Flamish impact in portugueses

[Sacrificed Ram]

I did a test and had an important impact of Western Europe and Scandinavia, despite I have none ancestry (according I know) in these areas, but I'm perceiving many portugueses score it too. Could it be result of flemish influence among portugueses?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGpu3RXpR4o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn0IUxX9HJk

[DraviXi99]

I did a test and had an important impact of Western Europe and Scandinavia, despite I have none ancestry (according I know) in these areas, but I'm perceiving many portugueses score it too. Could it be result of flemish influence among portugueses?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGpu3RXpR4o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn0IUxX9HJk

Yes,also from normandy,brittany,british (mostly scottish and english),dutch and german.

[Beowulf]

I've seen a lot of portuguese and brazilians who tested with my heritage and in there they got a lot of Northern European

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Unless your Portuguese roots are Azorean, any hypothetical Flemish ancestry is unlikely.

[Grace O'Malley]

Unfortunately My Heritage is not to be relied on. There is something very wrong with their algorithm. They give everyone non-existent ancestry. You'd be better off relying on 23&Me or Ancestry.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Unless your Portuguese roots are Azorean, any hypothetical Flemish ancestry is unlikely.

Yes, Azorean were an important component to settle and populate Brazil, then their effect would be greater in Brazil than Portugal.

[Monapps]

It is possible that My Heritage uses a Basque-centric Iberian reference.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yes, Azorean were an important component to settle and populate Brazil, then their effect would be greater in Brazil than Portugal.

Keep in mind that people of Flemish origin settled in the Azores about 500 years ago and were absorbed by the local population. The probability that some Azoreans have at least one remote ancestor of Flemish origin is considerable, but this does not necessarily translate into a genetic differentiation from the mainland Portuguese. MyHeritage should be interpreted as a calculator rather than the actual heritage of certain regions since almost all Portuguese people get a significant portion of heritage from Northwestern Europe on MyHeritage without necessarily having any origin from that region.

[Cernunnos]

There was some flemish stettlement from the early Portuguese kings (Sancho I), but i think it was not substantial.

[Tie red]

I would not rely too much on myheritage results.

[Figueiredo]

Although My Heritage is sometimes unreliable, there is considerable influence from the Flemish and Walloon peoples in Portugal.

[Jingle Bell]

Yeah MH is not a confiable place, sometimes it works ok but they database its so low that its comum for iberians score a lot of NW Euro or Italian
U alr did Gedmatch? Is far more reliable

[Beowulf]

Yeah MH is not a confiable place, sometimes it works ok but they database its so low that its comum for iberians score a lot of NW Euro or Italian
U alr did Gedmatch? Is far more reliable

true but something that io love about MH is the coincidences database for me was perfect and i could see known familars who did the test and also i was able to improve my genealogical tree :)

i hope they update soon they didn't update ehtnicity since 2017.

[RyoHazuki]

Unfortunately My Heritage is not to be relied on. There is something very wrong with their algorithm. They give everyone non-existent ancestry. You'd be better off relying on 23&Me or Ancestry.

The worst result, but the best raw data.

[Damião de Góis]

Unless your Portuguese roots are Azorean, any hypothetical Flemish ancestry is unlikely.

Only Azores, only certain islands, and this is something that happened in the 1400s and 1500s. So i don't think it's something to be considered.

[Marshall Theodore]

Portuguese lacks of Flemish impact unless you're referring to Azoreans.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Only Azores, only certain islands, and this is something that happened in the 1400s and 1500s. So i don't think it's something to be considered.

Yes. If anything the impact might be mostly found on paternal haplogroups but this is just me speculating. There is a significant amount of R1b-L21 in the Azores but yet again, this might be because the Azores is overly represented on most amateur genetic studies comparatively to Continental Portugal.

[prohairesis]

Yes, we Azoreans from the central islands group (Terceira, Sao Jorge, etc) have a certain amount of Flemish ancestry. Speaking of MyHeritage, my Azorean relatives on MH still have hundreds of matches from Flanders and the Netherlands in the 7cM-40cM range. It's speculated that 2000-5000 people from Flanders, the Netherlands generally, and northern France settled in the central islands of the archipelago. IMO this heritage is still noticeable in the phenotypes present in the islands, you can often see people with a Dutch sort of look (widely spaced eyes, fair/reddish hair, and a certain look to the mouth/teeth area).

[DraviXi99]

Yes, we Azoreans from the central islands group (Terceira, Sao Jorge, etc) have a certain amount of Flemish ancestry. Speaking of MyHeritage, my Azorean relatives on MH still have hundreds of matches from Flanders and the Netherlands in the 7cM-40cM range. It's speculated that 2000-5000 people from Flanders, the Netherlands generally, and northern France settled in the central islands of the archipelago. IMO this heritage is still noticeable in the phenotypes present in the islands, you can often see people with a Dutch sort of look (widely spaced eyes, fair/reddish hair, and a certain look to the mouth/teeth area).

True,there was also some germans and austrians,british etc... It also gave white brazilians of iberian descent a more light,pan - european look.

[Damião de Góis]

Yes, we Azoreans from the central islands group (Terceira, Sao Jorge, etc) have a certain amount of Flemish ancestry. Speaking of MyHeritage, my Azorean relatives on MH still have hundreds of matches from Flanders and the Netherlands in the 7cM-40cM range. It's speculated that 2000-5000 people from Flanders, the Netherlands generally, and northern France settled in the central islands of the archipelago. IMO this heritage is still noticeable in the phenotypes present in the islands, you can often see people with a Dutch sort of look (widely spaced eyes, fair/reddish hair, and a certain look to the mouth/teeth area).

Aren't you another brazilian?

Azoreans are indistinguishable from other portuguese, i can assure you some small foreign settlement from 500 years ago is diluted by now.

[DraviXi99]

Aren't you another brazilian?

Azoreans are indistinguishable from other portuguese, i can assure you some small foreign settlement from 500 years ago is diluted by now.

Why are you so defensive when someone mentions Azores ?

[Damião de Góis]

Why are you so defensive when someone mentions Azores ?

I have no clue of what you are talking about.

[DraviXi99]

I have no clue of what you are talking about.

Well,it's just that i saw your posts on that thread about luso - brazilians being lighter than the portuguese and you looked really defensive lol.

[Damião de Góis]

Well,it's just that i saw your posts on that thread about luso - brazilians being lighter than the portuguese and you looked really defensive lol.

So you are the same guy as before? Not a surprise since one of the things i noticed when i was a mod was the crazy amount of brazilians with multiple accounts and fake profiles.

Brazilians here on TA are convinced that brazilians of portuguese descent are somehow lighter than portuguese in Portugal (which is something i find comical). To justify it they claim it's because the brazilians descend from azoreans and azoreans have flemish ancestry. I saw this and gave my opinion, you can ask other portuguese members what they think about this if you don't like my opinions.

The guy with the french flag is most likely another brazilian claiming the same thing, just like you.

[DraviXi99]

So you are the same guy as before? Not a surprise since one of the things i noticed when i was a mod was the crazy amount of brazilians with multiple accounts and fake profiles.

Brazilians here on TA are convinced that brazilians of portuguese descent are somehow lighter than portuguese in Portugal (which is something i find comical). To justify it they claim it's because the brazilians descend from azoreans and azoreans have flemish ancestry. I saw this and gave my opinion, you can ask other portuguese members what they think about this if you don't like my opinions.

The guy with the french flag is most likely another brazilian claiming the same thing, just like you.

I'm not him,i was just lurking in the forum when the thread showed up,it's just that sometimes i look for older threads and i didn't even know the forum back then. Also,there's chance that the french might be that catalan who was banned some time ago.

[Jingle Bell]

So you are the same guy as before? Not a surprise since one of the things i noticed when i was a mod was the crazy amount of brazilians with multiple accounts and fake profiles.

Brazilians here on TA are convinced that brazilians of portuguese descent are somehow lighter than portuguese in Portugal (which is something i find comical). To justify it they claim it's because the brazilians descend from azoreans and azoreans have flemish ancestry. I saw this and gave my opinion, you can ask other portuguese members what they think about this if you don't like my opinions.

The guy with the french flag is most likely another brazilian claiming the same thing, just like you.

Wtf, who tf claims that luso-brasilians are lighter than portugueses? XD
I never saw not even a brazilian saying that, thats not even logical bruh

[DraviXi99]

Wtf, who tf claims that luso-brasilians are lighter than portugueses? XD
I never saw not even a brazilian saying that, thats not even logical bruh

Peguei o link,pode lurkar ai na thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363412-Classify-brazilian-actor-F%E1bio-Assun%E7%E3o

[Sacrificed Ram]

So you are the same guy as before? Not a surprise since one of the things i noticed when i was a mod was the crazy amount of brazilians with multiple accounts and fake profiles.

Brazilians here on TA are convinced that brazilians of portuguese descent are somehow lighter than portuguese in Portugal (which is something i find comical). To justify it they claim it's because the brazilians descend from azoreans and azoreans have flemish ancestry. I saw this and gave my opinion, you can ask other portuguese members what they think about this if you don't like my opinions.

The guy with the french flag is most likely another brazilian claiming the same thing, just like you.

No one sane has this discourse, even because to find a full portuguese descent brazilian is rare.

Despite it, a founder effect in Azores, and by consequence in Brazil, would be a possible scenario, but as said, to find a full portuguese descent brazilian is rare.

[Latinus]

Since exotic/swarthy Iberian/Italian phenotypes can be perceived as mixed in Latam context, it might give the impression that white latinos are lighter than their former metropolis.

It's all about context.

Anyone with dois dedos de testa can understand why some Brazilian/latinos might think that way.

[DraviXi99]

No one sane has this discourse, even because to find a full portuguese descent brazilian is rare.

Despite it, a founder effect in Azores, and by consequence in Brazil, would be a possible scenario, but as said, to find a full portuguese descent brazilian is rare.

To find a full portuguse brazilian is rare ? I bet there's more of lusos in brazil than in portugal (by number),what you're saying is kinda nonsensical,to be honest.

[Latinus]

To find a full portuguse brazilian is rare ? I bet there's more o lusos in brazil than i portugal (by number),what you're saying is kinda nonsensical,to be honest.

It's rare to find a fully colonial Brazilian of pure Portuguese bloodline.

But Brazilians of fully recent Portuguese ancestry, I don't think they are rare, they seem more common in RJ and SP.

[DraviXi99]

It's rare to find a fully colonial Brazilian of pure Portuguese bloodline.

But Brazilians of fully recent Portuguese ancestry, I don't think they are rare, they seem more common in RJ and SP.

How many of descendents you think there are of this recent portuguese immigration ? IMO,it makes no sense that there's less of whites of portuguese/iberian ancestry when compared to others,when the base of the country is iberian (specifically northern portuguese and galician).

[TwelveBoston]

Azoreans are indistinguishable from other portuguese, i can assure you some small foreign settlement from 500 years ago is diluted by now.

Joining in late on this, but you're exactly right. Too many people on here, reddit, etc. have made attempts to ostracize Azoreans from the mainland. They are regular Portuguese with funny accents lol. Portuguese people are one of the most homogenous ethnic groups in Europe, islands included- and all of the non-Euro admixture (NA, Jewish, SSA) are all present in varying degrees around much of Southern Europe and especially in Iberia. The only difference in Azoreans worth noting is the Flemish/Dutch/French influx, which, like you said is diluted by now.

Sorry for the tangent, but it's become a pet peeve of mine that insular Portuguese are branded as some kind of half-breeds. I mean, their SSA contribution is just as about the same as Portuguese in the North!

[FilhoV]

In the Azores, it’s completely over exaggerated the all of us are Portuguese by nationality and dna


The only groups you’ll see here that are non-Portuguese are Sephardic, and that’s going back centuries all that’s left is minor autosomal and their haplogroups

On PCA plots we are indistinguishable