Which country Is whiter to you?

[Laredo]

And which you would rather live? a country like Mexico where the vast majority of the population Is at least 50% European genetically with a minority 5-15% 75/80%+ Euro people.

Or

A country like South Africa where It has around pure anglo/Dutch descends 5/15% and rest of the population pure black

[Laredo]

Bump

[Latinus]

Mexico has more whites, but South African whites are more Euro (95% Euro on average) and Nordid looking, which might give the impression that South Africa is whiter than Mexico.

I would prefer to live in Mexico, it's food, culture attracts me more, and I would feel more at home than in South Africa, which I don't think share many cultural customs/habits with Brazil.

[Mortimer]

Southafrica during Apartheid was a White country to me, because it was founded by whites, whites were the ruling elite, everything was for whites, but now it is a black country with a white minority to me.

I dont know about Mexico, never thought of it really as white country, but it was founded by spaniards so maybe it is a white country in its foundation. But the line is not that clear in mexico who the whites are, that they mix with eatch other, and rule the mestizos and indios like it was in Southafrica that why southafrica was a white country, because whites owned everything, they made apartheid etc. I do not think whites do that in mexico.

[Tauromachos]

The whites in South Africa are of Burish,Dutch ancestry mostly whereas in Mexico they are Iberian.

Mexico should have much more mixed race people because the separation between whites and non white was not as strong
as in South Africa under Apartheid.

[Johnny V]

:rolleyes:

[Marshall Theodore]

South Africa.

[reboun]

South Africa

[DraviXi99]

Mexico has more whites, but South African whites are more Euro (95% Euro on average) and Nordid looking, which might give the impression that South Africa is whiter than Mexico.

I would prefer to live in Mexico, it's food, culture attracts me more, and I would feel more at home than in South Africa, which I don't think share many cultural customs/habits with Brazil.

I don't know if mexico has more whites than south africa,and brazilians don't have too much in common with hispanic culture so stop lying with this "feel at home" thing (nothing against mexico or hispanics in general).

[DraviXi99]

The whites in South Africa are of Burish,Dutch ancestry mostly whereas in Mexico they are Iberian.

Mexico should have much more mixed race people because the separation between whites and non white was not as strong
as in South Africa under Apartheid.

Burish.

[sean]

South Africa.

Mexico is majority brown, most Whites in South Africa look pretty White/European. Even many self-described White Argentinians, Cubans, and South Brazilians have the same racially ambiguous phenotype as mestizos.

South Africans:

https://imgur.com/0t8v48p.gif

South Brazilians:

https://imgur.com/yCEMM6A.gif

[Mortimer]

South Africa.

Mexico is majority brown, most Whites in South Africa look pretty White/European. Even many self-described White Argentinians, Cubans, and South Brazilians have the same racially ambiguous phenotype as mestizos.



The Whites in Southafrica are no doubtetly white, proper white, but as country it is not white anymore to me, it is now black, a black country. Just like china might have a few germans, but is not a white country. People maybe do not realise that because historically southafrica under apartheid was a white country, maybe thats why people think it is still a white country. Whites are minority in a black country.

[Tauromachos]

The Whites in Southafrica are no doubtetly white, proper white, but as country it is not white anymore to me, it is now black, a black country. Just like china might have a few germans, but is not a white country. People maybe do not realise that because historically southafrica under apartheid was a white country, maybe thats why people think it is still a white country. Whites are minority in a black country.

Hello fanboy !

[Laredo]

The Whites in Southafrica are no doubtetly white, proper white, but as country it is not white anymore to me, it is now black, a black country. Just like china might have a few germans, but is not a white country. People maybe do not realise that because historically southafrica under apartheid was a white country, maybe thats why people think it is still a white country. Whites are minority in a black country.

S.A has never been a white country either he's just going based from their white minority elite. Also brown definition varies depending on who you ask but someone whos racially mixed with European it's not a brown person on my book.

Brown person to me Is an Indian, Amerindian, Bangladeshi, Nepal, Filipino etc.


This Mexican looks stereotypical and he's 53% White European (Including the Jewish admixture)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6rzYvhy1Ek

[Mortimer]

S.A has never been a white country either he's just going based from their white minority elite. Also brown definition varies depending on who you ask but someone whos racially mixed with European it's not a brown person on my book.

Brown person to me Is an Indian, Amerindian, Bangladeshi, Nepal, Filipino etc.


This Mexican looks stereotypical and he's 53% White European (Including the Jewish admixture)



Ok but I think brown can also mean Mullato especially Mullato, Bangladeshi, Indian etc. that maybe. A Amerindian wouldnt be rather "red"? Historically the Europeans didnt call them "brown" but "red"? "Red Indians"?

[Laredo]

Ok but I think brown can also mean Mullato especially Mullato, Bangladeshi, Indian etc. that maybe. A Amerindian wouldnt be rather "red"? Historically the Europeans didnt call them "brown" but "red"? "Red Indians"?

Yes mulattoes are brown but a true brown person to my definition it's not someone mixed with white Filipinos are perfectly brown people.

[Mortimer]

Yes mulattoes are brown but a true brown person to my definition it's not someone mixed with white Filipinos are perfectly brown people.

Ok. Depends on the definition, also there are lots of different shades of brown, like very light brown, and very dark brown and everything inbetween etc. I mean literally, and then you have the racial element that someone who is tanned and therefore brown but european is not brown racially but white, i think arnold schwarzenegger is brown very light brown but maybe he can tann a bit more too

[Laredo]

Ok. Depends on the definition, also there are lots of different shades of brown, like very light brown, and very dark brown and everything inbetween etc. I mean literally, and then you have the racial element that someone who is tanned and therefore brown but european is not brown racially but white, i think arnold schwarzenegger is brown very light brown but maybe he can tann a bit more too

Well everyone Is entitled to their opinion a very blonde Ashkenazi Jew might see a dark Portuguese as a dark inferior being, while the Portuguese might see the light Jew as white everyone has a different perspective of how they see race.

I personally don't consider myself brown but neither white but I do consider myself both.

[Mortimer]

Well everyone Is entitled to their opinion a very blonde Ashkenazi Jew might see a dark Portuguese as a dark inferior being, while the Portuguese might see the light Jew as white everyone has a different perspective of how they see race.

I personally don't consider myself brown but neither white but I do consider myself both.

You are entitled to your opinion. I think "brown" is a bit vague, Im not sure if i should identify as brown, because brown is not specific, i mean it doesnt say whether im a gypsy or a filipino right? So Im not sure, but if i had to with a color, that every race is described a color i would say "brown" maybe even "black" because in slavic countries gypsies are "black" not "brown". In common people terminology gypsies are "black".

[Mortimer]

Hello fanboy !

Why do you say "Hello fanboy". What does that mean now? What is that going to tell me or the others? I really do not get it.

[Tauromachos]

Why do you say "Hello fanboy". What does that mean now? What is that going to tell me or the others? I really do not get it.

Ok bro was a misunderstanding we settled it now everything cool.

[DraviXi99]

South Africa.

Mexico is majority brown, most Whites in South Africa look pretty White/European. Even many self-described White Argentinians, Cubans, and South Brazilians have the same racially ambiguous phenotype as mestizos.

South Africans:

https://imgur.com/0t8v48p.gif

South Brazilians:

https://imgur.com/yCEMM6A.gif

Edited.

[DraviXi99]

S.A has never been a white country either he's just going based from their white minority elite. Also brown definition varies depending on who you ask but someone whos racially mixed with European it's not a brown person on my book.

Brown person to me Is an Indian, Amerindian, Bangladeshi, Nepal, Filipino etc.


This Mexican looks stereotypical and he's 53% White European (Including the Jewish admixture)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6rzYvhy1Ek

That makes no sense,how are mestizos not brown ?

[Sacrificed Ram]

Most of my black ancestry is mozambican, related with south african Bantu, I would be very happy in South Africa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXQoGxQXgAIva0n.jpg

[Jingle Bell]

Mexico, im not really a big Bantu fan, i prefer Sudaneses to their cultural proximity to mey region, and despite my region its very isolated culturally speaking i feel closer to others Laations rather to Africans or some Euros idk
also Mexican food looks good so

[Laredo]

That makes no sense,how are mestizos not brown ?

Most mexicans don't even see themselves as true browns, we say we are "Cafe con leche" milk with coffee Implying we are actually both.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Mexico, im not really a big Bantu fan, i prefer Sudaneses to their cultural proximity to mey region, and despite my region its very isolated culturally speaking i feel closer to others Laations rather to Africans or some Euros idk
also Mexican food looks good so

Here in Minas Gerais sudanis were famous due their capability to islamize other blacks. Many jihads occurred in Minas Gerais due Hausas islamizing other blacks. In Bahia occurred the "Male Revolt", of islamized yorubas, but the leaders I think were hausa-fulani.

Bantus are famous because of their sweetness, despite they were very close genetically and linguistically to fulanis...

[Incal]

Really tough... normally when I choose a country to live or move to the most important thing I consider is criminality. A couple of years ago I'd've said Mexico but right now they have the most violent government in its whole history and South Africa, well... I'd probably choose Mexico and move to the border with Belize.

[Laredo]

Really tough... normally when I choose a country to live or move to the most important thing I consider is criminality. A couple of years ago I'd've said Mexico but right now they have the most violent government in its whole history and South Africa, well... I'd probably choose Mexico and move to the border with Belize.

Some Mexican states are very safe even for "third world" standards like the Peninsula de Yucatan, Quintana roo and the bajio/western Mexican state Aguascalientes.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

I'd die of skin cancer in both countries anyway, but if I really had to choose, then South Africa cause Buren naturally are much closer culturally and lookwise to me than Spaniards. Afrikaans would also be easier to learn for me than Spanish.

[DraviXi99]

Most mexicans don't even see themselves as true browns, we say we are "Cafe con leche" milk with coffee Implying we are actually both.

Well,but that's literally what "brown" means,coffe (dark) + milk (light) = brown,unless you are referring to another thing that i didn't notice.

[Laredo]

Well,but that's literally what "brown" means,coffe (dark) + milk (light) = brown,unless you are referring to another thing that i didn't notice.

That would be more like "moreno claro" which indeed applies a combination of white and dark or brown, but apart from stereotypes most mexicans are on the skin spectrum.

We also use prieto which refers to dark skin like very very dark usually people mexicans who are predominantly Amerindian I believe there's a Brazilian similar term Preto which has the same definition we use but instead of Amerindian black right?

[DraviXi99]

That would be more like "moreno claro" which indeed applies a combination of white and dark or brown, but apart from stereotypes most mexicans are on the skin spectrum.

We also use prieto which refers to dark skin like very very dark usually people mexicans who are predominantly Amerindian I believe there's a Brazilian similar term Preto which has the same definition we use but instead of Amerindian black right?

Yes,we usually say "preto",how common is this "very very dark" type of skin tone among mexicans ? are there any mostly Sub saharan african - admixed mexican ?

[Laredo]

Yes,we usually say "preto",how common is this "very very dark" type of skin tone among mexicans ? are there any mostly Sub saharan african - admixed mexican ?

This Is prieto.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWbU1fLwPgEdIJ88M-IW9X9TOH7bGKmq42PQ&usqp=CAU

Moreno claro

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXutCp2JTvo0Figy1a0F0ZTCxIfPgcu MqHEA&usqp=CAU


Blanco

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDgKdQhU0RQ4toBJCeb9IaIc36EV4Ef u96xA&usqp=CAU

[DraviXi99]

This Is prieto.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWbU1fLwPgEdIJ88M-IW9X9TOH7bGKmq42PQ&usqp=CAU

Moreno claro

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXutCp2JTvo0Figy1a0F0ZTCxIfPgcu MqHEA&usqp=CAU


Blanco

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDgKdQhU0RQ4toBJCeb9IaIc36EV4Ef u96xA&usqp=CAU

How common is the last one,in general terms ? How many of them there are and where ? My bet is the north of mexico.

[Laredo]

How common is the last one,in general terms ? How many of them there are and where ? My bet is the north of mexico.

The last girl maybe 15/20% of mex population, all over Mexico mostly North and all Central.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Whites in Southafrica are no doubtetly white, proper white,

"Whites" in Southafrica have 5% real black blood. So yes, they are questionable whites.

[ecptr]

"Whites" in Southafrica have 5% real black blood. So yes, they are questionable whites.

They look the same as native Dutch from the Netherlands.

[Cristiano viejo]

They look the same as native Dutch from the Netherlands.
That only would mean 5% SSA does not affect phenotypes, but in any case if they look the same is irrelevant.

[DraviXi99]

That only would mean 5% SSA does not affect phenotypes, but in any case if they look the same is irrelevant.

Your point is...?

[Ruggery]

South Africa.

Mexico is majority brown, most Whites in South Africa look pretty White/European. Even many self-described White Argentinians, Cubans, and South Brazilians have the same racially ambiguous phenotype as mestizos.

South Africans:

https://imgur.com/0t8v48p.gif

South Brazilians:

https://imgur.com/yCEMM6A.gif

To Sean white South Africans would look whiter than even southern Europeans.

[Cristiano viejo]

Your point is...?

That "white" Southafricans are not really white.

[Incal]

To Sean white South Africans would look whiter than even southern Europeans.

As I've been saying all these years. To anglos "white" is a different concept than the one you have, that's why I consider it a useless term.

[Mortimer]

"Whites" in Southafrica have 5% real black blood. So yes, they are questionable whites.

Do you have any link or evidence for that? Do you think ALL of them have 5%? Do you think some have 1% or 0% do ALL have 5% and why 5% and not 2% (Loki is 2%) where did you read that?

[Cristiano viejo]

Do you have any link or evidence for that? Do you think ALL of them have 5%? Do you think some have 1% or 0% do ALL have 5% and why 5% and not 2% (Loki is 2%) where did you read that?

Obviously not all of them have 5%, that is the average. They also score some Asian

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?263911-Afrikaner-Gedmatch
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ei1foy/south_african_afrikaans_afrikaner_dna_results/
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/birs16/results_from_a_white_afrikaans_south_african/

[Monapps]

To Sean white South Africans would look whiter than even southern Europeans.

Because White South Africans are of Dutch and English ancestry.

[Monapps]

That "white" Southafricans are not really white.

What's the threshold of SSA admixture to no longer be considered White?

[Monapps]

As I've been saying all these years. To anglos "white" is a different concept than the one you have, that's why I consider it a useless term.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1533/48/1533487920347.jpg

[Laredo]

What's the threshold of SSA admixture to no longer be considered White?

Well white southern Africans are even whiter than the whitest nations on Latin America such as Uruguay 79/80% followed by Argentina 70/75%

[Incal]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1533/48/1533487920347.jpg

Exactly. That's what "white" means to anglos.

[Western Citizen]

To Sean white South Africans would look whiter than even southern Europeans.

It's logical. How can you even contemplate the possibility to consider more white or more european any southern wog than a Boer?

[Marshall Theodore]

It's logical.

Its not.

[DraviXi99]

Because White South Africans are of Dutch and English ancestry.

And french,and german.

[DraviXi99]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1533/48/1533487920347.jpg

It's true that anglos are usually really ignorant about race,but this quote happened hundreds of years ago,Ben Franklin didn't have as much information as people today do,he thought that a tan meant a white was "less white".

[Cristiano viejo]

It's true that anglos are usually really ignorant about race,but this quote happened hundreds of years ago,Ben Franklin didn't have as much information as people today do,he thought that a tan meant a white was "less white".
The key is Anglos being really ignorant :D


What's the threshold of SSA admixture to no longer be considered White?
What you want, of course :rolleyes:

[Ruggery]

It's logical. How can you even contemplate the possibility to consider more white or more european any southern wog than a Boer?

Very easy because southern Europe is still part of Europe unless you consider France below as another continent.

[Ruggery]

Because White South Africans are of Dutch and English ancestry.

Well then those white South Africans look whiter than half of Europe.

[Ruggery]

Exactly. That's what "white" means to anglos.

For that ignoramus, a people like the Germans were not white, so what race are they?
https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/4ab7198b-0001-0004-0000-000000715619_w996_r1.778_fpx33_fpy50.jpg

[Mortimer]

Obviously not all of them have 5%, that is the average. They also score some Asian

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?263911-Afrikaner-Gedmatch
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ei1foy/south_african_afrikaans_afrikaner_dna_results/
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/birs16/results_from_a_white_afrikaans_south_african/

The Asian is 1.4% not much different then any other European Population, it is in "noise range" or average one percent of europeans. The SSA is only 3%, that might be 1-2% more then average for nothern europe, but that is indeed very small I wouldnt really call them SSA admixed or non-white.

[Incal]

For that ignoramus, a people like the Germans were not white, so what race are they?
https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/4ab7198b-0001-0004-0000-000000715619_w996_r1.778_fpx33_fpy50.jpg

Anglos tend to respect and even submit to people who promote racial supremacy so when Nazi Germany rose they instantly fell in love.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Asian is 1.4% not much different then any other European Population, it is in "noise range" or average one percent of europeans. The SSA is only 3%, that might be 1-2% more then average for nothern europe, but that is indeed very small I wouldnt really call them SSA admixed or non-white.

In 23andme Afrikaners are 2% SSA. In deepest calculators their SSA is higher.

And no, their Asian is not noise neither, it is real.

All this non white ancestry is recent, by the way.

[Ruggery]

Anglos tend to respect and even submit to people who promote racial supremacy so when Nazi Germany rose they instantly fell in love.

They fell so much in love that Hitler offered them to be allies and they turned him down.
On the contrary, they declared war on it, the only Anglos who felt sympathy for Nazi Germany were racist groups like the KKK, but from then on they began to be a minority.

[Blazhe]

Mexico has a larger population of people with European ancestry than South Africa.

Mexico has a long history of colonization by Spain, which brought a significant number of Europeans to the region beginning in the 16th century. Over time, these European colonizers intermarried with the indigenous populations of Mexico, leading to the development of a mixed-race population known as mestizos. Today, Mexicans of European ancestry make up a significant proportion of the country's population, estimated to be around 47% of the total population.

In contrast, South Africa has a much smaller population of people with European ancestry. While Europeans first arrived in South Africa in the 17th century, the population remained relatively small until the 19th century, when the British colonized the region and brought large numbers of settlers with them. Today, people of European ancestry make up approximately 9% of the total population of South Africa.

It is important to note, however, that population estimates based on ancestry can be complex and contested, and there is significant diversity within and between populations in terms of genetic and cultural heritage. Additionally, many people in both Mexico and South Africa identify with multiple ancestries, reflecting the complex history and cultural heritage of these regions.

[Incal]

They fell so much in love that Hitler offered them to be allies and they turned him down.
On the contrary, they declared war on it, the only Anglos who felt sympathy for Nazi Germany were racist groups like the KKK, but from then on they began to be a minority.

Money talks. But they always sympathized with their supremacist ideologies, even to these days.

[DraviXi99]

Mexico has a larger population of people with European ancestry than South Africa.

Mexico has a long history of colonization by Spain, which brought a significant number of Europeans to the region beginning in the 16th century. Over time, these European colonizers intermarried with the indigenous populations of Mexico, leading to the development of a mixed-race population known as mestizos. Today, Mexicans of European ancestry make up a significant proportion of the country's population, estimated to be around 47% of the total population.

In contrast, South Africa has a much smaller population of people with European ancestry. While Europeans first arrived in South Africa in the 17th century, the population remained relatively small until the 19th century, when the British colonized the region and brought large numbers of settlers with them. Today, people of European ancestry make up approximately 9% of the total population of South Africa.

It is important to note, however, that population estimates based on ancestry can be complex and contested, and there is significant diversity within and between populations in terms of genetic and cultural heritage. Additionally, many people in both Mexico and South Africa identify with multiple ancestries, reflecting the complex history and cultural heritage of these regions.

What do you mean by "mexicans of european descent" ? Even someone who's only 1% european is still "european - descent".

[Blazhe]

What do you mean by "mexicans of european descent" ? Even someone who's only 1% european is still "european - descent".

When referring to "Mexicans of European descent", it generally means individuals who have ancestry that can be traced back to Europe, typically from countries such as Spain, Italy, Germany, France, or other European nations. This ancestry may be recent or may date back several generations. It is important to note that the term "European descent" can be used to describe individuals with varying degrees of European ancestry, and that ancestry is a complex and multifaceted concept that can be difficult to quantify. Some people may have only a small percentage of European ancestry, while others may have a more significant proportion. Ultimately, the concept of ancestry is fluid and can be influenced by factors such as culture, geography, and personal identity.

[DraviXi99]

When referring to "Mexicans of European descent", it generally means individuals who have ancestry that can be traced back to Europe, typically from countries such as Spain, Italy, Germany, France, or other European nations. This ancestry may be recent or may date back several generations. It is important to note that the term "European descent" can be used to describe individuals with varying degrees of European ancestry, and that ancestry is a complex and multifaceted concept that can be difficult to quantify. Some people may have only a small percentage of European ancestry, while others may have a more significant proportion. Ultimately, the concept of ancestry is fluid and can be influenced by factors such as culture, geography, and personal identity.

It's still weird,i only take that in account when the person is of that ethnicity,not just "partly",unless you are differentiating mestizos/harnizos from amerindians

[Mortimer]

In 23andme Afrikaners are 2% SSA. In deepest calculators their SSA is higher.

And no, their Asian is not noise neither, it is real.

All this non white ancestry is recent, by the way.

Even if it is "real" it is not different then what is not "real" because I saw many native English results with 1-2% "asian" and Spaniards have more non-white dna, even if it is not "real" to you.
It is very small really, you have written this https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370607-Do-you-think-people-who-pass-as-native-europeans-but-are-mixed-are-white&p=7671620&viewfull=1#post7671620
That Castizos fit absolutely in Spain. I think that White Latinos have more non-white DNA on AVERAGE then white southafricans, they are like 80-98% white, Southafricans are 95-98% white. So on average certainly white latinos are less white even genetically. You would not say that about them. That is because they are iberian stock, and southafricans are dutch and english. Right? You are one anti-british

[Cristiano viejo]

Even if it is "real" it is not different then what is not "real" because I saw many native English results with 1-2% "asian" and Spaniards have more non-white dna, even if it is not "real" to you.
It is very small really, you have written this https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370607-Do-you-think-people-who-pass-as-native-europeans-but-are-mixed-are-white&p=7671620&viewfull=1#post7671620
That Castizos fit absolutely in Spain. I think that White Latinos have more non-white DNA on AVERAGE then white southafricans, they are like 80-98% white, Southafricans are 95-98% white. So on average certainly white latinos are less white even genetically. You would not say that about them. That is because they are iberian stock, and southafricans are dutch and english. Right? You are one anti-british
I am anti-British, of course, since I am a Spaniard.

Not all castizos fit in Spain. You are calling castizos to people who genetically and phenotypically are non white while I only was referring to people who phenotypically look white, and in any case I am not saying Afrikaners, even with their non white blood, could not be assimilable and fit too.

Like you or not, Spaniards are very white genetically.

[DraviXi99]

Even if it is "real" it is not different then what is not "real" because I saw many native English results with 1-2% "asian" and Spaniards have more non-white dna, even if it is not "real" to you.
It is very small really, you have written this https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370607-Do-you-think-people-who-pass-as-native-europeans-but-are-mixed-are-white&p=7671620&viewfull=1#post7671620
That Castizos fit absolutely in Spain. I think that White Latinos have more non-white DNA on AVERAGE then white southafricans, they are like 80-98% white, Southafricans are 95-98% white. So on average certainly white latinos are less white even genetically. You would not say that about them. That is because they are iberian stock, and southafricans are dutch and english. Right? You are one anti-british

Brits and iberians are the group the have the least of non - european heritage.

[DraviXi99]

Even if it is "real" it is not different then what is not "real" because I saw many native English results with 1-2% "asian" and Spaniards have more non-white dna, even if it is not "real" to you.
It is very small really, you have written this https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370607-Do-you-think-people-who-pass-as-native-europeans-but-are-mixed-are-white&p=7671620&viewfull=1#post7671620
That Castizos fit absolutely in Spain. I think that White Latinos have more non-white DNA on AVERAGE then white southafricans, they are like 80-98% white, Southafricans are 95-98% white. So on average certainly white latinos are less white even genetically. You would not say that about them. That is because they are iberian stock, and southafricans are dutch and english. Right? You are one anti-british

Your post would work the same with Sean.

[Damião de Góis]

Well everyone Is entitled to their opinion a very blonde Ashkenazi Jew might see a dark Portuguese as a dark inferior being, while the Portuguese might see the light Jew as white everyone has a different perspective of how they see race.

I personally don't consider myself brown but neither white but I do consider myself both.

What the...?

[billErobreren]

For what it's worth, I wouldn't be caught dead in either country, but it's Mexico. South African whites, make up what? 10% of the population at most? Their immigrants aren't getting any whiter, they're largely Zimbabwean. Not gonna pick South African for mere cosmetic reasons. Relate to the Afrikaner fine and all, their country was pretty nice and prosperous for a while, but that doesn't make South Africa a white country. Neither of these countries is, but one clearly absorbed European influence way more.

[Ruggery]

Brits and iberians are the group the have the least of non - european heritage.

France/Belgium too

[Ruggery]

For what it's worth, I wouldn't be caught dead in either country, but it's Mexico. South African whites, make up what? 10% of the population at most? Their immigrants aren't getting any whiter, they're largely Zimbabwean. Not gonna pick South African for mere cosmetic reasons. Relate to the Afrikaner fine and all, their country was pretty nice and prosperous for a while, but that doesn't make South Africa a white country. Neither of these countries is, but one clearly absorbed European influence way more.

In Africa Rhodesia have many whites than South Africa

[billErobreren]

In Africa Rhodesia have many whites than South Africa

Oh, and Rhodesia doesn't exist anymore. They either fled to SA or went to Britain decades ago. We're looking at Zimbabwe now. There's no Sub Saharan country that can be called more "white" or "western" than any Latin American country today, full stop. People need to get a clue.

[Ruggery]

Oh, and Rhodesia doesn't exist anymore. They either fled to SA or went to Britain decades ago. We're looking at Zimbabwe now. There's no Sub Saharan country that can be called more "white" or "western" than any Latin American country today, full stop. People need to get a clue.

In Africa whites are a minority even more than in Latin America.

[billErobreren]

In Africa whites are a minority even more than in Latin America.

They barely exist in the grand scheme of things. The only place where they are significant is South Africa, not Namibia, Nigeria or what have you, because all of these places were colonies at some point.
South Africa was also a refuge for Portuguese that left with nothing but the clothes on their back from Angola, just as well as Rhodesians, if they couldn't book it to European country fast enough, they made their way to South Africa and they're still under 10%, because other Sub Saharan nationals kept pouring in too. Their reasons for picking them were just cosmetic with no true regard for the place, just "these Afrikaner are blonder than the average American white, by in large" which is true, but hardly an edge when their number within the country in question is so small.

[DraviXi99]

Oh, and Rhodesia doesn't exist anymore. They either fled to SA or went to Britain decades ago. We're looking at Zimbabwe now. There's no Sub Saharan country that can be called more "white" or "western" than any Latin American country today, full stop. People need to get a clue.

That's obvious that SA wouldn't be more white or western than latin america.

[billErobreren]

That's obvious that SA wouldn't be more white or western than latin america.

Well, Haiti, I guess. To be fair, it'll be brought up, but for the country in question there's no way. I can see why Americans picked SA, we get virtually no Mexican whites, at all, most whites living in Mexico are doing fine and have no reason to leave. We get barely literate laymen(largely mestizo) from there, that often have nothing to lose so they turn up and erroneously will pick white on our census like 90% of the time, so that skews our outlook a bit.

[Mortimer]

Your post would work the same with Sean.

I did said this to Sean, that Southafrica is not a white country, and that whites are a tiny minority in a black country, now im saying that the white southafricans are not non-white im not saying southafrica is a white country


The Whites in Southafrica are no doubtetly white, proper white, but as country it is not white anymore to me, it is now black, a black country. Just like china might have a few germans, but is not a white country. People maybe do not realise that because historically southafrica under apartheid was a white country, maybe thats why people think it is still a white country. Whites are minority in a black country.

[Mortimer]

Brits and iberians are the group the have the least of non - european heritage.

Is that a joke? Or trolling?

[Mortimer]

I am anti-British, of course, since I am a Spaniard.

Not all castizos fit in Spain. You are calling castizos to people who genetically and phenotypically are non white while I only was referring to people who phenotypically look white, and in any case I am not saying Afrikaners, even with their non white blood, could not be assimilable and fit too.

Like you or not, Spaniards are very white genetically.

I call castizos to people who are phenotypically white and 80+ european like you guys always define white ie alnortedelsur etc. "80+ white" But southafricans are 98% white now you claim they are white but not southafricans

[DraviXi99]

Is that a joke? Or trolling?

How would this be a joke or a troll post ?

[Mortimer]

How would this be a joke or a troll post ?

Because Spaniards have a huge chunk non-european ancestry (northafrican and it includes a little bit of SSA as well etc.) maybe lots of westasian too

[DraviXi99]

I call castizos to people who are phenotypically white and 80+ european like you guys always define white ie alnortedelsur etc. "80+ white" But southafricans are 98% white now you claim they are white but not southafricans

Alnortedosur says that people are only white if they are 85%+ white exactly because he's 85%/86% white.

[DraviXi99]

Because Spaniards have a huge chunk non-european ancestry (northafrican and it includes a little bit of SSA as well etc.) maybe lots of westasian too

They have nothing of west - asian,and that ssa is less than 1%,same for north african.

[Mortimer]

Alnortedosur says that people are only white if they are 85%+ white exactly because he's 85%/86% white.

Not only him, I saw many latinos saying the magical numbers "80+" white. Jingle Bell too and many others too. My impression is that is what they define as white, and what they are, some are maybe 100% white but really rare....

[DraviXi99]

Not only him, I saw many latinos saying the magical numbers "80+" white. Jingle Bell too and many others too. My impression is that is what they define as white, and what they are, some are maybe 100% white but really rare....

JingleBell is half white,alnortedelsur is 7/8,althought they believe basically in the same thing,i don't know if someone can be considered white just by being 3/£ white,if that was the case than people wouldn't fear the results of race mixing.

[Mortimer]

JingleBell is half white,alnortedelsur is 7/8,althought they believe basically in the same thing,i don't know if someone can be considered white just by being 3/£ white,if that was the case than people wouldn't fear the results of race mixing.

Do you consider yourself white?

Ethnicity
Kelti Hiberi - Italus Breasailian
Ancestry
Italian,Portuguese,Spanish,Greek,French,Syrian,SSA ,probabale German (Till Now)
Country
Brazil
Region
Sicily
Taxonomy
Schizopid + Delusionoid + Minor Hallucidid
Politics
Fascist - Eugenics - Social Darwinism - Patriarchalism - Racialism - Neo - Luddism

Ethnicity and Politics would suggest you consider yourself white? But under ancestry I see SSA and Syrian (but that is maybe white in brasil?)

[NSXD60]

Svet ≫ schvet ≫ tchwet ≫ *kweit = white ≫ hwite ≫ *kweit = Svetozar!

[Mortimer]

Svet ≫ schevt ≫ tchwet ≫ *kweit = white ≫ hwite ≫ *kweit = Svetozar!

Svet doesnt mean white, Svet can mean "light" but in the sense of sunlight what comes from the sun, not in the sense of white, svet can also mean world. Svet can also mean sacred/holy.... I guess that svetozar means something with "sacred"

[NSXD60]

Mort, claim your crown as the White (c)zar, the great grandson of duchess Anastasia of the Romanovs ≫ Romanis.

[robertb]

Mexico would probably be a much safer place for the average person. SA if you do not have money for home security and live in a secure area would not be very safe. A lot of whites take courses in car evasion because of high chances of car jacking, doesn't seem like a good life to me.

[Marshall Theodore]

Because Spaniards have a huge chunk non-european ancestry (northafrican and it includes a little bit of SSA as well etc.) maybe lots of westasian too

And do you think other europeans are "pure race", svetozar?

West Asian in Iberians are at the lowest level over all Southern Europe, also SSA are on noise level (0,69-1%), the paper which talks about this SSA percentages only refers to southern iberians.

[Mortimer]

And do you think other europeans are "pure race", svetozar?

West Asian in Iberians are at the lowest level over all Southern Europe, also SSA are on noise level (0,69-1%).

No that is not the point what I think but how CV contradicts himself im just pointing his flaws in his logic

[Marshall Theodore]

No that is not the point what I think but how CV contradicts himself im just pointing his flaws in his logic

CV doesnt understand a shit about genetics.

[Tauromachos]

And do you think other europeans are "pure race", svetozar?

West Asian in Iberians are at the lowest level over all Southern Europe, also SSA are on noise level (0,69-1%).

If Iberians have any significant West Asian it must be very ancient from the first waves of farmers who came into Europe
Iberia is fairly far off from West Asia geographically.

[Marshall Theodore]

If Iberians have any significant West Asian it must be very ancient from the first waves of farmers who came into Europe
Iberia is fairly far off from West Asia geographically.

North Italy is also far off from West Asia and shows higher noticiable amounts of WA compared to their Iberian and Southern French neighbors.

[Laredo]

Mexico would probably be a much safer place for the average person. SA if you do not have money for home security and live in a secure area would not be very safe. A lot of whites take courses in car evasion because of high chances of car jacking, doesn't seem like a good life to me.

The probably won't work In a country like S.A a country that has higher corruption index than Mexico. Calling the cops In a country with most likely they are going to be black will make you look racist, "hey there's a bunch of black folks trying to get In"

The chances of being your favor are low that's why many boars take justice with their proper hands.

[robertb]

The probably won't work In a country like S.A a country that has higher corruption index than Mexico. Calling the cops In a country with most likely they are going to be black will make you look racist, "hey there's a bunch of black folks trying to get In"

The chances of being your favor are low that's why many boars take justice with their proper hands.

A lot of wealthier people live in areas together and hire private security to patrol it plus have very high home security with safe rooms and weapons. They can't rely on the cops. Poor whites are just fucked.

[Cristiano viejo]

I call castizos to people who are phenotypically white and 80+ european like you guys always define white ie alnortedelsur etc. "80+ white" But southafricans are 98% white now you claim they are white but not southafricans
I never said alnortedelsur is white, I have said he looks lighter/whiter than 99% of the forum. Therefore, absolutely assimilable.

Are you jealous he looks white, behaves white and could assimilate (and in fact he does) into a white society, while you dont?


Because Spaniards have a huge chunk non-european ancestry (northafrican and it includes a little bit of SSA as well etc.) maybe lots of westasian too
hahaha

[Mortimer]

I never said alnortedelsur is white, I have said he looks lighter/whiter than 99% of the forum. Therefore, absolutely assimilable.

Are you jealous he looks white, behaves white and could assimilate (and in fact he does) into a white society, while you dont?


No that is not my point. I point out that you contradict yourself. You try to relate it to my person that im jealous, that is a ad hominem, when you are caught lying and trolling and being an idiot, not much is expected from you when you are caught, and saying he looks white acts white and is perfectably assimalable is the same as saying he is white, what is the difference? Would you assimilate non-whites into your population would you marry non-whites? Certainly not.

[Mortimer]

Are you jealous he looks white,

Also I would never be jealous someone looks white or is lighter then me, Im not you or Gallop to need a thread with light eyed countrymen when iberians are the population with the most dark eyes in europe according to every statistic.

[Mortimer]

hahaha

If we gave that laugh a voice or sound i would imagine now a hysterical neurotic laugh, like shortly before a mental breakdown and to cover your insecurities

[DraviXi99]

Do you consider yourself white?

Ethnicity
Kelti Hiberi - Italus Breasailian
Ancestry
Italian,Portuguese,Spanish,Greek,French,Syrian,SSA ,probabale German (Till Now)
Country
Brazil
Region
Sicily
Taxonomy
Schizopid + Delusionoid + Minor Hallucidid
Politics
Fascist - Eugenics - Social Darwinism - Patriarchalism - Racialism - Neo - Luddism

Ethnicity and Politics would suggest you consider yourself white? But under ancestry I see SSA and Syrian (but that is maybe white in brasil?)

I identify with being an italo - brazilian,because that is most of my ancestry,and because i look like it rather than any other thing,same for my parents that could pass in italy,so yes,i dentify as white and european,and my politics are those because my country is infested with scum that need to be purged,that's it.

[Mortimer]

I identify with being an italo - brazilian,because that is most of my ancestry,and because i look like it rather than any other thing,same for my parents that could pass in italy.

CV might call you "non-white but totally assimilable". If you are italian then i guess you are also white.

[Mortimer]

I identify with being an italo - brazilian,because that is most of my ancestry,and because i look like it rather than any other thing,same for my parents that could pass in italy,so yes,i dentify as white and european,and my politics are those because my country is infested with scum that need to be purged,that's it.

Do you mean predominantly ssa blacks? Or amerindians? Or who do you mean?

[DraviXi99]

Do you mean predominantly ssa blacks? Or amerindians? Or who do you mean?

I don't mean that africans and/or amerindians are SCUM,i mean moral and ethics (or the lack of it),also dysgenic people/low iq/lack of harmony,poverty and criminals that should be put down,all of that. All of this centered around the betterment of the population.

[Mortimer]

I don't mean that africans and/or amerindians are SCUM,i mean moral and ethics (or the lack of it),also dysgenic people/low iq/lack of harmony,poverty and criminals that should be put down,all of that. All of this centered around the betterment of the population.

I agree with that.

[Cristiano viejo]

No that is not my point. I point out that you contradict yourself. You try to relate it to my person that im jealous, that is a ad hominem, when you are caught lying and trolling and being an idiot, not much is expected from you when you are caught, and saying he looks white acts white and is perfectably assimalable is the same as saying he is white, what is the difference? Would you assimilate non-whites into your population would you marry non-whites? Certainly not.
Lying? in what? how?

No, not the same, he is not white genetically.
And yes, you are super jealous.


Also I would never be jealous someone looks white or is lighter then me,
hahaha


Im not you or Gallop to need a thread with light eyed countrymen when iberians are the population with the most dark eyes in europe according to every statistic.
hahaha

[DraviXi99]

Lying? in what? how?

No, not the same, he is not white genetically.
And yes, you are super jealous.

,
hahaha


hahaha

About Gallop,he's right,now about you...not at all.

[alnortedelsur]

Alnortedosur says that people are only white if they are 85%+ white exactly because he's 85%/86% white.

If I wanted to put a limit for my "convenience" of being counted as white, I would have put a lower limit (like 80% or less) to be more well into the white spectrum.

But not, I'm into the white spectrum, but just slightly above the limit between castizo (70-84% European) and white (85% Euro and above).

With that said, if I said 85% is the benchmark is based on the colonial Spanish caste system, not because I took it up my sleeve to fill the bill.

[Cristiano viejo]

If I wanted put a limit for my "convenience" of being counted as white, I would have put a lower limit (like 80% or less) to be more well into the white spectrum.

But not, I'm into the white spectrum, but just slightly above the limit between castizo (70-84% European) and white (85% Euro and above).

With that said, if I said 85% is the benchmark is based on the colonial Spanish caste system, not because I took it up my sleeve to fill the bill.Spanish caste system made not sense at all.

[alnortedelsur]

Also I would never be jealous someone looks white or is lighter then me, Im not you or Gallop to need a thread with light eyed countrymen when iberians are the population with the most dark eyes in europe according to every statistic.

Iberians aren't darker than Italians and Greeks, and haven't less incidence of light eyes compared to southern Italians and Greeks, but quite the opposite. Cut already with that shit.

[alnortedelsur]

Spanish caste system made not sense at all.

I think it had a lot of sense, based on proportionality, and much more common sense than the stupid Anglo one drop rule.

It put a very reasonable limit above which people could start being counted as white, that precisely coincides with the limit above which most people start looking reasonably passable as full Europeans.

[Cristiano viejo]

I think it had a lot of sense, based on proportionality, and much more common sense than the stupid Anglo one drop rule.

It put a very reasonable limit above which people could start being counted as white, that precisely coincides with the limit above which most people start looking reasonably passable as full Europeans.

Anglo one drop rule is equally stupid as has been shown that any European has non-European blood, but the Spanish caste system is hilarious too. An example:

De europeos en América - criollo
De español e india (indígena) - mestizo
De español con mestiza - castizo, castizo cuatralbo o cuarterón de mestizo
De castizo con española - español

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistema_de_castas_colonial

[alnortedelsur]

Anglo one drop rule is equally stupid as has been shown that any European has non-European blood, but the Spanish caste system is hilarious too. An example:

De europeos en América - criollo
De español e india (indígena) - mestizo
De español con mestiza - castizo, castizo cuatralbo o cuarterón de mestizo
De castizo con española - español

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistema_de_castas_colonial

My own case. My dad was castizo and my mom was Spanish xD

[Mortimer]

Iberians aren't darker than Italians and Greeks, and haven't less incidence of light eyes compared to southern Italians and Greeks, but quite the opposite. Cut already with that shit.

I did not even thought of greeks when i said that stop being aggressive

[DraviXi99]

Anglo one drop rule is equally stupid as has been shown that any European has non-European blood, but the Spanish caste system is hilarious too. An example:

De europeos en América - criollo
De español e india (indígena) - mestizo
De español con mestiza - castizo, castizo cuatralbo o cuarterón de mestizo
De castizo con española - español

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistema_de_castas_colonial

I thougth that you applied the one drop rule.

[Cristiano viejo]

I thougth that you applied the one drop rule.

Yes and no. I only consider Spanish to people who all their ancestors are Spanish, independently if we are 100% nigga by blood.

[Mafrense]

South Africa.

Mexico is majority brown, most Whites in South Africa look pretty White/European. Even many self-described White Argentinians, Cubans, and South Brazilians have the same racially ambiguous phenotype as mestizos.

South Africans:

https://imgur.com/0t8v48p.gif

South Brazilians:

https://imgur.com/yCEMM6A.gif

Lulz. Nobody claims that 100% or even 80% of South Brazilians are white, so showing random people in the streets is just dishonest.

[Cristiano viejo]

Lulz. Nobody claims that 100% or even 80% of South Brazilians are white, so showing random people in the streets is just dishonest.
Congratulations, you just knew the methods of Sean :laugh: