Jingle Bell
03-13-2023, 08:51 PM
Hi everyone, just want to share a simple model for Medieval Iberia:
*Latinos, i recommend use the samples which makes more sense to ur non-euro background, if u are mexican so dont use a broad amerindian sample, use a Central/Northern sample, if u are Dominican dont use broad SSA samples, use Western African samples mostly, that can affect ur results badly
Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval,0.114 582,0.14589766666667,0.030547,-0.006783,0.03662233333333,0.00111533333333,-0.00133166666667,0.00399966666667,0.026179,0.03444 266666667,-0.00530433333333,0.00364666666667,-0.01065366666667,-0.01022966666667,0.00239766666667,0.00039766666667 ,0.00178166666667,-0.004645,0.00025133333333,-0.002835,0.00420066666667,0.00012366666667,-0.001068,-0.00116466666667,0.00063866666667
Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval,0.12488028571429,0.139272 71428571,0.04606257142857,0.02048742857143,0.03978 742857143,0.00494057142857,0.00365928571429,0.0053 0742857143,0.01279742857143,0.01608871428571,-0.00651871428571,0.00734542857143,-0.010852,-0.006311,0.00791042857143,0.00443228571429,0.00201 171428571,0.00378271428571,-0.001167,0.00423414285714,0.00456328571429,0.00113 057142857,-0.003539,0.00251328571429,-0.00272
Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425,0.055773,0.146236,0.024136,-0.024225,0.032929,-0.013666,-0.008695,-0.000231,0.020248,0.023508,-0.006333,0.00779,0.00223,-0.015827,0.012486,-0.007292,-0.018123,-0.006461,-0.006788,0.002626,0.000125,-0.007914,0.003451,-0.005784,0.001437
Serfadic:Sefardi_Average,0.0907738,0.145094,-0.0233814,-0.0609662,0.0057318,-0.0219276,-0.0054344,-0.002596,0.0116579,0.0199775,0.004202,0.0001688,5. 56e-05,-0.0005678,-0.00436,-0.0065301,-0.0081814,-0.000475,-0.0013355,-0.0065658,-0.0048508,-0.0059044,0.001217,0.0025606,0.0024399
Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average,0.09384715,0.1436466,-0.01431185,-0.0535857,0.01234075,-0.0199546,-0.00141,0.0003461,0.01233285,0.0193443,0.004287,0. 0000375,0.00449695,-0.00037845,-0.00349495,-0.0003979,-0.00200785,0.00069045,-0.0017535,-0.00355165,-0.0024768,-0.0022691,0.0005546,0.00144,-0.0010538
OBS:
*Ik Erfurt and Norwich arent Serfadis but they are the bests ancient jews samples which we have and they cluster pretty well with serfadis and AJ, so yeah thats just a proxy.
*U Can also try use that sample instead "Morisco":
Moors_and_Moriscos,0.08071958333333,0.142597333333 33,0.02133866666667,-0.02675516666667,0.03433975,-0.01415366666667,-0.00998783333333,0.00019225,0.02783216666667,0.026 09,0.00110975,0.00374658333333,-0.00400133333333,-0.01120475,0.00840316666667,0.00062983333333,0.001 37991666667,-0.00688333333333,-0.01004533333333,0.00103166666667,-0.001466,-0.00774891666667,0.00301958333333,-0.00494025,0.00037716666667
(That sample also show a very visible East-Med (~20%) component, i dont think its Roman, its more likely Serfadic, so if u score that ur serfadic will prob down a bit.)
*Visigoth_Iberians_NE_Medieval its also a proxy for any extra Central Euro ancestry since its its very Germanic admixed and plots in France, so there no need to add any N. euro sample unless u have some recent non-iberian ancestry.
Tests:
Distance to: West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.02094603 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.04357860 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.06510528 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.08746319 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.10030204 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.02066994 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.04297277 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.06375726 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.08568277 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.09890443 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.01628825 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.03657238 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.07306722 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.08692142 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.10046355 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.02463774 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.03888133 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.07994456 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.09903493 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.11179556 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.05228938 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.05266437 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.10438839 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.12772917 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.14034570 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
https://i.imgur.com/3zvxPlM.png
Looks like Iberians do score some Moriscos but 0% Serfadic, makes sense i think (At least in averages, dk abt individual level)
Also Iberians are scoring abt 25% of Visigoth mixed samples, the West have a bit more proporcionally.
Curious to see how it will work at individual level
Also dont forget, Morisco =/= Moor, Mooriscos are actually 50% - 75% Iberian the rest Moor, if u score 30% Morisco that dont means u have 30% NA blood XD
And the most important:
IM NOT A TROLL SAYING THAT IBERIANS ARE MOORS AND NEITHER USE THAT THREAD TO TROLL, HERE JUST POST UR RESULTS OR OBSERVATIONS THAT U MADE, PLEASE BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL, thanks
What u guys think? its a good or bad calc? in what i can improve? ty:thumb001:
*Latinos, i recommend use the samples which makes more sense to ur non-euro background, if u are mexican so dont use a broad amerindian sample, use a Central/Northern sample, if u are Dominican dont use broad SSA samples, use Western African samples mostly, that can affect ur results badly
Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval,0.114 582,0.14589766666667,0.030547,-0.006783,0.03662233333333,0.00111533333333,-0.00133166666667,0.00399966666667,0.026179,0.03444 266666667,-0.00530433333333,0.00364666666667,-0.01065366666667,-0.01022966666667,0.00239766666667,0.00039766666667 ,0.00178166666667,-0.004645,0.00025133333333,-0.002835,0.00420066666667,0.00012366666667,-0.001068,-0.00116466666667,0.00063866666667
Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval,0.12488028571429,0.139272 71428571,0.04606257142857,0.02048742857143,0.03978 742857143,0.00494057142857,0.00365928571429,0.0053 0742857143,0.01279742857143,0.01608871428571,-0.00651871428571,0.00734542857143,-0.010852,-0.006311,0.00791042857143,0.00443228571429,0.00201 171428571,0.00378271428571,-0.001167,0.00423414285714,0.00456328571429,0.00113 057142857,-0.003539,0.00251328571429,-0.00272
Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425,0.055773,0.146236,0.024136,-0.024225,0.032929,-0.013666,-0.008695,-0.000231,0.020248,0.023508,-0.006333,0.00779,0.00223,-0.015827,0.012486,-0.007292,-0.018123,-0.006461,-0.006788,0.002626,0.000125,-0.007914,0.003451,-0.005784,0.001437
Serfadic:Sefardi_Average,0.0907738,0.145094,-0.0233814,-0.0609662,0.0057318,-0.0219276,-0.0054344,-0.002596,0.0116579,0.0199775,0.004202,0.0001688,5. 56e-05,-0.0005678,-0.00436,-0.0065301,-0.0081814,-0.000475,-0.0013355,-0.0065658,-0.0048508,-0.0059044,0.001217,0.0025606,0.0024399
Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average,0.09384715,0.1436466,-0.01431185,-0.0535857,0.01234075,-0.0199546,-0.00141,0.0003461,0.01233285,0.0193443,0.004287,0. 0000375,0.00449695,-0.00037845,-0.00349495,-0.0003979,-0.00200785,0.00069045,-0.0017535,-0.00355165,-0.0024768,-0.0022691,0.0005546,0.00144,-0.0010538
OBS:
*Ik Erfurt and Norwich arent Serfadis but they are the bests ancient jews samples which we have and they cluster pretty well with serfadis and AJ, so yeah thats just a proxy.
*U Can also try use that sample instead "Morisco":
Moors_and_Moriscos,0.08071958333333,0.142597333333 33,0.02133866666667,-0.02675516666667,0.03433975,-0.01415366666667,-0.00998783333333,0.00019225,0.02783216666667,0.026 09,0.00110975,0.00374658333333,-0.00400133333333,-0.01120475,0.00840316666667,0.00062983333333,0.001 37991666667,-0.00688333333333,-0.01004533333333,0.00103166666667,-0.001466,-0.00774891666667,0.00301958333333,-0.00494025,0.00037716666667
(That sample also show a very visible East-Med (~20%) component, i dont think its Roman, its more likely Serfadic, so if u score that ur serfadic will prob down a bit.)
*Visigoth_Iberians_NE_Medieval its also a proxy for any extra Central Euro ancestry since its its very Germanic admixed and plots in France, so there no need to add any N. euro sample unless u have some recent non-iberian ancestry.
Tests:
Distance to: West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.02094603 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.04357860 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.06510528 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.08746319 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.10030204 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.02066994 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.04297277 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.06375726 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.08568277 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.09890443 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.01628825 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.03657238 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.07306722 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.08692142 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.10046355 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.02463774 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.03888133 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.07994456 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.09903493 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.11179556 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
Distance to: Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.05228938 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.05266437 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval:Visig oth_Iberians_NE_Medieval
0.10438839 Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.12772917 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.14034570 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
https://i.imgur.com/3zvxPlM.png
Looks like Iberians do score some Moriscos but 0% Serfadic, makes sense i think (At least in averages, dk abt individual level)
Also Iberians are scoring abt 25% of Visigoth mixed samples, the West have a bit more proporcionally.
Curious to see how it will work at individual level
Also dont forget, Morisco =/= Moor, Mooriscos are actually 50% - 75% Iberian the rest Moor, if u score 30% Morisco that dont means u have 30% NA blood XD
And the most important:
IM NOT A TROLL SAYING THAT IBERIANS ARE MOORS AND NEITHER USE THAT THREAD TO TROLL, HERE JUST POST UR RESULTS OR OBSERVATIONS THAT U MADE, PLEASE BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL, thanks
What u guys think? its a good or bad calc? in what i can improve? ty:thumb001: