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Eurafricanid
03-06-2023, 05:10 PM
This works for all Europeans, North Africans, Near Easterners, Caucasians and Iranians (Distance 0.5 - 3 max).

ADD DIST COL - NO, recommended

Main Components:

Northeastern_Europe,0.1311372,0.1010001,0.0887833, 0.0806571,0.0353957,0.0268662,0.0104281,0.0142981, 0.0014019,-0.0290368,0.0017615,-0.010014,0.0173727,0.0155667,-0.0037398,0.0006423,-0.0026339,-0.0008311,-0.0000066,0.003305,0.0034992,-0.0018865,0.0044812,0.0003744,0.0032223
Northcentral_Europe,0.1319312,0.1290728,0.0699285, 0.0562278,0.0405381,0.0202268,0.0055195,0.0080205, 0.0042214,-0.0045429,-0.0046022,0.0022051,-0.0059582,-0.0059868,0.0170271,0.0061012,-0.0059828,0.0021502,0.0030494,0.004621,0.0062164,0 .002894,0.0010215,0.0127673,0.0001392
Northwestern_Europe,0.1324138,0.134624,0.0625344,0 .0486003,0.0393308,0.0188647,0.0032536,0.0055691,0 .0041062,0.0013007,-0.005514,0.0055873,-0.0114337,-0.0115923,0.0227147,0.0041641,-0.0106528,0.0023071,0.0022708,0.0011604,0.0052892, 0.0026951,0.0004852,0.0136735,0.0006005
West_Euro-Mediterranean,0.1173025,0.146691,0.0422832,0.00041 86,0.04484,-0.0014761,-0.0014214,0.0019651,0.023407,0.0324774,-0.0031249,0.0080766,-0.0152301,-0.0124798,0.0098324,0.0005282,-0.0028944,-0.0001794,-0.0016096,-0.0016608,0.0040667,-0.0003893,-0.0025928,-0.0031099,0.0003488
Central_Euro-Mediterranean,0.1161555,0.1480858,0.0175615,-0.0229509,0.0302154,-0.0089096,-0.0000293,0.0003794,0.0130682,0.0291362,-0.0004025,0.0062983,-0.0112905,-0.0049355,-0.0027785,-0.0005416,0.0027535,0.0003719,0.0016361,-0.0039252,-0.0002913,0.0004174,-0.0021461,-0.0032762,-0.0002078
East_Euro-Mediterranean,0.1116231,0.1445103,-0.0087565,-0.0394172,0.0092119,-0.0134812,0.0022442,-0.0013078,-0.0024887,0.013448,0.0029785,0.0015766,-0.0020069,0.0048787,-0.0130388,-0.0014603,0.0053392,0.0009985,0.0049072,-0.0038753,-0.0046594,0.0013794,0.0014507,0.0010224,-0.0013462
Northern_Jew,0.099431,0.1378074,-0.0096471,-0.0444759,0.0102014,-0.0161959,-0.0011896,-0.0011937,0.0082352,0.0156227,0.0021704,-0.0008559,0.0026816,-0.0008014,-0.0043258,0.0007152,-0.0008798,-0.0005114,-0.0004436,-0.0028131,-0.0030534,-0.0023568,0.0016737,0.0019011,0.0008726
Mediterranean_Jew,0.0877575,0.1440847,-0.0238293,-0.0614023,0.0055068,-0.0219016,-0.0060881,-0.0023854,0.010354,0.0177966,0.0057618,-0.0005047,0.0034887,-0.0022114,-0.0015209,-0.0009216,-0.0037551,-0.0021157,-0.0047536,-0.0051025,-0.0022905,-0.0048148,0.0034009,0.0003873,0.0021817
East_Mediterranean,0.0703004,0.1374417,-0.0499753,-0.0754579,-0.0145316,-0.0260348,-0.0035987,-0.0045815,0.0080454,0.0040664,0.0056199,-0.0066178,0.014249,0.0013974,-0.0043932,0.0073238,-0.0016513,0.0003857,0.0008913,0.0003051,-0.0001324,0.0023033,-0.000349,0.0015523,0.0008778
South_Mediterranean,-0.070447,0.1306278,-0.0142536,-0.0719374,0.0165483,-0.0310599,-0.0229842,0.0064229,0.0520533,0.0198911,0.0060071,-0.0080722,0.0234822,-0.0101745,0.0114942,-0.0076178,-0.0018462,-0.0133047,-0.0281579,0.0074866,-0.0086726,-0.0238994,0.0156915,-0.0019026,0.00193
Subsaharan_Africa_East,-0.4120465,0.0778934,-0.0136845,-0.0405073,-0.0014255,-0.0198496,-0.0074928,0.0010762,0.086392,-0.0715938,-0.009869,0.0013155,-0.0134026,-0.00056,0.0114288,-0.010683,0.0111454,0.0000996,0.0071217,-0.0070649,0.0011948,0.0026859,-0.0008342,0.0005439,0.0024254
Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest,-0.4853771,0.0809774,0.0125308,-0.0127487,0.0080648,-0.0041584,-0.0399388,0.0347428,-0.0004867,0.0239937,0.005198,-0.0044799,0.0207869,-0.0055299,0.0167696,-0.0156571,0.0075545,-0.0099224,-0.0162844,0.0017808,-0.0061261,-0.0146209,0.0100209,-0.0002653,0.0030856
Irano-Caucasian,0.0927018,0.0981804,-0.0566689,-0.0292663,-0.0423672,-0.0014755,0.0061045,-0.0042593,-0.0374652,-0.0181088,-0.0002284,0.0011231,-0.0036087,-0.000898,0.004837,0.0007311,-0.001389,-0.000413,-0.0022498,0.000491,0.0036332,-0.0011726,0.0006867,-0.0061408,0.0022535
South_Asian_(SADMC),0.071225,0.0029536,-0.1074416,0.0679004,-0.0496782,0.0376503,0.0000842,0.007073,0.0248514,0 .0168674,-0.0030584,-0.0001336,-0.0006181,0.0052514,-0.0056096,-0.0024188,0.004873,0.001477,0.0000408,-0.0014662,-0.0003254,-0.0015951,0.000226,-0.0014448,-0.0021265
East_Eurasian,0.0341934,-0.4286643,0.0737459,-0.0313838,-0.0406803,-0.0253827,0.015706,0.0192664,0.0080322,0.0048666,0 .0266347,0.0011771,0.0015986,-0.0171346,-0.0131518,-0.0055386,0.0003295,0.0062764,0.0123955,-0.0055356,0.027688,-0.0024686,0.023858,-0.0004474,0.005662


Latin American Compactibility:
Subsaharan_Africa_West,-0.6281879,0.0625108,0.0208777,0.0172737,0.0042526, 0.0138418,-0.0263738,0.0284804,-0.0368171,0.0271579,-0.0002959,0.0000777,0.0163837,-0.0000869,0.0020422,-0.0013559,-0.0009264,0.0001268,0.0022642,0.0023375,0.0035881, 0.0041018,-0.0008796,-0.0028018,-0.0052761
Subsaharan_Africa_South,-0.6253838,0.0643213,0.0194908,0.0183814,-0.0002943,0.007658,0.0399943,-0.0220626,-0.0196612,0.0135256,0.0025683,-0.0115231,-0.0086809,0.0025049,-0.0045667,0.0026361,-0.000516,0.0656379,-0.0255711,0.0034219,-0.0060718,-0.0005516,0.0021302,-0.0000022,-0.0002521
Americas_North,0.053383,-0.3078409,0.1126585,0.0870108,-0.1035475,-0.0176815,-0.2448809,-0.2933953,-0.0077071,-0.0163222,-0.0006929,-0.0049433,0.0030624,0.0120878,-0.0098126,-0.0008751,0.00246,0.0014252,0.0053674,0.0025324,-0.0005159,0.0003379,0.0006902,0.0013697,0.0022313
Americas_Southeast,0.0493502,-0.3079958,0.11785,0.1076522,-0.1139774,-0.0208969,-0.3061684,-0.3640234,-0.0102994,-0.0158545,0.0037468,-0.0102233,-0.0007858,0.0177336,-0.0152397,-0.0002464,0.0057184,-0.0029951,-0.0036905,-0.0000535,-0.0016666,0.0110669,-0.0016019,-0.0057666,-0.0046875
Americas_Southwest,0.0542495,-0.2856121,0.1142173,0.0894674,-0.1041784,-0.0176056,-0.2837217,-0.3398537,-0.0116658,-0.0130957,-0.0032639,-0.0021265,0.0006945,0.0221642,-0.0049538,0.0072925,0.0081845,-0.0002175,0.0003618,0.0004579,-0.0025483,0.0070109,-0.0005219,0.0012733,-0.0010876

Beowulf
03-06-2023, 05:41 PM
Target: IvorixG25
Distance: 1.9017% / 0.01901737
65.8 West_Euro-Mediterranean
23.0 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
8.2 Northwestern_Europe
3.0 Northeastern_Europe

Dušan
03-06-2023, 05:53 PM
Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 2.3141% / 0.02314147
49.6 Northeastern_Europe
26.2 East_Euro-Mediterranean
24.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean

Russki
03-06-2023, 05:55 PM
https://sun9-61.userapi.com/impg/SPOPiOkoEp7j5Eq-6xgJ5FdtpiiKMYyY1lzMCg/z0xGcthQ4Vc.jpg?size=580x550&quality=95&sign=657c80a0586d59a6e250994523300bbe&type=album

Beowulf
03-06-2023, 05:55 PM
for Grandma was perfect:

Target: abuela
Distance: 1.1038% / 0.01103822
57.2 West_Euro-Mediterranean
18.2 Northeastern_Europe
13.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
11.0 South_Mediterranean


usually her East European overlaps with balkans(idk why bcs our eastern european is not from there)

alnortedelsur
03-06-2023, 05:56 PM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.1420% / 0.02142010
67.0 West_Euro-Mediterranean
10.4 Mediterranean_Jew
6.6 Americas_Southeast
5.2 South_Mediterranean
4.0 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
3.2 Irano-Caucasian
3.0 Northwestern_Europe
0.6 Subsaharan_Africa_West

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07576322 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.07759688 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.08706931 Northern_Jew
0.09658629 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.10218449 Mediterranean_Jew
0.10962965 Northwestern_Europe
0.11726149 Northcentral_Europe
0.13441228 East_Mediterranean
0.14343387 Irano-Caucasian
0.15041926 Northeastern_Europe
0.18335132 South_Mediterranean
0.21883396 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.50489126 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.55555619 East_Eurasian
0.56312534 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
0.57672695 Americas_North
0.60148384 Americas_Southwest
0.64465705 Americas_Southeast
0.70641591 Subsaharan_Africa_West
0.70726052 Subsaharan_Africa_South

ScandinavianCelt
03-06-2023, 05:59 PM
Target: Brad_scaled
Distance: 1.4618% / 0.01461803 | ADC: 0.25x RC

59.4 Northcentral_Europe
32.6 Northwestern_Europe
3.4 Mediterranean_Jew
3.0 South_Asian_(SADMC)
1.6 Irano-Caucasian

118153

Cool calc. Thnx for posting it. Is it hard to create new ones? I'd like to make one for the highest hunter-gatherer groups throughout Europe maybe the top 10 or 15 and just see what people get for hunter-gatherer groups. I'd also like to do a test for northwestern Russia Belarus the baltics and Finland and maybe Northern Poland to see a breakdown of percentages of those groups only do you know if it's possible for someone without a special app to create a calculator like that I've never done it. Also if you know of a link to all the coordinates for all the samples could you send me a message or post it here? I wonder what happens when you combine both the ancient and the modern pop averages together or if you combined all the raw data for the ancient and the modern and then ran and unscaled test what it would look like.

Eurafricanid
03-06-2023, 06:15 PM
Target: Brad_scaled
Distance: 1.4618% / 0.01461803 | ADC: 0.25x RC

59.4 Northcentral_Europe
32.6 Northwestern_Europe
3.4 Mediterranean_Jew
3.0 South_Asian_(SADMC)
1.6 Irano-Caucasian

118153

Cool calc. Thnx for posting it. Is it hard to create new ones? I'd like to make one for the highest hunter-gatherer groups throughout Europe maybe the top 10 or 15 and just see what people get for hunter-gatherer groups. I'd also like to do a test for northwestern Russia Belarus the baltics and Finland and maybe Northern Poland to see a breakdown of percentages of those groups only do you know if it's possible for someone without a special app to create a calculator like that I've never done it. Also if you know of a link to all the coordinates for all the samples could you send me a message or post it here? I wonder what happens when you combine both the ancient and the modern pop averages together or if you combined all the raw data for the ancient and the modern and then ran and unscaled test what it would look like.

A calculator like this?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?369052-WHG-G25-calculator-How-much-is-hidden-within-your-Barcin-CHG-Steppe-calculator&highlight=calculator

JerryS.
03-06-2023, 06:23 PM
Target: JerryS_scaled_scaled
Distance: 1.8474% / 0.01847372
73.0 Northwestern_Europe
12.6 Northcentral_Europe
8.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
5.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.8391% / 0.01839133 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.2 Northwestern_Europe
6.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
6.0 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.6 Subsaharan_Africa_East

I'm not understanding Central and Eastern European Mediterranean. What are they?

Eurafricanid
03-06-2023, 06:45 PM
Target: JerryS_scaled_scaled
Distance: 1.8474% / 0.01847372
73.0 Northwestern_Europe
12.6 Northcentral_Europe
8.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
5.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.8391% / 0.01839133 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.2 Northwestern_Europe
6.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
6.0 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.6 Subsaharan_Africa_East

I'm not understanding Central and Eastern European Mediterranean. What are they?

They're exactly what they say:

Distance to: Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.01064584 French_Corsica
0.01326684 Italian_Tuscany
0.01594053 Italian_Piedmont

Distance to: East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.00995826 Greek_Crete
0.01124309 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01221426 Greek_South_Tsakonia

JerryS.
03-06-2023, 07:33 PM
Doubled

JerryS.
03-06-2023, 07:33 PM
They're exactly what they say:

Distance to: Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.01064584 French_Corsica
0.01326684 Italian_Tuscany
0.01594053 Italian_Piedmont

Distance to: East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.00995826 Greek_Crete
0.01124309 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01221426 Greek_South_Tsakonia

I guess the Eastern mediterranean seemed redundant to me. Unless that means the holy land.

lockdownboredom
03-06-2023, 08:00 PM
Target: LB_scaled
Distance: 3.7099% / 0.03709930
58.4 East_Euro-Mediterranean
23.4 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
18.2 Northeastern_Europe

gixajo
03-06-2023, 09:03 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6960% / 0.01696012
97.6 West_Euro-Mediterranean
2.0 Northcentral_Europe
0.4 Northwestern_Europe

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0489% / 0.02048943
83.6 West_Euro-Mediterranean
12.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
4.2 South_Mediterranean

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.1250% / 0.02124963
84.6 West_Euro-Mediterranean
15.4 Northwestern_Europe

PT Tagus
03-06-2023, 11:17 PM
Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.7831% / 0.01783066
80.6 West_Euro-Mediterranean
7.0 East_Mediterranean
3.8 Northwestern_Europe
3.4 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
3.2 South_Mediterranean
2.0 Mediterranean_Jew


Distance to: Endovelicus_scaled
0.03896061 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.04636438 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.07491386 Northern_Jew
0.08110242 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.09281457 Northwestern_Europe
0.09286691 Mediterranean_Jew
0.10287755 Northcentral_Europe
0.13184152 East_Mediterranean
0.14897895 Northeastern_Europe
0.15449308 Irano-Caucasian
0.19386835 South_Mediterranean
0.24059724 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.52375765 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.58169074 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
0.59208098 East_Eurasian

Eurafricanid
03-06-2023, 11:40 PM
I guess the Eastern mediterranean seemed redundant to me. Unless that means the holy land.

Yup!

Distance to: East_Mediterranean
0.01679912 Lebanese_Muslim
0.02023626 Lebanese_Druze
0.02192215 Karaite_Egypt

Distance to: East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.00995826 Greek_Crete
0.01124309 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01221426 Greek_South_Tsakonia

Eurafricanid
03-06-2023, 11:42 PM
Here they are!

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 0.9566% / 0.00956618
46.8 Subsaharan_Africa_West
31.8 West_Euro-Mediterranean
17.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
2.6 Americas_Southeast
1.6 Irano-Caucasian

Grace O'Malley
03-07-2023, 01:02 AM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8342% / 0.01834202
81.6 Northwestern_Europe
18.4 Northcentral_Europe

Boudin
03-07-2023, 01:42 AM
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Target: Boudin
Distance: 3.4581% / 0.03458086




46.0
Northcentral_Europe





30.2
Central_Euro-Mediterranean





22.2
West_Euro-Mediterranean





1.6
East_Eurasian




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Target: Boudin
Distance: 3.4457% / 0.03445736




45.4
Northcentral_Europe





30.4
Central_Euro-Mediterranean





22.4
West_Euro-Mediterranean





1.0
East_Eurasian





0.8
Americas_North



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Target: Boudin
Distance: 3.4581% / 0.03458086




46.0
Northcentral_Europe





30.2
Central_Euro-Mediterranean





22.2
West_Euro-Mediterranean





1.6
East_Eurasian




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Distance to:
Boudin


0.05147258
West_Euro-Mediterranean


0.05711675
Northwestern_Europe


0.06349213
Northcentral_Europe


0.07091580
Central_Euro-Mediterranean


0.10374805
East_Euro-Mediterranean


0.10815984
Northern_Jew


0.11284475
Northeastern_Europe


0.13424151
Mediterranean_Jew


0.16657402
Irano-Caucasian


0.17081035
East_Mediterranean


0.23730502
South_Asian_(SADMC)


0.25337419
South_Mediterranean


0.57309186
Subsaharan_Africa_East


0.57855886
East_Eurasian


0.63216321
Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest



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Coastal Elite
03-07-2023, 01:52 AM
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.8509% / 0.01850933
40.0 Northwestern_Europe
26.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean
26.2 Northcentral_Europe
6.8 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.2 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Daco_scaled
0.04490655 Northwestern_Europe
0.05318147 Northcentral_Europe
0.05458912 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06833229 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.09495055 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.10207564 Northern_Jew
0.10230106 Northeastern_Europe
0.12883529 Mediterranean_Jew
0.15418931 Irano-Caucasian
0.16478202 East_Mediterranean
0.23241285 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.25197237 South_Mediterranean
0.56840406 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.58326944 East_Eurasian
0.62807990 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

JerryS.
03-07-2023, 12:20 PM
What happened to page 2?

Grace O'Malley
03-07-2023, 01:32 PM
Reposting my result here as pg 2 isn't visible.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8342% / 0.01834202
81.6 Northwestern_Europe
18.4 Northcentral_Europe

Selene
03-07-2023, 02:08 PM
Target: Nixie_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.5667% / 0.01566745
52.8 Northeastern_Europe
27.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean
16.4 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
3.0 Northcentral_Europe

JerryS.
03-07-2023, 03:34 PM
Reposting my result here as pg 2 isn't visible.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8342% / 0.01834202
81.6 Northwestern_Europe
18.4 Northcentral_Europe

Thank you. Can others do the same since page 2 is lost?

JerryS.
03-07-2023, 03:34 PM
Doubled

alexmegas777
03-07-2023, 06:56 PM
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 2.5902% / 0.02590235
50.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
29.2 Northeastern_Europe
20.0 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.2 Northcentral_Europe

Eurafricanid
03-07-2023, 07:05 PM
Page 2 is completely lost:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 0.9566% / 0.00956618
46.8 Subsaharan_Africa_West
31.8 West_Euro-Mediterranean
17.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
2.6 Americas_Southeast
1.6 Irano-Caucasian

Jingle Bell
03-07-2023, 08:18 PM
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9858% / 0.01985801
40.0 West_Euro-Mediterranean
33.8 Subsaharan_Africa_West
13.6 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
6.8 East_Mediterranean
2.6 Americas_Southeast
2.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
1.0 Subsaharan_Africa_South

Eurafricanid
03-07-2023, 09:14 PM
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9858% / 0.01985801
40.0 West_Euro-Mediterranean
33.8 Subsaharan_Africa_West
13.6 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
6.8 East_Mediterranean
2.6 Americas_Southeast
2.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
1.0 Subsaharan_Africa_South

Very high Fulani, :icon_ask:, but the Jewish disappeared.

Jingle Bell
03-07-2023, 09:52 PM
Very high Fulani, :icon_ask:, but the Jewish disappeared.

its prob begin read as East Med

if i take East Med off its start to appears:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9919% / 0.01991885
38.2 West_Euro-Mediterranean
35.0 Subsaharan_Africa_West
12.2 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
9.8 Mediterranean_Jew
2.6 Americas_Southeast
1.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
1.0 Subsaharan_Africa_South

Coastal Elite
03-08-2023, 03:08 AM
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.8514% / 0.01851352
42.4 Northwestern_Europe
26.4 East_Euro-Mediterranean
23.8 Northcentral_Europe
7.0 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.4 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Daco_scaled
0.04490655 Northwestern_Europe
0.05318147 Northcentral_Europe
0.05458912 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06833229 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.09495055 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.10207564 Northern_Jew
0.10230106 Northeastern_Europe
0.12883529 Mediterranean_Jew
0.15418931 Irano-Caucasian
0.16478202 East_Mediterranean
0.23241285 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.25197237 South_Mediterranean
0.56840406 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.58326944 East_Eurasian
0.62807990 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

Kenshiro
12-03-2024, 10:43 PM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324831
50.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
37.6 East_Euro-Mediterranean
7.4 Irano-Caucasian
4.4 Northeastern_Europe

unmoggable
12-04-2024, 04:05 AM
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 0.6464% / 0.00646437
65.2 Northwestern_Europe
22.8 Northcentral_Europe
10.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean
1.2 Irano-Caucasian

0.01640690 Northwestern_Europe
0.02632084 Northcentral_Europe
0.06593659 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.08669119 Northeastern_Europe
0.09060103 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.11938320 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.12355565 Northern_Jew
0.14922701 Mediterranean_Jew
0.17061139 Irano-Caucasian
0.18401214 East_Mediterranean
0.24125004 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.25945583 South_Mediterranean
0.56875025 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.58725265 East_Eurasian
0.62659546 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

vader
12-06-2024, 02:04 PM
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 1.1098% / 0.01109753
85.0 West_Euro-Mediterranean
7.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
3.6 South_Mediterranean
2.2 Subsaharan_Africa_East
2.0 Northeastern_Europe

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 1.8613% / 0.01861334
50.6 Americas_Southwest
25.8 West_Euro-Mediterranean
16.0 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
2.2 South_Asian_(SADMC)
2.2 Subsaharan_Africa_East
2.0 Subsaharan_Africa_West
0.8 East_Eurasian
0.4 Subsaharan_Africa_South

Anatolya
12-06-2024, 05:06 PM
Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 0.8267% / 0.00826667
58.4 Irano-Caucasian
19.6 East_Mediterranean
19.2 East_Euro-Mediterranean
2.8 East_Eurasian

leachim_x
12-06-2024, 05:20 PM
Distance to: Micha_K36
0.02063173 Northwestern_Europe
0.02772277 Northcentral_Europe
0.06399521 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.08692699 Northeastern_Europe
0.08990565 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.12078314 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.12628883 Northern_Jew
0.15240956 Mediterranean_Jew
0.17825792 Irano-Caucasian
0.18840024 East_Mediterranean
0.24804725 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.26485906 South_Mediterranean
0.57504444 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.63254241 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

Target: Micha_K36
Distance: 1.2364% / 0.01236369
50.8 Northcentral_Europe
30.8 Northwestern_Europe
18.4 Central_Euro-Mediterranean

Rhegion
12-06-2024, 05:28 PM
Target: Me
Distance: 1.8807% / 0.01880657
50.8 Mediterranean_Jew
28.4 East_Euro-Mediterranean
20.8 Central_Euro-Mediterranean

Target: Father
Distance: 1.8171% / 0.01817123
35.8 Mediterranean_Jew
31.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
20.2 East_Mediterranean
12.4 East_Euro-Mediterranean

Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 1.6747% / 0.01674733
51.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean
34.2 Mediterranean_Jew
12.8 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
1.2 South_Mediterranean

Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 2.0624% / 0.02062384
52.4 Mediterranean_Jew
42.6 East_Euro-Mediterranean
4.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.4 South_Mediterranean

Target: Cousin
Distance: 2.6714% / 0.02671370
43.2 East_Euro-Mediterranean
24.8 East_Mediterranean
19.6 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
12.0 Mediterranean_Jew
0.4 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

leachim_x
12-06-2024, 05:49 PM
Target: Me



Seems like Calabrian are very southern and close to semitic people anyway. But are you part jewish btw? Would you post your single distances also? Kind regards :)

Rhegion
12-06-2024, 07:08 PM
Seems like Calabrian are very southern and close to semitic people anyway. But are you part jewish btw? Would you post your single distances also? Kind regards :)

Greetings! :) Southern Calabria is likely on average the most "southern shifted" areas in Italy, along with northeastern Sicily, so peoples from here can generally plot close to Askhenazi and other jewish groups due to the similar genetic composition. While i shouldn’t have any recent Jewish ancestry, some of my relatives show low percentage DNA matches with some Jewish individuals as well as Greeks, Asia Minor, the Levant, and nearby regions. This is perhaps explainable because the interactions with these populations in southern Italy, including Jews, likely occurred many times, also during the Roman era and later Middle Ages, persisted until around 1500, supported by the historical presence and interactions of the Byzantine and some Jewish communities. Over time, these groups were absorbed into the local population, contributing to the modern Calabrian and southern italian profiles. I think that the moderate to strong endogamy within these populations and specific families likely also preserved these genetic matches, explaining why they can still be detected through commercial dna tests today.

Anyway, sure, those are the distances i get:

Distance to: Me
0.02471367 Northern_Jew
0.02979829 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.03264035 Mediterranean_Jew
0.05269665 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.07464001 East_Mediterranean
0.09180232 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.11466012 Irano-Caucasian
0.14398043 Northwestern_Europe
0.15384591 Northcentral_Europe
0.19205299 Northeastern_Europe
0.19299996 South_Mediterranean
0.23478481 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.53724767 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.59628870 East_Eurasian
0.60132952 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

Distance to: Father
0.02241928 Northern_Jew
0.02793403 Mediterranean_Jew
0.03336677 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.05764160 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06489919 East_Mediterranean
0.09580252 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.10906161 Irano-Caucasian
0.14718810 Northwestern_Europe
0.15672566 Northcentral_Europe
0.18734498 South_Mediterranean
0.19580791 Northeastern_Europe
0.22737554 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.53133957 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.59197760 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Maternal_Grandpa
0.02368881 Northern_Jew
0.02421258 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.03460213 Mediterranean_Jew
0.05181114 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.07439249 East_Mediterranean
0.09227105 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.10988950 Irano-Caucasian
0.14350870 Northwestern_Europe
0.15284254 Northcentral_Europe
0.19088587 Northeastern_Europe
0.19262920 South_Mediterranean
0.23040951 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.53482797 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.59251944 East_Eurasian
0.59758288 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

Distance to: Maternal_Grandma
0.02883653 Northern_Jew
0.02996091 Mediterranean_Jew
0.03183597 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06067599 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06720146 East_Mediterranean
0.10124762 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.11415950 Irano-Caucasian
0.15471641 Northwestern_Europe
0.16368194 Northcentral_Europe
0.18832869 South_Mediterranean
0.19987131 Northeastern_Europe
0.23775767 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.53236341 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.59576105 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
0.59826656 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Cousin
0.03370050 Northern_Jew
0.03480473 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.03674259 Mediterranean_Jew
0.06306568 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06653471 East_Mediterranean
0.10296043 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.10749643 Irano-Caucasian
0.15454123 Northwestern_Europe
0.16360539 Northcentral_Europe
0.18967907 South_Mediterranean
0.20172153 Northeastern_Europe
0.22937237 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.52986339 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.59267386 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
0.59552878 East_Eurasian
0.59544245 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

leachim_x
12-06-2024, 07:59 PM
Greetings!...

Wow! I was aware of that...kinda. But your explanation is superb! Thx :)

To be honest, I also suspected (for similar reasons) that I had a closer connection to Italy...because of the Romans. But the distances are much greater. Or rather, the generally assumed connection to the West Germans (especially around the Rhine) is a slight exaggeration.

Voskos
12-06-2024, 09:01 PM
Seems like Calabrian are very southern and close to semitic people anyway. But are you part jewish btw? Would you post your single distances also? Kind regards :)

When Calabria became Byzantine there were waves of settlement from the Eastern Mediterranean (Christians from the Levant).

Fabricius
12-06-2024, 09:40 PM
Target: Fabricius(Eurogenes_k36)-G25
Distance: 1.2184% / 0.01218377
49.6 West_Euro-Mediterranean
25.4 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
13.8 Northeastern_Europe
8.6 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
2.6 South_Mediterranean

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.7929% / 0.00792944
41.2 West_Euro-Mediterranean
25.4 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
17.2 Northeastern_Europe
8.6 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
4.8 East_Euro-Mediterranean
2.6 South_Mediterranean
0.2 Northwestern_Europe


Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.06329171 West_Euro-Mediterranean
0.06841198 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
0.08482547 Northern_Jew
0.09126730 East_Euro-Mediterranean
0.09718298 Northwestern_Europe
0.10233313 Mediterranean_Jew
0.10285355 Northcentral_Europe
0.13558184 East_Mediterranean
0.13770439 Northeastern_Europe
0.15085127 Irano-Caucasian
0.17881802 South_Mediterranean
0.22815855 South_Asian_(SADMC)
0.49921624 Subsaharan_Africa_East
0.55547629 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest
0.57671154 East_Eurasian

ASB1
12-06-2024, 09:45 PM
The Neolithic haplogroup in Levantine females linked with Calabrians and even South Polish, people of the Caucasus and Armenians is actually in the Alawites even their wikipedia states them being the original Christians who converted to Islam in the 10th or 14 century

virtually every single Near Eastern Christian including people who have blogged here like Sascha have all had West Asian haplogroups

tk'es
12-06-2024, 09:47 PM
Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 5.1119% / 0.05111871
79.6 Irano-Caucasian
15.2 Northwestern_Europe
5.0 Northeastern_Europe
0.2 East_Eurasian

ASB1
12-06-2024, 09:50 PM
The Neolithic haplogroup in Levantine females linked with Calabrians and even South Polish, people of the Caucasus and Armenians is actually in the Alawites even their wikipedia states them being the original Christians who converted to Islam in the 10th or 14 century

virtually every single Near Eastern Christian including people who have blogged here like Sasha have all had West Asian haplogroups

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381921-Sacha-s-mtFull-results her haplogroup is H4a1, Maronites like the Melkite Orthodox of the Near East are West Asian Syriacs, the Indo European females who were inhabiting the Steppes of Eurasia were H2a1 which is high in Alawite women and sometimes some Druze assosiated with the Samaritan Israelites and etc

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381921-Sacha-s-mtFull-results/page2

Here is the information regarding that

ASB1
12-06-2024, 09:54 PM
H2a1 MtDNA: Pastoralism for Milk
The H Mitochondrial DNA (MtDNA)
haplogroup (hp) is today the most dominant hp in
western Eurasia
1
and its frequency decreases
from Western Europe to south and east. If some
H hp are highly common today in Western
Europe
2
their arrival before Late Glacial
Maximum (LGM)
3
suggests that hp H could
represent a second Paleolithic wave
4
that was
contemporary of the diffusion of the Gravettian
5
dominated by hp U5a MtDNA
6
still highly
present in central and eastern Europeans
populations
7
. However, during LGM, a major
sub-haplogroup of H MtDNA, H2 (circa 14
Kya)
8
diversified on the European south-eastern
fringe. If hg H2 is the second most frequent
subclade of hg H among Finns
9
, H2a (circa 12
Kya)
10
is also typical of eastern Slaves, eastern
Caucasians
11
central and western Asians. The
subclade H2a1 MtDNA
12
at the transition np 951;
16354
13
is highly frequent in modern European
population, in particular around the Baltic Sea
14

Pedro Ruben
12-06-2024, 10:31 PM
Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.9053% / 0.01905269
61.2 West_Euro-Mediterranean
18.8 Northwestern_Europe
14.6 South_Mediterranean
2.2 Mediterranean_Jew
2.2 Northeastern_Europe
1.0 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0531% / 0.02053061
76.6 West_Euro-Mediterranean
13.6 South_Mediterranean
7.6 Northeastern_Europe
2.2 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7704% / 0.01770434
87.8 West_Euro-Mediterranean
7.6 Northwestern_Europe
3.6 Subsaharan_Africa_East
1.0 Subsaharan_Africa_Northwest

noricum
12-06-2024, 10:47 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 3.0642% / 0.03064168
43.8 Northeastern_Europe
35.2 Central_Euro-Mediterranean
21.0 Northwestern_Europe

Rhegion
12-06-2024, 11:48 PM
When Calabria became Byzantine there were waves of settlement from the Eastern Mediterranean (Christians from the Levant).

Yeah, right, also generally the dna of southern Italians, on average, has remained relatively consistent and was shaped since the Bronze Age. Depending on the region, it reflects a mix of Italic ancestry from various indigenous peoples (such as the "Bruttii" in Calabria), classical Greek influence from the colonies of Magna Graecia, especially along the coasts, and Phoenician and/or Carthaginian contributions. This genetic profile was further shaped during the Roman Imperial era, which brought additional influences, particularly from the eastern Mediterranean.

By the Middle Ages, new inputs, such as Jewish, Arab, Byzantine (Greece and Levant) and Longobard/Norman in some places, was introduced and varied in prevalence depending on the area. Coastal parts of Calabria, for example, tend to show a stronger Levantine and Arab component, while inland and mountainous areas, as well as the Grecanic zones, often display a genetic profile more heavily influenced by classical Greek and Anatolian. The Berber component has remained relatively stable since the bronze age, without many additional input in more recent times.


The Neolithic haplogroup in Levantine females linked with Calabrians and even South Polish, people of the Caucasus and Armenians is actually in the Alawites even their wikipedia states them being the original Christians who converted to Islam in the 10th or 14 century

virtually every single Near Eastern Christian including people who have blogged here like Sasha have all had West Asian haplogroups

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381921-Sacha-s-mtFull-results her haplogroup is H4a1, Maronites like the Melkite Orthodox of the Near East are West Asian Syriacs, the Indo European females who were inhabiting the Steppes of Eurasia were H2a1 which is high in Alawite women and sometimes some Druze assosiated with the Samaritan Israelites and etc

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381921-Sacha-s-mtFull-results/page2

Here is the information regarding that

My father mtdna is H, my mum W1, my cousin U5a1, but i haven't tested for a more defined maternal haplos yet, i just did the Big Y for my paternal haplo. Wanna also test my maternal grandpa later, he is J-M92 and mtdna J1b1a.