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hajduk
11-22-2011, 07:54 AM
Bulgaria should be one of the countries in Eastern Europe to be "invited" to "join" the future Eurasian Union, a brainchild of Russian leader Vladimir Putin, according to Russian politicians and political scientists.

The creation of a new intergovernmental community of states out of the ruins of the Soviet Union in the form of an Eurasian Union was announced by current Russian PM and former and future President of Russia Putin in an article in the Moscow daily Izvestia in October 2011.

In addition to former Soviet Republics, the Russian Federation should seek to attract a number of other states to the new formation, including Bulgaria, according to the participants in a round table in Moscow of the ruling party United Russia, BTA reported citing the Russian press.

According to Putin's idea the new alliance is to be based on the Common Economic Space between Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan kicking off on January 1, 2011, reminded Russian political scientist Dmitry Orlov, as cited by the Kommersant daily.

"However, modernization goals require that Russia gets united with more than just the former Soviet republics that are part of the Commonwealth of Independent States today but also with states that are loyal to the Russian economic interests: Finland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Vietnam, Bulgaria, Cuba, and Venezuela," Orlov is quoted as saying.

The officials of United Russia have not surveyed the enumerated countries and their willingness to enter Putin's Eurasian Union, the paper points out.

"The tools and historical arguments are available to create the big project for an Eurasian Union that can unite 250 million people," the head of the Russian State Duma (Parliament) Boris Gryzlov argued in turn.

His arguments in favor of Putin's project include the "common history of the nations" from the post Soviet space, while the tools he mentioned are the Russian language as a lingua franca and economic cooperation.

He added that the future entity is supposed to be a "union of sovereign states" rather than a unified state.

"The EU will not open its doors for Russia in the near future, and it would not want to join NATO. At the same time, however, the world is going to be developing within integration groups, and the future Eurasian Union is something that is natural for Russia," a Russian TV host and journalists, Aleksey Pushkov, is quoted as saying.

"The Eurasian Union should bring together not so much the territories but the peoples and citizens into a unified state body," declared in turn at the United Russia round table Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's notorious Ambassador to NATO, who is known for describing Bulgaria as "Russia's Trojan Horse in the EU" back in 2008.

Rogozin has argued that Moscow should pay greater attention to the applications of 20 000 Kosovo Serbs for Russian citizens. He has also reminded his idea that the Russian language should be recognized as an official EU language. One million signatures from seven EU states are needed in order to petition for that, the Kommersant daily points out.

The participants in the United Russia party round table have not worked on specific measures for the formation of the proposed "Eurasian Union."

Maksat Kunakunov, an advisor to the chair of the Parliament of Kyrgyzstan, is said to have quoted at the end of the discussion Vladimir Putin himself, as saying, "Whoever doesn't feel sorry for the Soviet Union has no heart; whoever is dreaming of bringing back the Soviet Union has not brains."

"And whoever doubts that we will create a new union is just a fool," Kunakunov himself has added.
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134045

Joe McCarthy
11-22-2011, 08:09 AM
The inclusion of Kazakhstan in this Eurasian Union, which Putin and Medvedev are pushing for by 2015, has worse demographic treason potentiality than letting Turkey into the EU. I would hope Bulgaria would pass.

Turkey
11-22-2011, 08:52 AM
I think it's a shame because eastern Europeans are valuable to us. If they are closer to the west then it bridges the gap between Germanic people and Slavic people. If this Eurasian union goes ahead it'll drive us apart.

Contra Mundum
11-22-2011, 10:34 AM
The inclusion of Kazakhstan in this Eurasian Union, which Putin and Medvedev are pushing for by 2015, has worse demographic treason potentiality than letting Turkey into the EU. I would hope Bulgaria would pass.

LMAO@ an American lecturing others on demographic treason. The US is pressuring Europeans to admit Turkey into the EU.

Kazakhstan is mineral rich and a huge country, but with only 16 million people, 25% of them are Russian. Compare this to Mexico with 115 million people and virtually none of them Anglo. A violent and corrupt society that the US included into NAFTA, and shares a poorly defended border with. Now the USA has the second largest mestizo/Hispanic population in the world after Mexico itself.

Europe is foolish having an alliance with such a mixed race country as America and should kick their multiracial military out of Europe.

Joe McCarthy
11-22-2011, 10:40 AM
LMAO@ an American lecturing others on demographic treason. The US is pressuring Europeans to admit Turkey into the EU.

Kazakhstan is mineral rich and a huge country, but with only 16 million people, 25% of them are Russian. Compare this to Mexico with 115 million people and virtually none of them Anglo. A violent and corrupt society that the US included into NAFTA, and shares a poorly defended border with. Now the USA has the second largest mestizo/Hispanic population in the world after Mexico itself.

Europe is foolish having an alliance with such a mixed race country as America and should kick their multiracial military out of Europe.

What is any of this supposed to mean? I don't favor US policy on Turkish accession into the EU, though since Sarkozy told Obama where to go the matter is dead. Rather than try and distract attention by bitching at America, how about bothering to defend Putin's Eurasian Union?

Contra Mundum
11-22-2011, 10:46 AM
What is any of this supposed to mean? I don't favor US policy on Turkish accession into the EU, though since Sarkozy told Obama where to go the matter is dead. Rather than try and distract attention by bitching at America, how about bothering to defend Putin's Eurasian Union?

You have a Russian obsession yet you never bash what your government does. Everything you accuse Russia of doing or not doing about demographics, your country is far worse. Kazakhstan was part of the old Soviet Union. It's been intertwined with Russia for a long time. It has a small population that is not a threat to Russia demographically. If there have been any migration, it's been Russians moving there, not the natives moving to Russia.

And you're really not bothered by changing demographics unless it involves Muslims. I wouldn't label you as a racialist. You're just working hard to turn people against Russia because that country doesn't go along with America's Neocon Israel first agenda.

Contra Mundum
11-22-2011, 10:50 AM
Russians have been moving into these central Asian and Siberian lands for centuries. It's not unlike white Americans moving into Indian country in the 19th century.

Joe McCarthy
11-22-2011, 10:52 AM
You have a Russian obsession yet you never bash what your government does. Everything you accuse Russia of doing or not doing about demographics, your country is far worse. Kazakhstan was part of the old Soviet Union. It's been intertwined with Russia for a long time. It has a small population that is not a threat to Russia demographically. If there have been any migration, it's been Russians moving there, not the natives moving to Russia.

That's simply nonsense. Some of Russia's illegal immigrant population comes from Kazakhstan. If this Union evolves into a political union, and it very likely will, it'll probably allow Kazakhs free entry into Russia and Belarus.

But since it's Vladimir Putin, and he put a couple of kikes in jail, it's ok. :rolleyes:

Siberyak
11-26-2011, 03:58 AM
Kazakhstan is 5% German also. They were deported there by Stalin from the Volga region of Russia.

Siberyak
11-26-2011, 04:02 AM
That's simply nonsense. Some of Russia's illegal immigrant population comes from Kazakhstan. If this Union evolves into a political union, and it very likely will, it'll probably allow Kazakhs free entry into Russia and Belarus.

But since it's Vladimir Putin, and he put a couple of kikes in jail, it's ok. :rolleyes:

Russia will most likely break up along ethnic lines before this union gets going. Almost everything the Kremlin does is a failure.

BeerBaron
11-26-2011, 04:18 AM
Not much hope for this working out. Bulgaria also hosts the US military, not sure how large the base is, but there is one.

beaver
11-26-2011, 05:06 AM
Russia will most likely break up along ethnic lines before this union gets going. Almost everything the Kremlin does is a failure.

I doubt that Russia will break soon but yes, visit Russian gunforums and you will see that average member hates the Kremlin more than US and NATO (but is ready to fight, not for these Moscow dolboebs (долбоебы) though).

Siberyak
11-26-2011, 05:59 AM
I doubt that Russia will break soon but yes, visit Russian gunforums and you will see that average member hates the Kremlin more than US and NATO (but is ready to fight, not for these Moscow dolboebs (долбоебы) though).

There is a movement that wants to seperate Siberia from Moscow rule.

beaver
11-26-2011, 07:20 AM
There is a movement that wants to seperate Siberia from Moscow rule.
No way, Russians will stay Russians even if the devil sits in the Kremlin.

Sylvanus
11-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Our migthy Lord Putin want to join half Europe to the Eurasian Union and the US and the Eu govs to do one's best that eastern Eu-memberstates people will hate more the Transatlantic oligarchy than the Russian gov. F.e. in many hungarian nationalists are eurosceptic and great fan of Putin's Russia.

By the way Russia are in deep shit with low birth rate and they will be Tunguzistan soon.

beaver
11-26-2011, 02:50 PM
Lord Putin want
Lord Putin in reality wants to have his accounts in the Western banks and no more. Yes, they all were very disturbed about Gaddafi. He kissed all Evropean leaders a month ago and now what?!!!

W. R.
11-26-2011, 03:37 PM
Some of Russia's illegal immigrant population comes from Kazakhstan. If this Union evolves into a political union, and it very likely will, it'll probably allow Kazakhs free entry into Russia and Belarus.Kazakhstan is pretty well-off, at least better than Belarus for sure. Although its name has the -stan part, the country is not a sh*thole. I don't see why Kazakhs should emigrate to the two countries en masse.

As for the political union, Nursultan Nazarbayev is not too fond of it, all he seeks is some economic benefits for his country. Łukašenka's rhetoric is a bit more "bold", but it's because Russians have his balls now, when his economic model is refusing to work, and his main hope are credits and less direct economic support from the East. When Belarus recovers Łukašenka's rhetoric may become more like Nazarbayev's.

morski
11-26-2011, 05:57 PM
You are quite right I think.

Kazakhstan was the only Central Asian former Soviet republic not to expell its Russian minority(engineers, scientists, administrators, military personnel, hell even their sport teams are massively Ruskies- point being- the people that did run the country)after the break-up.

They have 0 problems with religious bullshit, although the place has a lot of faiths.

They invest amply in innovation and infrastructure. Especially impressive is the new capital city Astana, built from scratch.

I had an acquaintance from that country- ethnic Bulgarian bloke studying here, who upon his graduation packed his shit up and flew back there unlike most of the Moldovans and Ukrainians(again Bulgarian diaspora) who come here to get a higher education and stay.

Siberyak
11-26-2011, 11:55 PM
No way, Russians will stay Russians even if the devil sits in the Kremlin.

Yes way, www.russobor.com Siberian seperatists

Siberyak
11-26-2011, 11:58 PM
Our migthy Lord Putin want to join half Europe to the Eurasian Union and the US and the Eu govs to do one's best that eastern Eu-memberstates people will hate more the Transatlantic oligarchy than the Russian gov. F.e. in many hungarian nationalists are eurosceptic and great fan of Putin's Russia.

By the way Russia are in deep shit with low birth rate and they will be Tunguzistan soon.

I agree but atleast russians have shown resistance. There were over 40 racially motivated murders in Russia last year.

Sylvanus
11-27-2011, 05:00 PM
Lord Putin in reality wants to have his accounts in the Western banks and no more. Yes, they all were very disturbed about Gaddafi. He kissed all Evropean leaders a month ago and now what?!!!

Side by side the financial trolls in english speaking russian and russian payed (?) western media speek always the collaps of the atlantic economies. How the fuck do know what is the true... :(