Did you agree lebanese and Jews are highly darkwash on this forum.

[Laredo]

I personally think these groups are heavily stereotyped and tbh I would expect many obvious reasons coming from a place like this, also due to being Muslims.

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[Jingle Bell]

Lebaneses usually looks East Med, thats it, they just looks like Med shifted MENA's, genetically also


Distance to: Levantine:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
0.03555809 Mizrahim
0.03831719 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.04483504 Mountain_Jew
0.04653473 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.04901378 Sephardim
0.06069144 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.06251384 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06517523 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06726486 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.06769810 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.06810157 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.07024973 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.07373365 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.07420061 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.07946825 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.08017186 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.08074475 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.08265503 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.08429606 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.08452835 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.08527776 Egypt:Ancient_Egyptian
0.09216751 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
0.09371936 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.09668379 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.10280866 Northern_Iran:Mazandarani



Distance to: Levantine:Lebanese_Muslim_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.03972562 Mizrahim
0.04182728 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.04355961 Mountain_Jew
0.04652239 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.04928489 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.05461844 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.05728990 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.05815683 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.06001698 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.06146850 Sephardim
0.06204416 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.06516976 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06791328 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.06911296 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.07006961 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.07064925 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.07136096 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.07140536 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.07320922 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.07856189 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.08394357 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.08647689 Northern_Iran:Mazandarani
0.08737024 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.09429452 Northwest_Caucasus:Circassian
0.09441114 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese



Distance to: Levantine:Lebanese_Christian_Melkite
0.04041745 Mizrahim
0.04237897 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.04881889 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.04902179 Mountain_Jew
0.05136934 Sephardim
0.05954251 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.06114962 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06405349 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06843518 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.07345326 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.07458527 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.07580241 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.07691381 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.08046158 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.08203237 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.08259090 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.08592760 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.08661484 Egypt:Ancient_Egyptian
0.08789392 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.08789958 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
0.09180210 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.09410095 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.09965861 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.10208119 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.10447166 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany

As i said, in fact they are quite Med shifted, but they still cluster with others MENAs not with Euros.
So nop, they are not White (White = Clust in Europe)

[Laredo]

Lebaneses usually looks East Med, thats it, they just looks like Med shifted MENA's, genetically also


Distance to: Levantine:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
0.03555809 Mizrahim
0.03831719 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.04483504 Mountain_Jew
0.04653473 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.04901378 Sephardim
0.06069144 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.06251384 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06517523 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06726486 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.06769810 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.06810157 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.07024973 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.07373365 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.07420061 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.07946825 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.08017186 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.08074475 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.08265503 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.08429606 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.08452835 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.08527776 Egypt:Ancient_Egyptian
0.09216751 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
0.09371936 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.09668379 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.10280866 Northern_Iran:Mazandarani



Distance to: Levantine:Lebanese_Muslim_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.03972562 Mizrahim
0.04182728 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.04355961 Mountain_Jew
0.04652239 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.04928489 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.05461844 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.05728990 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.05815683 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.06001698 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.06146850 Sephardim
0.06204416 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.06516976 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06791328 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.06911296 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.07006961 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.07064925 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.07136096 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.07140536 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.07320922 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.07856189 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.08394357 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.08647689 Northern_Iran:Mazandarani
0.08737024 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.09429452 Northwest_Caucasus:Circassian
0.09441114 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese



Distance to: Levantine:Lebanese_Christian_Melkite
0.04041745 Mizrahim
0.04237897 Southern_Mesopotamia:Mandean
0.04881889 Northern_Mesopotamia:Assyrian
0.04902179 Mountain_Jew
0.05136934 Sephardim
0.05954251 Ashkenazim:Germany+Poland
0.06114962 Aegean:Greek_Crete
0.06405349 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziBelarussia+Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06843518 Ashkenazim:AshkenaziRussia+AshkenaziUkrania
0.07345326 South_Turkey:Turkish_Adana
0.07458527 Northern_Western_Iran:Iranian_Kurdistan
0.07580241 Kurdish:Kurdish
0.07691381 South_Italy:Italian_Apulia
0.08046158 South_Italy:Sicilian_West
0.08203237 Northern_Azerbaijan
0.08259090 Southern_Western_Iran:Lor
0.08592760 Southern_Caucaus:Georgian_Laz
0.08661484 Egypt:Ancient_Egyptian
0.08789392 Southern_Azerbaijan
0.08789958 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
0.09180210 Central_Iran:Persian_Isfahan
0.09410095 Southern_Iran_Persian_Fars
0.09965861 Northern_Turkey:Turkish_Samsun
0.10208119 South_Turkey:Turkish_Aydin
0.10447166 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany

As i said, in fact they are quite Med shifted, but they still cluster with others MENAs not with Euros.
So nop, they are not White (White = Clust in Europe)

You said It yourself, also they have much genetic cluster with S. E European such as Sicilians, Cretens, Maltese and other S. E European Islander.

They are not pure Arabian like a Saudi and they would be completely out of place with southern groups.

If you don't consider them white than Jesus wasn't a white man, simple as that :thumb001:


Lebanese /Levants/Jews and some Iranians are just desert Caucasoid mediterraneans where you think the Med race originally from?

[chinshen]

I personally think these groups are heavily stereotyped and tbh I would expect many obvious reasons coming from a place like this, also due to being Muslims.



Only half of the Lebanese population is Muslim, the other half is actually Christian. Jews are obviously not Muslims either.
If you want to make a point or win argument, think it well.

[Marshall Theodore]

No, they are exactly what this forum says = browns.

[Jingle Bell]

You said It yourself, also they have much genetic cluster with S. E European such as Sicilians, Cretens, Maltese and other S. E European Islander.

They are not pure Arabian like a Saudi and they would be completely out of place with southern groups.

If you don't consider them white than Jesus wasn't a white man, simple as that :thumb001:


Lebanese /Levants/Jews and some Iranians are just desert Caucasoid mediterraneans where you think the Med race originally from?

Jesus was not white obviously, he was a Judean how can he be white????
The oldest "Med" skull if im not wrong are from some Natufians, but the "Modern Med" phenotype was spread by Anatolian Farmers if Neolithic that cluster with Modern Sardinians and Corsicans
As i showed, they just cluster with others MENA and far from mainly Euros, see the distances.

[Incal]

Only half of the Lebanese population is Muslim, the other half is actually Christian. Jews are obviously not Muslims either.
If you want to make a point or win argument, think it well.

Don't ask so much. Ironically, Mexico received tons of christian lebanese, he should know better since he's "mexican".

[Laredo]

Only half of the Lebanese population is Muslim, the other half is actually Christian. Jews are obviously not Muslims either.
If you want to make a point or win argument, think it well.


Don't ask so much. Ironically, Mexico received tons of christian lebanese, he should know better since he's "mexican".

Well they are majority Muslims, so there's no really point to mention their 1/4 Christian minority.

[happycow]

Many of us are brown. :wavey001: There are even attempts to whitewash us, some attempt to whitewash themselves. But with the departure of Sikeliot there are fewer attempts to make us seem like long lost greeks and italians lol.

[Tooting Carmen]

Many of us are brown. :wavey001: There are even attempts to whitewash us, some attempt to whitewash themselves. But with the departure of Sikeliot there are fewer attempts to make us seem like long lost greeks and italians lol.

If anything, it is Turks and Iranians who are darkwashed, while Jews and Levantines are whitewashed (in part precisely due to Sikeliot's legacy).

[happycow]

If anything, it is Turks and Iranians who are darkwashed, while Jews and Levantines are whitewashed (in part precisely due to Sikeliot's legacy).

Yes that is true.

[placebo]

idk we have syrians in here turkey and they are significantly darker than turks and darker than kurds (their neighbour) tbh. of course they have med-like phenotype but also saudi/semitic-like phenotype is not rare like some people claim imo and lebanese even southern than syrians.

[Laredo]

Many of us are brown. :wavey001: There are even attempts to whitewash us, some attempt to whitewash themselves. But with the departure of Sikeliot there are fewer attempts to make us seem like long lost greeks and italians lol.

Don't go so hard on yourself bro, bown and white are new world concept. Coon didn't even specifify the middle east as a "brown" region. But more like a mediterranean race from the middle east to Iberia, now they are obviously subraces of med Arabid Its a pure east Med phenotype and Gracile med a mountain fresh Med type.

Some Sicilians Maltese and Cretens will say otherwise just to distant from you.


Genetic evidence from Skiloit.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238531-Sicilian-from-Agrigento-GEDmatch-result

[happycow]

Don't go so hard on yourself bro, bown and white are new world concept. Coon didn't even specifify the middle east as a "brown" region. But more like a mediterranean race from the middle east to Iberia, now they are obviously subraces of med Arabid Its a pure east Med phenotype and Gracile med a mountain fresh Med type.

Some Sicilians Maltese and Cretens will say otherwise just to distant from you.


Genetic evidence from Skiloit.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238531-Sicilian-from-Agrigento-GEDmatch-result

Perhaps. At the end of the day many of us are on the darker end of the spectrum. Idk.

[Smeagol]

Jesus was not white obviously, he was a Judean how can he be white????

Ancient Middle Easterners depicted him as white. Pure Med type.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

[chinshen]

Well they are majority Muslims, so there's no really point to mention their 1/4 Christian minority.

How do you know with certainty that only 1/4 of Lebanese are Christians when the last official population census done in Lebanon was in 1932?

[Laredo]

How do you know with certainty that only 1/4 of Lebanese are Christians when the last official population census done in Lebanon was in 1932?

I asked ChatGPT

[chinshen]

Don't ask so much. Ironically, Mexico received tons of christian lebanese, he should know better since he's "mexican".

He thinks that he has the authority to deny the Lebanese Christian diasporas the right to be counted in population demographics while he himself is most likely born in the US for generations yet still considers himself Mexican.

[chinshen]

I asked ChatGPT

That is genius, how can anyone argue with ChatGPT :ranger
So even though the last official census was conducted in 1932, ChatGPT still gave you the magic answer!

[Jingle Bell]

Ancient Middle Easterners depicted him as white. Pure Med type.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

I just consider white who is European or in european genetic cluster, Jesus was a Levantine even with a Med phenotype, i dont consider him white imo

[Laredo]

I just consider white who is European or in european genetic cluster, Jesus was a Levantine even with a Med phenotype, i dont consider him white imo

That's like saying a 77% European latino who has a pure European or Caucasian phenotype isn't White just because you found out he or she has amerindian ancestry but previously you considered white.

That's very dumb to be honest, nobody In the real world are into genetic test they assumed and classified based on how you look.

So bottom line yes In the real world most middle easterns are seen socially as white unless they have obvious SSA admixture but that's more Into Individual cases.

[Jingle Bell]

That's like saying a 77% European latino who has a pure European or Caucasian phenotype isn't White just because you found out he or she has amerindian ancestry but previously you considered white.

That's very dumb to be honest, nobody In the real world are into genetic test they assumed and classified based on how you look.

So bottom line yes In the real world most middle easterns are seen socially as white unless they have obvious SSA admixture but that's more Into Individual cases.

Nope, its not dumb, its logical bcs looks dont mean nothing
A Half Nigerian Half Irish guy that for some reason looks full Northern Euro its whiter than a olive Sicilan? Nope
I dont give a hint abt looks, looks are literally random and many times dont correlates with genotype, which its the important
So a Blond Levantine inst white than a Dark Haired and eyed Swede, bcs Levantines arent in European cluster, so arent whites
I dont care if ppl are not in genetics, looks arent parametres for determinates if x is white or y its mixed

I just consider Black, Caucasoid, Mongoloid or any basal race ppl that are 85%+ part of that race, for example i consider Alnortesul white bcs he is 87% Iberian, even with a residual SSA and Native, but i dont consider a blond, blue eyed and pale Harnizo or Castizo as such.

[Token]

Nope, its not dumb, its logical bcs looks donr mean nothing
Yep, what you can clearly see in materiality doesn't mean anything but the numbers that some random genetic company or software that you found on the internet gave to you, vaguely based on a shitty analysis of a small portion of your genome, means everything. That's very logical.


A Half Nigerian Half Irish guy that for some reason looks full Northern Euro its whiter than a olive Sicilan? Nope
A half Nigerian half Irish will never look northern European.


I dont give a hint abt looks, looks are literally random and many times dont correlates with genotype, which ita the important
Phenotype is the expression of genotype and nothing else. Have you missed the lessons on basic genetics in high school?


I dont care if ppl are not in genetics, looks arent parametres for determinates if x is white or y its brown
The whole point of calling people "white" or "brown" is because they look so. A 18th century Yankee in New England or a hacendado in the Spanish Empire unfortunately didn't have the glorious Global25 calculator made by the Polish-Australian demi-god Davidski, so they invented a form of classification where they called "white" those who were white, i.e people who looked white, and brown those who looked brown.

[Jingle Bell]

Yep, what you can clearly see in materiality doesn't mean anything but the numbers that some random genetic company or software that you found on the internet gave to you, vaguely based on a shitty analysis of a small portion of your genome, means everything. That's very logical.


A half Nigerian half Irish will never look northern European.


Phenotype is the expression of genotype and nothing else. Have you missed the lessons on basic genetics in high school?


The whole point of calling people "white" or "brown" is because they look so. A 18th century Yankee in New England or a hacendado in the Spanish Empire unfortunately didn't have the glorious Global25 calculator made by the Polish-Australian demi-god Davidski, so they invented a form of classification where they called "white" those who were white, i.e people who looked white, and brown those who looked brown.

Oh ok so what u think? That just looks means anything? I dont give a shit abt "Brown" "Black" or "White" categories but i just consider white = european, thats it, but im aswering Laredo, yep its obvious that looks are a reflect of genes, but that dont means that a quadroon will looks like a quadroon or that necessarialy a castizo will looks 3/4 Euro and 1/4 Native, bcs phenotypes are literally random.
So a dark German its a brown and a Euro looking harnizo is white? XD

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324683-Rate-and-classify-a-half-Nigerian-half-Estonian-chad-twink-from-r9k
If that guys cut off his hair he and OP said "Classify German" im pretty sure that everyone would say "Paleo Atlantid", "CM" just by his looks, that makes him white for you? :ranger

So if begin White its just looks European so a bunch of NW Euro lookings Indians with 20% AASI are white as a olive skinned Brit that looks Lebanese? Thats why i dont give a fuck abt for terms such as "White" or "Black" what defines that its just opnion, and IM MY OPNION i prefer use a poor calculator made by "Polish-Australian demi-god Davidski" than just looks at physical traits, why are you trying argue so bad in a subject that its just based in opnion xd

[Token]

Oh ok so what u think? That just looks means anything? I dont give a shit abt "Brown" "Black" or "White" categories but i just consider white = european, thats it, but im aswering Laredo, yep its obvious that looks are a reflect of genes, but that dont means that a quadroon will looks like a quadroon or that necessarialy a castizo will looks 3/4 Euro and 1/4 Native, bcs phenotypes are literally random.
So a dark German its a brown and a Euro looking harnizo is white? XD

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324683-Rate-and-classify-a-half-Nigerian-half-Estonian-chad-twink-from-r9k
If that guys cut off his hair he and OP said "Classify German" im pretty sure that everyone would say "Paleo Atlantid", "CM" just by his looks, that makes him white for you?
Let me sum up: what you can see in the real, material world with your eyes is more important than a couple of dubious numbers on the screen of a computer given to you by a computer software made by an unknown guy or a profit-seeking genetic company. Crazy times we are living in, where this is something non-obvious.

[Avicenna]

Why are people arguing in the comments about looking white etc? Lebanese look middle eastern for the most part , very different to southern Europeans .


https://youtu.be/IRFh7RFYjg8


https://youtu.be/msNkxuO5Ei4

People take a small subclade of southern Europeans who are quite exotic and correlate it with a small subclade of middle easterners who are also exotic ( light ) and conflate the two. In all honesty, those Greeks have very little overlap with west Asians , i just can't see it man .

[Jingle Bell]

Let me sum up: what you can see in the real, material world with your eyes is more important than a couple of dubious numbers on the screen of a computer given to you by a computer software made by an unknown guy or a profit-seeking genetic company. Crazy times we are living in, where this is something non-obvious.

Nah i dont wanna discuss rn abt such as subjective topic but my point its just that looks is a tricky thing that i dont rly trust, i prefer use pseudo-scientifics calcs or a results by a jewish company rather that bases in physical apparence, but i understand ur point so i dont think theres much to discuss here, in sum its just a opnion discussion, im pretty sure that u will not agree with me neither i think ill agree with u, both ways to determine " white" ir " brown" are not precise, but anyway ty for begin polite, at least ur post made me become a bit more critical abt what i see in g25 or 23andme

[happycow]

Why are people arguing in the comments about looking white etc? Lebanese look middle eastern for the most part , very different to southern Europeans .


https://youtu.be/IRFh7RFYjg8


https://youtu.be/msNkxuO5Ei4

People take a small subclade of southern Europeans who are quite exotic and correlate it with a small subclade of middle easterners who are also exotic ( light ) and conflate the two. In all honesty, those Greeks have very little overlap with west Asians , i just can't see it man .

Apparently Jesus is now white so lebanese must be so!!

:rolleyes:

[Annihilus]

Ancient Middle Easterners depicted him as white. Pure Med type.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

lol made in the 6th century

[Annihilus]

can someone tell me what book he is holding?

[Smeagol]

lol made in the 6th century

There are no contemporary depictions of Jesus but this was how Middle Easterners in Late Antiquity thought he looked like.

[Annihilus]

There are no contemporary depictions of Jesus but this was how Middle Easterners in Late Antiquity thought he looked like.

Yeah they also think he is holding a book with a cross that only became a symbol in 4th century. It holds no value whatsoever.

[placebo]

Why are people arguing in the comments about looking white etc? Lebanese look middle eastern for the most part , very different to southern Europeans .


https://youtu.be/IRFh7RFYjg8


https://youtu.be/msNkxuO5Ei4

People take a small subclade of southern Europeans who are quite exotic and correlate it with a small subclade of middle easterners who are also exotic ( light ) and conflate the two. In all honesty, those Greeks have very little overlap with west Asians , i just can't see it man .

they obviously some overlap with anatolians and caucasians maybe not big but also not minor. even some of them have directly ancestor from that places.

[Mingle]

Sort of, people here exaggerate any differences. Lebanese are darkwashed when compared to Southern Europeans, but whitewashed when compared to Peninsular Arabs.

[chinshen]

they obviously some overlap with anatolians and caucasians maybe not big but also not minor. even some of them have directly ancestor from that places.

Probably 5 out of 9 people living in Lebanon are not originally from there.
There are about four million Syrian and one million Palestinian refugees permanently living in the country, in addition to probably another million others from all around the world (Sri Lanka, India, Ethiopia, other Arab countries) Out of around the 9 million people residing there.
So just because someone got interviewed in the street of Lebanon and he or she is speaking Arabic does not mean that they locals.
All the people living there from the other Arabic speaking countries will make anyone watching the video believe that they are native since we can't tell the difference.

[Incal]

idk we have syrians in here turkey and they are significantly darker than turks and darker than kurds (their neighbour) tbh. of course they have med-like phenotype but also saudi/semitic-like phenotype is not rare like some people claim imo and lebanese even southern than syrians.

WE WUZZ DIFFERENT NOTHING WITH MIDDLE EAST!

[placebo]

……

[placebo]

yes we’re genetically different than middle east just like different than europe, thank u for the mentioned that.

[Avicenna]

they obviously some overlap with anatolians and caucasians maybe not big but also not minor. even some of them have directly ancestor from that places.

Greeks have more overlap with western Turks/Georgians /Armenians . This is something I've noticed .

[Avicenna]

Sort of, people here exaggerate any differences. Lebanese are darkwashed when compared to Southern Europeans, but whitewashed when compared to Peninsular Arabs.

Iranics are the most darkwashed though

[Avicenna]

Probably 5 out of 9 people living in Lebanon are not originally from there.
There are about four million Syrian and one million Palestinian refugees permanently living in the country, in addition to probably another million others from all around the world (Sri Lanka, India, Ethiopia, other Arab countries) Out of around the 9 million people residing there.
So just because someone got interviewed in the street of Lebanon and he or she is speaking Arabic does not mean that they locals.
All the people living there from the other Arabic speaking countries will make anyone watching the video believe that they are native since we can't tell the difference.

All the people in the video were Lebanese , there was one lady who looked European and she turned out to be russian. There are also many Lebanese of armenian, Syriac and European descent too . I doubt the Syrian refugees will be walking around half naked like the people in video who mostly seem to be Lebanese Christians .

[Abdelnour]

Yes, but it is a mix of backlash from the whitewashing Sikeliot was doing for god knows how many years and a few posters with agendas.

The thing is, he hasn't posted on this forum in what, 4 years? Why is he still in everyone's mind.

How about lay off Lebanese, and even Levantine people for X number of months and then circle back whether they look Sicilian or Saudi.

[chinshen]

Why are people arguing in the comments about looking white etc? Lebanese look middle eastern for the most part , very different to southern Europeans .


https://youtu.be/IRFh7RFYjg8


https://youtu.be/msNkxuO5Ei4

People take a small subclade of southern Europeans who are quite exotic and correlate it with a small subclade of middle easterners who are also exotic ( light ) and conflate the two. In all honesty, those Greeks have very little overlap with west Asians , i just can't see it man .

I totally agree with you that Lebanese are Middle Eastern people who have very little if any thing to do with Southern Europeans.
We can also say the same about people from Afghanistan who are South Central Asian people who have very little if anything to do with West Asians/Middle Easterners, but some people will disagree and try to prove otherwise.

[chinshen]

All the people in the video were Lebanese , there was one lady who looked European and she turned out to be russian. There are also many Lebanese of armenian, Syriac and European descent too . I doubt the Syrian refugees will be walking around half naked like the people in video who mostly seem to be Lebanese Christians .

I don't know how you came up with your conclusion, but I didn't see how you could tell the the women being Russian while ignoring one of the men clearly saying in English that he is from Ghana (Africa).
WE can also clearly see that the two women wearing hijab were clearly Christians, LOL.

[Avicenna]

I don't know how you came up with your conclusion, but I didn't see how you could tell the the women being Russian while ignoring one of the men clearly saying in English that he is from Ghana (Africa).
WE can also clearly see that the two women wearing hijab were clearly Christians, LOL.

Well I thought the man being black African was a dead giveaway he was foreign?

Yeah hence the term "mostly "

Pay a little more attention

[Avicenna]

I totally agree with you that Lebanese are Middle Eastern people who have very little if any thing to do with Southern Europeans.
We can also say the same about people from Afghanistan who are South Central Asian people who have very little if anything to do with West Asians/Middle Easterners, but some people will disagree and try to prove otherwise.

Sure whatever you say man

But the reality is that those lebanese have more in common with egyptians and Saudis than even greek islanders . Wearing a crop top with a little hair dye doesn't change that .

Afghans are south central Asian . Yes the main ethnic groups are Iranic who share commonalties with west Asians like Iranians and kurds but we are still south central Asian .

[chinshen]

Sure whatever you say man

But the reality is that those lebanese have more in common with egyptians and Saudis than even greek islanders . Wearing a crop top with a little hair dye doesn't change that .



In reality they don't have more in common with Egyptians and Saudis. Have you been to Lebanon?


Sure whatever you say man

Afghans are south central Asian . Yes the main ethnic groups are Iranic who share commonalties with west Asians like Iranians and kurds but we are still south central Asian .

Iran is not the whole of West Asia, but just a part that lies at the crossroads to South and Central Asia.
So basically being related to Iran would not make someone proper West Asian per say. Actually that might be a reason why some people claim that Iranians do not look typical West Asian especially from the extreme east and South of Iran who resemble more South and South Central Asians than other West Asians (For sure that does not apply to the Western and Northern parts Of Iran).

[chinshen]

Well I thought the man being black African was a dead giveaway he was foreign?

Yeah hence the term "mostly "

Pay a little more attention

I don't know which of us two is more selective in paying attention to things when they don't fit his narratives!
Hint, it is not me for sure.

[Avicenna]

In reality they don't have more in common with Egyptians and Saudis. Have you been to Lebanon?



Iran is not the whole of West Asia, but just a part that lies at the crossroads to South and Central Asia.
So basically being related to Iran would not make someone proper West Asian per say. Actually that might be a reason why some people claim that Iranians do not look typical West Asian especially from the extreme east and South of Iran who resemble more South and South Central Asians than other West Asians (For sure that does not apply to the Western and Northern parts Of Iran).

You have just contradicted yourself. Are Saudis and Egyptians not middle eastners ? Did you just not claim that Lebanese are a middle eastern people who have very little to do with Southern Europeans ?

I've been to Egypt and I can tell you its not much different to Lebanon .

Again let's take a look shall we


https://youtu.be/dVWjjRR9Z64


https://youtu.be/iBYX7mXfirc


https://youtu.be/IRFh7RFYjg8


The proof is in the pudding.

Don't know why you are bringing afghans into this but hey, I guess I'm the one being selective with my "agendas".

[Tooting Carmen]

You have just contradicted yourself. Are Saudis and Egyptians not middle eastners ? Did you just not claim that Lebanese are a middle eastern people who have very little to do with Southern Europeans ?

I've been to Egypt and I can tell you its not much different to Lebanon .

Again let's take a look shall we


https://youtu.be/dVWjjRR9Z64


https://youtu.be/iBYX7mXfirc


https://youtu.be/IRFh7RFYjg8


The proof is in the pudding.

Don't know why you are bringing afghans into this but hey, I guess I'm the one being selective with my "agendas".

Lebanese are clearly MENA, but this doesn't mean they are anything like identical to Egyptians, who have a lot more SSA admixture.

[Avicenna]

Lebanese are clearly MENA, but this doesn't mean they are anything like identical to Egyptians, who have a lot more SSA admixture.

I never claimed they were identical to egyptians. What's with this forum and creating strawman arguments and red herrings?

They certainly have more in common with egyptians than Greeks . Are people forgetting Egyptian copts as well?

[RogueState]

There is a general agenda by Ashkenazi Jews to distant themselves from "White Europeans" and to exaggerate their "exoticness (i.e. darkwashing)" in order to be part of the newly privileged "People of Color" category in our current politically-correct liberal leftist times; while being at the same time, in practice, at the top level of social domination (i.e. wealthiest, most intelligent, most powerful ethnic group in the US and in the West in general).

In other words, to have it both ways.

[placebo]

I never claimed they were identical to egyptians. What's with this forum and creating strawman arguments and red herrings?

They certainly have more in common with egyptians than Greeks . Are people forgetting Egyptian copts as well?

it's a bit exaggration imo for example a syrian more closer to greek islander than egyptian or saudi imo.

[placebo]

it's a bit exaggration imo for example a syrian more closer to greek islander than egyptian or saudi imo.

even palestinians still more closer let alone syrians.

[chinshen]

You have just contradicted yourself. Are Saudis and Egyptians not middle eastners ? Did you just not claim that Lebanese are a middle eastern people who have very little to do with Southern Europeans ?

I've been to Egypt and I can tell you its not much different to Lebanon .


Yes, I did say that Lebanese are Middle easterners that didn't have much to do with Southern Europeans, but I did not contradict myself.

Yes Saudi's are Middle Easterners, but are very mixed with people from East Africa and to a lesser degree South Asia therefore are not the best representatives of the typical West Asian/Middle Eastern populations.

No, Egyptians are not Middle Easterners, but North Africans.


And NO, Egypt is indeed very different from Lebanon, both topographically and its people.
Egypt is mostly desert with North African DNA while Lebanon is mostly green Alpine mountains with Middle Eastern DNA.

[Avicenna]

it's a bit exaggration imo for example a syrian more closer to greek islander than egyptian or saudi imo.

Nah bro I don't know where people are living but my eyes don't lie . Lebanese and Egyptians let alone Palestinians are closer to them , people really have a distorted reality . I've seen so many diaspora egyptians and Palestinians together celebrating Arab whatever and I can't tell the difference between them . This is absurd. Not all egyptians , especially from the north look ssa admixed. People really need to go out more .

[Avicenna]

Yes, I did say that Lebanese are Middle easterners that didn't have much to do with Southern Europeans, but I did not contradict myself.

Yes Saudi's are Middle Easterners, but are very mixed with people from East Africa and to a lesser degree South Asia therefore are not the best representatives of the typical West Asian/Middle Eastern populations.

No, Egyptians are not Middle Easterners, but North Africans.


And NO, Egypt is indeed very different from Lebanon, both topographically and its people.
Egypt is mostly desert with North African DNA while Lebanon is mostly green Alpine mountains with Middle Eastern DNA.

Lol sure buddy , I think I've seen enough.You are talking about climate and environment when I was talking about phenotypes. Or I dunno , how about the fact Lebanon and Egypt both share the same ethno identity of being Arab? I've seen so many curly haired lebbos especially on these tiktok platforms that I have mistook for egyptians. Lol

[Avicenna]

even palestinians still more closer let alone syrians.

Palestinians


https://youtu.be/PK0EWfNsouA

let's ask Greeks and Egyptians who they feel these people resemble no?

[Tooting Carmen]

There is a general agenda by Ashkenazi Jews to distant themselves from "White Europeans" and to exaggerate their "exoticness (i.e. darkwashing)" in order to be part of the newly privileged "People of Color" category in our current politically-correct liberal leftist times; while being at the same time, in practice, at the top level of social domination (i.e. wealthiest, most intelligent, most powerful ethnic group in the US and in the West in general).

In other words, to have it both ways.

I disagree - as with many other ethnic groups for that matter, Jews like to overstate their lightness, especially when it comes to media personalities (both in the US and Israel itself). After all, in the real world I am sure many more Jews resemble Eugene Levy than Michael Bolton, but do their celebrities reflect this?

[chinshen]

Lol sure buddy , I think I've seen enough.You are talking about climate and environment when I was talking about phenotypes. Or I dunno , how about the fact Lebanon and Egypt both share the same ethno identity of being Arab? I've seen so many curly haired lebbos especially on these tiktok platforms that I have mistook for egyptians. Lol

I already said that Egyptians have North African DNA while Lebanese have Middle Eastern.

Climate & topography also have an effect on human phenotype.

I think you are deliberately forgetting that I said about 5 out of 9 people currently living in Lebanon are not originally from there.

[Laredo]

There is a general agenda by Ashkenazi Jews to distant themselves from "White Europeans" and to exaggerate their "exoticness (i.e. darkwashing)" in order to be part of the newly privileged "People of Color" category in our current politically-correct liberal leftist times; while being at the same time, in practice, at the top level of social domination (i.e. wealthiest, most intelligent, most powerful ethnic group in the US and in the West in general).

In other words, to have it both ways.

This Is mind blowing, never thought about It the way Is there any solid evidence to back up this? I'm not desputing but I do think it's very Interesting.

[Avicenna]

I already said that Egyptians have North African DNA while Lebanese have Middle Eastern.

Climate & topography also have an effect on human phenotype.

I think you are deliberately forgetting that I said about 5 out of 9 people currently living in Lebanon are not originally from there.

That's not necessarily true since both groups derive their ancestries from similar sources but in difftent amounts . Northern egyptians like those from Alexandria are very similar to levantines. You are taking one extreme of Egyptians who are SSA admixed and conflating it with one extreme end of lebbos who are very med . How is that any different to people who do that with southern Europeans?

Are you claiming that lebs don't have any north African DNA? Or at the very least share similarities with them?

https://i.ibb.co/L871rbk/Screenshot-20230318-095357.jpg (https://ibb.co/1LWTMhv)

Again red herrings regrading climate and topography .

5 out of 9? Wow really ? So 55% Sherlock? Meaning lebbos are a minorty in their own country? Based on that statistic can you prove this? Can you reflect this in the that video where I'm pretty sure the vast majority are Lebanese . It seems because they don't seem as white as you thought they were , they MUST be Palestinians or Syrians refugees lmao . Yes yes , because Palestinian refugees will be walking around in crop tops enjoying the Lebanese sun.

Bro, you have seriously discredited yourself . End of convo

[chinshen]

That's not necessarily true since both groups derive their ancestries from similar sources but in difftent amounts . Northern egyptians like those from Alexandria are very similar to levantines. You are taking one extreme of Egyptians who are SSA admixed and conflating it with one extreme end of lebbos who are very med . How is that any different to people who do that with southern Europeans?

Are you claiming that lebs don't have any north African DNA? Or at the very least share similarities with them?

https://i.ibb.co/L871rbk/Screenshot-20230318-095357.jpg (https://ibb.co/1LWTMhv)

Again red herrings regrading climate and topography .

5 out of 9? Wow really ? So 55% Sherlock? Meaning lebbos are a minorty in their own country? Based on that statistic can you prove this? Can you reflect this in the that video where I'm pretty sure the vast majority are Lebanese . It seems because they don't seem as white as you thought they were , they MUST be Palestinians or Syrians refugees lmao . Yes yes , because Palestinian refugees will be walking around in crop tops enjoying the Lebanese sun.

Bro, you have seriously discredited yourself . End of convo

Stop talking none sense just to justify your agenda. Both populations are not derived from the same source, unless you are talking vaguely which would apply to most human populations.
Alexandria was founded by the Greeks around 332B.C, since then and continuously it has had a very large Greek community until the late 1960 when the Greeks were expelled by the Egyptian government of the time. So if anything after 2500 years of coexistence the people of Alexandria would have had more affinity to Greeks not Lebanese.

Yes, Lebanese with all of their religious denominations are slightly less than 50% of the population in their own country,
It has nothing with looking white, brown or green, that is all in your mind. Who and what will prevent Palestinians, Syrians or anyone else for that matter from from walking around in crop tops or any other attire of their choice, after all Lebanon is a relatively open country with NO mandate to wear burqas.

[Avicenna]

Stop talking none sense just to justify your agenda. Both populations are not derived from the same source, unless you are talking vaguely which would apply to most human populations.
Alexandria was founded by the Greeks around 332B.C, since then and continuously it has had a very large Greek community until the late 1960 when the Greeks were expelled by the Egyptian government of the time. So if anything after 2500 years of coexistence the people of Alexandria would have had more affinity to Greeks not Lebanese.

Yes, Lebanese with all of their religious denominations are slightly less than 50% of the population in their own country,
It has nothing with looking white, brown or green, that is all in your mind. Who and what will prevent Palestinians, Syrians or anyone else for that matter from from walking around in crop tops or any other attire of their choice, after all Lebanon is a relatively open country with NO mandate to wear burqas.

Again provide your evidence and sources to show me 5 out of 9 people in Lebanon are non lebs.

The Alexandria paragraph was so unecessary I ain't even gonna comment on that.

[chinshen]

Again provide your evidence and sources to show me 5 out of 9 people in Lebanon are non lebs.

The Alexandria paragraph was so unecessary I ain't even gonna comment on that.

Of course you will not comment, because deep inside you know it is true.

But, wait, I will give you 5 minutes and I am sure you will come up with some other none sense reply.

[Avicenna]

even palestinians still more closer let alone syrians.

Lebanese u20 woman's football team

Do they look closer to egyptians or Greeks?

https://i.ibb.co/X80TTjn/Screenshot-20230318-214107.jpg (https://ibb.co/L5jffYT)

[Pulsa Dinura]

5 out of 9? Wow really ? So 55% Sherlock? Meaning lebbos are a minorty in their own country? Based on that statistic can you prove this?

"The number of Syrian refugees has peaked to 2 million and recent estimates put it at 1.5 million. This doesn’t account for the estimated 600,000 Palestinian refugees and 100,000 Iraqi refugees.

Lebanon’s population is estimated at 5 million – which means refugees represent an equivalent of 50% of the Lebanese population."

https://www.the961.com/lebanon-is-finally-adopting-strategies-to-deal-with-the-syrian-refugee-crisis-here-are-the-details/

[Scar95]

Jews are, lebanese arent(they're uniformly dark).

[Cassidy1234]

There are no contemporary depictions of Jesus but this was how Middle Easterners in Late Antiquity thought he looked like.

Well, you can look at the genetically isolated groups of the Levant to get an idea how Jesus would have looked like:
https://i.ibb.co/df92m8c/Maronite-Cypriots-traditional-costume.png
https://i.ibb.co/QbPbFFJ/Maronites.webp
https://i.ibb.co/4VMbqpX/60273488-000145774-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZYZVCTz/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/H4rbGYp/DRUZE.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/0hrLDzH/druz-1.jpg

In other words, Jesus would have been racially East-Med, nor say Arabid(orientalid) and etc.
https://i.ibb.co/s6j2DD8/eba31i6t0ux61.png

[happycow]

Lebanese u20 woman's football team

Do they look closer to egyptians or Greeks?

https://i.ibb.co/X80TTjn/Screenshot-20230318-214107.jpg (https://ibb.co/L5jffYT)

At the end of the day we are not egyptians. So please do not compare us to them. :)