As a whole, do Albanians look more similar to Norwegians or Lebanese?

[Tooting Carmen]

Let us discuss.

[Adriaticia]

To caucasian people

[chinshen]

Most world populations usually resemble their immediate neighbors even if they speak different languages than far away ones unless they are recent arrivals (Couple hundred years).

It is not any different for Albanians, I think they probably resemble their Greek and other immediate neighbors more than either Norwegians or Lebanese.

[medvedev92]

Probably Lebanese? Both Mediterenean countries, so they will have higher chance of similarities.

[Oliver109]

Do people from Norfolk look more similar to people from Yorkshire or Ireland?

[Tooting Carmen]

Do people from Norfolk look more similar to people from Yorkshire or Ireland?

Yorkshire. But how is that relevant to this thread?

[Oliver109]

Yorkshire. But how is that relevant to this thread?

Because the common sense answer would be Lebanese because Albanians are far more similar to the Lebanese than to Norwegians who are not only far more light pigmented but they have very different facial features. Just like how people from Norfolk look more similar to Yorkshire people because of the different facial features and pigmentation of the Irish.

[Token]

Because the common sense answer would be Lebanese because Albanians are far more similar to the Lebanese than to Norwegians who are not only far more light pigmented but they have very different facial features. Just like how people from Norfolk look more similar to Yorkshire people because of the different facial features and pigmentation of the Irish.

Albanian Ghegs are far closer to Norwegians than to the Lebanese in pigmentation. Not sure about the Tosks, but they probably do not differ much.

[placebo]

Albanian Ghegs are far closer to Norwegians than to the Lebanese in pigmentation. Not sure about the Tosks, but they probably do not differ much.

if this is true that means lebanese is no different from an indian. but you're just exaggerating imo.

in here there are tosk albanians (i guess gheg too) and they blend with local well. you can't understand who is albanian and who is not without asking. (unlike bosnians. some bosnians blend well but some bosnians looks clearly bosniak.)

[Hulu]

if this is true that means lebanese is no different from an indian. but you're just exaggerating imo.

in here there are tosk albanians (i guess gheg too) and they blend with local well. you can't understand who is albanian and who is not without asking. (unlike bosnians. some bosnians blend well but some bosnians looks clearly bosniak.)

We are equally distant from turks as the british are

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?368615-Roman-Provinces-Post-your-Results-here&p=7627075&viewfull=1#post7627075

[Token]

if this is true that means lebanese is no different from an indian. but you're just exaggerating imo.

It is based on objective data collected by anthropologists, not my opinion. I don't see how what I said implies that the Lebanese are no different from Indians.

[placebo]

We are equally distant from turks as the british are

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?368615-Roman-Provinces-Post-your-Results-here&p=7627075&viewfull=1#post7627075

no this is not true.

Distance to: Albanian
6.42359712 Turk_Makedonya
10.64328427 Turk_Trakya
11.31775596 Turk_Deliorman
21.07928604 Turk_Northwest
21.82295809 Turk_West_Black_Sea
23.12088882 Turk_Southwest
23.14580740 Turk_Cyprus
24.27055006 Turk_Central_West
26.70684931 Turk_South
26.91701506 Turk_Central_East
27.37787428 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
28.91044448 Turk_Southeast
31.65446888 Turk_East
33.18427790 English_South
33.71915924 English
34.71640534 English_North
36.17760910 Turk_Ahıska
36.27006617 Turk_East_Black_Sea

and even turks have mongoloid and english and albanians don't. but even if albanians more closer to norwegian than lebanese (i didn't look) still i don't believe they are phenotypically more closer to norwegian lol. albania is not full of blondes.

[Hulu]

no this is not true.

Distance to: Albanian
6.42359712 Turk_Makedonya
10.64328427 Turk_Trakya


and even turks have mongoloid and english and albanians don't. but even if albanians more closer to norwegian than lebanese (i didn't look) still i don't believe they are phenotypically more closer to norwegian lol. albania is not full of blondes.

Those are my results. How's that not true :lol: those distances you posted are with balkan slavs who mixed with turks which pulls them different

And I was disputing your point of not being able to tell between turks and albanians. We and norwegians have the same components that other euros have. Turks and Lebanese have asian stuff which we dont have

[placebo]

lol

Roman Provinces, Post your Results here

turks means central asian in calc, are u dumb dude or trolling?

[placebo]

Those are my results. How's that not true :lol: those distances you posted are with balkan slavs who mixed with turks which pulls them different

i posted population averages for dodecadk12b. get lost troll. your result of course distant to central asian tribes.

[placebo]

Distance to: Turks
0.06972080 Huns
0.15837347 AvarRing
0.15843420 Tibet
0.25238726 Indochina
0.29168821 Taiwan
0.43880588 Hyperborea
0.46299727 South-India
0.47378415 North-America
0.48695569 North-India
0.50976185 Sarmatia
0.52475576 Middle-America
0.52867509 Peru
0.53383008 Caribbean
0.54784765 Yaziges
0.55631289 Khazaria
0.55802873 Australia
0.56006907 Alania
0.57093478 Dacia
0.57402337 Pannonia
0.57982867 Papua
0.59128227 Lusitania
0.59271769 Scandza
0.59273368 Mauretania
0.59291320 Britannia
0.59445734 Anatolia

according to this calculator "turks" closer to taiwan, tibet. :D yes we are east asian.

[Hulu]

Not just turkic tribes. Look at the yazighes and other west asian tribes. Brits are closer to them than we are.
I know, it's mind bogling...
Gedmatch is one dimentional, G25 is 3D

[Token]

Distance to: Turks
0.06972080 Huns
0.15837347 AvarRing
0.15843420 Tibet
0.25238726 Indochina
0.29168821 Taiwan
0.43880588 Hyperborea
0.46299727 South-India
0.47378415 North-America
0.48695569 North-India
0.50976185 Sarmatia
0.52475576 Middle-America
0.52867509 Peru
0.53383008 Caribbean
0.54784765 Yaziges
0.55631289 Khazaria
0.55802873 Australia
0.56006907 Alania
0.57093478 Dacia
0.57402337 Pannonia
0.57982867 Papua
0.59128227 Lusitania
0.59271769 Scandza
0.59273368 Mauretania
0.59291320 Britannia
0.59445734 Anatolia

according to this calculator "turks" closer to taiwan, tibet. :D yes we are east asian.

"Hyperborea" :laugh:

Those crap calculators crack me up.

[placebo]

Not just turkic tribes. Look at the yazighes and other west asian tribes. Brits are closer to them that we are.
I know, it's mind bogling...

so? turks are genetically not fully west asian. i really won't bother myself dude.

[Hulu]

lol

Roman Provinces, Post your Results here

turks means central asian in calc, are u dumb dude or trolling?

Oh shut up you dumb kid with the insults. Talk to your people

[placebo]

Oh shut up you dumb kid with the insults. Talk to your people

i posted modern population average distances in here and u still talking nonsense. what do you expect me to say?

[Hulu]

i posted modern population average distances in here and u still talking nonsense. what do you expect me to say?

No you are being sneaky with balkan turks. You are a mix of west asian and turkic. And we are equally distant to both of them as the british.

G25 is better than gedmatch who is one dimensional.

[ecptr]

Balkanites hardly overlap with Scandinavians, so maybe Lebanese.

[placebo]

No you are being sneaky with balktan turks. You are a miz of west asian and turkic. And we are equally distant to both of them as the british.

ok.

yes turkish_northwest, turkish south_west, turkish_east etc. means balkan turk lol. you are very clever dude.

Distance to: Albanian
6.42359712 Turk_Makedonya
10.64328427 Turk_Trakya
11.31775596 Turk_Deliorman
21.07928604 Turk_Northwest
21.82295809 Turk_West_Black_Sea
23.12088882 Turk_Southwest
23.14580740 Turk_Cyprus
24.27055006 Turk_Central_West
26.70684931 Turk_South
26.91701506 Turk_Central_East
27.37787428 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
28.91044448 Turk_Southeast
31.65446888 Turk_East
33.18427790 English_South
33.71915924 English
34.71640534 English_North
36.17760910 Turk_Ahıska
36.27006617 Turk_East_Black_Sea

but ok. believe what you believe owd. if you're going to say the same thing, don't quote my post.

[Hulu]

ok.

yes turkish_northwest, turkish south_west, turkish_east etc. means balkan turk lol. you are very clever dude.

Distance to: Albanian
6.42359712 Turk_Makedonya
10.64328427 Turk_Trakya
11.31775596 Turk_Deliorman
21.07928604 Turk_Northwest
21.82295809 Turk_West_Black_Sea
23.12088882 Turk_Southwest
23.14580740 Turk_Cyprus
24.27055006 Turk_Central_West
26.70684931 Turk_South
26.91701506 Turk_Central_East
27.37787428 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
28.91044448 Turk_Southeast
31.65446888 Turk_East
33.18427790 English_South
33.71915924 English
34.71640534 English_North
36.17760910 Turk_Ahıska
36.27006617 Turk_East_Black_Sea

but ok. believe what you believe owd. if you're going to say the same thing, don't quote my post.

21 to 36 distance :lol:

You shot yourself in the foot. Go to sleep

[placebo]

21 to 36 distance :lol:

You shot yourself in the foot. Go to sleep

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD now i convince you are troll.

not even equally distant. aren't british people actually medieval illyrian tribe? just like greeks are albanian and ottoman empire was albanian empire.

[Hulu]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD now i convince you are troll.

not even equally distant. aren't british people actually medieval illyrian tribe? just like greeks are albanian and ottoman empire was albanian empire.

Enough with the cheap talk. Admit defeat. If you dont understand distances those are equal to indians. That much.

[placebo]

Enough with the cheap talk. Admit defeat. If you dont understand distances those are equal to indians. That much.

of course. thanks for keeping me informed. though most closer english population distance 34 and most turkish populations are 6-to 31.

really thanks to you, i understood distances now and learned to interpret.

[Varda]

Albanian Ghegs are far closer to Norwegians than to the Lebanese in pigmentation. Not sure about the Tosks, but they probably do not differ much.

Tosks

https://youtu.be/_RG77-ByNg0?t=57


https://youtu.be/MNd8CRa48Uk


https://youtu.be/VrZB-jNMoLc

[placebo]

of course. thanks for keeping me informed. though most closer english population distance 34 and most turkish populations are 6-to 31.

really thanks to you, i understood distances now and learned to interpret.

not 34. 33* sorry...

[Hulu]

of course. thanks for keeping me informed. though most closer english population distance 34 and most turkish populations are 6-to 31.

really thanks to you, i understood distances now and learned to interpret.

I took issue with you not being able to distinguish between turks and albanians. Why not claim british? They are as distant to you as we are. Or indians lol.
Unless there are really 6 million Albanians in Turkey and you are comparing them to us I find that pretty owd. I didnt say we are close to british, even though it would make more sense since we have the same components without asian mystery meat.

If fact Brits west asian admixture is more recent than ours so you might indeed be closer to them than us looks wise.

[placebo]

I took issue with you not being able to distinguish between turks and albanians. Why not claim british? They are as distant to you as we are. Or indians lol.
Unless there are really 6 million Albanuans in Turkey and you are comparing them to us I fund tgat pretty owd. I didnt say we are close to british, even though it would make more sense since we have the same components without asian mystery meat.

because you claim this in your post lol and after you posted bullshit calculator result etc. btw i turned western "anatolian" turk result to g25 coordinates. and "turks" bullshit is not even on the list.

Distance to: Western Turkish
0.06245657 Alania
0.07110065 Pannonia
0.07630085 Anatolia
0.08277489 Yaziges
0.08409894 Italia
0.08561618 Achaia
0.09320123 Dacia
0.09429827 Illyric
0.10281802 Khazaria
0.10978482 Levant
0.11324864 Lusitania
0.11639437 Gallia
0.12421809 Sarmatia
0.13268386 Britannia
0.15362880 Scandza
0.20219000 Hyperborea
0.20306584 Baltic
0.21369809 Mauretania
0.21760786 North-India
0.30927071 South-India
0.38083538 AvarRing
0.47729952 Huns
0.49855421 Tibet
0.51987106 Indochina
0.57020883 Taiwan

i can sometimes distungish turk and albanian but for average people with any interest of anthro things cannot recognize because pigmentation is most important thing to them. token talking about pigmentation, that's why i'm saying that.

as i said before: even if albanians more closer to norwegian than lebanese (i didn't look) still i don't believe they are phenotypically more closer to norwegian.

[vader]

these questions are starting to cringe me quite a bit. Who the hell cares?

[placebo]

Why not claim british? They are as distant to you as we are. Or indians lol.

??

Distance to: English
30.58145026 Turk_Deliorman
31.82931510 Turk_Makedonya
33.47523562 Turk_Trakya
33.71915924 Albanian
47.92647702 Turk_Northwest
50.56944730 Turk_West_Black_Sea
50.63568505 Turk_Southwest
53.01825063 Turk_Central_West
54.66299571 Turk_South
55.11710352 Turk_Cyprus
56.04272834 Turk_Central_East
56.08289490 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
56.76676052 Turk_Southeast
61.44321037 Turk_East
66.07488252 Turk_Ahıska
67.81843112 Turk_East_Black_Sea

Distance to: Albanian
6.42359712 Turk_Makedonya
10.64328427 Turk_Trakya
11.31775596 Turk_Deliorman
21.07928604 Turk_Northwest
21.82295809 Turk_West_Black_Sea
23.12088882 Turk_Southwest
23.14580740 Turk_Cyprus
24.27055006 Turk_Central_West
26.70684931 Turk_South
26.91701506 Turk_Central_East
27.37787428 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
28.91044448 Turk_Southeast
31.65446888 Turk_East
36.17760910 Turk_Ahıska
36.27006617 Turk_East_Black_Sea

[DraviXi99]

Those threads only exist to make people believe a certain "dark" european looks more similar to a non - euro just so that can create a thing in people's subconscious that makes them believe that "well,if sardinians look more similar to MENAS and not to swedes,then automatically sardinians are MENAS",this agenda is very subtle.

[placebo]

Those threads only exist to make people believe a certain "dark" european looks more similar to a non - euro just so that can create a thing in people's subconscious that makes them believe that "well,if sardinians look more similar to MENAS and not to swedes,then automatically sardinians are MENAS",this agenda is very subtle.

because they are. it's not "make people believe" i posted genetic distances between albanian and nw european and albanian and "dark sandnigger" middle eastern.

but i agree with vader, threads like this starting to cringe me too.

[Token]

Those threads only exist to make people believe a certain "dark" european looks more similar to a non - euro just so that can create a thing in people's subconscious that makes them believe that "well,if sardinians look more similar to MENAS and not to swedes,then automatically sardinians are MENAS",this agenda is very subtle.
There are much better choices if this was the case, Albanians are far from being amongst the darkest European populations.

[Token]

Pigmentation of Albanian Ghegs:

https://i.imgur.com/UVFIVgd.png
https://i.imgur.com/gPxmgkn.png
https://i.imgur.com/FDrEpDv.png

[ecptr]

There are much better choices if this was the case, Albanians are far from being amongst the darkest European populations.

Which Euros are darker than Albanians?

[Scar95]

Neither, but I'd go for Norwegians.

[Token]

Which Euros are darker than Albanians?

I am not in the mood to start a flame war with the complexed guys of the forum. If you read the quotes I posted above it will be self-evident.

[Varda]

Gheg Albanians also have many swarthy/Med people.
https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/9/8/1/large1500/189576346.jpg


https://youtu.be/-Q7zuK1fZOo


https://youtu.be/Xkm74_l24wU


https://youtu.be/brEXpB4WHRQ

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[DraviXi99]

Double

[Septentrion]

Let us discuss.

I think this is a trick question. Firstly, I would to remind you that Albanians are Europeans! However in terms of pigmentation, Albanians are much closer to that of Mediterranean people than they’d ever be to the Norwegians . Therefore in that light, Albanians would be closer to the Lebanese who are an Orientalid - Mediterranid-mixed people. Slightly over 30% of Albanians have blackish-brown and black hair.

[Hulu]

I think this is a trick question. Firstly, I would to remind you that Albanians are Europeans! However in terms of pigmentation, Albanians are much closer to that of Mediterranean people than they’d ever be to the Norwegians . Therefore in that light, Albanians would be closer to the Lebanese who are an Orientalid - Mediterranid-mixed people.

Albanians are lighter than the sexy Belgian journalists Laly posted...

[TrueEpiriote]

Albanian Ghegs are far closer to Norwegians than to the Lebanese in pigmentation. Not sure about the Tosks, but they probably do not differ much.

Ghegs aren’t even that much phenotypically different to Tosks, Ghegs find one blonde haired blue eye male in their village an act like it’s an accurate representation of all of them.


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[thisismyaccount]

Probably look closer to actual lebanese?

[Septentrion]

Do people from Norfolk look more similar to people from Yorkshire or Ireland?

Norfolk is in England, so is Yorkshire.

[RogueState]

There are many blond, light haired Albanians with blue eyes (some backbiters would say it's Slavic influence :) ) that would pass much better in Northern Europe; while there are other darker, more Meddish type that pass better in the whole Mediterranean

[Tooting Carmen]

There are many blond, light haired Albanians with blue eyes (some backbiters would say it's Slavic influence :) ) that would pass much better in Northern Europe; while there are other darker, more Meddish type that pass better in the whole Mediterranean

A rare response of calm and balance on TA. xD

[RogueState]

I am still surprised nobody posted genetical distance of Albanians with respect to Norwegians and Lebanese

[Beowulf]

I am still surprised nobody posted genetical distance of Albanians with respect to Norwegians and Lebanese


Distance to: Albanian
0.11328299 Norwegian
0.12277789 Lebanese

[TrueEpiriote]

There are many blond, light haired Albanians with blue eyes (some backbiters would say it's Slavic influence :) ) that would pass much better in Northern Europe; while there are other darker, more Meddish type that pass better in the whole Mediterranean

True, but I would say the Med phenotype is more prevalent in Albania. Most Albanians I’ve met usually are brunettes with brown eyes. My family personally is all brunettes with light eyes (green and grey) Overall I think most Albanians would pass better in Lebanon then in North Europe.

Here’s an Albanian YouTuber Jon Zherka (LEFT) from Kosovo compared to Lebanese YouTuber Infrared Haz (RIGHT) They could pass as cousins imo.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230416/dafc505fcad505804f104790ed616385.jpg


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[RogueState]

Indeed, Jon Zherka is a robust Dinaro-Med, so of course he can pass better in the whole Eastern Mediterranean than in Northern Europe (like myself)

Although I would still say Albanians will lean more towards Lebanese, it's just a matter of slighlty more shifted towards their look compared to Norwegians, but it doesn't mean overlap at all (or below 10% level max).

[Tooting Carmen]

Indeed, Jon Zherka is a robust Dinaro-Med, so of course he can pass better in the whole Eastern Mediterranean than in Northern Europe (like myself)

Although I would still say Albanians will lean more towards Lebanese, it's just a matter of slighlty more shifted towards their look compared to Norwegians, but it doesn't mean overlap at all (or below 10% level max).

More Lebanese (still a minority of them, of course) would pass in Greece, Malta, Southern Italy and Iberia than Albania.

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Avicenna]

People overstimate the euro-leaning types in Lebanon, yes they are quite westernised and modern , they have his Mediterranean vibe about them mainly due to clothing, style and demeanour , but I honestly thought this was Egypt until I realised this was Lebanon

On the other hand, people underestimate the lightness of Albanians , sure you have odd looking types among them mainly due to founder effect since Albanians are quite homogeneous, but the average Albanian has light brown hair, pale skin with green/ hazel eyes.

Lebanon

https://www.tiktok.com/@street_with_ayash?_t=8cJX4XXBBaV&_r=1

[Token]

People overstimate the euro-leaning types in Lebanon, yes they are quite westernised and modern , they have his Mediterranean vibe about them mainly due to clothing, style and demeanour , but I honestly thought this was Egypt until I realised this was Lebanon

On the other hand, people underestimate the lightness of Albanians , sure you have odd looking types among them mainly due to founder effect since Albanians are quite homogeneous, but the average Albanian has light brown hair, pale skin with green/ hazel eyes.

The average Albanian is dark brown haired, with a reddish-brown or light brown beard and hazel/mixed eyes. The skin is pinkish-white in unexposed parts of the body in over 90% of the cases. Only about 20% of the Albanians are light brown or blond haired.

[Varda]

Gheg Albanians.


https://youtu.be/Vz8ZmZHaV7s


https://youtu.be/srQ3jxQdrQQ

[Avicenna]

The average Albanian is dark brown haired, with a reddish-brown or light brown beard and hazel/mixed eyes. The skin is pinkish-white in unexposed parts of the body in over 90% of the cases. Only about 20% of the Albanians are light brown or blond haired.

Vast majority of Albanians are medium / light haired not dark brown haired

[Token]

Vast majority of Albanians are medium / light haired not dark brown haired

No. That would make Albanians as light haired as Germans, which is clearly not the case.

[Odelia]

Should've tried France or something for a fair race

[Tooting Carmen]

Should've tried France or something for a fair race

Well if the mantra of "all Europeans are more alike than any are to non Europeans" were so true, then that need not be the case...

[Voskos]

An Albanian looks more like a dark-haired norwegian than like a Lebanese person. unless they're a gypsy or something. At least feature-wise.

[Voskos]

https://media.sot.com.al/sot.com.al/media3/-640-0-63ade353f0f34.jpg

[Klamar]

It’s not G25, I suppose? Because Albanians are actually in-between Anatolian Turks and English (though I have a feeling that G25 could be overestimating the East Eurasian heritage of Turks) but closer to Lebanese than to Scandinavians.

[Nurzat]

An Albanian looks more like a dark-haired norwegian than like a Lebanese person. unless they're a gypsy or something. At least feature-wise.

yes, I voted Norwegian as well

[Klamar]

so? turks are genetically not fully west asian. i really won't bother myself dude.

Anatolian Turks shouldn’t be predominantly West Asian either, but I would like Kaspais’s assessment on this.

If I’m not mistaken, East Marmara people’s non-Turkic side was Sicilian-like.

[reboun]

As a whole they look closer to Lebanese although genetically closer to Norwegians.

Climate and nutrition play an important role in terms of phenotype. Albanians have a lot of North European genes but those genes are not so active thanks to Mediterranean climate in Albania.

[Regnera]

Lebanese,no doubt.

[Klamar]

As a whole they look closer to Lebanese although genetically closer to Norwegians.

Climate and nutrition play an important role in terms of phenotype. Albanians have a lot of North European genes but those genes are not so active thanks to Mediterranean climate in Albania.

https://i.hizliresim.com/5dbj0ef.jpeg (https://hizliresim.com/5dbj0ef)

They’re not? IMO Albanians do have a lot of East Med types and their most Med-looking individuals should pass better in Lebanon than in Scandanivia - not to mention Albos also have West Asian input in them. I personally would go with “neither”. But Albanians are def. closer to Cypriots and Greek-speaking Anatolians than to Germans.