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Beowulf

01-22-2023, 01:22 PM

Hispano_Celt,0.125205,0.1431895,0.065053,0.0114 665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
Iberian,0.1277665,0.13862,0.054588,0.0276165,0.04 1931,0.006554,0.0013512,0.0032308,0.0199922,0.0261 052,-0.0034912,0.0079805,-0.0198088,-0.0204372,0.0130632,0.0071268,0.0079535,0.0024072, 0.0036768,0.0012195,0.007362,0.002875,-0.0036052,-0.0004217,0.003862
Ancient_Greek,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Iberian,0.1244941,0.1489018,0.0564739,0.002 1802,0.0598572,-0.0031725,-0.0036426,0.0044711,0.0299882,0.0468802,-0.0047092,0.0111088,-0.0233585,-0.0145191,0.0078549,0.0056351,0.0067799,0.0016153, 0.0038024,-0.0010318,0.0055682,-9.26e-05,-0.007364,-0.0123961,-0.0011226
Visigoth_&_Suebi,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Old_North_Africa,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
Pre_Roman_Italy,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Hispano_Celt,0.125205,0.1431895,0.065053,0.0114 665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
Iberian,0.1277665,0.13862,0.054588,0.0276165,0.04 1931,0.006554,0.0013512,0.0032308,0.0199922,0.0261 052,-0.0034912,0.0079805,-0.0198088,-0.0204372,0.0130632,0.0071268,0.0079535,0.0024072, 0.0036768,0.0012195,0.007362,0.002875,-0.0036052,-0.0004217,0.003862
Ancient_Greek,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Iberian,0.1244941,0.1489018,0.0564739,0.002 1802,0.0598572,-0.0031725,-0.0036426,0.0044711,0.0299882,0.0468802,-0.0047092,0.0111088,-0.0233585,-0.0145191,0.0078549,0.0056351,0.0067799,0.0016153, 0.0038024,-0.0010318,0.0055682,-9.26e-05,-0.007364,-0.0123961,-0.0011226
Visigoth_&_Suebi,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Old_North_Africa,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
Pre_Roman_Italy,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031,0.126344,0.133034,0.039598,0.017119, 0.03416,0.007809,0.009635,0.009461,0.002659,0.0047 38,-0.006658,-0.002548,-0.009068,-0.003165,0.002307,-0.003315,0.004303,0.003547,-0.008296,0.006128,-0.000499,0.001237,-0.002711,0.00482,-0.008263
Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032,0.142279,0.145221,0.04978,0.030039,0 .03139,0.010877,-0.00047,0.013153,0.011862,0.011116,-0.006333,0.013038,-0.01888,-0.00234,0.004886,0.008221,0.004563,0.012162,0.0022 63,0.013006,0.010232,-0.000618,-0.001356,-0.002651,0.000838
Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162,0.114961,0.126941,0.046763,0.030685, 0.043085,0.011713,0.006815,0.000923,0.002863,0.006 196,-0.010393,0.007343,-0.000297,-0.011147,0.005157,-0.005701,0.001173,0.003801,0.005656,0.002501,0.019 965,0.000371,-0.000616,0.014821,-0.002634

father results(i use my father because he is the most iberian in my family):

Target: papa
Distance: 0.7668% / 0.00766793
33.4 Hispano_Celt
29.8 Iberian
15.0 East_Med
9.0 Visigoth_&_Suebi
7.4 Pre_Roman_Italy
5.4 Old_North_Africa

edit: East_Med changed to "Ancient_Greek"

Beowulf

01-22-2023, 01:50 PM

some iberians samples:

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Central
Distance: 1.0314% / 0.01031397 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.2 Hispano_Celt
32.8 Iberian
20.0 East_Med
6.0 Old_North_Africa

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese
Distance: 0.8191% / 0.00819112 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.8 Iberian
26.0 Hispano_Celt
16.4 East_Med
12.6 Old_North_Africa
5.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_West
Distance: 1.0749% / 0.01074889 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.2 Iberian
34.2 Hispano_Celt
13.2 East_Med
11.0 Old_North_Africa
5.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.2 Pre_Roman_Italy

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_East
Distance: 1.0197% / 0.01019730 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.8 Hispano_Celt
22.4 Pre_Roman_Italy
18.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
13.0 Iberian
9.6 East_Med
4.0 Old_North_Africa

Gallop

01-22-2023, 02:25 PM

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.9355% / 0.01935471
37.6 Hispano_Celt
17.2 Iberian
15.6 Pre_Roman_Italy
14.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
12.2 Old_North_Africa
3.0 East_Med

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.0366% / 0.02036628
33.8 Hispano_Celt
26.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi
19.2 Pre_Roman_Italy
14.0 Old_North_Africa
6.2 Iberian

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 02:34 PM

celticdragongod

01-22-2023, 02:35 PM

Version 1

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02427956 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.02427956 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.05047841 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
0.05048854 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162
0.05423025 Iberian
0.05423025 Iberian
0.05699615 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031
0.07218257 Hispano_Celt
0.07218257 Hispano_Celt
0.09044717 Iberian
0.09044717 Iberian
0.09542798 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.09542798 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.16345960 East_Med
0.16345960 East_Med
0.25439868 Old_North_Africa
0.25439868 Old_North_Africa

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.2604% / 0.02260353
97.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
2.8 Iberian

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.2604% / 0.02260353
57.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
25.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
14.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
2.8 Iberian

Marshall Theodore

01-22-2023, 02:36 PM

Target: Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese
Distance: 0.8191% / 0.00819112 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.8 Iberian
26.0 Hispano_Celt
16.4 East_Med
12.6 Old_North_Africa
5.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi

Jesus, very NA-shifted, 13% sounds mixed-race.

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 02:41 PM

My actual g25 (I added ssa and native samples):

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.8681% / 0.01868111
47.4 SSA
19.0 Pre_Roman_Italy
12.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi
8.0 Old_North_Africa
3.6 Hispano_Celt
3.4 East_Med
3.0 Iberian
2.8 Native_American
:confused: so i tried take off the Pre Roman samples (Since they overlap with Iberian BA/IA)

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.8968% / 0.01896849
47.2 SSA
14.6 Iberian
11.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
9.6 East_Med
7.6 Hispano_Celt
7.2 Old_North_Africa
2.6 Native_American

hehe i am Suebi :viking

Now i tried with my Proxy for my Euro side (Like Jgab did) but i did not add ssa and natives samples:

Target: Tentative_of_Proxy_Euro_Side
Distance: 1.8191% / 0.01819053
48.2 Iberian
16.6 Old_North_Africa
11.4 Pre_Roman_Italy
9.4 East_Med
8.2 Hispano_Celt
6.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi

worked a lot better with my proxy!

Good job man, very nice calculator ;)

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 02:43 PM

Jesus, very NA-shifted, 13% sounds mixed-race.

Not rly, the scientfic media (Made in qpAdm a profissional calc) is 11% for Portugal and Western Iberia overall, also keep in mind that NA are alr Europeans admixed (Neolithic and Copper Age contacts) so 13% NA is just like 6% or 7% Taforalt (Unmixed NA)

Marshall Theodore

01-22-2023, 02:48 PM

Not rly, the scientfic media (Made in qpAdm a profissional calc) is 11% for Portugal and Western Iberia overall, also keep in mind that NA are alr Europeans admixed (Neolithic and Copper Age contacts) so 13% NA is just like 6% or 7% Taforalt (Unmixed NA)

Those 11% from qpAdm are pure-taforalt (or taforalt-like) or already european admixed NA?

This is calculator is very interesting, its find even Nganassan among Anglos.

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 02:49 PM

Hispano_Celt,0.125205,0.1431895,0.065053,0.0114 665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
Iberian,0.1277665,0.13862,0.054588,0.0276165,0.04 1931,0.006554,0.0013512,0.0032308,0.0199922,0.0261 052,-0.0034912,0.0079805,-0.0198088,-0.0204372,0.0130632,0.0071268,0.0079535,0.0024072, 0.0036768,0.0012195,0.007362,0.002875,-0.0036052,-0.0004217,0.003862
East_Med,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Iberian,0.1244941,0.1489018,0.0564739,0.002 1802,0.0598572,-0.0031725,-0.0036426,0.0044711,0.0299882,0.0468802,-0.0047092,0.0111088,-0.0233585,-0.0145191,0.0078549,0.0056351,0.0067799,0.0016153, 0.0038024,-0.0010318,0.0055682,-9.26e-05,-0.007364,-0.0123961,-0.0011226
Visigoth_&_Suebi,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Old_North_Africa,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
Pre_Roman_Italy,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Hispano_Celt,0.125205,0.1431895,0.065053,0.0114 665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
Iberian,0.1277665,0.13862,0.054588,0.0276165,0.04 1931,0.006554,0.0013512,0.0032308,0.0199922,0.0261 052,-0.0034912,0.0079805,-0.0198088,-0.0204372,0.0130632,0.0071268,0.0079535,0.0024072, 0.0036768,0.0012195,0.007362,0.002875,-0.0036052,-0.0004217,0.003862
East_Med,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Iberian,0.1244941,0.1489018,0.0564739,0.002 1802,0.0598572,-0.0031725,-0.0036426,0.0044711,0.0299882,0.0468802,-0.0047092,0.0111088,-0.0233585,-0.0145191,0.0078549,0.0056351,0.0067799,0.0016153, 0.0038024,-0.0010318,0.0055682,-9.26e-05,-0.007364,-0.0123961,-0.0011226
Visigoth_&_Suebi,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Old_North_Africa,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
Pre_Roman_Italy,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031,0.126344,0.133034,0.039598,0.017119, 0.03416,0.007809,0.009635,0.009461,0.002659,0.0047 38,-0.006658,-0.002548,-0.009068,-0.003165,0.002307,-0.003315,0.004303,0.003547,-0.008296,0.006128,-0.000499,0.001237,-0.002711,0.00482,-0.008263
Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032,0.142279,0.145221,0.04978,0.030039,0 .03139,0.010877,-0.00047,0.013153,0.011862,0.011116,-0.006333,0.013038,-0.01888,-0.00234,0.004886,0.008221,0.004563,0.012162,0.0022 63,0.013006,0.010232,-0.000618,-0.001356,-0.002651,0.000838
Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162,0.114961,0.126941,0.046763,0.030685, 0.043085,0.011713,0.006815,0.000923,0.002863,0.006 196,-0.010393,0.007343,-0.000297,-0.011147,0.005157,-0.005701,0.001173,0.003801,0.005656,0.002501,0.019 965,0.000371,-0.000616,0.014821,-0.002634

father results(i use my father because he is the most iberian in my family):

Target: papa
Distance: 0.7668% / 0.00766793
33.4 Hispano_Celt
29.8 Iberian
15.0 East_Med
9.0 Visigoth_&_Suebi
7.4 Pre_Roman_Italy
5.4 Old_North_Africa

Just asking, its the first Iberia sample from which time? the samples looks more Celt like than Hispano Celts:
https://i.imgur.com/ypQzpHu.png

Beowulf

01-22-2023, 02:49 PM

Not rly, the scientfic media (Made in qpAdm a profissional calc) is 11% for Portugal and Western Iberia overall, also keep in mind that NA are alr Europeans admixed (Neolithic and Copper Age contacts) so 13% NA is just like 6% or 7% Taforalt (Unmixed NA)

the thing is that me and mother and grandma we are close to west iberia usually

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 02:49 PM

Those 11% from qpAdm are pure-taforalt (or taforalt-like) or already european admixed NA?

They are used Modern ones or Guanches, so euro admixed
Iberians dont score more than 6% Taforalt usually

Beowulf

01-22-2023, 02:50 PM

Just asking, its the first Iberia sample from which time? the samples looks more Celt like than Hispano Celts:
https://i.imgur.com/ypQzpHu.png

Iron age East Iberia, should i change it? maybe it was close to south Gauls

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 02:53 PM

Iron age East Iberia, should i change it? maybe it was close to south Gauls

Very interesting, u know the ID of that sample?
Nah dont change, if i were u i just would change the name for celt admixed or smth like, bcs this samples show a good admix of Bell Beaker/Urnfield admix

edit: if u want i have these 2 Lusitanian samples from Coninmbriga (central portugal) from Roman Times

Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10487,0.117238,0.142174,0. 04714,0.010659,0.044931,0.000837,0.00705,0.001385, 0.026588,0.025149,-0.001786,0.01124,-0.017096,-0.0139,0.010858,0.013922,0.010822,0.001014,-0.000251,0.01038,0.00861,0.000247,-0.002711,-0.010965,0.002994
Iberia_West_Conimbriga:R10488,0.108132,0.152329,0. 051288,0.006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.005077 ,0.036814,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004196,-0.022745,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053,-0.006025,-0.002874

Marshall Theodore

01-22-2023, 02:53 PM

They are used Modern ones or Guanches, so euro admixed
Iberians dont score more than 6% Taforalt usually

Ok, why they dont use ancient samples? there's a banned user here (Rocinante) who said many times that the better way to determine some admix is using ancient ppl as source, isnt for nothing he always used Iberomaurusian to determine NA admix in Iberians.

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 03:02 PM

it's true, it would be better to use Taforalt to know the admitix of "pure" NA in iberians, the problem is that idk how use qpAdm and i also don't know anyone who know how to use so its complicated, i tried to learn one time but its full of complicated terms and the tutorial be in english make this even harder, but I think the result wouldn't be so different on the g25 since it works well with components that don't overlap

https://i.imgur.com/xVpdY2v.png
https://i.imgur.com/b82jQHb.png

The media its abt 5% - 6%

Damião de Góis

01-22-2023, 03:09 PM

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.3308% / 0.02330794
35.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
21.2 Iberian
16.8 East_Med
13.2 Old_North_Africa
8.4 Hispano_Celt
4.8 Pre_Roman_Italy

Jingle Bell

01-22-2023, 03:14 PM

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.3308% / 0.02330794
35.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
21.2 Iberian
16.8 East_Med
13.2 Old_North_Africa
8.4 Hispano_Celt
4.8 Pre_Roman_Italy

it seems that suebi is filling in some yamnaya lacks that other components have
sorry to ask but i always see that you are usually very gaul/germanic/bell beaker admixed on that calculators, you are just a 100% portuguese with above average yamnaya or have some other ancestry ? no need to answer if you don't feel comfortable, just curious

Damião de Góis

01-22-2023, 03:22 PM

it seems that suebi is filling in some yamnaya lacks that other components have
sorry to ask but i always see that you are usually very gaul/germanic/bell beaker admixed on that calculators, you are just a 100% portuguese with above average yamnaya or have some other ancestry ? no need to answer if you don't feel comfortable, just curious to see your results

100% portuguese with known ancestry from Alentejo but i score a bit more steppe than average. And not that much, 2 or 3% more. Another member called Spaniard 2.0 scores more than me.

Pedro Ruben

01-22-2023, 03:30 PM

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.9381% / 0.01938118
36.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
25.0 Hispano_Celt
20.8 Old_North_Africa
12.4 East_Med
5.6 Pre_Roman_Italy

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.7452% / 0.01745237
29.2 Hispano_Celt
27.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
25.2 Old_North_Africa
13.4 Pre_Roman_Italy
5.0 East_Med

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0042% / 0.02004236
51.4 Iberian
21.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
16.8 Old_North_Africa
6.6 East_Med
3.8 Pre_Roman_Italy

Eurafricanid

01-22-2023, 04:22 PM

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.0970% / 0.01096982
47.2 West_Niger-Congo
23.0 Iberian
15.4 East_Med
9.2 Hispano_Celt
2.6 South_Amerindian
1.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
1.2 Old_North_Africa

Euro Proxy:

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled_Ov4
Distance: 2.0271% / 0.02027143
39.0 Iberian
29.8 East_Med
24.0 Hispano_Celt
3.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi
3.4 Old_North_Africa

Looks NA shifted, for sure.

Eurafricanid

01-22-2023, 04:33 PM

East Med are Ancient Greek settlers in Iberia, I think they should be labbeled as Ancient Greeks, or something like that.

Beowulf

01-22-2023, 04:39 PM

East Med are Ancient Greek settlers in Iberia, I think they should be labbeled as Ancient Greeks, or something like that.

i will change it

vader

01-22-2023, 05:04 PM

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.1990% / 0.02199028
37.2 Hispano_Celt
23.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
16.6 Old_North_Africa
14.0 Ancient_Greek
9.0 Pre_Roman_Italy

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.5110% / 0.01511047
35.4 Hispano_Celt
31.2 Iberian
14.4 Old_North_Africa
13.4 Ancient_Greek
5.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2866% / 0.02286635
30.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
26.2 Pre_Roman_Italy
17.2 Hispano_Celt
17.2 Old_North_Africa
8.8 Ancient_Greek

Target: LusoGF_Simulated
Distance: 6.6867% / 0.06686731
74.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
25.6 Ancient_Greek

Eurafricanid

01-22-2023, 05:28 PM

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.0970% / 0.01096982
47.2 West_Niger-Congo
23.0 Iberian
15.4 Ancient_Greek
9.2 Hispano_Celt
2.6 South_Amerindian
1.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
1.2 Old_North_Africa

Target: Jgab602EuroProxy-Final_Scaled_Ov4
Distance: 2.0271% / 0.02027143
39.0 Iberian
29.8 Ancient_Greek
24.0 Hispano_Celt
3.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi
3.4 Old_North_Africa

:thumb001:

PT Tagus

01-22-2023, 09:27 PM

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 2.1389% / 0.02138905
34.2 Hispano_Celt
27.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
20.2 Ancient_Greek
18.0 Old_North_Africa

Distance to: Endovelicus_scaled
0.06148783 Hispano_Celt
0.06148783 Hispano_Celt
0.06399787 Iberian
0.06399787 Iberian
0.06415807 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.06415807 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.06694477 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031
0.06913366 Iberian
0.06913366 Iberian
0.07121937 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162
0.08278151 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
0.09077524 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.09077524 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.09893600 Ancient_Greek
0.09893600 Ancient_Greek
0.17898657 Old_North_Africa
0.17898657 Old_North_Africa

Defcon2

01-22-2023, 09:37 PM

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 2.7619% / 0.02761919
34.0 Pre_Roman_Italy
26.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi
19.2 Hispano_Celt
14.6 Old_North_Africa
5.4 Ancient_Greek

alnortedelsur

01-22-2023, 09:53 PM

With the Calculator just like it is, without adding anything extra:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 5.2314% / 0.05231372
47.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
27.8 Old_North_Africa
14.8 Ancient_Greek
9.8 Hispano_Celt

Distance*to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.08939093 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162
0.08980506 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031
0.09179480 Hispano_Celt
0.09179480 Hispano_Celt
0.09336662 Iberian
0.09336662 Iberian
0.09667338 Iberian
0.09667338 Iberian
0.09861258 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.09861258 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.10567864 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.10567864 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.10855510 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
0.11984255 Ancient_Greek
0.11984255 Ancient_Greek
0.17096520 Old_North_Africa
0.17096520 Old_North_Africa

With Amerindian and SSA references:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.5295% / 0.02529468
26.8 Hispano_Celt
23.8 Ancient_Greek
20.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
13.4 Old_North_Africa
7.8 Amerindian_North
4.6 Pre_Roman_Italy
3.2 SSA

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.5310% / 0.02531038 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.0 Hispano_Celt
25.4 Ancient_Greek
20.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
13.2 Old_North_Africa
7.6 Amerindian_North
3.2 SSA

Distance*to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.08939093 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162
0.08980506 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031
0.09179480 Hispano_Celt
0.09179480 Hispano_Celt
0.09336662 Iberian
0.09336662 Iberian
0.09667338 Iberian
0.09667338 Iberian
0.09861258 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.09861258 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.10567864 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.10567864 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.10855510 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
0.11984255 Ancient_Greek
0.11984255 Ancient_Greek
0.17096520 Old_North_Africa
0.17096520 Old_North_Africa
0.55043046 Amerindian_North
0.71075688 SSA:West_African_Niger-Congo:Igbo

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

01-22-2023, 09:58 PM

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 2.1346% / 0.02134636
28.6 Hispano_Celt
24.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
18.4 Pre_Roman_Italy
15.2 Ancient_Greek
13.6 Old_North_Africa

Nelju

01-23-2023, 01:59 PM

Eurafricanid

03-30-2023, 12:47 AM

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.4388% / 0.01438777
47.4 Sub-Saharan_Africa
16.6 Iberian
15.4 Hispano_Celt
14.2 Ancient_Greek
3.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
2.6 Amerindian
0.6 Old_North_Africa

It changed a bit with the new (better) African and Amerindian samples.

Eurafricanid

03-30-2023, 12:51 AM

East Med could be levantine (Phoenicians, Sephardic jews) as well.

<tbody>
Target: Nelju_scaled
Distance: 1.6433% / 0.01643260

39.0
Karitiana

21.6
Visigoth_&_Suebi

13.4
Hispano_Celt

11.0
Old_North_Africa

9.8
East_Med

5.2
Yoruba

</tbody>

Yeah, the term "East Med" could be that, but he actually used Greek Settlers

Distance to: Ancient_Greek
0.00000000 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
0.01794275 ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_1
0.01828083 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA
0.02852578 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
0.03012720 GRC_Mycenaean
0.03046650 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA
0.03069807 BGR_Anc
0.03070140 ITA_Sicily_Himera_409BCE
0.03221087 GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
0.03688391 BGR_IA
0.03724218 HUN_MA_Szolad_o1
0.03977900 BGR_Krepost_N
0.04052405 TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_MBA
0.04068017 ITA_Tarquinia_Imperial
0.04089265 DEU_MA_Baiuvaric_o
0.04093824 ITA_Sicily_Himera_Civilians
0.04133790 ITA_Isola_Sacra
0.04161474 TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_EBA
0.04361052 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
0.04366618 TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Basilica_RomByz_A
0.04413785 ITA_Urbino_Bivio
0.04447153 TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
0.04452887 SRB_Naissus
0.04455460 TUR_Aegean_Mugla_Degirmendere_Anc
0.04592644 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

ScandinavianCelt

03-30-2023, 03:49 AM

Target: Brad_scaled
Distance: 2.0458% / 0.02045783 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC

42.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
30.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi
13.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
9.4 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162
2.8 Iberian
1.0 Iberian

cmt160

12-30-2023, 10:49 PM

Target: cmt160_scaled
Distance: 2.3745% / 0.02374540
34.4 Hispano_Celt
27.0 Visigoth_&_Suebi
24.0 Ancient_Greek
14.6 Old_North_Africa

Distance to: cmt160_scaled
0.05858748 Hispano_Celt
0.05858748 Hispano_Celt
0.05964611 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.05964611 Pre_Roman_Italy
0.06248137 Iberian
0.06248137 Iberian
0.06494495 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12031
0.06770134 Iberian
0.06770134 Iberian
0.07286073 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12162
0.07710961 Visigoth_&_Suebi:I12032
0.08952304 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.08952304 Visigoth_&_Suebi
0.09571571 Ancient_Greek
0.09571571 Ancient_Greek
0.18626871 Old_North_Africa
0.18626871 Old_North_Africa

Makes sense that I score high germanic. Most of my "northern" admix is actually predominately germanic and not celtic, but when mixed with native (iron age) iberian/imperial roman/NA it becomes pseudo-celtic.

CrGrt

01-01-2024, 06:05 PM

Target: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.8878% / 0.00887797
40.4 Iberian
38.8 Visigoth_&_Suebi
13.8 Ancient_Greek
4.2 Hispano_Celt
2.8 Old_North_Africa

gixajo

01-01-2024, 06:47 PM

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7856% / 0.01785562
38.6 Hispano_Celt
17.0 Iberian
16.8 Pre_Roman_Italy
16.6 Visigoth_&_Suebi
5.6 Old_North_Africa
5.4 Ancient_Greek

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.6995% / 0.01699458
43.8 Pre_Roman_Italy
16.8 Iberian
14.0 Visigoth_&_Suebi
11.4 Old_North_Africa
7.4 Ancient_Greek
6.6 Hispano_Celt

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.9852% / 0.01985229
50.8 Hispano_Celt
23.2 Pre_Roman_Italy
15.0 Visigoth_&_Suebi
6.4 Iberian
4.6 Old_North_Africa

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 1.2032% / 0.01203183
63.4 Iberian
16.2 Pre_Roman_Italy
14.2 Visigoth_&_Suebi
3.0 Old_North_Africa
2.6 Hispano_Celt
0.6 Ancient_Greek