah ik, Urnfiled were more like Pre-Proto-celt, but i mean the first waves to iberia were from Urnfield
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Iberia_Late_Bronze.gif/363px-Iberia_Late_Bronze.gif
hallsttat elements just start to appear in West/Nw and center in the IA

Marshall Theodore

01-16-2023, 09:17 PM

Portugal also has higher Germanic than most of Spain from what I have seen.

Not entire Portugal i guess, and NW Iberia also includes part of Portugal (North) which has higher germanic than many parts of Spain, indeed.

DraviXi99

01-16-2023, 09:20 PM

Not entire Portugal i guess, and NW Iberia also includes part of Portugal (North) which has higher germanic than many parts of Spain, indeed.

The only part of spain with as much suebi impact as portugal is galiza

Marshall Theodore

01-16-2023, 09:21 PM

The only part of spain with as much suebi impact as portugal is galiza

Sure.

PT Tagus

01-16-2023, 09:27 PM

Source

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.5653% / 0.01565265
45.6 Proto-Celts
20.2 Iberia_BA
17.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
15.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.0 Imperial_Romans

Proto-Celt samples replaced with Gaul samples

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.8776% / 0.01877642
37.2 Gauls
27.4 Iberia_BA
15.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
13.4 Imperial_Romans
6.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

With everyone

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.5266% / 0.01526624
40.4 Proto-Celts
17.6 Iberia_BA
17.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
15.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.6 Gauls
1.8 Imperial_Romans

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 09:27 PM

Not entire Portugal i guess, and NW Iberia also includes part of Portugal (North) which has higher germanic than many parts of Spain, indeed.

If i remenber haplo I (the germanic branchs) likes peaks in Asturias, Galiza and Minho, correct if im wrong

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 09:29 PM

yeah ik, Urnfiled were more like Pre-Proto-celt, but i mean the first waves to iberia were from Urnfield
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Iberia_Late_Bronze.gif/363px-Iberia_Late_Bronze.gif
hallsttat elements just start to appear in West/Nw and center in the IA

omg :confused:

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 09:29 PM

The only part of spain with as much suebi impact as portugal is galiza

Yeah but anyway the impact islow, only 30.000 suebis settled permanentlly (In this time Iberian was habited by ~7.000.00 of persons)

Gallop

01-16-2023, 09:33 PM

Not entire Portugal i guess, and NW Iberia also includes part of Portugal (North) which has higher germanic than many parts of Spain, indeed.

There must be some genetic study for Galicia in this regard, I suppose.

DraviXi99

01-16-2023, 09:34 PM

I don't really believe this,maybe portugal lost a bit of its germanicity,but here we conserve a ancient version of it (colonization),i guess that's the only place that impact survived.

DraviXi99

01-16-2023, 09:34 PM

There must be some genetic study for Galicia in this regard, I suppose.

I guess there is,but i would say there's more of it in portugal than in galiza.

Russki

01-16-2023, 09:37 PM

Urnfield were not Celts. Hallstatt from Alps will be same like Austria IA. Those in Bohemia for eg and northern France are mixed.

Are those really Celts?

Proto-Germans appear closer to Slavs than to them.

https://sun9-26.userapi.com/impg/sEjbrCD1J_NuEQd-a39Wrn-z8VhhWTEg3HqqRA/Le-IpeersOU.jpg?size=590x260&quality=95&sign=eb31e51a2e3ec91c340b90c5acfd6c9c&type=album

Gallop

01-16-2023, 09:39 PM

I guess there is,but i would say there's more of it in portugal than in galiza.

I guessed.

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 09:41 PM

I've Overhauld the model, because of all of the information provided here! Austrian Celts added, Germanics added. Bohemian IA Hallsttat samples taken.

Jana

01-16-2023, 09:43 PM

Are those really Celts?

Proto-Germans appear closer to Slavs than to them.

https://sun9-26.userapi.com/impg/sEjbrCD1J_NuEQd-a39Wrn-z8VhhWTEg3HqqRA/Le-IpeersOU.jpg?size=590x260&quality=95&sign=eb31e51a2e3ec91c340b90c5acfd6c9c&type=album

Yes.

Beowulf

01-16-2023, 09:44 PM

I've Overhauld the model, because of all of the information provided here! Austrian Celts added, Germanics added. Bohemian IA Hallsttat samples taken.

Thanks dude i really love your calcs tomorrow i will try i can't now

:)

Roy

01-16-2023, 09:46 PM

Do I need coordinates?

Gallop

01-16-2023, 09:47 PM

Quiénes son, qué tiene que ver con España?

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-16-2023, 09:50 PM

I've Overhauld the model, because of all of the information provided here! Austrian Celts added, Germanics added. Bohemian IA Hallsttat samples taken.

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.4473% / 0.01447322
61.2 Proto-Celts
21.2 Iberia_BA
10.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 09:53 PM

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.4473% / 0.01447322
61.2 Proto-Celts
21.2 Iberia_BA
10.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

I think you should edit this, because I updated it again, to be more specific.

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 09:55 PM

I've Overhauld the model, because of all of the information provided here! Austrian Celts added, Germanics added. Bohemian IA Hallsttat samples taken.

https://i.imgur.com/YUCr0JT.png
Possibly the first time that Celts dont overlap with Germanics???? and looks like a historically accurate results?
Honestly man, u and Feiichy need a Nobel premiation XD

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 10:00 PM

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 10:01 PM

Austria La Tene is already there

Oh yeah, my bad

vader

01-16-2023, 10:07 PM

Your girlfriend is not of Iberian descent or only partially based on these results. Am I right? :)

You're correct. She's roughly half Georgian half Irish

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 10:13 PM

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 0.4817% / 0.00481662
47.2 West_Niger-Congo
17.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
17.4 Iberia_BA
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.8 Imperial_Romans
2.4 South_Amerindian

Turns out, I'm not a IA proper Celt or a descendant of Germanics :D

Jingle Bell

01-16-2023, 10:15 PM

Mine now looks like that

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.3875% / 0.01387536
46.2 SSA
17.0 Proto-Celts
16.8 Iberia_BA
12.6 Imperial_Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 Native_American

Eurafricanid

01-16-2023, 10:18 PM

Mine now looks like that

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.3875% / 0.01387536
46.2 SSA
17.0 Proto-Celts
16.8 Iberia_BA
12.6 Imperial_Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 Native_American

Looks good! My Celtic DNA is all comming from Urnfield (Pre-Proto-Celts) :)

Damião de Góis

01-16-2023, 10:28 PM

I now get this:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.5040% / 0.01503964
27.6 Iberia_BA
25.0 Germanic_Ruler
18.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
5.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Pedro Ruben

01-16-2023, 10:30 PM

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.3592% / 0.01359154
54.4 Proto-Celts
16.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
13.6 Germanic_Ruler
9.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
6.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.3751% / 0.01375097
60.4 Proto-Celts
16.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
12.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
4.8 Germanic_Ruler
4.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.0 Iberia_BA

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 1.4680% / 0.01468029
31.4 Proto-Celts
22.4 Germanic_Ruler
18.4 Iberia_BA
15.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.2 Imperial_Romans

PT Tagus

01-16-2023, 10:32 PM

update

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.5935% / 0.01593505
34.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
16.0 Imperial_Romans
14.4 Iberia_BA
14.2 Germanic_Ruler
13.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
3.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-16-2023, 10:33 PM

I think you should edit this, because I updated it again, to be more specific.

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.4473% / 0.01447328
47.8 Proto-Celts
21.2 Iberia_BA
13.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
10.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

I get the same, just my 61.2% Proto-Celt is now divided between Proto and Pre-Proto.

vader

01-17-2023, 12:04 AM

Updated:

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 1.4923% / 0.01492349
58.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
13.6 Iberia_BA
12.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.8 Proto-Celts

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.3668% / 0.01366791
29.6 Iberia_BA
19.4 Germanic_Ruler
18.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.8 Imperial_Romans
3.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.8 Proto-Celts

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.4035% / 0.01403538
61.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
21.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.4 Iberia_BA

Target: LusoGF_Simulated
Distance: 4.2235% / 0.04223471
41.2 Germanic_Ruler
37.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
21.4 Imperial_Romans

celticdragongod

01-17-2023, 12:47 AM

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02851557 Germanic_Ruler:Gothic
0.03631814 Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:ALH_1
0.03667677 Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c
0.04035122 Germanic_Ruler:Migration_LIB:Suebi:LIB2
0.04225088 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
0.04733384 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15955
0.04762684 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13798
0.04968533 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20526
0.04973238 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20517
0.05071605 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15958
0.05210929 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13795
0.05238880 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15960
0.05248442 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13789
0.05371586 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13793
0.05501719 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13799
0.05522127 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
0.05538073 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I17311
0.05581640 Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.05597425 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I16182
0.05598373 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13787
0.05629153 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13788
0.05773196 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA112
0.06170866 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20525
0.06305487 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15041
0.06849553 Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8752% / 0.01875230
73.8 Germanic_Ruler
15.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
5.8 Proto-Celts
4.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8809% / 0.01880858
64.8 Germanic_Ruler:Gothic
12.2 Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701
8.6 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13787
7.0 Germanic_Ruler:Migration_LIB:Suebi:LIB2
6.6 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13795
0.8 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13793

Defcon2

01-17-2023, 05:07 AM

Updated

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 2.3979% / 0.02397901
41.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
22.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
22.4 Iberia_BA
9.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
4.2 Germanic_Ruler

alexmegas777

01-17-2023, 06:01 AM

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)_scaled
Distance: 2.2050% / 0.02205015
35.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
35.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
16.6 Proto-Celts
12.4 Germanic_Ruler

Grace O'Malley

01-17-2023, 09:16 AM

Jgab602's updated model.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.9285% / 0.01928530
75.4 Germanic_Ruler
24.6 Pre-Proto-Celts

I've added Scotland_IA and England_IA

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7685% / 0.01768451
45.2 Germanic_Ruler
34.4 England_IA
12.2 Scotland_IA
6.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
1.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Marshall Theodore

01-17-2023, 10:32 AM

It seems G25 sometimes inflates some components, NA reaching 18% is absurd.

Grace O'Malley

01-17-2023, 10:46 AM

It seems G25 sometimes inflates some components, NA reaching 18% is absurd.

Spanish and Portuguese definitely have it though. I don't make these models so I'm presuming the other components don't have this NA. Is this the reason?

Marshall Theodore

01-17-2023, 10:55 AM

Spanish and Portuguese definitely have it though. I don't make these models so I'm presuming the other components don't have this NA. Is this the reason?

Idk, Spanish and Portuguese have it as Northern Euros have ANE, of course.

But the question is, why sometimes G25 inflates this component?

Grace O'Malley

01-17-2023, 10:58 AM

Idk, Spanish and Portuguese have it as Northern Euros have ANE, of course.

But the question is, why sometimes G25 inflates this component?

It's a good question but Spanish and Portuguese also have ANE. My guess would be because the other components don't have it and in other models perhaps some of it is absorbed as it might be in other samples?? Would be interested in a good answer. I'm sure someone will know.

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 11:14 AM

https://i.imgur.com/YUCr0JT.png
Possibly the first time that Celts dont overlap with Germanics???? and looks like a historically accurate results?
Honestly man, u and Feiichy need a Nobel premiation XD

I think we can finally separate the germanic dna in Iberians i mean now the percentages makes a lot of sense there were some calcs that gived even 20 or 30% sometimes lol but around 5-15% as much i think makes a lot of sense and later the Celtic mix Iberian is very good

Vallatti

01-17-2023, 11:41 AM

https://i.imgur.com/YUCr0JT.png
Possibly the first time that Celts dont overlap with Germanics???? and looks like a historically accurate results?
Honestly man, u and Feiichy need a Nobel premiation XD

Your model confuses Iberia_BA with proto-Celts, la Tene and Germanic rulers. Also mix up Romans, Greeks and Phoenicians.
G25 is not a good tool to differentiate between populations with similar ancient ancestries.

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 12:09 PM

Your model confuses Iberia_BA with proto-Celts, la Tene and Germanic rulers. Also mix up Romans, Greeks and Phoenicians.
G25 is not a good tool to differentiate between populations with similar ancient ancestries.

Tell me, how is it mixing them up?

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 12:13 PM

Tell me, how is it mixing them up?

Why he got banned?

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 12:40 PM

It seems G25 sometimes inflates some components, NA reaching 18% is absurd.

18% just in outilers individuals, the average is 11%

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 12:43 PM

Why he got banned?

no idea, i never saw that guy

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 12:49 PM

18% just in outilers individuals, the average is 11%

I think people sometimes forget that outliers exist, when I use averages it doesn't go past 10%, really.

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 12:52 PM

I think people sometimes forget that outliers exist, when I use averages it doesn't go past 10%, really.

Yeah, many ppl think that actually everyone will score similar, the average of Yamnaya DNA in Iberia is ~29% but i alr saw one time a galician scoring 36%, that just makes his a outlier thats it, its not a problem at all

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 01:07 PM

Yeah, many ppl think that actually everyone will score similar, the average of Yamnaya DNA in Iberia is ~29% but i alr saw one time a galician scoring 36%, that just makes his a outlier thats it, its not a problem at all

There was a another iberian user that used to get a lot of northern european but he only had a great great grandfather Italian as much very outlier

Marshall Theodore

01-17-2023, 01:12 PM

Why he got banned?

He is another sock of catalanfag

Grace O'Malley

01-17-2023, 01:23 PM

There was a another iberian user that used to get a lot of northern european but he only had a great great grandfather Italian as much very outlier

Did he get anything in his ancestry comp to explain having "a lot of northern European"? Possibly he had ancestry he wasn't aware of. People don't usually get great discrepancies or differences otherwise they would cluster differently. It would be interesting to know.

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 01:26 PM

Did he get anything in his ancestry comp to explain having "a lot of northern European"? Possibly he had ancestry he wasn't aware of. People don't usually get great discrepancies or differences otherwise they would cluster differently. It would be interesting to know.

I don't remember well about his results of the original test he got high north euro but idk how much the user was named Spaniard 2.0 if i remember well

vader

01-17-2023, 01:38 PM

18% just in outilers individuals, the average is 11%

If you're talking ab Pedro Ruben and his family (north Portuguese) G25 clearly over exaggerates his fits. He gets overfits for northern components and at the same time gets higher nafri than normal. This topic was heavily discussed on Anthrogenica. He isn't an outlier when he's plotted with other Portuguese

Grace O'Malley

01-17-2023, 01:43 PM

If you're talking ab Pedro Ruben and his family (north Portuguese) G25 clearly over exaggerates his fits. He gets overfits for northern components and at the same time gets higher nafri than normal. This topic was heavily discussed on Anthrogenica. He isn't an outlier when he's plotted with other Portuguese

Thank you that makes sense. If you plot normally then you aren't an outlier. Also you have to take into account all the components.

Nelju

01-17-2023, 01:43 PM

<tbody>
Target: Nelju_scaled
Distance: 1.3839% / 0.01383896

39.4
Karitiana

21.6
Pre-Proto-Celts

10.6
Phoenicians_of_Iberia

8.8
Proto-Celts

7.0
Germanic_Ruler

6.0
Berbers_&_Guanches

5.4
Yoruba

1.2
Greeks_Colonies/Romans

</tbody>

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 02:08 PM

If you're talking ab Pedro Ruben and his family (north Portuguese) G25 clearly over exaggerates his fits. He gets overfits for northern components and at the same time gets higher nafri than normal. This topic was heavily discussed on Anthrogenica. He isn't an outlier when he's plotted with other Portuguese

No, i was not refering to he, but to some individuals sample which i tested in model
Can be some residual ssa which inflates the NA?
Also g25 its not perfect u know, but in qpAdm the Portuguese average go from 8% - 14% usually, so inst so far away

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 02:08 PM

If you're talking ab Pedro Ruben and his family (north Portuguese) G25 clearly over exaggerates his fits. He gets overfits for northern components and at the same time gets higher nafri than normal. This topic was heavily discussed on Anthrogenica. He isn't an outlier when he's plotted with other Portuguese

North Portuguese doesn't mean anything, regards to NA admixture, since it's a West/East thing, not North/South (unless you're talking about the Basque ethnicity, that's in the North).

vader

01-17-2023, 02:24 PM

North Portuguese doesn't mean anything, regards to NA admixture, since it's a West/East thing, not North/South (unless you're talking about the Basque ethnicity, that's in the North).

I'm not suggesting anything related to him being from the north I just used it as a way for people here to recall the user. I know it's a west/east thing as Olalde suggests.

Marshall Theodore

01-17-2023, 03:32 PM

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 03:39 PM

with the final version:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.0326% / 0.02032574
49.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
25.2 Proto-Celts
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.0 Germanic_Ruler

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 03:46 PM

with the final version:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.0326% / 0.02032574
49.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
25.2 Proto-Celts
12.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.0 Germanic_Ruler

Ur British part is giving u xtra celt
try add a English sample to see if changes

Grace O'Malley

01-17-2023, 03:53 PM

I've just added Anglo-Saxon to the model.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5522% / 0.01552208
62.4 England_Saxon
15.4 Scotland_IA
14.0 Germanic_Ruler
7.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
1.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

I really don't know what samples to use for someone of my ethnicity because there isn't the samples available so a bit frustrating.

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 04:00 PM

Ur British part is giving u xtra celt
try add a English sample to see if changes

When i come back to home i will post it here

Gallop

01-17-2023, 04:21 PM

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.3692% / 0.01369235
44.4 Spanish_Andalucia
28.6 Iberia_BA
9.6 Gauls
8.0 Germanic_Ruler
5.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.4 Visigoth
1.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 1.7192% / 0.01719200
35.6 Iberia_BA
19.8 Germanic_Ruler
18.2 Gauls
14.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
12.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

:) :D

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 04:38 PM

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 06:57 PM

RyoHazuki

01-17-2023, 07:34 PM

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.7444% / 0.00744380
49.2 Germanic_Ruler
24.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
23.2 Proto-Celts
2.2 Imperial_Romans
0.6 Iberia_BA

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 2.8306% / 0.02830622
51.8 Germanic_Ruler
30.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.6 Proto-Celts
2.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
Good fix

Gallop

01-17-2023, 07:56 PM

:confused::)

AND

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 08:24 PM

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 08:45 PM

with some british samples:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 1.8790% / 0.01879000
30.8 Proto-Celts
23.8 Britonnic
16.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
11.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Iberia_BA
2.6 Anglo-Saxon
2.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

my distance is good usually with real coords i don't get down of 2,000 of distance

Damião de Góis

01-17-2023, 08:46 PM

It seems G25 sometimes inflates some components, NA reaching 18% is absurd.

That's because it's also counting farmer, steppe and even WHG that the Guanche sample has:

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 3.0056% / 0.03005567
53.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche
Distance: 1.8774% / 0.01877371
34.8 MAR_Taforalt
27.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
16.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
7.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Levant_PPNB
4.4 Yoruba
2.2 WHG
2.0 Dinka

Either way, if i run this calculator with the portuguese samples avaliable on G25, the average for NA is 8.6% and one individual scores 15% while another scores 1.6%. So if someone scores 18% it means he scores way above average.

(the image doesn't have all the samples, but at the bottom i could see the average for Guanche was 8.6%)
https://i.imgur.com/fYthM8l.png

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 08:51 PM

That's because it's also counting farmer, steppe and even WHG that the Guanche sample has:

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 3.0056% / 0.03005567
53.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche
Distance: 1.8774% / 0.01877371
34.8 MAR_Taforalt
27.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
16.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
7.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Levant_PPNB
4.4 Yoruba
2.2 WHG
2.0 Dinka

Either way, if i run this calculator with the portuguese samples avaliable on G25, the average for NA is 8.6% and one individual scores 15% while another scores 1.6%. So if someone scores 18% it means he scores way above average.

(the image doesn't have all the samples, but at the bottom i could see the average for Guanche was 8.6%)
https://i.imgur.com/fYthM8l.png

So we should use more older Na samples which have no EEF?

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 08:52 PM

So we should use more older Na samples which have no EEF?

i think that would be good but idk if there is older NA samples...

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 08:53 PM

i think that would be good but idk if there is older NA samples...

Ik there some of Neolithic and Copper Age, i will test rn

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 08:53 PM

So we should use more older Na samples which have no EEF?

No, because All of the NA samples from the Neolithic Age and after were "EEF" admixed

Jingle Bell

01-17-2023, 08:55 PM

No, because All of the NA samples from the Neolithic Age and after were "EEF" admixed

Wait, u mean ENf = Natufian + Anatolian HG or EEF = ENF + WHG?

Damião de Góis

01-17-2023, 08:56 PM

So we should use more older Na samples which have no EEF?

I think it's fine with Guanches, i was just explaining why everyone gets higher north african with the guanches sample.

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 08:59 PM

Wait, u mean ENf = Natufian + Anatolian HG or EEF = ENF + WHG?

ENF. I just used the term EEF, because of your post, that's why I used the quotes.

Beowulf

01-17-2023, 09:41 PM

my father's results:

Target: papaK13
Distance: 0.3448% / 0.00344763
36.4 Iberia_BA
28.2 Proto-Celts
19.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
10.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.6 Germanic_Ruler

he is the most iberian(with some N Italian) member in my family so his results would make more sense

mother:

Target: mama
Distance: 0.9399% / 0.00939867
21.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
19.6 Proto-Celts
17.2 Germanic_Ruler
12.4 Imperial_Romans
12.0 Britonnic
12.0 Iberia_BA
4.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
0.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

grandma:

Target: AbuelaG25
Distance: 0.8420% / 0.00842007
32.4 Proto-Celts
24.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
21.6 Germanic_Ruler
11.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
5.8 Imperial_Romans
4.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

grandfather:

Target: AbueloG25
Distance: 1.2765% / 0.01276468
26.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
24.6 Britonnic
23.4 Iberia_BA
12.6 Imperial_Romans
12.0 Germanic_Ruler
0.8 Berbers_&_Guanches

Eurafricanid

01-17-2023, 09:51 PM

de Burgh II

01-17-2023, 11:20 PM

Target: de_Burgh_II
Distance: 0.7746% / 0.00774596
62.2 Germanic_Ruler
17.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
9.4 Visigoth
5.2 Iberia_BA
5.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.8 Imperial_Romans

Dick

01-18-2023, 06:29 AM

Target: g25_scaled
Distance: 3.6219% / 0.03621947
44.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
31.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
24.4 Germanic_Ruler

https://i.imgur.com/AZJIhEU.jpg

Target: g25_scaled
Distance: 1.0332% / 0.01033181
66.0 Slavic_invader
29.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.2 Proto-Celts
1.0 Germanic_Ruler

https://i.imgur.com/MIni7Fb.jpg

https://media.tenor.com/2TVaOzJrE2AAAAAM/lukashenko-belarus.gif

Grace O'Malley

01-18-2023, 07:04 AM

Do you have the coords of these samples? I would like to use them

Sure give it a go and see what you get.

I used the original model and just added these. When I added the Saxon it ate up all the England_IA I got.

Scotland_IA,0.125205,0.139128,0.066373,0.061047,0. 033237,0.022869,0.00329,0.009461,0.00409,0.005649,-0.006496,0.008992,-0.017542,-0.014726,0.02918,-0.005038,-0.027772,-0.002407,-0.000126,0.007629,0.010981,0.001978,0.002711,-0.001446,0.014011
England_IA,0.130093,0.1346472,0.0601618,0.052782,0 .0386678,0.0172584,0.0023915,0.0035564,0.0059432,0 .0048239,-0.0044896,0.0065149,-0.0130907,-0.0148714,0.0220985,0.0073625,-0.0037427,0.0008048,0.0014197,0.0031044,0.0042426, 0.0024802,-0.0014862,0.0074424,-0.0005635
England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747,0.0569 288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0.003988 1,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681

I'll look at Jingle Bell's suggestion and see what happens when I add some samples from the Bronze Age a bit later.

celticdragongod

01-18-2023, 09:35 AM

Sure give it a go and see what you get.

I used the original model and just added these. When I added the Saxon it ate up all the England_IA I got.

Scotland_IA,0.125205,0.139128,0.066373,0.061047,0. 033237,0.022869,0.00329,0.009461,0.00409,0.005649,-0.006496,0.008992,-0.017542,-0.014726,0.02918,-0.005038,-0.027772,-0.002407,-0.000126,0.007629,0.010981,0.001978,0.002711,-0.001446,0.014011
England_IA,0.130093,0.1346472,0.0601618,0.052782,0 .0386678,0.0172584,0.0023915,0.0035564,0.0059432,0 .0048239,-0.0044896,0.0065149,-0.0130907,-0.0148714,0.0220985,0.0073625,-0.0037427,0.0008048,0.0014197,0.0031044,0.0042426, 0.0024802,-0.0014862,0.0074424,-0.0005635
England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747,0.0569 288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0.003988 1,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681

I'll look at Jingle Bell's suggestion and see what happens when I add some samples from the Bronze Age a bit later.

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02408798 England_IA
0.02415211 England_Saxon
0.03824909 Scotland_IA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.0903% / 0.02090337
55.0 England_Saxon
22.6 England_IA
22.4 Scotland_IA

Interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with the Dutch Bell Beakers?

Beowulf

01-18-2023, 12:52 PM

Sure give it a go and see what you get.

I used the original model and just added these. When I added the Saxon it ate up all the England_IA I got.

Scotland_IA,0.125205,0.139128,0.066373,0.061047,0. 033237,0.022869,0.00329,0.009461,0.00409,0.005649,-0.006496,0.008992,-0.017542,-0.014726,0.02918,-0.005038,-0.027772,-0.002407,-0.000126,0.007629,0.010981,0.001978,0.002711,-0.001446,0.014011
England_IA,0.130093,0.1346472,0.0601618,0.052782,0 .0386678,0.0172584,0.0023915,0.0035564,0.0059432,0 .0048239,-0.0044896,0.0065149,-0.0130907,-0.0148714,0.0220985,0.0073625,-0.0037427,0.0008048,0.0014197,0.0031044,0.0042426, 0.0024802,-0.0014862,0.0074424,-0.0005635
England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747,0.0569 288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0.003988 1,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681

I'll look at Jingle Bell's suggestion and see what happens when I add some samples from the Bronze Age a bit later.

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.1906% / 0.02190561
21.2 Scotland_IA
20.6 Iberia_BA
19.2 Proto-Celts
10.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
9.4 England_Saxon
9.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.0 Imperial_Romans

Beowulf

01-18-2023, 01:14 PM

i wasn't using the updated spreadsheet :picard2:

Target: IvorixG25_Scaled
Distance: 1.9671% / 0.01967077
42.2 Proto-Celts
21.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.6 Scotland_IA
11.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
10.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-18-2023, 01:17 PM

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-18-2023, 01:29 PM

Eurafricanid

01-18-2023, 03:13 PM

Target: Jgab602FatherProxy_Scaled
Distance: 1.0889% / 0.01088896
36.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
28.6 Iberia_BA
20.4 Imperial_Romans
5.8 Proto-Celts
4.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.8 Germanic_Ruler
1.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

:D

With the new (better) proxy!

Target: Jgab602FatherProxy_Scaled
Distance: 1.0471% / 0.01047097
36.6 Iberia_BA
24.8 Imperial_Romans
22.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
12.2 Germanic_Ruler
4.2 Proto-Celts

Beowulf

01-18-2023, 05:14 PM

Damião de Góis

01-18-2023, 08:54 PM

With the British IA samples added:

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.2195% / 0.01219500
32.2 Proto-Celts
21.2 Scotland_IA
19.4 Iberia_BA
17.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
5.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Actually the lowest distance so far. I like this runs Jgab602, hopefully it is not really your final Iberian calculator. Would be interesting to see the calculator you made but with unscaled samples too.

Same here, and it doesn't make any sense even from an historic point of view. It tells me that these samples that are currently avaliable on G25 aren't enough to model most iberians, maybe they are good for northeast iberians but that's it.

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.5036% / 0.01503649
27.2 Iberia_BA
25.0 Germanic_Ruler
18.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.2822% / 0.01282165
23.4 Iberia_BA
19.6 Scotland_IA
14.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
13.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.4 Germanic_Ruler
11.0 England_IA
6.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Jingle Bell

01-18-2023, 09:03 PM

Same here, and it doesn't make any sense even from an historic point of view. It tells me that these samples that are currently avaliable on G25 aren't enough to model most iberians, maybe they are good for northeast iberians but that's it.

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.5036% / 0.01503649
27.2 Iberia_BA
25.0 Germanic_Ruler
18.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
6.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.2822% / 0.01282165
23.4 Iberia_BA
19.6 Scotland_IA
14.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
13.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
11.4 Germanic_Ruler
11.0 England_IA
6.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Yeah, maybe bcs we still lack of Western Iberian IA samples, if i remember we only have 2 from Conimbriga which were read as possible Lusitan samples

Eurafricanid

01-18-2023, 09:14 PM

With the British IA samples added:

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 1.2195% / 0.01219500
32.2 Proto-Celts
21.2 Scotland_IA
19.4 Iberia_BA
17.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
5.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Actually the lowest distance so far. I like this runs Jgab602, hopefully it is not really your final Iberian calculator. Would be interesting to see the calculator you made but with unscaled samples too.
:thumb001:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 0.4873% / 0.00487275
47.2 West_Niger-Congo
17.6 Iberia_BA
16.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
10.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.0 Imperial_Romans
2.6 South_Amerindian
0.6 Scotland_IA

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy_Scaled
Distance: 0.9538% / 0.00953835
39.0 Iberia_BA
21.8 Imperial_Romans
14.6 Scotland_IA
10.2 Proto-Celts
8.8 Germanic_Ruler
5.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.6 Pre-Proto-Celts

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-18-2023, 09:21 PM

:thumb001:

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy_Scaled
Distance: 0.9538% / 0.00953835
39.0 Iberia_BA
21.8 Imperial_Romans
14.6 Scotland_IA
10.2 Proto-Celts
8.8 Germanic_Ruler
5.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
0.6 Pre-Proto-Celts

Beforehand, if you do not want to disclosure his ancestry it is completely fine but I am really curious to know your father ancestry. I would guess Basque\South-West French based on those results.

Edit: Nevermind, I get it now, it is your Euro proxy. I don't know where did I get the idea that it was your father's results :lol:

Eurafricanid

01-19-2023, 12:20 AM

(Probably) Final version of the Proxy:

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy_Scaled
Distance: 0.9293% / 0.00929299
38.6 Iberia_BA
23.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.0 Imperial_Romans
13.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.6 Proto-Celts
3.6 Germanic_Ruler

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy_Scaled
Distance: 0.9164% / 0.00916400
41.2 Iberia_BA
17.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
14.2 Imperial_Romans
12.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.8 Proto-Celts
4.6 Scotland_IA
2.2 Germanic_Ruler

Eurafricanid

01-19-2023, 12:25 AM

Beforehand, if you do not want to disclosure his ancestry it is completely fine but I am really curious to know your father ancestry. I would guess Basque\South-West French based on those results.

Edit: Nevermind, I get it now, it is your Euro proxy. I don't know where did I get the idea that it was your father's results :lol:

No, haha, I have a thread, where I posted about this proxy I created for my European DNA, I called it Father's Proxy, because my father is white and I am exactly 50% Euro (in most calcs, or close, if not exactly in all the others), I've tried to do his DNA test, but he refused to.

Eurafricanid

01-19-2023, 04:03 PM

Eurafricanid

01-21-2023, 12:44 PM

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled
Distance: 1.0349% / 0.01034895
36.6 Iberia_BA
28.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.2 Imperial_Romans
12.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
6.8 Proto-Celts
2.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.8 Germanic_Ruler

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled
Distance: 1.0286% / 0.01028622
39.0 Iberia_BA
22.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
13.4 Imperial_Romans
6.6 Proto-Celts
3.8 Scotland_IA
1.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled
Distance: 0.8923% / 0.00892299
36.4 Iberia_BA
32.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.4 Imperial_Romans
11.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.6 Proto-Celts
0.6 Germanic_Ruler

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled
Distance: 0.8786% / 0.00878626
39.4 Iberia_BA
26.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
15.2 Imperial_Romans
11.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Scotland_IA
2.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.8 Germanic_Ruler
0.2 Proto-Celts

Eurafricanid

01-22-2023, 03:59 AM

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled
Distance: 0.8923% / 0.00892299
36.4 Iberia_BA
32.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.4 Imperial_Romans
11.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
3.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.6 Proto-Celts
0.6 Germanic_Ruler

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled
Distance: 0.8786% / 0.00878626
39.4 Iberia_BA
26.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
15.2 Imperial_Romans
11.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Scotland_IA
2.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.8 Germanic_Ruler
0.2 Proto-Celts

I hope this is the last one:

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled_Ov4
Distance: 0.8195% / 0.00819544
37.2 Iberia_BA
33.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
17.0 Imperial_Romans
6.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
5.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled_Ov4
Distance: 0.8156% / 0.00815645
38.6 Iberia_BA
29.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
18.4 Imperial_Romans
5.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
5.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.4 Scotland_IA

Comparison with the actual results:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 0.5630% / 0.00563027
49.4 Jgab602Afro-Amerindian_DNA
18.2 Iberia_BA
16.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
8.4 Imperial_Romans
5.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 0.5617% / 0.00561701
49.4 Jgab602Afro-Amerindian_DNA
18.6 Iberia_BA
15.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
8.8 Imperial_Romans
5.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.2 Scotland_IA

Eurafricanid

01-23-2023, 11:48 PM

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled_Ov5
Distance: 1.0554% / 0.01055426
37.2 Iberia_BA
32.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.8 Imperial_Romans
13.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
2.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.0 Germanic_Ruler

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled_Ov5
Distance: 1.0552% / 0.01055196
37.6 Iberia_BA
31.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
13.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
13.4 Imperial_Romans
2.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
0.8 Germanic_Ruler
0.6 Scotland_IA

Figaro

02-23-2023, 05:16 PM

For shits and giggles:

Target: CordedFather_scaled
Distance: 2.0315% / 0.02031549
64.0 Germanic_Ruler
27.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
8.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 3.0922% / 0.03092163
56.4 Germanic_Ruler
33.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
10.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

ScandinavianCelt

02-26-2023, 10:18 PM

FilhoV

02-27-2023, 12:20 AM

Target: FilhoV_scaled
Distance: 1.2688% / 0.01268785
23.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
23.0 Iberia_BA
22.8 Germanic_Ruler
13.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
9.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
8.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

FilhoV

02-27-2023, 12:23 AM

Target: Portuguese:Portugal10
Distance: 1.5144% / 0.01514386
31.8 Iberia_BA
23.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
12.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
12.4 Germanic_Ruler
11.4 Imperial_Romans
8.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Portuguese:Portugal1
Distance: 2.1739% / 0.02173932
39.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
27.0 Iberia_BA
24.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
8.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.2 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Greek_Cyclades_Milos
Distance: 0.8102% / 0.00810159
48.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
21.4 Imperial_Romans
11.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
7.2 Proto-Celts
6.8 Germanic_Ruler
5.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
Distance: 1.2626% / 0.01262571
34.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
32.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
20.6 Imperial_Romans
10.4 Germanic_Ruler
2.8 Pre-Proto-Celts

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 0.6482% / 0.00648242
37.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
22.4 Imperial_Romans
21.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
8.2 Proto-Celts
5.0 Iberia_BA
4.6 Germanic_Ruler
1.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Target: Sicilian_East
Distance: 0.8088% / 0.00808791
37.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
24.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
17.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
5.8 Germanic_Ruler
5.2 Imperial_Romans
3.4 Iberia_BA

JerryS.

02-28-2023, 03:31 PM

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.6092% / 0.01609207
72.8 Germanic_Ruler
12.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
9.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
4.8 Iberia_BA
0.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

ScandinavianCelt

03-30-2023, 04:53 AM

Since I don't have g25 official coords, here's the closest gen dist simulated coords I have from Eurogenes k15:

Target: Brad.Eurogenes.K15.sims
Distance: 0.8751% / 0.00875105

69.2 Germanic_Ruler
25.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
5.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Now with G25 coords:

Target: Brad_scaled
Distance: 1.3210% / 0.01320984

74.0 Germanic_Ruler: Gothic
12.6 Germanic_Ruler: MA_Alemanic_Byzantine
7.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans: Rome_Imperial
2.8 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial
2.0 Germanic_Ruler: Migration_Suebi
1.6 Berbers_&_Guanches: Canary_Islands

Solitude

10-17-2023, 01:54 PM

yes , i added suebi

Target: eins_scaled
Distance: 1.6780% / 0.01677967
27.2 Iberia_BA
25.2 West_African_Coast
18.2 Osi_Tribe
9.6 Amerindian_BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
7.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
7.2 Proto-Celts
5.0 Imperial_Romans

cass

10-18-2023, 04:01 PM

:rolleyes2:

Target: cass
Distance: 3.3343% / 0.03334295 | ADC: 0.25x
61.0 Germanic_Ruler
35.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
3.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: cass
Distance: 3.3343% / 0.03334295 | ADC: 0.25x
46.6 Germanic_Ruler:Gothic
27.8 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA112
14.4 Germanic_Ruler:Migration_LIB:Suebi:LIB2
7.4 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15955
3.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128

Demirkazık

10-18-2023, 04:28 PM

Target: Demirkazık_Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.7706% / 0.01770564
58.0 Anatolian_IA
17.8 Germanic_Ruler
12.6 Asian
11.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Demirkazık_Mom_scaled
Distance: 2.6056% / 0.02605600
54.0 Anatolian_IA
16.6 Asian
10.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
9.6 Germanic_Ruler
9.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.0375% / 0.02037458
53.2 Anatolian_IA
22.8 Germanic_Ruler
14.8 Asian
9.2 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Solitude

10-22-2023, 09:13 PM

Target: celtiville_scaled
Distance: 1.6578% / 0.01657762
27.8 Iberia_BA
16.4 Volta–Niger
13.8 Germanic_Ruler
9.8 Amerindian_BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
9.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
9.6 Bantu-East
5.4 Imperial_Romans
4.0 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Solitude

10-22-2023, 11:15 PM

Yea, but we need keep in mind that the Celts which came in Iberia were mostly Urnfiled and Hallsttat, La Tene was the lastest waves

jingle bell what is difference between celts hallstatt , urnfiled between la tene? and what were first celts they was most genetically related to germans?

Solitude

10-22-2023, 11:25 PM

urnfield was most related to germanics? why they score so much northwest europe?

Jingle Bell

10-23-2023, 09:48 AM

jingle bell what is difference between celts hallstatt , urnfiled between la tene? and what were first celts they was most genetically related to germans?

Hallsttat and Urnfield seens pretty identical, a more central/sw euro profile, while La Tene is usually more North Euro like, prob bcs germanic contact
Hallsttats are the first "true celts", Urnfield werent exactly celt but more proto-celt like, and La Tene is culturally like Hallsttat but w some extern influences + druidism

Solitude

10-23-2023, 04:35 PM

but why for example in this thread when i take a sample from urnfield and compare it with modern pop it seems almost totally nortwest , why? how la tene is most north euro?

example la tene sample :

Distance to:
Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708
0.02565936 Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta8
0.02835332 Italian_Northeast:ALP081
0.02837114 French_Auvergne:C_80
0.02928983 French_Occitanie:T_53
0.03048622 French_Occitanie:T_87
0.03076591 Spanish_Penedes:ALE088
0.03159689 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige:ALP071
0.03164176 French_Auvergne:C_3
0.03184555 French_Occitanie:T_123
0.03193531 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:ROI042
0.03217988 French_Provence:S_22
0.03220532 Swiss_French:Swiss_French7
0.03250209 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige:Nei27
0.03250866 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048
0.03280815 Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.03287639 Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
0.03289198 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUS202
0.03298207 French_Nord:N_28
0.03303558 French_Alsace:A_26
0.03313159 Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta9
0.03328398 Italian_Northeast:KF1803129
0.03340535 Spanish_Castello:CAR023
0.03362546 French_Auvergne:C_13
0.03366517 Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.03367180 French_Alsace:A_49

urnfield sample
Distance to:Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20526
0.02775509 Welsh:WalesBK58
0.02918187 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_1
0.03193083 German_Erlangen:GSM1658617
0.03261787 German_Erlangen:GSM1658641
0.03286180 French_Occitanie:T_119
0.03344035 BelgianC:5434289075_R04C02
0.03361483 German_Erlangen:GSM1658642
0.03385001 German:German41
0.03397452 BelgianA:5434289001_R01C01
0.03410036 BelgianA:5434289041_R03C02
0.03431861 Dutch:GSM1633998
0.03442214 French_Alsace:A_81
0.03442999 Afrikaner:AFR094
0.03455004 French_Pas-de-Calais:French25068
0.03463206 BelgianB:5434289003_R01C01
0.03473206 English_Cornwall:HG00264
0.03480293 French_Nord:N_19
0.03487375 French_Occitanie:T_33
0.03500305 French_Alsace:A_25
0.03502476 Dutch:GSM567335
0.03561617 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_16
0.03563548 BelgianC:5434289075_R01C01
0.03565772 Dutch:GSM1633976
0.03621708 Afrikaner:AFR053
0.03624585 French_Nord:N_80_2

Rafael Passoni

10-23-2023, 05:30 PM

Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 1.5853% / 0.01585288
49.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
14.8 Germanic_Ruler
13.0 Proto-Celts
12.4 Iberia_BA
6.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
3.8 Imperial_Romans

Distance to: caesarsalad_scaled
0.03503220 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.04699442 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851
0.04882775 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b
0.04913503 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016
0.04937280 Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701
0.05118013 Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial:ETR001
0.05373513 Proto-Celts:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14980
0.05772012 Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708
0.06129177 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
0.06286549 Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699
0.06364957 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
0.06619805 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
0.06875894 Phoenicians_of_Iberia:Iberia_Ibiza_Punic:MS10614
0.06968457 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15041
0.07034100 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13795
0.07183112 Iberia_BA:Iberia_Formentera_MBA:I4420_all
0.07218878 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13793
0.07240293 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13798
0.07244788 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_North_BA:I2471
0.07384024 Iberia_BA:Iberia_Mallorca_EBA:I4329
0.07397057 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13788
0.07416502 Iberia_BA:Iberia_BA:Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
0.07521785 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
0.07561165 Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69
0.07695167 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20517

Jingle Bell

10-24-2023, 12:22 AM

Solitude

10-24-2023, 11:42 AM

i got these samples here , i don't know where i can get more samples

Solitude

10-24-2023, 03:17 PM

do you know how to interpret my results from this calc? what ancient ancestry i have?

Target: eindhein_scaled
Distance: 1.6576% / 0.01657599
28.0 Iberia_BA
16.4 West-Bantu
13.8 Germanic_Ruler
9.8 Amerindian_BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
9.6 Bantu-East
9.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
5.6 Imperial_Romans
4.2 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.0 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Jingle Bell

11-04-2023, 09:40 PM

Petalpusher

11-04-2023, 11:21 PM

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.0299% / 0.02029851
31.6 Gauls
26.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
19.0 Visigoth
15.6 Germanic_Ruler
4.6 Iberia_BA
2.4 Imperial_Romans

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.1730% / 0.02173047 | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
29.2 Gauls

Without Gauls

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.1687% / 0.02168749
30.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
29.4 Germanic_Ruler
18.8 Visigoth
10.0 Imperial_Romans
8.6 Iberia_BA
2.8 Proto-Celts

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.03126493 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13793
0.03225253 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13798
0.03371814 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15958
0.03394091 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
0.03462523 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13789
0.03589840 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2:BFM2 65
0.03796201 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13799
0.03936035 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
0.04089099 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15955
0.04109428 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15960
0.04124299 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20517
0.04144739 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20526
0.04221636 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I16182
0.04232108 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13788
0.04315026 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13787
0.04375037 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I13795
0.04529240 Proto-Celts:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699
0.04777578 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I15041
0.04821902 Pre-Proto-Celts:Urnfield:CZE_LBA_Knoviz:I20525
0.04884466 Gauls:Celtic:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:Jeb8

Eurafricanid

11-04-2023, 11:33 PM

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 1.1716% / 0.01171609 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
27.0 Imperial_Romans
23.0 Iberia_BA
1.8 Proto-Celts

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 0.9797% / 0.00979720
36.0 Iberia_BA
24.0 Pre-Proto-Celts
15.4 Imperial_Romans
10.8 Germanic_Ruler
7.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
6.0 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Solitude

11-05-2023, 05:29 PM

here best fit i got in this ancient calc with compatibility samples and my best fit with modern pops at 0,25x, i do look like pure iberian or a mixed european iberian with northwest shift?

Ancient pop

Target: eindhein_scaled
Distance: 1.4233% / 0.01423259
28.2 Iberia_BA
19.0 Germanic_Ruler
15.8 Western_African
10.0 Luhya_Kenya
7.8 Karitiana
6.0 Imperial_Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
2.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.2 Native_Brazilian

Modern pop

Target: eindhein_scaled
Distance: 1.4530% / 0.01453007 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.2 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
15.8 Mende_Sierra_Leone
11.2 Luhya_Kenya
10.4 Swedish:GSM1884838
8.2 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
7.2 Karitiana:HGDP01001
2.0 Karitiana:HGDP01001

this sample spanish_andalucia is mixed between canarias and north iberia

Gallop

11-05-2023, 06:13 PM

If the Goths are missing, it is not as realistic a calculator as they have previously said.

Solitude

11-05-2023, 06:16 PM

please send me samples you think it will get better

Eurafricanid

11-06-2023, 02:29 AM

If the Goths are missing, it is not as realistic a calculator as they have previously said.

Did you even bother to look at the samples?

Final version of the Realistic Iberian Calculator
If you're mixed, feel free to use any samples that fit best for you.

Source:

Germanic_Ruler:Migration_LIB:Suebi:LIB2,0.12862,0. 145221,0.071653,0.063308,0.045855,0.025937,0.00587 5,0.005307,-0.001023,-0.005649,-0.009743,0.002548,-0.00669,-0.00812,0.013165,0,-0.001043,-0.003674,-0.008673,0.016133,0.006863,0.006925,-0.000123,0.01687,-0.010658
Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0. 064865,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769, 0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06 939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic_Ruler:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine:NIEcap12c ,0.117238,0.133034,0.069013,0.059109,0.030467,0.01 3666,0.008695,0.013615,-0.002659,0.001276,-0.003897,0.006744,-0.015015,-0.003165,0.018594,0.005834,-0.002608,0.006841,0.005531,-0.003377,0.006738,0.006801,-0.004437,0.014942,0.006706
Germanic_Ruler:Gothic,0.129601699,0.128628296, 0.070194201,0.063413999,0.0407792,0.022368699,0.00 5429999,0.009020499,0.003015901,-0.0079066,-0.0034514,0.0045016,-0.0092687,-0.008651301,0.0226206,0.0071879,-0.006684,0.0019728,0.0026517,0.0057871,0.0084151,0 .0019783,0.000399701,0.0101653,-0.000605699

Imperial_Romans:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.1331 73,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.1274 82,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39, 0.111547,0.142174,-0.022627,-0.065892,0.002462,-0.020638,-0.00141,-0.006923,-0.004295,0.028064,0.007795,0.004796,-0.005798,0.000138,-0.013843,0.000796,0.006519,0.001394,-0.000628,0.004002,-0.00262,0.000989,-0.00037,-0.006386,-0.000838
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76, 0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Imperial_Romans:Mix:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR126 ,0.101303,0.150298,-0.038466,-0.074936,-0.005847,-0.020917,-0.00235,-0.007154,-0.003681,0.027882,0.004872,0.002698,-0.000892,0.001514,-0.009772,-0.003447,0.00665,-0.006968,0.002263,-0.009004,-0.004367,0.003091,-0.003328,0.003615,-0.00012
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Etruria_Imperial:ETR001,0.1138 23,0.148267,0.003394,-0.030362,0.018773,-0.024821,-0.00282,-0.001846,0.009408,0.027518,0.007632,-0.000599,-0.007284,-0.006881,0.003393,-0.006629,0.01343,-0.000887,-0.002891,-0.006128,0.006863,0.011252,0.005176,0.003735,0.009 34
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81,0.108132, 0.15436,-0.026398,-0.063308,0.005232,-0.027052,0.000705,0.008307,-0.001432,0.025149,0.005521,-0.003897,-0.002825,-0.005367,-0.010315,-0.001989,0.012126,0.004307,0.008422,0.001501,-0.010856,0.001484,0.00419,-0.001205,-0.001197
Imperial_Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR73,0.088782, 0.153345,-0.028661,-0.066215,0.000308,-0.01757,-0.005875,-0.005769,0.006749,0.025695,0.002436,-0.001349,0.0055,-0.00812,-0.002443,0.013657,0.014733,-0.003927,-0.002011,0.006628,-0.008984,-0.001607,-0.003697,0.003374,0.005987

Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b,0.118376 ,0.156392,-0.001131,-0.05168,0.020004,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004615,0.002863,0.030069,0.002598,0.007793,-0.012636,-0.002064,-0.012486,0.007027,0.019818,-0.002787,0.000251,-0.001126,-0.000624,0.004699,-0.001602,0.002651,-0.000359
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.118376,0.153 345,0.018479,-0.022933,0.028621,-0.01506,-0.00094,-0.003461,0.0045,0.022051,0.00065,0.007044,-0.016501,0.00055,-0.014522,-0.013126,-0.006519,0.002154,0.004022,-0.003377,-0.009733,-0.000371,0.009244,0.001807,0.000838
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652, 0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Greco:Greco-Micenei:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.0160 36,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66,0.111547,0.158423,-0.033187,-0.06783,0.002154,-0.026216,0.00094,-0.002538,-0.013703,0.025331,0.012991,-0.004196,-0.001041,0.00523,-0.022937,-0.014983,-0.005867,0.000507,0.004902,-0.015257,-0.005241,0.00272,-0.003451,0.00253,0.000958
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78,0.113823,0.157407,-0.031301,-0.079458,0.002154,-0.03012,-0.000705,-0.007846,-0.007772,0.019317,0.002436,0.005095,-0.009366,0.008395,-0.013436,-0.017369,-0.002217,0.000253,0.010936,-0.006503,-0.007237,-0.000989,-0.006286,-0.000482,0.005389
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128,0.118376,0.150298 ,-0.033187,-0.052326,-0.006463,-0.022311,0.001175,-0.011538,-0.018612,0.018953,0.005034,0.006294,-0.007433,0.014588,-0.019137,-0.012994,-0.007171,0.004561,0.003897,-0.013256,-0.003244,0.000618,0.005423,-0.000361,-0.008622
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43,0.111547,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.067184,0.003693,-0.025379,0.00423,-0.006,-0.007976,0.029704,0.003248,0.011839,-0.014717,0.006881,-0.017101,-0.000663,0.017341,0.003167,0.005028,-0.000625,-0.010981,0.010881,-0.003204,0.010001,-0.00012
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69,0.120652,0.146236,-0.016593,-0.05168,0.004308,-0.019522,-0.0047,-0.007846,-0.021884,0.027882,0.000325,0.01079,-0.014271,-0.003853,-0.020087,0.007558,0.034161,0.003421,0.010559,0.006 003,-0.008111,0.001855,-0.005916,-0.005422,-0.007185
Greeks_Colonies/Romans:Migr:UnderITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71,0.10927, 0.158423,-0.044123,-0.068153,-0.003693,-0.029841,0.001645,-0.00923,-0.013294,0.022051,0.001949,0.002698,-0.014123,0.003853,-0.020087,-0.011005,0.009648,0.002407,0.002137,0.005503,-0.004866,-0.00643,0.002588,0.007591,-0.003473

Berbers_&_Guanches:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012,-0.055773,0.138112,-0.003017,-0.078489,0.023081,-0.037929,-0.029141,0.006,0.080173,0.022597,0.007957,-0.008243,0.01115,-0.025873,0.028094,-0.012994,0.012386,-0.020524,-0.047011,0.008129,-0.009858,-0.04266,0.022308,-0.00253,0.011616
Berbers_&_Guanches:Kerkouane_IA,-0.072846629,0.142174118,0.003016937,-0.072352,0.032621693,-0.039618,-0.033605,0.009920714,0.090603272,0.031344596,0.011 363333,-0.0122918,0.026164226,-0.0156883,0.025515125,-0.017369144,0.00013038,-0.0269871,-0.055554828,0.0075,-0.0134748,-0.045256696,0.023296737,-0.014097,0.012337111

Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR132,0. 028456,0.139128,-0.009051,-0.07429,0.026159,-0.029562,-0.017391,0.003461,0.050517,0.03098,0.004547,-0.001798,0.003865,-0.007569,0.005972,-0.011535,0.001043,-0.003421,-0.025768,-0.003126,-0.008984,-0.017435,0.011339,-0.011086,0.005389
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR75,0.0 99026,0.153345,-0.037335,-0.070737,-0.002462,-0.029841,0.005875,-0.011769,-0.001227,0.016948,0.00682,0.002698,-0.005649,0.007569,-0.019137,0.002254,0.001695,0.000253,-0.001383,-0.007629,0.003619,-0.002102,-0.00493,-0.005181,0.008622
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72,0.1 13823,0.145221,-0.033564,-0.073321,-0.003693,-0.030957,0.008695,-0.008538,-0.005931,0.028976,0.009256,0.005545,0.002676,0.002 202,-0.010315,-0.002254,0.007432,0.002027,0.005908,-0.002501,0.000749,0.002968,-0.008504,-0.001566,0.006107
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR41,0.0 95611,0.139128,-0.036204,-0.076551,0.004924,-0.026216,-0.00282,-0.005769,0.002863,0.023508,0.003248,-0.001199,0.001635,0.004404,-0.006379,0.000796,0.002347,-0.003294,-0.001634,-0.005503,-0.005989,0.000866,0.00037,-0.001205,0.003952
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:Iberia_Ibiza_Punic:MS10614,0 .080814,0.139128,0.005657,-0.037791,0.035083,-0.016176,-0.004935,-0.007615,0.02986,0.042461,0.001624,0.010341,-0.004906,-0.007156,0.004886,0.012861,0.002217,-0.008742,-0.001508,0.003001,0.001622,-0.0115,-0.002095,-0.008676,0.005389
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL007,0. 071709,0.151314,0.008674,-0.0646,0.040931,-0.03263,-0.014806,0.003692,0.032519,0.043919,0.001624,-0.004796,-0.003865,-0.01734,-0.007193,-0.011668,-0.004955,-0.0019,-0.002263,-0.010005,-0.011729,-0.008903,-0.00419,-0.009278,0.004191
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL010,0. 050082,0.152329,0.001508,-0.081719,0.033545,-0.032351,-0.009165,-0.002769,0.035996,0.031709,0.001949,-0.005245,0.000297,-0.019405,-0.002986,0.001591,0.017863,-0.010388,-0.013073,0.001626,-0.013102,-0.007172,-0.003574,-0.011929,0.019759
Phoenicians_of_Iberia:ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL011,0. 030732,0.146236,0.004148,-0.072675,0.035083,-0.038766,-0.009635,0.002769,0.060335,0.041914,0.010555,-0.008692,0.008474,-0.013074,0.007736,-0.001458,0.007562,-0.023057,-0.023506,0.003377,-0.019091,-0.019661,0.022061,-0.004699,0.014609

Eurafricanid

11-06-2023, 02:35 AM

Grace O'Malley

11-06-2023, 04:18 AM

With updated calculator in first post.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.9287% / 0.01928672
75.4 Germanic_Ruler
24.6 Pre-Proto-Celts

Solitude

11-06-2023, 04:53 AM

ScandinavianCelt

11-06-2023, 04:43 PM

Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 1.9825% / 0.01982479

80.6 Germanic_Ruler
11.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
7.8 Pre-Proto-Celts

Target: PARENT 1
Distance: 1.7459% / 0.01745886

82.0 Germanic_Ruler
14.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
1.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Target: PARENT 2
Distance: 2.2386% / 0.02238594

75.6 Germanic_Ruler
16.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
7.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Eurafricanid

11-07-2023, 02:18 AM

here best fit i got in this ancient calc with compatibility samples and my best fit with modern pops at 0,25x, i do look like pure iberian or a mixed european iberian with northwest shift?

Ancient pop

Target: eindhein_scaled
Distance: 1.4233% / 0.01423259
28.2 Iberia_BA
19.0 Germanic_Ruler
15.8 Western_African
10.0 Luhya_Kenya
7.8 Karitiana
6.0 Imperial_Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
2.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.2 Native_Brazilian
...

I tested with your ratio and it seems that you have a bit of a northern-shift compared to me, but you have to consider that I have less northern european DNA than the average Iberian, but the difference is not much, compared to me it's only around 5%:

Target: Eurafricanid_in_brunolord20's_Ratio
Distance: 0.9926% / 0.00992571
29.4 Iberia_BA
26.6 Western_African
14.8 Germanic_Ruler
14.4 Imperial_Romans
10.0 Native_Brazilian
2.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
0.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Solitude

11-07-2023, 11:37 AM

I tested with your ratio and it seems that you have a bit of a northern-shift compared to me, but you have to consider that I have less northern european DNA than the average Iberian, but the difference is not much, compared to me it's only around 5%:

Target: Eurafricanid_in_brunolord20's_Ratio
Distance: 0.9926% / 0.00992571
29.4 Iberia_BA
26.6 Western_African
14.8 Germanic_Ruler
14.4 Imperial_Romans
10.0 Native_Brazilian
2.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
1.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
0.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

ok

gixajo

11-07-2023, 11:47 AM

Using all sources;

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.3503% / 0.01350322
31.0 Iberia_BA
27.0 Proto-Celts
19.4 Germanic_Ruler
10.2 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
6.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
4.6 Pre-Proto-Celts
1.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Removing only Iberia_BA:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6516% / 0.01651579
30.0 Proto-Celts
26.8 Imperial_Romans
24.4 Pre-Proto-Celts
8.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
7.0 Germanic_Ruler
3.4 Berbers_&_Guanches

Removing only pre-Protocelts&Protocelts:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4415% / 0.01441498
46.6 Iberia_BA
29.0 Germanic_Ruler
16.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
5.2 Imperial_Romans
2.6 Greeks_Colonies/Romans

Eurafricanid

11-07-2023, 02:26 PM

ok

I'm sorry but I had to test the Portuguese and Galician Averages with your Ratio, and it looks like this:

Target: Portuguese_in_brunolord20's_Ratio
Distance: 0.5025% / 0.00502478
19.8 Iberia_BA
19.2 Western_African
16.8 Germanic_Ruler
10.0 Native_Brazilian
9.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
8.6 Imperial_Romans
7.4 Kongo
5.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.2 Pre-Proto-Celts

Target: Spanish_Galician_in_brunolord20's_Ratio
Distance: 0.5832% / 0.00583188
22.0 Western_African
20.6 Iberia_BA
18.2 Germanic_Ruler
10.2 Native_Brazilian
9.6 Imperial_Romans
8.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
4.6 Kongo
3.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.6 Pre-Proto-Celts

...
Target: eindhein_scaled
Distance: 1.4233% / 0.01423259
28.2 Iberia_BA
19.0 Germanic_Ruler
15.8 Western_African
10.0 Luhya_Kenya
7.8 Karitiana
6.0 Imperial_Romans
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
3.8 Pre-Proto-Celts
2.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
2.2 Native_Brazilian
...

So I whould say that you're a little bit more Northern-Shifted than the Average Portuguese (abt 2.2%) and the Average Spanish from Galicia (abt 0.8%).

Solitude

11-07-2023, 03:15 PM

I'm sorry but I had to test the Portuguese and Galician Averages with your Ratio, and it looks like this:

Target: Portuguese_in_brunolord20's_Ratio
Distance: 0.5025% / 0.00502478
19.8 Iberia_BA
19.2 Western_African
16.8 Germanic_Ruler
10.0 Native_Brazilian
9.8 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
8.6 Imperial_Romans
7.4 Kongo
5.8 Berbers_&_Guanches
1.4 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
1.2 Pre-Proto-Celts

Target: Spanish_Galician_in_brunolord20's_Ratio
Distance: 0.5832% / 0.00583188
22.0 Western_African
20.6 Iberia_BA
18.2 Germanic_Ruler
10.2 Native_Brazilian
9.6 Imperial_Romans
8.6 Phoenicians_of_Iberia
4.6 Kongo
3.6 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.6 Pre-Proto-Celts

So I whould say that you're a little bit more Northern-Shifted than the Average Portuguese (abt 2.2%) and the Average Spanish from Galicia (abt 0.8%).

percentage is exactly 5.4%, there is a person who works with g25 a lot of years on facebook, i paid him and he can divided my real coords getting a fit of 0.0085, and the percentage is exactly 5% who runs between Sweden and Dutch region, my family came from the Dutch colonization region in Brazil, my mother's family has a lot of blonde and tall people almost 10 people, this could be the reason why companies are giving me so much Scandinavian and Northwest , it is a small percentage that in companies may be overestimated due to the reference panels matches being quite large

Eurafricanid

11-07-2023, 04:17 PM

percentage is exactly 5.4%, there is a person who works with g25 a lot of years on facebook, i paid him and he can divided my real coords getting a fit of 0.0085, and the percentage is exactly 5% who runs between Sweden and Dutch region, my family came from the Dutch colonization region in Brazil, my mother's family has a lot of blonde and tall people almost 10 people, this could be the reason why companies are giving me so much Scandinavian and Northwest , it is a small percentage that in companies may be overestimated due to the reference panels matches being quite large

Interesting... why don't you use your divided choords instead of using the full choords, like I do, btw, mine got divided with a fit of 0.00000000.

Solitude

11-07-2023, 04:43 PM

Interesting... why don't you use your divided choords instead of using the full choords, like I do, btw, mine got divided with a fit of 0.00000000.

you mean to me create a ghost sample?

Eurafricanid

11-07-2023, 05:16 PM

you mean to me create a ghost sample?

Ghost sample? What do you mean by that?

Solitude

11-07-2023, 06:53 PM

Ghost sample? What do you mean by that?

Did you mean for me to isolate my euro and run it on calculators?

Eurafricanid

11-07-2023, 07:03 PM

Did you mean for me to isolate my euro and run it on calculators?

Yes, I do it all the time, it's way easier and better, instead of always using those African and Amerindian samples.

Athalafuns

03-04-2024, 11:19 PM

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.3643% / 0.01364252
33.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
15.0 Iberia_BA
14.2 Proto-Celts
13.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
13.2 Germanic_Ruler
10.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

Solitude

03-05-2024, 12:11 PM

i can't understand , i can't score proto-celts with my real coords , i'll try to do a unscaled version of this calc

Target: NightmareCity_scaled
Distance: 1.3480% / 0.01347951
31.2 Iberia_BA
23.2 Germanic_Ruler
19.6 Bantu-West
7.2 Imperial_Romans
5.0 Amerindian
4.6 Luhya_Kenya
4.4 Berbers_&_Guanches
2.8 Native_Brazilian
1.6 Karitiana
0.4 Phoenicians_of_Iberia

Athalafuns

03-06-2024, 03:49 PM

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.3643% / 0.01364252
33.2 Pre-Proto-Celts
15.0 Iberia_BA
14.2 Proto-Celts
13.8 Greeks_Colonies/Romans
13.2 Germanic_Ruler
10.6 Berbers_&_Guanches

127451

Mopi The Dire Wolf

03-06-2024, 04:24 PM

https://i.imgur.com/yIUaUbI.png

http://i.imgur.com/izUzLjC.png (https://imgur.com/izUzLjC)

Solitude

03-29-2024, 02:42 AM

Parece que nao da pra usar em 0,25x , pelo testes essa calc é mais apropriada com no dist