Why Italians and usually have so few WHG DNA?

[Jingle Bell]

They have very few comparing to S. Frenchs and Iberians, my question is, why?

[Gallop]

Some bottleneck or had to move or emigrate in the face of the arrival of others.

[celticdragongod]

Maybe the WHG were wiped out by invading Middle Easterners?

[Jingle Bell]

Maybe the WHG were wiped out by invading Middle Easterners?

yeah but this also occoured in Iberia (In case by a some NA in Copper Age, Roman Period and Middle Ages) and iberians still have a lot more WHG

italian neolithic:

Target: ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR10
Distance: 2.4541% / 0.02454054
97.0 TUR_Barcin_N
3.0 WHG

Target: ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR2
Distance: 3.6097% / 0.03609670
96.2 TUR_Barcin_N
3.8 WHG

Copper age (Pre-Yamnayas and ME's also)


Target: ITA_Broion_CA:BRC001_023
Distance: 4.6376% / 0.04637640
89.4 TUR_Barcin_N
10.6 WHG

Target: ITA_Broion_CA:BRC022
Distance: 3.8063% / 0.03806312
88.0 TUR_Barcin_N
11.6 WHG
0.4 Jarawa

only 10% WHG, now look iberia N & CA

Target: Iberia_N:I0413
Distance: 5.8771% / 0.05877119
88.0 TUR_Barcin_N
12.0 WHG


Target: Iberia_N:I0409
Distance: 5.0145% / 0.05014450
87.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG

in CA the WHG is even more absurd compared to Italians:

Target: Iberia_Central_CA:I6609
Distance: 5.9357% / 0.05935712
76.8 TUR_Barcin_N
22.8 WHG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Iberia_Central_CA:I6604
Distance: 7.1719% / 0.07171930
72.6 TUR_Barcin_N
27.4 WHG

in CA iberians were abt 2.5x more WHG admixed, why? Neolithic were pacifics guys and looks like they did not fight in Italy neither iberia, so why the blood is so few in italy and also greece?? maybe these areas were less habitated by WHG in mesolithic compared to iberia? i myself i am 5% - 6% WHG despite begin only 50% Euro, this makes me with a similar WHG quantity as a modern italian and greek, why a such low WHG?

[Cristiano viejo]

They have very few comparing to S. Frenchs and Iberians, my question is, why?

and why not? we are not the same people, man.

[Jingle Bell]

and why not? we are not the same people, man.

i mean its bcs they are the closets countries but at the same time the WHG varies so much, my question is why Italians and Greeks have so much less WHg than other places in Europe? they have a lot of ENF and a good amount of PIE but for some reason they have minimal WHG and this is not even recent, since neolithic they were poorly whg admixed

[Cristiano viejo]

i mean its bcs they are the closets countries but at the same time the WHG varies so much, my question is why Italians and Greeks have so much less WHg than other places in Europe? they have a lot of ENF and a good amount of PIE but for some reason they have minimal WHG and this is not even recent, since neolithic they were poorly whg admixed
maybe not so close like you think.

[Jingle Bell]

maybe not so close like you think.

i mean geographically, Iberia have a whg amount more similar to Scotland than to Italy

[Reozek]

Not just Iberians and S.French, they have much less WHG even compared to Sardinians. IMO, and not only IMO, the people located west of the Italian peninsula and Greece are more autochnous.

Iron Age Italics had a decent amount of WHG
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230205/3e129b2f66ca02079d6bf5f777ad32dc.jpg

[Eurafricanid]

It Seems that Neolithic Italians were very little WHG admixed:

Target: ITA_Ripabianca_di_Monterado_N:RMPR19
Distance: 3.3026% / 0.03302598
90.2 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG

Target: ITA_Ripabianca_di_Monterado_N:RMPR18
Distance: 3.6722% / 0.03672164
87.2 TUR_Barcin_N
7.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.0 WHG
0.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps

Target: ITA_Ripabianca_di_Monterado_N:RMPR16
Distance: 2.9510% / 0.02951004
89.4 TUR_Barcin_N
10.6 WHG

Target: ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR9
Distance: 1.9841% / 0.01984070
99.6 TUR_Barcin_N
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR8
Distance: 2.9823% / 0.02982301
94.6 TUR_Barcin_N
4.6 WHG
0.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Target: ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR3
Distance: 2.6751% / 0.02675098
99.2 TUR_Barcin_N
0.8 WHG

Target: ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR2
Distance: 3.6097% / 0.03609670
96.2 TUR_Barcin_N
3.8 WHG

And then a ressurgence happened in the Chalcolithic and with the Remedello Culture:

Target: ITA_Monte_San_Biagio_CA:RMPR1014
Distance: 3.7373% / 0.03737277
85.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.8 WHG


Target: ITA_LaSassa_CA:LSC002_004
Distance: 3.2928% / 0.03292785
86.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 WHG


Target: ITA_Gattolino_CA:GLR001A1
Distance: 3.5936% / 0.03593644
80.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 WHG
3.2 MAR_Taforalt
3.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 Han

Target: ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE489
Distance: 4.1767% / 0.04176698
84.6 TUR_Barcin_N
15.4 WHG

Target: ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE487
Distance: 5.1470% / 0.05146964
81.8 TUR_Barcin_N
17.6 WHG
0.6 Han

Target: ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE486
Distance: 4.4405% / 0.04440452
79.4 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 WHG
3.2 MAR_Taforalt

But not near to the amount of the Iberians, but Italians also score a lot of Minoan, and Anatolian_BA, anyways, which lack WHG


Target: Italian_Liguria
Distance: 1.0283% / 0.01028317
43.4 Bell_Beaker
24.2 Minoan
10.6 Italian_N/Chl
7.2 Anatolian_BA
6.6 Corded_Ware
6.4 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora
1.6 Iberomaurusian

Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 0.3132% / 0.00313167
27.8 Anatolian_BA
20.2 Italian_N/Chl
18.6 Bell_Beaker
14.6 Corded_Ware
14.0 Minoan
3.8 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora
0.6 Iranian_Chl
0.4 Iberomaurusian

Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.0243% / 0.00024253
31.4 Bell_Beaker
20.0 Italian_N/Chl
19.6 Anatolian_BA
14.2 Minoan
11.4 Corded_Ware
3.0 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora
0.4 Iberomaurusian

Target: Italian_Veneto
Distance: 0.3893% / 0.00389294
24.2 Corded_Ware
24.2 Bell_Beaker
20.4 Italian_N/Chl
13.2 Minoan
12.4 Iberian_Chl/Globular_Amphora
5.6 Anatolian_BA

[Flashball]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1538x1445q90/r/922/D5xcGE.png

[Jingle Bell]

Nuragic
Sardinia

and Greeks? they dont have NUragic DNA but still poorly WHG admixed since Neolithic

[Flashball]

and Greeks? they dont have NUragic DNA but still poorly WHG admixed since Neolithic

I don't know, they are not the same people...

This is Neolithic Sardinia
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1199x1445q90/r/923/2YKSmM.png

Modern (Goceano area, between Nuoro and Sassari)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1538x1445q90/r/922/D5xcGE.png