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Hektor12
02-27-2023, 05:58 PM
I require a "sane" approach for this. I believe we have people with good genetic knowledge around here.


Blonde Turks have Balkan and Slavic ancestry, just like Greeks.

Turks are a West Asian people with a gradient forming a triangle between the Aegean, the Iran-Caucasus and the Levant, with a minor East Asian element thrown in.

Acting like they have some sort of hidden blondism genes that make them look like West Euros (like the girl in the OP) is peak embarrassment.

placebo
02-27-2023, 06:05 PM
first, wtf is blondism gene?

second, this girl doesn't have any balkan or slavic influence on her genetic but she has blonde hair.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826588507582556/image.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826627653009438/image.png

idk they are trolling or serious. ok you don't want to see turkey in europe and we don't have any desire want to be a part of your fucking europe but lying is very embarrassing.

Beowulf
02-27-2023, 06:08 PM
Yes, turks can be blonde and still even having a western asian phenotype they share genes with us and perfectly they can be blonde.

Cristiano viejo
02-27-2023, 06:20 PM
Eupator is right. Blonde "Turks" are just Greeks living in Anatolia.

Hektor12
02-27-2023, 06:28 PM
Eupator is right. Blonde "Turks" are just Greeks living in Anatolia.

I was born blond (very light) and retained it until high school. Am i Greek?

placebo
02-27-2023, 06:29 PM
first, wtf is blondism gene?

second, this girl doesn't have any balkan or slavic influence on her genetic but she has blonde hair.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826588507582556/image.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826627653009438/image.png

idk they are trolling or serious. ok you don't want to see turkey in europe and we don't have any desire want to be a part of your fucking europe but lying is very embarrassing.

yeah she's greek. :D

her mongoloid is like 15-20% she's from giresun and giresun one of the places with the most central asian heritage.

Marshall Theodore
02-27-2023, 06:29 PM
I was born blond (very light) and retained it until high school. Am i Greek?

He is trolling.

Cristiano viejo
02-27-2023, 06:30 PM
I was born blond (very light) and retained it until high school. Am i Greek?

No, since you already are not blonde.

Cristiano viejo
02-27-2023, 06:31 PM
He is trolling.

No I am not. Greeks are obviously much lighter than Turks, and blondism there come from the first. Or do you think Gengis Khan was blonde?

Hektor12
02-27-2023, 06:32 PM
No, since you already are not blonde.

But there are people in my family still blonde in adulthood. And some gingers.

placebo
02-27-2023, 06:33 PM
No I am not. Greeks are obviously much lighter than Turks, and blondism there come from the first. Or do you think Gengis Khan was blonde?

what do you say to the girl whose result i shared above? is she also greek? she has tons of mongoloid gene. take your hate and get the fuck out of turkish topics.

AA_Excellence
02-27-2023, 06:39 PM
first, wtf is blondism gene?

second, this girl doesn't have any balkan or slavic influence on her genetic but she has blonde hair.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826588507582556/image.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826627653009438/image.png

idk they are trolling or serious. ok you don't want to see turkey in europe and we don't have any desire want to be a part of your fucking europe but lying is very embarrassing.

I hate to sound like a wet blanket, but 23andme does merge ancestries. Hence why you don’t see any Slavic dna pop up. From the Turkish samples(g25) that I’ve seen they all have early Slavic DNA.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b9e0b1ba3306e4697db9f5aa76d567e9

Incal
02-27-2023, 06:40 PM
Eupator is right. Blonde "Turks" are just Greeks living in Anatolia.

You are right again.

placebo
02-27-2023, 06:41 PM
I hate to sound like a wet blanket, but 23andme does merge ancestries. Hence why you don’t see any Slavic dna pop up. From the Turkish samples(g25) that I’ve seen they all have early Slavic DNA.

yeah but this minor thing as far as i know and they act like only blonde turks have this and the other not.

placebo
02-27-2023, 06:43 PM
You are right again.

you are a good troll. you really earned my respect with your this talent.

Latinus
02-27-2023, 07:28 PM
you are a good troll. you really earned my respect with your this talent.

And I don't think the pigmentation diference between Turks and Greeks are that drastic, obviously the latter, being Euro, has lighter types on average, but the bulk of the population from both countries is dark haired/eyed with a similar skintone.

Jingle Bell
02-27-2023, 07:43 PM
Turk can be Blonde? yes
But what is the point of that thread? there blonds in almost every part in th world, why would not have in Turkey?

Incal
02-27-2023, 08:28 PM
I hate to sound like a wet blanket, but 23andme does merge ancestries. Hence why you don’t see any Slavic dna pop up. From the Turkish samples(g25) that I’ve seen they all have early Slavic DNA.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b9e0b1ba3306e4697db9f5aa76d567e9

Ouch! You gonna hurt his feelings...




Turk can be Blonde? yes
But what is the point of that thread? there blonds in almost every part in th world, why would not have in Turkey?

The point is that turks here think they can convince someone they looked like this before leaving the steppe:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f2/00/29/f2002935caab0469a1fc6484df46582c.jpg

They just broke the OWD-o-meter

placebo
02-27-2023, 08:35 PM
Turk can be Blonde? yes
But what is the point of that thread? there blonds in almost every part in th world, why would not have in Turkey?

the point is that dumbs like incal act like only turks with balkan ancestor can have blonde hair.

even in above aa_excellence say all turks have minor early slavic dna. (he claim otherwise he claim only turkified slavs and balkanites can have blonde hair) and now he act like we claim central asians look like nordic or something. in other thread i already said turks are mixed and mixing beggining from central asia. he doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Blazhe
02-27-2023, 08:35 PM
The genetic basis of hair color is complex and influenced by multiple genes, as well as environmental factors. While it is true that certain populations in the Balkans and parts of Turkey have a higher frequency of blonde hair compared to other populations, the specific genetic factors underlying this variation are not fully understood.

Historically, the Balkans and parts of Turkey have been influenced by multiple migrations and interactions, including Slavic, Turkic, and other populations, which may have contributed to the genetic diversity and variation observed in these regions. However, it is important to note that physical appearance, including hair color, is a complex trait that cannot be attributed solely to a single genetic or historical factor.

Overall, it is important to recognize and respect the diversity within and across populations, and to avoid making assumptions or judgments based on physical appearance or perceived ancestry.

placebo
02-27-2023, 08:45 PM
Ouch! You gonna hurt his feelings...


are u blind? he said all turks have this. this disproves your theory.

but as i said before it's very minor thing as far as i know.

Hektor12
02-28-2023, 10:34 AM
The point is that turks here think they can convince someone they looked like this before leaving the steppe

In the first place, you should convince me why should i spend my life to convince a Peruvian.


They just broke the OWD-o-meter

https://media.tenor.com/l6bJHZCgNeoAAAAC/give-a-fuck-fuck.gif

Mortimer
02-28-2023, 10:38 AM
Turk is a nationality, ethno-cultural group, i dont think there is a pure turk race though, but there are blonde turks though obviously.

Mortimer
02-28-2023, 10:40 AM
There are probably many blonde turks, in some decades there might be more blonde turks maybe because they mix with ukranian refugees and russian expats etc.

Mortimer
02-28-2023, 10:43 AM
first, wtf is blondism gene?

second, this girl doesn't have any balkan or slavic influence on her genetic but she has blonde hair.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826588507582556/image.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669669383567573001/1079826627653009438/image.png

idk they are trolling or serious. ok you don't want to see turkey in europe and we don't have any desire want to be a part of your fucking europe but lying is very embarrassing.

I dont know how that really works, I mean Im not sure, but I could imagine that if there is a group of slavs in girusun western province of turkey who live there and they have similar dna as her, that she gets that. I dont know if it needs to mean she is not european at all, i mean it says girusun western province of turkey reference but could that mean that some live there who have originally slavic ancestry? Correct me if im wrong.

Hektor12
02-28-2023, 10:49 AM
some live there who have originally slavic ancestry?

Theres nothing Slavic in this girl's face. Literal nothing. Look at her eyes and her flat face, almost Japanese level. Turkish-Slavic mix would look like this=

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hImonaOmz7E/maxresdefault.jpg

Beowulf
02-28-2023, 10:49 AM
I dont know how that really works, I mean Im not sure, but I could imagine that if there is a group of slavs in girusun western province of turkey who live there and they have similar dna as her, that she gets that. I dont know if it needs to mean she is not european at all, i mean it says girusun western province of turkey reference but could that mean that some live there who have originally slavic ancestry? Correct me if im wrong.

well the turks have ancient north eurasian admixture who were the ones with the blonde hair gene


"Blonde hair originated among Ancient Northern Eurasians (ANE) in Russia about 18 000 years ago. These light skin, blonde hunter gatherers migrated into Europe long before the Indo-Europeans."

rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:11 AM
Turks have eef + steppe heritage. I don't see why they can't be blonde

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rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:13 AM
yeah she's greek. :D

her mongoloid is like 15-20% she's from giresun and giresun one of the places with the most central asian heritage.Is central Asian component completely mongoloid? Considering that original turkic people were mixed Caucasoid + mongoloid and even modern day central Asia is mixed

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rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:14 AM
No I am not. Greeks are obviously much lighter than Turks, and blondism there come from the first. Or do you think Gengis Khan was blonde?Steppe people have blonde genes. Turkic were mixed race Caucasoid plus mongoloid they get blonde genes from there

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Mortimer
02-28-2023, 11:14 AM
Theres nothing Slavic in this girl's face. Literal nothing. Look at her eyes and her flat face, almost Japanese level. Turkish-Slavic mix would look like this=



I think there are people in central asia similar to her, or in siberia, who are half russian. I dont see why she cant be, but im not claiming she is, just that is not impossible that she is. Also all these blonde blue eyed siberians in russia are much russian.

Beowulf
02-28-2023, 11:15 AM
Is central Asian component completely mongoloid? Considering that original turkic people were mixed Caucasoid + mongoloid and even modern day central Asia is mixed

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they have both caucasoid and mongoloid admixture

Mortimer
02-28-2023, 11:16 AM
well the turks have ancient north eurasian admixture who were the ones with the blonde hair gene


"Blonde hair originated among Ancient Northern Eurasians (ANE) in Russia about 18 000 years ago. These light skin, blonde hunter gatherers migrated into Europe long before the Indo-Europeans."

The people with the highest ANE are amerindians actually and they are seldom blonde if pure, what is the explanation?

rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:20 AM
I think there are people in central asia similar to her, or in siberia, who are half russian. I dont see why she cant be, but im not claiming she is, just that is not impossible that she is. Also all these blonde blue eyed siberians in russia are much russian.There is difference ethnic Russian or Russian citizen
You should slavic when talking about Russia
Caucasian finno ugric tatar are not slav. Russian have plenty of indigenous minority

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Mortimer
02-28-2023, 11:21 AM
There is difference ethnic Russian or Russian citizen
You should slavic when talking about Russia
Caucasian finno ugric tatar are not slav. Russian have plenty of indigenous minority

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You missed my point though. Just like many saamis are nowadays totally scando looking, similar to ugric minorities in russia.

rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:25 AM
The people with the highest ANE are amerindians actually and they are seldom blonde if pure, what is the explanation?Maybe ane who developed blonde genes didn't go to America. I mean ane people themselves are drivers


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Beowulf
02-28-2023, 11:25 AM
The people with the highest ANE are amerindians actually and they are seldom blonde if pure, what is the explanation?

They have high ANE but mixed with other genes that are very dominant like they have very high east asian genes too

but still there wer found some ancient native americans with blonde hair genes or red hair but is very very rare


https://i.postimg.cc/Dy10VNjX/main-qimg-db42647df3568120967ce9fa6ee5a511-lq.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:26 AM
You missed my point though. Just like many saamis are nowadays totally scando looking, similar to ugric minorities in russia.What about Caucasian minority? And finno ugric and tatar genetics are different from average Slavic Russian genetics

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Mortimer
02-28-2023, 11:28 AM
They have high ANE but mixed with other genes that are very dominant like they have very high east asian genes too

but still there wer found some ancient native americans with blonde hair genes or red hair but is very very rare


I mean in theory we could attribute blonde hair in turks to ANE, or to steppe, yes. I have no idea. Everything is possible, but that way i could get a group of norwegians posing as turks and saying they are pure turks they are ancient ane

Mortimer
02-28-2023, 11:29 AM
What about Caucasian minority? And finno ugric and tatar genetics are different from average Slavic Russian genetics

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I think it is not impossible that also caucasians have russian mixed in or some of them. I mean I just theorise i have no real knowledge but why would it be impossible? I think russia is a big mix of everything.

rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 11:38 AM
I think it is not impossible that also caucasians have russian mixed in or some of them. I mean I just theorise i have no real knowledge but why would it be impossible? I think russia is a big mix of everything.Most Caucasian in Russia are muslim and conservative they don't marry non Muslim.

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placebo
02-28-2023, 11:40 AM
Is central Asian component completely mongoloid? Considering that original turkic people were mixed Caucasoid + mongoloid and even modern day central Asia is mixed

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no? where did i say this? she is 15-16% east eurasian that makes she has 35-40% central asian oghuz heritage.

Beowulf
02-28-2023, 11:46 AM
I mean in theory we could attribute blonde hair in turks to ANE, or to steppe, yes. I have no idea. Everything is possible, but that way i could get a group of norwegians posing as turks and saying they are pure turks they are ancient ane

a turk with blonde hair would still have turkish facial features and be distant genetically to a scandinavian but turks have steppe ancestry and share old similar components with us that's why the similitudes

Target: Turkey
Distance: 1.3719% / 0.01371944
30.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
20.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.6 Han
5.6 Levant_PPNB
3.4 Nganassan
3.2 TUR_Barcin_N

those can be found in Europeans usually

Mortimer
02-28-2023, 12:03 PM
a turk with blonde hair would still have turkish facial features and be distant genetically to a scandinavian but turks have steppe ancestry and share old similar components with us that's why the similitudes

Target: Turkey
Distance: 1.3719% / 0.01371944
30.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
20.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.6 Han
5.6 Levant_PPNB
3.4 Nganassan
3.2 TUR_Barcin_N

those can be found in Europeans usually

That is why i mentioned amerindians with high ane or shared ancestry with europeans but they are not blonde if a turk looks northern european I would rather guess more recent european ancestry before ancient north euroasian

Beowulf
02-28-2023, 12:08 PM
That is why i mentioned amerindians with high ane or shared ancestry with europeans but they are not blonde if a turk looks northern european I would rather guess more recent european ancestry before ancient north euroasian

amerindians have high ANE, yes but also are high in East asian like admixture wich those have very dominant genes as i said before there were found blond genes in anceint native americans but is super rare bcs they have very dominant genes from East Asian like genes

placebo
02-28-2023, 12:09 PM
I dont know how that really works, I mean Im not sure, but I could imagine that if there is a group of slavs in girusun western province of turkey who live there and they have similar dna as her, that she gets that. I dont know if it needs to mean she is not european at all, i mean it says girusun western province of turkey reference but could that mean that some live there who have originally slavic ancestry? Correct me if im wrong.

no she doesn't have any slavic admixture. especially that part of turkey have zero euro-like admixture. if she has it would appears in this result and i also saw her gedmatch results, gedmatch is much more detailed and her result are typical for turkish even more mongoloid than other turks.

btw giresun is not in western turkey. they mean western side of giresun. giresun located in northeastern anatolia.

Mejgusu
02-28-2023, 12:41 PM
Light hair distribution of Turkish people increases where Balkan Turks are numerous. On the other hand, blondism doesn’t necessarily comes from Balkan or Europe, but neither from Turks from Central Asia. It is probably a pre Turkic heritage, NE-Turkish Laz people with no European nor Turkish genetic admixture are the lightest people in Turkey, also a lot of Lebanese and Syrians (no, they don’t have crusader ancestry) can look „European“. So he isn’t wrong.

HelloGuys
02-28-2023, 12:52 PM
amerindians have high ANE, yes but also are high in East asian like admixture wich those have very dominant genes as i said before there were found blond genes in anceint native americans but is super rare bcs they have very dominant genes from East Asian like genes

It seems the first one who had genes for blond hair was Afontova Gora 3, around 4000 years later than Mal'ta boy (The ANE source of Amerindians) so amerindians wouldn't have that blond hair genes.

placebo
02-28-2023, 01:32 PM
Light hair distribution of Turkish people increases where Balkan Turks are numerous. On the other hand, blondism doesn’t necessarily comes from Balkan or Europe, but neither from Turks from Central Asia. It is probably a pre Turkic heritage, NE-Turkish Laz people with no European nor Turkish genetic admixture are the lightest people in Turkey, also a lot of Lebanese and Syrians (no, they don’t have crusader ancestry) can look „European“. So he isn’t wrong.

this. and he is wrong i said exactly what u said in other thread but they still act like all blonde turks have balkan or slavic ancestor or they are turkified.

i'm trying to explain this in two threads, but they still don't understand what i said neither incal nor eupator.

turbosat
02-28-2023, 02:05 PM
Most Caucasian in Russia are muslim and conservative they don't marry non Muslim.

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Religious conservatives weren't popular, lets say. There are so many mixed people in all the USSR ex-republics. Rural areas in some places could be the exception.
Reading history can be helpful to learn these things, if you might have some time.

turbosat
02-28-2023, 02:13 PM
Most Caucasian in Russia are muslim and conservative they don't marry non Muslim.

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If non-Muslim converts, then can marry Muslim easily.

rajputprincess
02-28-2023, 02:53 PM
If non-Muslim converts, then can marry Muslim easily.https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18803.html
https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18580.html
Inter ethnic marriage rate Russia. See statistics for both men and women

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happycow
02-28-2023, 03:07 PM
Lol....

kingmob
02-28-2023, 05:16 PM
It is probably a pre Turkic heritage, NE-Turkish Laz people with no European nor Turkish genetic admixture are the lightest people in Turkey, also a lot of Lebanese and Syrians (no, they don’t have crusader ancestry) can look „European“. So he isn’t wrong.


Without wanting to add further fuel into the fire and this unfortunate thread, the lightness of NE Anatolia is overblown. Pontics are also native to that part of the world, I'd say their lightness and types are on par with Cretans, who are already a semi-transient group to West Asia.


Example given with this beautiful ensemble:


https://youtu.be/6gns49VtnQo

Cristiano viejo
02-28-2023, 05:16 PM
But there are people in my family still blonde in adulthood. And some gingers.

Then you are not Turk but Greek, what makes sense.

Incal
02-28-2023, 06:02 PM
In the first place, you should convince me why should i spend my life to convince a Peruvian.

You don't have to convince me about nothing. You turks are a lost cause.



There are probably many blonde turks, in some decades there might be more blonde turks maybe because they mix with ukranian refugees and russian expats etc.

Exactly! But then turks will show up and say they always looked like that since the beginning of time.



Turk is a nationality, ethno-cultural group, i dont think there is a pure turk race though, but there are blonde turks though obviously.

I think that's where their identity issues stem from. Turks think their nationality is a race when they are some of the most mixed people in the world. No wonder that as a group, they are at the top of the OWD pyramid on this forum only rivaled by chicanos, who (no surprise) also think 'mexican' is a race LMAO it seems Ataturk was a man without ideas, if he had named his country Anatoland or something like that, he'd have spared his subjects a lot of issues and complexes.




Theres nothing Slavic in this girl's face. Literal nothing. Look at her eyes and her flat face, almost Japanese level. Turkish-Slavic mix would look like this=

https://c.tenor.com/wIxFiobxxbIAAAAM/john-jonah-jameson-lol.gif



well the turks have ancient north eurasian admixture who were the ones with the blonde hair gene


"Blonde hair originated among Ancient Northern Eurasians (ANE) in Russia about 18 000 years ago. These light skin, blonde hunter gatherers migrated into Europe long before the Indo-Europeans."

Don't waste your time man, they will never learn. Turks are too brainwashed.

reboun
02-28-2023, 06:21 PM
Eupator is right. Blonde "Turks" are just Greeks living in Anatolia.

LOL what? When only 4% of Greek population is light haired (blond + light brown).

Cristiano viejo
02-28-2023, 06:29 PM
LOL what? When only 4% of Greek population is light haired (blond + light brown).

4%... please...

reboun
02-28-2023, 06:32 PM
4%... please...

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NsFDhQhukLs/YErV6GqCqdI/AAAAAAAAQ8Y/XCgWYZfRhM00QsW6yNSYoiJJj_O89dxJgCLcBGAsYHQ/s800/blond-haired-in-europe-map.jpg

Cristiano viejo
02-28-2023, 06:45 PM
[IMG]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-

I dont believe in little maps, sorry.

Mejgusu
02-28-2023, 07:00 PM
Without wanting to add further fuel into the fire and this unfortunate thread, the lightness of NE Anatolia is overblown. Pontics are also native to that part of the world, I'd say their lightness and types are on par with Cretans, who are already a semi-transient group to West Asia.

I don’t want to be misunderstood, I agreed with you. Also I agree about your point regarding the lightness of of NE Anatolia. You are new in this forum, this thread is nothing compared to other cringe discussions in the past. Some posted Turkish nomads who were blond and connected this to their high Central Asian ancestry, or used old Chinese sources where Turks were described as blond with blue eyes as evidence(which should be questioned). Normally I am out of such discussions about appearance I think it is just humbug, unfortunately I talked about this too until I saw Turks insulting each other as armenoid.

Turks have a fetish, an obsession, you shouldn’t take this thread personally. Last month a Turkish politician became famous because she was blond with blue eyes. Everyone fetishized her and said „why can’t we have such politicians but black sea type politicians.“ I felt disgusted, sometimes I feel ashamed that I have light eyes.

Eurafricanid
02-28-2023, 07:05 PM
The blond genes came from ANE, so any group that descended from them could have blonds: Amerindians, North Asians, Caucasians, Europeans, some South Asians, etc.
BTW there are other blonde genes that didn't come from ANE, like the ones present is Australasians.

Dorian
02-28-2023, 07:24 PM
no she doesn't have any slavic admixture. especially that part of turkey have zero euro-like admixture. if she has it would appears in this result and i also saw her gedmatch results, gedmatch is much more detailed and her result are typical for turkish even more mongoloid than other turks.

btw giresun is not in western turkey. they mean western side of giresun. giresun located in northeastern anatolia.

For what's worth it ,this is what pre-Turkic Giresun sim ( PTGIRESUN_scaled,0.11959558,0.13880904,-0.03750846,-0.05876882,-0.01196402,-0.01806822,0.00740343,-0.00312721,-0.02786577,0.00855202,0.00377772,0.00719718,-0.01762953,0.01046591,-0.01432991,-0.01512449,0.00202453,0.00053446,-0.00145395,0.0024355,-0.00608203,0.00444764,-0.00391887,0.00131866,-0.00514384 ) gets with pre-Roman era populations https://i.imgur.com/TGBr8WM.jpg also some samples from Imperial Rome who seem to be from somewhere close have some ancient Balkan-like admixture which could be proto-Phrygian or something.

Other than that no trait can be attributed to a single source , any peoples who carried a trait contributed for it to appear today so the girl you are talking about probably has some blonde Galatians in her tree , Phrygian ones , Roman , Armenian ,Greek , Slav, Turkic ,ANFs etc etc so it's pointless saying it's Turkic ,Greek ,Slavic..it's no different than saying someone who's German ,Czech ,Swedish,British got it from one of them.

Avicenna
02-28-2023, 07:56 PM
I don’t want to be misunderstood, I agreed with you. Also I agree about your point regarding the lightness of of NE Anatolia. You are new in this forum, this thread is nothing compared to other cringe discussions in the past. Some posted Turkish nomads who were blond and connected this to their high Central Asian ancestry, or used old Chinese sources where Turks were described as blond with blue eyes as evidence(which should be questioned). Normally I am out of such discussions about appearance I think it is just humbug, unfortunately I talked about this too until I saw Turks insulting each other as armenoid.

Turks have a fetish, an obsession, you shouldn’t take this thread personally. Last month a Turkish politician became famous because she was blond with blue eyes. Everyone fetishized her and said „why can’t we have such politicians but black sea type politicians.“ I felt disgusted, sometimes I feel ashamed that I have light eyes.

Oh come on native Turks from the steppe didn't have light hair / eyes rather it was the Tocharians/ eastern iranic tribes inhabiting those regions who actually did . Those people got displaced and moved further south . Those Turks obviously picked up some genes from those people.

placebo
02-28-2023, 08:09 PM
This topic has gotten too long and we cannot come to a conclusion so this is my last post about this.

Nobody convice me that all lighter pigmented Turks are Balkan Turk, Turkified Bosnian, Albanian, product of harem or something similar. You can find blondish person from many ethnicity like Turk, Armenian, Persian even Afghan. That doesn't mean they are assimilated or mixed with European.

Avicenna
02-28-2023, 09:05 PM
This topic has gotten too long and we cannot come to a conclusion so this is my last post about this.

Nobody convice me that all lighter pigmented Turks are Balkan Turk, Turkified Bosnian, Albanian, product of harem or something similar. You can find blondish person from many ethnicity like Turk, Armenian, Persian even Afghan. That doesn't mean they are assimilated or mixed with European.

One thing that bothers me is the use of language over here , the "even afghan " part when afghans score highest steppe and known for producing light types . But yeah I agree regardless, I was watching this Turkish YouTubers myheritage results and one of the more euro looking types was the most Anatolian person Vs a few Anatolian looking ones who ended up with more greek / Balkan ancestry.

sailormoon
02-28-2023, 09:05 PM
The blonde gene is known as KITLG (rs12821256). A non-coding SNP (rs12821256) located in a region over 350 kb upstream of the KITLG transcription start site is significantly associated with blond hair color in Iceland and the Netherlands. It is virtually absent in Asia but present in the Near East and East Africa at low frequencies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4704868/bin/nihms732732f1.jpg

A distant regulatory region upstream of the KITLG gene controls hair pigmentation in humans and mice
(a) SNPs on human chromosome 12 are associated with blond hair in Europeans (modified from2). The peak association is found at rs12821256 (red), which is 355 kb upstream of the KITLG transcription start site. (b) The frequency distribution of rs12821256 in different populations. The allele associated with blond hair, G (yellow), is most prevalent in northern Europe. (c) The Slpan allele at the mouse Kitlg locus consists of a 65.6 megabase chromosome inversion (GRCm38/mm10 chr10 breakpoints: 34.301 Mb - 99.916 Mb) that displaces upstream sequences orthologous to rs12821256 (red triangle). Heterozygous (Slpan/+) and homozygous (Slpan/Slpan) mice have lighter coats than control (+/+) animals, demonstrating that alteration of even a single copy of the region upstream of Kitlg can reduce hair pigmentation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4704868/

Annihilus
02-28-2023, 09:06 PM
I dont know how that really works, I mean Im not sure, but I could imagine that if there is a group of slavs in girusun western province of turkey who live there and they have similar dna as her, that she gets that. I dont know if it needs to mean she is not european at all, i mean it says girusun western province of turkey reference but could that mean that some live there who have originally slavic ancestry? Correct me if im wrong.

If she had slav genes it would defo show in 23andme

Mejgusu
02-28-2023, 09:18 PM
Oh come on native Turks from the steppe didn't have light hair / eyes rather it was the Tocharians/ eastern iranic tribes inhabiting those regions who actually did . Those people got displaced and moved further south . Those Turks obviously picked up some genes from those people.

I didn’t said that Central Asian Turks were blond, I literally said that everyone who claim this is wrong and sources who claim that should be questioned. But I thought I made that clear.