What is your mental image of what WHG, ANE & EEF look like?

[Serif]

I am interested to see some opinions.

[Western Citizen]

WHG: Dark skinned brunn-type scot
EEF: Basically a wog from southern Europe
ANE: This is the most hard to imagine

[Marshall Theodore]

WHG: Paleo-Atlantid
EEF: Swarthy Gracile-Med.
ANE: Castizo from Latin America

[Monapps]

WHG:
https://www.ancestralwhispers.org/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancestral-whispers.fly.dev%2Fapi%2Ffiles%2Fb6eukb4cwkbw7b6%2 Fiuj3h4ryqn09h3a%2F1_la_brana_recon_20YKEVgaln.png&w=1920&q=75

EEF:
https://www.ancestralwhispers.org/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancestral-whispers.fly.dev%2Fapi%2Ffiles%2Fb6eukb4cwkbw7b6%2 Fr1hqqryb7r49m83%2F1_greek_neolithic_recon_GzEj6ow QTd.png&w=1920&q=75

ANE:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9zrOChXsAEXYmc?format=jpg&name=large

[Serif]

WHG:
https://www.ancestralwhispers.org/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancestral-whispers.fly.dev%2Fapi%2Ffiles%2Fb6eukb4cwkbw7b6%2 Fiuj3h4ryqn09h3a%2F1_la_brana_recon_20YKEVgaln.png&w=1920&q=75

EEF:
https://www.ancestralwhispers.org/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancestral-whispers.fly.dev%2Fapi%2Ffiles%2Fb6eukb4cwkbw7b6%2 Fr1hqqryb7r49m83%2F1_greek_neolithic_recon_GzEj6ow QTd.png&w=1920&q=75

ANE:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9zrOChXsAEXYmc?format=jpg&name=large

ANE just looks native american.

[SouthDutch7991]

I am interested to see some opinions.

ANE: light hair, light eyes, fair but tanned skin similar to some modern north asians. Wide faces with obvious mongoloid traits.
EEF: dark hair, brown eyes, fair skin. Tall, skinny heads with long faces and gracile features. You know the type, common in Lebanon, italy, etc.
WHG: Dark hair, blue eyes, quite olive-toned skin. Probably not charcoal black. You see some people like this, especially older people in more rural areas. I've seen some quite dark people who were entirely northern European before. I would expect face shape to be cro-magnon-esque

[Odelia]

Old extinct ''races'' that are absolutely irrelevant today because we mixed too much...I find it funny people still use them for classification and labelling. :picard1: What's more is that these ENFs, UFOs, FIFAs or whatever the hell they're called had their own phenotypes either way! That's why people hilariously use different morphs of them....!

[SouthDutch7991]

Old extinct ''races'' that are absolutely irrelevant today because we mixed too much...I find it funny people still use them for classification and labelling. :picard1: What's more is that these ENFs, UFOs, FIFAs or whatever the hell they're called had their own phenotypes either way! That's why people hilariously use different morphs of them....!

What's wrong with you?

[Odelia]

What's wrong with you?
I could say that about you. You're triggered over me disowning people from 5,000 years ago? Pfft :picard2:

[Serif]

WHG:
This guy who has all the traits of what WHG have.
https://i.imgur.com/oEhkVgI.jpg

Some others(All sardinians btw).
https://i.imgur.com/lG32J8a.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/T9tqaaH.jpg
There are a couple of famous and infamous people that I could gather that have similar traits to prove this is a peculiar component:
Far right commentator: Nick Fuentes, Youtuber: Onision, Musician: YungBlud, Politician: Che Guevara


ANE:

These two Udmurt guys with a specific boreal (akin to natives) phenotype especially the one on the right.
https://i.imgur.com/z2yd6G3.jpg

Who looks like the South American Native in the far back.
https://i.imgur.com/xUo4Kz1.png

Another example I can think of is this Udmurt individual who has similar characteristics to this other South American Native.
https://i.imgur.com/yTBqFpP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9LnSKNC.png
I refrain from using natives who look too close to East Asians, rather ones who display next no East Asian traits (slanted eyes) such as as the ones in south american and not the ones you see in north america.
EEF:
Can't go to far off with this one. Sardinians harbor about 80% EEF ancestry, As far as I know.
https://i.imgur.com/o4tT60N.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XMPmNpT.jpg

[Aila]

Here is another picture of Udmurts - who have most of the ANE dna among us Finno-Ugrians:

https://i.ibb.co/xCCbqjg/Udmurts-1.jpg

I thought the dark lady in the middle especially, looked rather South American – No?

[Serif]

Here is another picture of Udmurts - who have most of the ANE dna among us Finno-Ugrians:

https://i.ibb.co/xCCbqjg/Udmurts-1.jpg

I thought the dark lady in the middle especially, looked rather South American – No?

Pretty close, I'd say.

[PaganPoet]

Here is another picture of Udmurts - who have most of the ANE dna among us Finno-Ugrians:

https://i.ibb.co/xCCbqjg/Udmurts-1.jpg

I thought the dark lady in the middle especially, looked rather South American – No?

It is a blurry picture, I see no point in using those as they deform the features.

[Aila]

Pretty close, I'd say.

The picture looks like the one in the book, I got it from.
Put her and the 2 ladies to her left into a feathered headdresses and I think they could potentially pass.

I love this!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoVutuzlJS8

& I had been very interested to find out IF any of the old ANE culture had survived - ?

Loved it also, when Udmurts used to come to our town & we could re-enact the old myths together.

[SouthDutch7991]

I could say that about you. You're triggered over me disowning people from 5,000 years ago? Pfft :picard2:

I just don't understand the reaction. An interest in ancient populations, especially ones we descend from, is natural. And humans are visual creatures before anything else, so of course "what did they look like"? Is intriguing. The only person here making it weird is you. You really have a vitriolic personality.

[Petalpusher]

WHG: Paleo-Atlantid
EEF: Swarthy Gracile-Med.
ANE: Castizo from Latin America

Then the Danes landed from the sky?

Every groups that have been in Europe since the mesolithic were one of those 3 or a mixture of it (including IE, CHG, SHG and everything else)

So where is the trick...

[Donhueas]

Old extinct ''races'' that are absolutely irrelevant today because we mixed too much...I find it funny people still use them for classification and labelling. :picard1: What's more is that these ENFs, UFOs, FIFAs or whatever the hell they're called had their own phenotypes either way! That's why people hilariously use different morphs of them....!

https://i.ibb.co/Tk69WvW/Que-son-los-FIFA.jpg (https://ibb.co/drF8mWm)

[Donhueas]

Then the Danes landed from the sky?

Every groups that have been in Europe since the mesolithic were one of those 3 or a mixture of it (including IE, CHG, SHG and everything else)

So where is the trick...

Sexual selection? It is relatively possible to recreate a hallstatt with those phenotypes.

[Aila]

I just don't understand the reaction. An interest in ancient populations, especially ones we descend from, is natural. And humans are visual creatures before anything else, so of course "what did they look like"? Is intriguing. The only person here making it weird is you. You really have a vitriolic personality.

I’ll make it yet a little bit weirder to your ears.

What the ancient populations did look like, is of course interesting. But this rather obsessive visual focus on a person’s looks, phenotypes etc. is a rather new phenomenon. Or ‘western’ projection about how we all supposedly perceive.

It has been a long time since I read about our related Finno-Ugric peoples. However, if I remember correctly, it was Komi, who would not look at holy objects directly and the earliest accounts of Finno-Ugrics were, that because we did not look at a person directly, we had shifty eyes, and therefore we were rather suss people who shouldn't be trusted.

This pricked my ears when I read it, because among the first things I learned as a child, was to consider, sense, intuit, ‘read’ a person’s ‘energy-field’ (first) or as more important than the physical manifestation, appearance.

In other words we “see” first and then look, where as ‘westerners’ look first and then figure out what they had seen.

This perhaps stemmed from our animist culture, in which everything possesses spiritual essence, spirit energy which can be detected.

[SouthDutch7991]

I’ll make it yet a little bit weirder to your ears.

What the ancient populations did look like, is of course interesting. But this rather obsessive visual focus on a person’s looks, phenotypes etc. is a rather new phenomenon. Or ‘western’ projection about how we all supposedly perceive.

It has been a long time since I read about our related Finno-Ugric peoples. However, if I remember correctly, it was Komi, who would not look at holy objects directly and the earliest accounts of Finno-Ugrics were, that because we did not look at a person directly, we had shifty eyes, and therefore we were rather suss people who shouldn't be trusted.

This pricked my ears when I read it, because among the first things I learned as a child, was to consider, sense, intuit, ‘read’ a person’s ‘energy-field’ (first) or as more important than the physical manifestation, appearance.

In other words we “see” first and then look, where as ‘westerners’ look first and then figure out what they had seen.

This perhaps stemmed from our animist culture, in which everything possesses spiritual essence, spirit energy which can be detected.

That's some very interesting insight. I guess I was speaking more for myself, as I even identify objects visually before reading them, and am far quicker as a result.

[Odelia]

I just don't understand the reaction. An interest in ancient populations, especially ones we descend from, is natural. And humans are visual creatures before anything else, so of course "what did they look like"? Is intriguing. The only person here making it weird is you. You really have a vitriolic personality.
Your response is very emotional and arrogant! I'm not sure why you're so offended because you're not even the OP! :coffee: You're rarely here, so you missed out hard on the "what did they look like" threads because they're annoyingly everywhere. :picard1: But again, it's not about "what they looked like". It's about pigeon-boxing broad groups and painting them under the same brush! These ENFs and WHGs were diverse looking and were from 5000+ years ago. They were hardly noteworthy. What's more intriguing is maybe "what did ancient Egyptians look like" or something like that. An actual ethnic group that wasn't prehistoric. Making a debate about how these hunter gatherers looked like is fucking irrelevant, because they would've looked like anything! Now carry on with your emotional response...:picard2:

[Aila]

I absolutely love this picture, above all else I’ve seen.

Imo. the artist here so very well illustrates how 'we' (coming from the old shamanic, animist ways) perceive, "see" (everything in the Universe as Energy):

https://i.ibb.co/3Y60QTV/Uralic.jpg

[Aila]

What does a real aboriginal person look like?

Well – from a 360 degree (energy-field) view he/she expresses his/her culture with everything he/she IS:
https://i.ibb.co/XVS9ygp/lin-onus.jpg

The fake ones may look the same, but they are out there only promoting themselves, taking a lot of ‘selfies’ I suppose.
But because 'westerners' only rely on appearances - they have no clue whether the person is connected to their culture or not.

It is the same with ‘pretendians’ dressed up as Amerind natives … met too many of those.

(Art by Lin Onus, who looks at 'aboriginality' from many different angles).

[SouthDutch7991]

They were hardly noteworthy.
They form most of the genetic backbone of modern europeans, just because they didn't have writing means nothing.

What's more intriguing is maybe "what did ancient Egyptians look like" or something like that. An actual ethnic group that wasn't prehistoric.
That's far less interesting because the answer is very simple. Ancient egyptians would have looked like modern day jordanians or syrians. Anyone that argues otherwise, in any direction, is probably retarded. Just like we know well enough that any ethnic groups from the last 4000 years most likely resemble their closest modern counterparts. It's way more interesting to read about prehistoric groups that we don't know as much about.

[Marshall Theodore]

WHG: Dark skinned brunn-type scot
EEF: Basically a wog from southern Europe
ANE: This is the most hard to imagine

Remember you also have wog farmer and castizo (ANE) ancestry, snow pommy.