Germany: Muslim celebrity deliberately infected men with HIV

[Lenny]

A woman of half-Moroccan, half-Bosnian ethnic background--apparently part of some music group in Germany I'd never heard of called "No Angels"--has been arrested for infecting several men with HIV.:mad:

Nadja Benaissa;
"German" HIV-carrier and HIV-spreader
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3931/n597527216662686.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=Nadja Benaissa


A pop star who has sold more than five million records has been accused of deliberately infecting several sexual partners with the HIV virus.

Nadja Benaissa from German girl group No Angels was arrested in Frankfurt on Saturday just hours before she was to give a solo performance, The Times has reported.

She was remanded in custody on “urgent suspicion that the accused had unprotected sexual intercourse with three people in the years 2004 and 2006 without telling them beforehand that she was HIV positive", according to the public prosecutor's office in Darmstadt.

At least one man has been confirmed to have been infected with the virus and a judge ruled there was danger she could repeat her alleged offence.

The 26-year-old mother of one faces 10 years in jail if found guilty.

Benaissa, became an overnight celebrity when No Angels — a pop group modelled on the Spice Girls — won reality TV talent show Popstars in 2000.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/801339/pop-star-infected-partners-with-hiv

[Birka]

I wonder if the men were Muslim.

[Beorn]

It's cases like these, where the suspicion of re-offending is particularly strong, that I would wholeheartedly go against my usual stance against capital punishment.

String her up from the highest lamp post.

[Lenny]

HIV-spreading celebrity lashes out at police for arresting her
Published: 2 Sep 09 14:30 CET

Five months after she was arrested on suspicion of infecting her lovers with HIV, No Angels singer Nadja Benaissa had harsh words for the German police and media.

“What happened was wrong,” she told the press, when speaking of her arrest by police and treatment in the media. “It is almost a bit mediaeval what they did to me.”

“Such a forced outing is something that should never happen,” she said. Ironically, the publicizing of her crime probably kept her out of jail, at least for now:

Prosecutors had originally wanted to keep Benaissa in jail, arguing she posed a threat to the public because she had allegedly had unprotected sex with several men without telling them she was HIV positive.

After days of the media spreading the news, it was pointed out that Benaissa's high-profile arrest negated the police argument since the entire country was aware she had the virus that can lead to AIDS.

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090902-21653.html
http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article4446992/No-Angel-Nadja-Benaissa-kritisiert-Zwangsouting.html

[Jimbo Gomez]

She did nothing that warrants such a stern punishment. If you're going to have unprotected sex with such a whore you know the risk of an infection always exists. Each of those men knew they were taking a risk. It would be different if there'd be proof that she lied to them and said she was clean according to a recent test that she took, while she wasn't. I doubt such evidence exists though.

If such a whore opens her legs for you and doesn't insist on using protection, you KNOW she has opened them for God knows how many other men too, probably without protection as well. People shouldn't go crying to the government because their own stupidity comes back to bite them in the ass.

[Osweo]

She did nothing that warrants such a stern punishment. If you're going to have unprotected sex with such a whore you know the risk of an infection always exists. Each of those men knew they were taking a risk. It would be different if there'd be proof that she lied to them and said she was clean according to a recent test that she took, while she wasn't. I doubt such evidence exists though.

If such a whore opens her legs for you and doesn't insist on using protection, you KNOW she has opened them for God knows how many other men too, probably without protection as well. People shouldn't go crying to the government because their own stupidity comes back to bite them in the ass.
I wholeheartedly agree that casual sex is madness, and that people are disgustingly stupid in their sexual behaviour, especially with foreigners (the risk of this activity is shockingly swept under the carpet) but such malicious behaviour is pure manslaughter.

I wouldn't dream of even speaking to such a creature, and yet I am still put at risk by her antics, if a lover has slept with a man who slept with a woman who slept with a man who slept with her, and so on. And the risk of infection by other means is also increased, such as through blood transfusions etc. She deserves punishment. Perhaps even drastic stuff that stops her libido for good or similar - easier for a man, than a woman, I suppose, but something to think about.

[Cato]

Give her up to the local outfit of mullahs; they'll know how to properly treat a Muslim whore.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Clearly the offender should either be rendered down and turned into biofuel or freeze dried and used as insulation material.

Either way, she can at least be of some use to humanity.

Thank you.

[Humanophage]

So much for Muslim 'high morals'. Still, one might argue that someone like this is more adequate than the usual Islamist. It is curious that in spite of being part-European and part-Maghrebian, her features point at some Negroid heritage.

[Absinthe]

She did nothing that warrants such a stern punishment. If you're going to have unprotected sex with such a whore you know the risk of an infection always exists. Each of those men knew they were taking a risk. It would be different if there'd be proof that she lied to them and said she was clean according to a recent test that she took, while she wasn't. I doubt such evidence exists though.

If such a whore opens her legs for you and doesn't insist on using protection, you KNOW she has opened them for God knows how many other men too, probably without protection as well. People shouldn't go crying to the government because their own stupidity comes back to bite them in the ass.
:thumbs

Hello?! :fponder: The voice of reason :clap2:

[Óttar]

:thumbs
Hello?! :fponder: The voice of reason :clap2:
:mad:

If you have AIDS and you knowingly infect other people, you are a murderer plain and simple. These people are the most dispicable kind, and they should be dealt with brutally. People never seem to run out of excuses for why a woman shouldn't be held responsible. The men who had unprotected sex may have been stupid, but that still doesn't make her anything else than a murderer.

[Mesrine]

So much for Muslim 'high morals'.

LOL, where did she say she was religious? People aren't necessarily stuck with the religious background of their ancestors (thank god for that :D).

BTW she's super hot, no wonder she tricked so many folks.

http://i31.tinypic.com/s4rjth.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/f0oly0.jpg

[Sol Invictus]

Hang her. She's a biohazard.

[Mesrine]

Hang her. She's a biohazard.

Nah, wearing condoms will be enough. :D

[Nodens]

One of the few things I agreed with Huckabee on: mandatory screening and quarantine.

As punishment, solitary confinement without access to medical treatment.

[Absinthe]

:mad:

If you have AIDS and you knowingly infect other people, you are a murderer plain and simple. These people are the most dispicable kind, and they should be dealt with brutally. People never seem to run out of excuses for why a woman shouldn't be held responsible. The men who had unprotected sex may have been stupid, but that still doesn't make her anything else than a murderer.
Well honey, in my book it's 1/2 your own fault and 1/2 the fault of the guy who has sex with you without a condom.

We're talking about consenting adults here. And I'm sure she didn't "rape" them ;)

[Skandi]

No if you do it while knowing that you have AIDS then you are deliberately killing people, that is murder. Yes they were stupid, but that does not excuse them, if I walk down a street alone and am murdered, is it my fault because I did not take precautions?

[Absinthe]

if I walk down a street alone and am murdered, is it my fault because I did not take precautions?

Bad analogy: that would be the equivalent of her attacking and raping them ;)

She is a criminal but they were also consenting adults, they could have as well avoided the tragedy they brought upon themselves.

Just for once, I wish citizens would become more responsible of their own actions and not run to the nanny-state for help everytime their stupidity backfires at them, like Jimbo said.

[Lenny]

:mad:

If you have AIDS and you knowingly infect other people, you are a murderer plain and simple. These people are the most dispicable kind, and they should be dealt with brutally. People never seem to run out of excuses for why a woman shouldn't be held responsible. The men who had unprotected sex may have been stupid, but that still doesn't make her anything else than a murderer.
There are occasionally stories of HIV-infected men who deliberately prey on young women, soon enough sweet-talking them to bed-- the nihilistic aim being to spread HIV to as many as possible.

There is a universal condemnation of, and outrage at, this behavior. It hits somewhere deep in our spirit, inspiring normally-passive men to bloodlust against this "inhuman scum".

This reaction is normal. But it does not occur (nearly as much) when the deliberately-spreading offender is a woman. See this thread for instance.

In my view, this points to chivalric instincts-- we are very hesitant to give any blame to a woman for her behavior. It is always the man's fault: "If these men had sex with her, it is their own fault for being stupid and promiscuous." One cannot imagine such a callous reaction to the newly-HIV-infected women who caught the virus from one of the males mentioned in the first sentence of this post.

And yet women have much more power in the realm of sexuality. They decide whether sex will take place.


This discussion is moot, though, because so few HIV-infections among Europeans occur via heterosexual contact:
Only 1.2% of the million U.S. men infected with HIV acquired it from heterosexual sex (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20325&postcount=18)

[Lenny]

I wholeheartedly agree that casual sex is madness, and that people are disgustingly stupid in their sexual behaviour, especially with foreigners (the risk of this activity is shockingly swept under the carpet) but such malicious behaviour is pure manslaughter.

I wouldn't dream of even speaking to such a creature, and yet I am still put at risk by her antics, if a lover has slept with a man who slept with a woman who slept with a man who slept with her, and so on. And the risk of infection by other means is also increased, such as through blood transfusions etc. She deserves punishment. Perhaps even drastic stuff that stops her libido for good or similar - easier for a man, than a woman, I suppose, but something to think about.
Oswiu is right.

The real culprit -of course- is the poisoned nature of modern western MTV-pornography-SexintheCity culture, that aggressively promotes promiscuity.

But in light of that, as Oswiu says it is even more imperative than otherwise to severely punish those who deliberately infect others.

When a military unit is conducting a retreat maneuver, fighting hard and with steely determination takes on an importance far greater than when the front is static.

[Óttar]

I know someone who justifies just about every female murderer by saying they were abused by men. Now who is the one not taking responsibility for their actions?

If you knowingly infect someone with AIDS, you are a murderer. It's like feeding someone poisoned food. Not all murders have to be carried out forcefully and violently.

On a semi-relevant macrocosmic note, what Lenny says is true. Women wield an incredible amount of power. Women's power is sexual. This power is the great equalizer. Women's power is in the private sphere. It is out of sight, and it is because of this that it escapes ridicule. It is like an Empress with an invisible hand, pulling the strings of the boy regent. The regent takes the fall, not the puppet mistress behind the scenes. Women wage conflict and destroy covertly, they do not usually engage in conflict directly. This covert antagonism is dishonorable. Just look at how women go about delegitimizing their rivals. It is always done by social disenfranchisement and covert treachery.

[Gooding]

Hand the AIDS ridden cumbasket to the government of Iran for punishment.I believe their discipline involves her being wrapped up in a sheet and lowered into a hole with a mob of people throwing big rocks at her while she's going down and then subsequently buried alive.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Hand the AIDS ridden cumbasket to the government of Iran for punishment.I believe their discipline involves her being wrapped up in a sheet and lowered into a hole with a mob of people throwing big rocks at her while she's going down and then subsequently buried alive.

You're of European stock, one would assume you'd be more civilized than a bloodthirsty mob of smelly swarthy middle eastern moslems.

[The Lawspeaker]

You're of European stock, one would assume you'd be more civilized than a bloodthirsty mob of smelly swarthy middle eastern moslems.
Good point. Having her hanged would be good enough.

[Revenant]

Those guys must've been pretty hard up for it, by the looks of her.

[ikki]

http://volubrjotr.com/2009/08/23/islamic-pedophile-mass-wedding-in-gaza/ obvioulsy with mussies, they need to be caught young... and locked up.

[Gooding]

You're of European stock, one would assume you'd be more civilized than a bloodthirsty mob of smelly swarthy middle eastern moslems.

Good point.The point I was trying to make was that as a barbarian, she should be punished as a barbarian by barbarians.She's not a German, although she lives in Germany and has murdered Germans. A simple hanging? Too quick.She damned those men to a lingering death through her spite and she should experience some kind of rough consequence through her actions. She killed a crowd of men, let a crowd of her own kind of men return the favor.

[Troll's Puzzle]

Bad analogy: that would be the equivalent of her attacking and raping them ;)

She is a criminal but they were also consenting adults, they could have as well avoided the tragedy they brought upon themselves.

Just for once, I wish citizens would become more responsible of their own actions and not run to the nanny-state for help everytime their stupidity backfires at them, like Jimbo said.

The purpose of laws is not only to protect citizenry, but to punish immoral acts. Are you going to claim her act was not immoral?
re. 'consenting', would they have consented if she had told them she had a deadly disease? or are you oging to say she shouldn't have to :rolleyes:

if Abdul burgles 100 houses, should the court throw out the case if the people didn't protect their property well enough? 'ok abdul, you've robbed 100's of people, but it's their fault as well for not locking their windows. They shouldn't rely on the state to protect them. So you go free'. I think you've been reading too much libertardian propaganda about the 'nanny state' etc

finally, sex impulse is very strong instinct, I think if someone wants to consider 'nature' holy and social darwinism as a world view, they should take those into consideration. For instance, rich men will have a lot of 'unprotected affairs' and offspring, more than a poor man. Likewise, a visually attractive woman (which is the case here?). This is both natural instinct and social darwinism in effect. In fact, I doubt any of us would be here if it wasn't for a 'fling' or two or three in the pat of our family trees. Even when there were strong religous rules against it (why were these rules 'needed', do you thinkn?). Never mind today when there are no rules (remarks about MTV, sex in advertising etc. taken on board ;))

[Absinthe]

I did not say she is totally innocent :rolleyes: Of course she committed and immoral act.

But talking about immorality, I also consider interracial sex to be immoral. ;)

Worst yet, when a German decides to have sex, and unprotected sex at that!, with a swarthy Muslim celebrity, there should be a bold sign over the bed saying "Enter at your own risk".

I hope you understand what I'm saying.

[Troll's Puzzle]

I did not say she is totally innocent :rolleyes: Of course she committed and immoral act.

But talking about immorality, I also consider interracial sex to be immoral. ;)

Worst yet, when a German decides to have sex, and unprotected sex at that!, with a swarthy Muslim celebrity, there should be a bold sign over the bed saying "Enter at your own risk".

I hope you understand what I'm saying.

Sure ;)

I jost don't think it's a nanny-state thing to punnish the offender though :P

[Absinthe]

Oh no, the offender should be punished!

What I object to is the portrayal of this woman as some kind of she-devil that lured all those *totally innocent* men into having unprotected sex with her. Because they're equally responsible for bringing it upon themselves. That's what I've been saying all along.

[Absinthe]

In my view, this points to chivalric instincts-- we are very hesitant to give any blame to a woman for her behavior. It is always the man's fault: "If these men had sex with her, it is their own fault for being stupid and promiscuous."

Yes? :cool: I don't think so! :wink

I am willing to bet, that if it was a black man infecting white women with HIV, we'd get a load of reactions like

"the bloody race-mixing whores asked for it",

"serves them right for spreading their legs for a n***"

etc...

I am not just saying this, I am saying this because there has been discussions like this in the past and this was the most popular reaction. :wink

[Skandi]

Oh no, the offender should be punished!

What I object to is the portrayal of this woman as some kind of she-devil that lured all those *totally innocent* men into having unprotected sex with her. Because they're equally responsible for bringing it upon themselves. That's what I've been saying all along.

I think that she should be perceived as such, and that the punishment should be to remove all of her drugs and then make her sit in jail for the rest of her life. The men have their punishments already, and any who escaped will know how lucky they are.

If she went out of her way to infect them then she definitely is a "she-devil" it is quite possible to get a man who isn't really interested to sleep with you, they don't normally need much encouragement.

[Jimbo Gomez]

The purpose of laws is not only to protect citizenry, but to punish immoral acts. Are you going to claim her act was not immoral?
re. 'consenting', would they have consented if she had told them she had a deadly disease? or are you oging to say she shouldn't have to :rolleyes:

if Abdul burgles 100 houses, should the court throw out the case if the people didn't protect their property well enough? 'ok abdul, you've robbed 100's of people, but it's their fault as well for not locking their windows. They shouldn't rely on the state to protect them. So you go free'. I think you've been reading too much libertardian propaganda about the 'nanny state' etc

finally, sex impulse is very strong instinct, I think if someone wants to consider 'nature' holy and social darwinism as a world view, they should take those into consideration. For instance, rich men will have a lot of 'unprotected affairs' and offspring, more than a poor man. Likewise, a visually attractive woman (which is the case here?). This is both natural instinct and social darwinism in effect. In fact, I doubt any of us would be here if it wasn't for a 'fling' or two or three in the pat of our family trees. Even when there were strong religous rules against it (why were these rules 'needed', do you thinkn?). Never mind today when there are no rules (remarks about MTV, sex in advertising etc. taken on board ;))

Abdul's victims did not consent to have him in their house. This woman's 'victims' willingly accepted the risk of infection, the analogy is flawed.

Of course the sex drive is strong, we're all adults here so none of us will really debate that part. But following your instincts without giving it any thoughts can be dangerous, as these men proved. If they had bothered to use a condom they could have had sex with her, without contracting AIDS. Why didn't they do it? because the experience is better without one. So they traded off protection for added pleasure.

You win some, you lose some. They lost.

[Absinthe]

If she went out of her way to infect them then she definitely is a "she-devil" it is quite possible to get a man who isn't really interested to sleep with you, they don't normally need much encouragement.

I somehow doubt that she went "out of her way" to infect them. Or that any of those men "wasn't really interested".

You know how men are, most of them would hump anything that moves, let alone an exotic, voluptuous "celebrities", the type of which is constantly advertised by the media.

Who would not sleep with Beyonce, for example? If we even have men in our preservationist forum that are honest enough to admit that they are attracted to darker, exotic women, then imagine the average "non-racially" aware men out there who would readily drop their pants for any "exotic candy".

Moreover, this type of semi-celebrity women are most usually what we call in Greece "a luxury hooker", and lots of idiots would pay amounts of money and go out of their way to sleep with them just to fullfill a "spotlight fetish" or to flaunt to their buddies that they slept with a local celebrity.

In any case, anyone having unprotected sex with a stranger, let alone a celebrity who's certainly been around the block more often than regular women, is playing with fire.

I am not saying that this woman is innocent or less despicable than what you suggest her of being.

I am saying that those men should not receive a sympathetic pat on the back. They are race-mixing idiots and they got what they deserved. :coffee:

[lei.talk]

I somehow doubt that she went "out of her way" to infect them. Or that any of those men "wasn't really interested".

You know how men are, most of them would hump anything that moves, let alone an exotic, voluptuous "celebrities", the type of which is constantly advertised by the media.

Who would not sleep with Beyonce, for example? If we even have men in our preservationist forum that are honest enough to admit that they are attracted to darker, exotic women, then imagine the average "non-racially" aware men out there who would readily drop their pants for any "exotic candy".

Moreover, this type of semi-celebrity women are most usually what we call in Greece "a luxury hooker", and lots of idiots would pay amounts of money and go out of their way to sleep with them just to fullfill a "spotlight fetish" or to flaunt to their buddies that they slept with a local celebrity.

In any case, anyone having unprotected sex with a stranger, let alone a celebrity who's certainly been around the block more often than regular women, is playing with fire.

I am not saying that this woman is innocent or less despicable than what you suggest her of being.

I am saying that those men should not receive a sympathetic pat on the back. They are race-mixing idiots and they got what they deserved. :coffee:hopefully, an inaccurate evaluation of the male members. :coffee: (blech! coffee, again?)





addendum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry)

[Troll's Puzzle]

Abdul's victims did not consent to have him in their house. This woman's 'victims' willingly accepted the risk of infection, the analogy is flawed.

I don't agree that it is flawed. Everytime I leave my house, say for a holiday, I accept there is a very increased risk it might be burgled by Abdul. I don't consent to that, though.

These men would not have consented or persude had they known she had HIV (full disclosure). There are laws about that kind of thing with regard to sales and marketing (which is a comparable field of enterpreneur :wink). Those laws are for a reason. You can't say 'with ever purchase you accept risk of buying a dodgy product with no chance of copensation if you were misled'. (well you can, but I woudn't agree :wink)
every time someone has sex, they expose themselves to that risk, even if they think their partner is trustworthy. The only way to be sure is to be a one-person relationship. (and even then, both parites don't KNOW 100% sure their partner hasn't gone behind their back, and picked up something nasty); and, I think such relationships have been a minority in history.

more to the point, the law does not and noone would criminalize someone who infected unknowingly with HIV due to a fling. Their loss indeed.

Deliberate infection, is another matter though.


hopefully, an inaccurate evaluation of the male members. :coffee: (blech! coffee, again?)

you haven't read the 'beautiful european :rolleyes: women' thread, then :icon12:

[Jimbo Gomez]

Having sex isn't a crime, breaking and entering a house is. Be definition, you can't agree to be burgled, because you'll have invited the guy in then.

My guess is, she got the disease the same way her guys did, by having unprotected sex with somebody she trusted to be clean, because 'who would be so callous as to risk infecting a person with AIDS without telling them?'. This is probably a woman who knows she's been sentenced to death for one evening of horny stupidity, and who has zero compassion for people who are as stupid as she was. I bet if one of the guys she's about to go to bed with would flat out ask her if she has an STD she would answer him in truth.

What goes through her mind when she has unprotected sex? Probably something like 'if you're too stupid to protect yourself when you're nailing a complete stranger, don't expect any kindness from me. Lord knows I wasn't given any either.' And she's 100% right. I agree with Absinthe that the guys who sleep with her are race traitors (although, truth be told, I wouldn't kick a levantine woman with her physique out of my bed either), but the fact that she's morrocan is irrelevant here. You'll find plenty of European women with the same warped disregard for human life.

[Jäger]

Having sex isn't a crime, breaking and entering a house is.
Knowingly hiding the information of an infectious disease is a crime. The consent was to risk the unknowing, the same goes for leaving the house, you know there is a risk, you consent to take that risk.
The analogy is valid.
Philosophically speaking, there is NOT ANY action that has been caused by a single individual, or thing. Mono-causality is a mere abstract concept for simplification.

I agree that she is not the only one to blame, but again, how is calling for her punishment, a reference to a nanny-state?

[Gwynyvyr]

A few years ago there was a case in the US (New York state, I think)...a black guy. He went out of his way and put a lot of effort into infecting white girls with HIV.
The younger the better...I believe his youngest victim was 14. None were over 19.
He got some drunk, drugged others, some consented, some did not.
Last count of his victims was 25 or 26, I believe.
I thought he would get the death penalty, but , it being NY, he did not.
He admitted in court to what he did and that he only chose young white girls "because they deserve it".

Being harsh here...but wouldn't it be common sense to have those who are positive with HIV to have a tattoo (where only someone that was intimate with them would see)?
I know those young girls in NY wouldn't have had a chance, nor would the victim of an infected rapist, but I think in cases such as the one of the woman in the article, it would help.

I have seen several articles where members of the gay community in the US VOLUNTARILY get such tattoos after being tested positive. They consider it "responsible behavior", since, if they are drunk or using drugs and get "caught up in the moment" they may not have the mental acuity to inform a partner.

Two people that I loved very much died of AIDs. One got it through a blood transfusion---it was before they figured out how to test the blood supplies. The other got it through unprotected sex.
Both died horribly and in great anguish. It is not a death I would wish upon anyone.

[Frigga]

Gwyn, a tattoo is a really good idea. I support that wholeheartedly. Maybe a type of serial number for authenticy on the tattoo?

[The Lawspeaker]

I have been wondering. HIV-AIDS would not be such a tremendous problem is it wasn't for foreigners. In the Netherlands (pop 16.5 million) some 18.000/20.000 people have been infected and more then half of those are foreign. Also high risk groups are homosexuals, bisexuals and drug users. Honestly I am beginning to get the feeling that the AIDS-problem in Europe is IMPORTED. First, by accident, from the U.S.A where it spread through European homosexuals returning from the U.S and now, almost deliberately, from Africa/South America etc.


Hiv in Nederland 2008 (http://www.soaaids.nl/hivaids_vervolg/cijfers_nederland)
Per 1 juni 2008
Per 1 juni 2008 zijn in Nederland 14.960 mensen met hiv geregistreerd (SHM, 2008). Hiervan zijn 11.349 mensen (2.420 (21%) vrouwen, 8.929 (79%) mannen) met hiv onder behandeling in één van de 25 hiv behandelcentra (SHM, 2008)
Per June 1 2008 in the Netherlands some 14.960 (that's lower then I thought) have been registered with HIV. 11.349 of them (21% female, 79% male) with HIV are being tended in one of 25 treatment centres.



*Note several hundreds or perhaps a couple of thousand don't know that they are infected.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Question: I'm not discounting the tattoo thing offhand, but would those who are in favour of it force HIV-positives to have one against their will?

[Frigga]

That's a good question. I'm inclined to say yes, but that infringes on their free will. So that brings up the question of what is more important, the safety of the general population, or the silencing of the infected person's personal liberty and freedom of choice. That's a tough call. :(

[Jimbo Gomez]

Also: taking a needle to a guy with HIV who does not want it is NOT completely safe to do either.

[Vulpix]

Gwyn, a tattoo is a really good idea. I support that wholeheartedly. Maybe a type of serial number for authenticy on the tattoo?

Whatever next, a barcode for everyone?

:tsk:

[RoyBatty]

Whatever next, a barcode for everyone?

:tsk:

More likely it'll be a RF tag implant of some sort by our you-know-who friends. In order to "help keep us safer", "protect us from terror" and so on and so on....

http://www.spychips.com/

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=199

[RoyBatty]

I have been wondering. HIV-AIDS would not be such a tremendous problem is it wasn't for foreigners. In the Netherlands (pop 16.5 million) some 18.000/20.000 people have been infected and more then half of those are foreign. Also high risk groups are homosexuals, bisexuals and drug users. Honestly I am beginning to get the feeling that the AIDS-problem in Europe is IMPORTED. First, by accident, from the U.S.A where it spread through European homosexuals returning from the U.S and now, almost deliberately, from Africa/South America etc.

Per June 1 2008 in the Netherlands some 14.960 (that's lower then I thought) have been registered with HIV. 11.349 of them (21% female, 79% male) with HIV are being tended in one of 25 treatment centres.



*Note several hundreds or perhaps a couple of thousand don't know that they are infected.

I agree, the AIDS high-risk groups are

- intraveinous drug users (smack heads),
- Africans (particularly from Sub-Saharan Africa where it is rife)
- and homosexuals and bi's.

The rest of the population are far lower at risk unless of course they choose to fraternise with the above in which case they really only have themselves to blame.

[Brännvin]

LOL, where did she say she was religious? People aren't necessarily stuck with the religious background of their ancestors (thank god for that :D).

Second that :thumb001:




BTW she's super hot, no wonder she tricked so many folks.

http://i31.tinypic.com/s4rjth.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/f0oly0.jpg

Me too, very fuckable degenerate whore. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Second that :thumb001:




Me too, very fuckable degenerate whore. :D
Yap very beautiful and very dangerous. As the French would so beautifully say: she is "une femme fatale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femme_fatale)" ( a fatal woman). I think that the description fits her 100 percent.

[Äike]

I have been wondering. HIV-AIDS would not be such a tremendous problem is it wasn't for foreigners. In the Netherlands (pop 16.5 million) some 18.000/20.000 people have been infected and more then half of those are foreign. Also high risk groups are homosexuals, bisexuals and drug users. Honestly I am beginning to get the feeling that the AIDS-problem in Europe is IMPORTED.

I agree with you. The majority(around 95%) of HIV infected people in Estonia are Russian.

Estonians are an ethnic group that is the most resistant to HIV, research shows. But the funny fact is. Estonia, by %, is the most HIV infected country in Europe.

Russians are a godsend. :grumpy:

In most countries of Europe, immigrants are to blame for the HIV/AIDS problem.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I'm pleasantly surprised so many of the males here are honest enough to admit they're not immune for this woman's physique. I'm afraid the same thread on my own Phora would have more hypocrisy in it.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well. If we could kick out our (at least infected) immigrants (have each and every last one of them tested- forcefully if necessary), have our homosexuals imprinted with some common sense (monogamy would be a good idea) and our drug users either isolated or if necessary disposed off. How horrible it may seem. Then we are on the right path.

[Frigga]

As far as the tattoo idea goes, maybe there could be positive incentives made for those who are HIV positive, and to try to not have it be a stigmata to have the tattoo. Upon reflection, the serial number is probably not a good idea. No one would have a tattoo done like that as a joke, so there wouldn't be a need to verify that such a person needing a tattoo like that is documented.

[Brännvin]

Well. If we could kick out our (at least infected) immigrants (have each and every last one of them tested- forcefully if necessary), have our homosexuals imprinted with some common sense (monogamy would be a good idea) and our drug users either isolated or if necessary disposed off. How horrible it may seem. Then we are on the right path.


Eh? True for a certain extant, however, much of AIDS in my country, at least 40% of them are from men in their sex tourist pervert vacation :D :D (Southern Europe, Thailand, South America etc..)

HIV's spread around Europe mapped;
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45800000/gif/_45800104_hiv_spread_466.gif

[Nodens]

http://i32.tinypic.com/f0oly0.jpg

Is it just me, or does she have something of an 'Obama' look in this picture?

[The Lawspeaker]

Eh? True for a certain extant, however, much of AIDS in my country, at least 40% of them are from men in their sex tourist pervert vacation :D :D (Southern Europe, Thailand, South America etc..)

HIV's spread around Europe mapped;
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45800000/gif/_45800104_hiv_spread_466.gif
Well. So the immigrants in Sweden don't contribute greatly to the problem ?
Anyways- Greece is not so hard hit by the AIDS epidemic. Neither, as far as I know, is Serbia.

[Brännvin]

Well, check Spain, Italy and France;
European HIV and AIDS Statistics (http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-europe.htm)



Map from the wikipedia;

People living with HIV AIDS world map

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/People_living_with_HIV_AIDS_world_map.PNG

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes o.k. But Greece and Serbia ?

France, Spain, Italy is a well-known story throughout Europe although I wonder how many cases are "indegenous" and how many are "imported" (by overseas holidays, the Bayer blood products during the 1980s, immigration).

[Loki]

She doesn't do it for me, sorry. :noidea:

[Brännvin]

Is it just me, or does she have something of an 'Obama' look in this picture?

Just why is she a mulatto? :eek:

Come on, don't be paranoid!!

[Nodens]

Just why is she a mulatto?

According to her given pedigree, she's not. Though she does appear rather suspect.

[Brännvin]

According to her given pedigree, she's not. Though she does appear rather suspect.

How so?

"A woman of half-Moroccan, half-Bosnian ethnic background"

Southern Morocco is a negroid(west-saharan) dominated area, where her half-Moroccan background come from?

She is a hot mulatto..

[The Lawspeaker]

She is a hot mulatto..
One that would kill you.

[Gooding]

One that would kill you.

She certainly has formidible boobage, but her face and knowledge of her condition just kills it for me.That face doesn't help much, either.

[Loki]

BTW she's super hot, no wonder she tricked so many folks.

http://i31.tinypic.com/s4rjth.jpg


I know who'd fall for her:

http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Boris-Becker_1.jpg

His taste in women:

Barbara Feltus

http://www.yuddy.com/articleimages/barbara%20feltusMzMwNA==.jpg

Angela Ermakova

http://www.contentimages.de/content/GlobalPictureGallery/25/1318720625_1093014018914.jpg

Sharlely “Lilly” Kerssenberg

http://www.gala.fr/var/gal/storage/images/media/images/actu/photos_officiel/boris_becker_et_sharlely_lilly_kerssenberg/435221-1-fre-FR/boris_becker_et_sharlely_lilly_kerssenberg_referen ce.jpg

[Brännvin]

One that would kill you.

Well, I found her attractive (hot body), however, going to bed with it, that's an another different issue :D :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Well, I found her attractive (hot body), however, going to bed with it, that's an another different issue :D :D
;) It's still always clever to give your brains a chance.

[F.M.S. Panzerfaust]

Do like the muslims were to do in those cases.

Stone her to death.

[The Lawspeaker]

Do like the muslims were to do in those cases.

Stone her to death.
We Europeans are the better branch of humanity. Stoning is so primitive.

http://nicolen.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/noose2.jpg
This will do....

[lei.talk]

...so many of the males here are honest enough to admit they're not immune for this woman's physique.
I'm afraid the same thread on my own Phora would have more hypocrisy in it.perhaps, living in southern california
has elevated my standard for "attractive"
beyond this common-place mulatta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadja_Benaissa)'s appearance

or, perhaps, actually enjoying satisfying sex
on a regular basis
is the reason this creature has no effect.

look at her:sexually attractive?a short cruise through any puerto rican or negro neighborhood
will produce better looking girls
with more exaggerated physiques working on the street-corners.

men or - even - teens that find her unattractive
are not necessarily hypocrites.

[Brännvin]

Come on, nobody is saying she is the most perfect and beautiful woman, but is "attractive", exotic, cheap slut, has a hot body, (in short she is fuckable :D); if not, those German men would not go to bed with it, deny it is hypocrisy.

[Nodens]

She's not physically repulsive, but she's not particularly attractive either. Some may find her desirable on a primal level (or at least the area below her neck), but her facial complexion (in my view) sends the message 'not properly feminine'. There are certainly much more attractive non/semi-European women around.

Also, she looks like a different individual in every picture, so I'm really not sure what to think.

[Mesrine]

Is it just me, or does she have something of an 'Obama' look in this picture?

It must be you. I see boobs, curves and full lips, you see an "Obama look". To each his obsession. :D

[Paleo]

hang the bitch.

[ikki]

Is it just me, or does she have something of an 'Obama' look in this picture?

Indeed, quite clear negroid features... and as such.. avoided as the plague.

[The Lawspeaker]

Indeed, quite clear negroid features... and as such.. avoided as the plague.
And that what is also what she is carrying. A plague.

[Nodens]

http://i32.tinypic.com/f0oly0.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/ibsolomongrundy/BarackObamaCaricature.jpg

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/Obama%20brain.JPG

Salient facial features caricatured are strikingly similar (if you're still having trouble, seriously stop looking below the neck).

[Brännvin]

You only can be a paranoid, I see no Obama there :D :D

By the way, her face was not the first thing I looked at the picture :D

Another one,

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00GifJE7u6aSE/610x.jpg

[Nodens]

Also, she looks like a different individual in every picture, so I'm really not sure what to think.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Oh, I think she's just so cute and adorable, what with all her *fancy wares* on display.

Who would not? I am just dribblin' in my pants for her. :twitch00:

[Brännvin]

But the bitch is devastated the lives of some German men, do not blame her solemnly for it :D

[Osweo]

Christ Lads, she is 'hanging', as we say where I'm from. (I believe the term comes from the putrid state of meat left hanging for some time). Yuck.

Just thought I'd add my tuppence-worth to the we-don't-fancy-the-filthy-diseased-foreign-slag vote. ;)

[Brännvin]

Just thought I'd add my tuppence-worth to the we-don't-fancy-the-filthy-diseased-foreign-slag vote. ;)

Yay! :D