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Beowulf
02-15-2023, 05:46 PM
Anyone can confirm me if this is accurate?? :p


https://i.postimg.cc/LshD0wqy/1f5ff87d622e2aa24793658e9110f233.jpg (https://postimg.cc/67JC8HfR)

Laredo
02-15-2023, 06:04 PM
Yes, Germanic ancestry In the British Isles Is highly overrated, they are mostly Celtic Britons. Mexico probably has more/deeper Spanish admixture than Germanic ancestry In England.

Ænglishman
02-15-2023, 06:29 PM
No, according to the newer max Planck study this is low. This is accurate to an older study done with an extremely limited sample set from 2016; however a newer study found higher admixture from both France and Germanic populations in the English. The Average is close to 47% higher in East Anglia and York lowest in Cornwall and Devonshire. The number for Wales seems about right if very slightly high.

Beowulf
02-15-2023, 06:39 PM
No, according to the newer max Planck study this is low. This is accurate to an older study done with an extremely limited sample set from 2016; however a newer study found higher admixture from both France and Germanic populations in the English. The Average is close to 47% higher in East Anglia and York lowest in Cornwall and Devonshire. The number for Wales seems about right if very slightly high.

what about West Middlands?

Ænglishman
02-15-2023, 06:51 PM
what about West Middlands?

I don't remember the exact numbers just the generalities, I remember that Devonshire brings down the average for the entirety of England and is basically just Welsh. The farther north and west the more Brittonic admixture was present the farther East the more Germanic and the closer to Kent and London the more French. I know Southeast England seems to be only around 25% Brittonic and is supposedly overwhelmingly French and Scandinavian according to the Planck institute. Yorkshire ended up being the most "Scandinavian like" part of England though because it has the lowest French admixture compared to Germanic admixture as a ratio ( for clarification areas that are more Germanic also appear to be more French admixed likely due to the same paths being easy to reach from the continent ).

Jingle Bell
02-15-2023, 07:07 PM
No, according to the newer max Planck study this is low. This is accurate to an older study done with an extremely limited sample set from 2016; however a newer study found higher admixture from both France and Germanic populations in the English. The Average is close to 47% higher in East Anglia and York lowest in Cornwall and Devonshire. The number for Wales seems about right if very slightly high.

DAMN, abt 50%??? that a lot
can u share the study pls? ;)

J. Ketch
02-15-2023, 07:22 PM
It's rubbish.

J. Ketch
02-15-2023, 08:45 PM
No, according to the newer max Planck study this is low. This is accurate to an older study done with an extremely limited sample set from 2016; however a newer study found higher admixture from both France and Germanic populations in the English. The Average is close to 47% higher in East Anglia and York lowest in Cornwall and Devonshire. The number for Wales seems about right if very slightly high.
It's not even based on the obsolete and inaccurate Schiffels paper from 2016, it's based on an AncestryDNA press release from the same time that equated Anglo-Saxon with their nebulous former British/Great Britain genetic category for some retarded reason.

The page was still on the ancestry site until recently, but was probably removed because it's such embarrassing bullshit (and propaganda), highlighted by the recent proper Anglo-Saxon study.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221219232921/https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-think

Germanic (CNE) percentages of British counties from the recent Max Planck paper
https://i.postimg.cc/3NqVmk3b/Screenshot-2023-01-13-at-11-24-33-AM.png

Ænglishman
02-15-2023, 08:47 PM
DAMN, abt 50%??? that a lot
can u share the study pls? ;)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2

Beowulf
02-15-2023, 08:53 PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2

thanks a lot i wanted to know more about the anglo saxon genes in West Middlands because most of my british ancestry is in there so i wanted to know more :)

Ænglishman
02-15-2023, 08:58 PM
thanks a lot i wanted to know more about the anglo saxon genes in West Middlands because most of my british ancestry is in there so i wanted to know more :)

You are welcome, may God bless you good sir; though you may wish to thank Creoda for this chart he has provided.

Beowulf
02-15-2023, 08:59 PM
It's not even based on the obsolete and inaccurate Schiffels paper from 2016, it's based on an AncestryDNA press release from the same time that equated Anglo-Saxon with their nebulous former British/Great Britain genetic category for some retarded reason.

The page was still on the ancestry site until recently, but was probably removed because it's such embarrassing bullshit (and propaganda), highlighted by the recent proper Anglo-Saxon study.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221219232921/https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-think

Germanic (CNE) percentages of British counties from the recent Max Planck paper
https://i.postimg.cc/3NqVmk3b/Screenshot-2023-01-13-at-11-24-33-AM.png

thanks a lot for this :)

Figaro
02-16-2023, 07:08 PM
More in the extreme southwest than Northumbria? Huh. There’s probably some conflating different late BA and early IA pops into “Germanic” here.