Do you think Septentrion intentionally misrepresents Belgian population in terms of phenotype?

[PaganPoet]

Septentrion is always vague and flimsy when it comes down to give a visual representation of Belgian and Flemish people in particular, at least that is my strong impression.
Do you also have that feeling about him?
Do you have any idea why he would do that?

[Marshall Theodore]

I think he creates data/statistics based on sources from his own mind when talks about population, thats my impression.

[sean]

Nope.

Belgians are NW Europeans, and NW Europe is generally one cluster of people whose extremes range from Ireland to Sweden, Belgians as a whole are somewhere in between and it shows in their phenotype.

https://imgur.com/2Ltnj1G.gif

For example, the Walloons who settled in Sweden were only a couple of hundred people (probably the darkest Western European immigrants in Sweden), their descendants look far more Germanic than all those assimilated Southern European immigrants in Sweden put together. You simply can't bleach the arab out of people even after several generations.

https://i.imgur.com/8jeGt4H.jpg

[PaganPoet]

Nope.

Belgians are NW Europeans, and NW Europe is generally one cluster of people whose extremes range from Ireland to Sweden, Belgians as a whole are somewhere in between and it shows in their phenotype.

https://imgur.com/2Ltnj1G.gif

For example, the Walloons who settled in Sweden were only a couple of hundred people (probably the darkest Western European immigrants in Sweden), their descendants look far more Germanic than all those assimilated Southern European immigrants in Sweden put together. You simply can't bleach the arab out of people even after several generations.

https://i.imgur.com/8jeGt4H.jpg

Belgian people are between Irish and Swedish?
I don't think so.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?366742-Are-Belgians-Nordic/page42

Not even based on the picture you posted.

https://i.redd.it/gn794ozht90z.jpg
This picture shows Belgian people being closer to Hungarians, Austrians and Bulgarians. Not Swedish and Irish...

[Blondie]

This picture shows Belgian people being closer to Hungarians, Austrians and Bulgarians. Not Swedish and Irish...

Belgians are not even close to hungarians or bulgarians.

[PaganPoet]

Belgians are not even close to hungarians or bulgarians.

So what does that chart show?

[Russki]

NW Europe is generally one cluster from Ireland to Sweden and it shows in phenotype.


Not necessarily.

Swedes easily fit better in EE than in IE despite being genetically closer to the latter.


https://sun9-12.userapi.com/impg/p2H31kkd3sPflRAppQtXCW5IFg-631HJ87SkjA/8TNBBgbXqwo.jpg?size=370x150&quality=95&sign=6c9c2565f7d8f34e427402a53d8beb2f&type=album

https://sun9-50.userapi.com/impg/Wnq9X9h7xEEYFro6HiB9PO-3UlCpwNFyI1udZw/0wjD0uOehz8.jpg?size=1473x1198&quality=95&sign=3b984998c4455130867a6427e8ff4da2&type=album


If you are going to measure phenotypical overlap strictly by distance, you also have to accept that Romanians pass better in Sweden.


https://sun9-41.userapi.com/impg/U5-Xi5-Cx7N6kRUkEfC3zcMTDaP94_w14vTSfg/gqfdyF4GOHk.jpg?size=370x150&quality=95&sign=26dfcafaab7327f8cf92934a2058e301&type=album

[Scandal]

Septentrion is always right.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Septentrion is always vague and flimsy when it comes down to give a visual representation of Belgian and Flemish people in particular, at least that is my strong impression.
Do you also have that feeling about him?
Do you have any idea why he would do that?

I think people waste time on what's not important.

[Damião de Góis]

The problem for me is that he doesn't use the metric system.

[SouthDutch7991]

No because I think everyone misunderstands NW euro phenotypes. In general NW euros are intermediate on the light-dark scale, statistical studies show that with the exception of scandinavia the brown-blue/green and brown-red/blonde ratios are between 40/60 and 60/40 depending on the country.

Also, just from my own observations, more than 75% of white Americans are Brown haired and a little less than half are brown eyed. And ~85% of European Americans are descended from NW euro groups overall, with southern europe making up less than 10%.

[SouthDutch7991]

Not necessarily.

Swedes easily fit better in EE than in IE despite being genetically closer to the latter.


https://sun9-12.userapi.com/impg/p2H31kkd3sPflRAppQtXCW5IFg-631HJ87SkjA/8TNBBgbXqwo.jpg?size=370x150&quality=95&sign=6c9c2565f7d8f34e427402a53d8beb2f&type=album

https://sun9-50.userapi.com/impg/Wnq9X9h7xEEYFro6HiB9PO-3UlCpwNFyI1udZw/0wjD0uOehz8.jpg?size=1473x1198&quality=95&sign=3b984998c4455130867a6427e8ff4da2&type=album


If you are going to measure phenotypical overlap strictly by distance, you also have to accept that Romanians pass better in Sweden.


https://sun9-41.userapi.com/impg/U5-Xi5-Cx7N6kRUkEfC3zcMTDaP94_w14vTSfg/gqfdyF4GOHk.jpg?size=370x150&quality=95&sign=26dfcafaab7327f8cf92934a2058e301&type=album

Check a PCA before using raw distance. The raw distance numbers are often heavily skewed by recent isolation.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The problem for me is that he doesn't use the metric system.

I'll die before I use the metric system.

#TeamSeptentrion

[SouthDutch7991]

I'll die before I use the metric system.

#TeamSeptentrion

Based.

Imperial got it right the first time.

[Damião de Góis]

I'll die before I use the metric system.

#TeamSeptentrion

Yeah, but you are not "a belgian posting from Belgium".

[Creoda]

Not really. Only in his insistence that it's a stronghold of so-called Keltic Nordic's; well if it is they're not similar to the KN's that dominate in Scotland and Ireland. And most discussion of taxonomy/phenotypes is nonsense anyway so he's not alone there.


No because I think everyone misunderstands NW euro phenotypes. In general NW euros are intermediate on the light-dark scale, statistical studies show that with the exception of scandinavia the brown-blue/green and brown-red/blonde ratios are between 40/60 and 60/40 depending on the country.

Also, just from my own observations, more than 75% of white Americans are Brown haired and a little less than half are brown eyed. And ~85% of European Americans are descended from NW euro groups overall, with southern europe making up less than 10%.
Well in the scheme of Europe, non-Scandinavian NW Europeans are lighter than average. French and Hungarians etc are intermediate. Belgium is one of the darkest parts of NW Europe, with about 60% light eyes, and about 30% light hair, Netherlands/Britain/Germany are lighter, and yet Belgians are still lighter than the European average in hair, eyes and skin pigmentation.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Yeah, but you are not "a belgian posting from Belgium".

By the grace of God, I am not. I'm working with Dandelion to destroy the abomination that is Belgium.

If these two guys actually live in Belgium they should meet up for a fistfight and stream it live for the forum.

[Ruggery]

Not really. Only in his insistence that it's a stronghold of so-called Keltic Nordic's; well if it is they're not similar to the KN's that dominate in Scotland and Ireland. And most discussion of taxonomy/phenotypes is nonsense anyway so he's not alone there.


Well in the scheme of Europe, non-Scandinavian NW Europeans are lighter than average. French and Hungarians etc are intermediate. Belgium is one of the darkest parts of NW Europe, with about 60% light eyes, and about 30% light hair, Netherlands/Britain/Germany are lighter, and yet Belgians are still lighter than the European average in hair, eyes and skin pigmentation.

What would be the European average? Someone like the French?

[Damião de Góis]

By the grace of God, I am not. I'm working with Dandelion to destroy the abomination that is Belgium.

If these two guys actually live in Belgium they should meet up for a fistfight and stream it live for the forum.

I have no idea of what Septentrion's political view on Belgium is, if he is pro flemish independence or whatever... i don't think he has ever mention anything about that. His main topic is skin types and blondism in the British Isles.

[PaganPoet]

I have no idea of what Septentrion's political view on Belgium is, if he is pro flemish independence or whatever... i don't think he has ever mention anything about that. His main topic is skin types and blondism in the British Isles.

You would wonder why he has such an obsession with the British Isles. I wonder what THAT could be... :rolleyes:

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I have no idea of what Septentrion's political view on Belgium is, if he is pro flemish independence or whatever... i don't think he has ever mention anything about that. His main topic is skin types and blondism in the British Isles.

Regardless of his political view, I will support him - both morally and financially - for turning against the metric system in favor of a superior measuring system.

This is very important to me.

[PaganPoet]

I just wanted to add that Septentrion is convincing himself that I was trying to Iberianize the Belgian population...

[Cristiano viejo]

Belgians are NW Europeans
Nope.


I have no idea of what Septentrion's political view on Belgium is, if he is pro flemish independence or whatever... i don't think he has ever mention anything about that. His main topic is skin types and blondism in the British Isles.

:icon_lol:

[Ruggery]

The threads of Septentrion are basically the threads of pigmentation and taxonomy of European countries especially of the northeast, outside of there I rarely see it in the forum.

[lei.talk]

based on all of the evidence presented — obviously, he does.


Do you have any idea why he would do that?

the only reason deserving any empathy
would be: if his mother
(who he characterised as one-sixteenth flemish (http://www.city-data.com/forum/genealogy/1955767-ethnic-heritage-21st-century-americans-12.html#post31783531))
perished during the corona plandemic (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313564-Coronavirus-2020-plague)

and his "Belgium is Nordic!" is a legacy to her.





one of his other on-line voices
answers questions as a person
from a district in the belgium congo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo).

https://i.imgur.com/TPgpLqY.png (https://www.quora.com/profile/Yamulamba-Kasai)
mystifying (https://youtu.be/26ELh7P2ZtA).https://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png