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Eurafricanid

03-29-2023, 08:22 PM

It's a Calculator based on @Jingle Bell 's (Medieval Iberian calculator (For Latinos & Iberians fellas))

It has a different Morisco reference, it's more shifted and makes a bit more sense IMO.

OLD
Target: Morisco:Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
Distance: 1.9614% / 0.01961379 | R3P
52.4 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
35.0 Algerian
12.6 Georgian_NorthEast

NEW
Target: Morisco
Distance: 1.0128% / 0.01012849 | R3P
52.6 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
42.0 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
5.4 Yemenite_Mahra

I also added a Medieval Italian refference, I just makes sense when you think about it.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=119013&d=1680121299

Here's the Spreadsheet of some Iberians with the new Model:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=119010&d=1680120559

You can see that not all of them match Italian MA, just Eivissa.

As you can see with other Spanish Averages, only the Balearic ones match the Italian:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=119011&d=1680120763

Main References:

Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval,0.114 582,0.14589766666667,0.030547,-0.006783,0.03662233333333,0.00111533333333,-0.00133166666667,0.00399966666667,0.026179,0.03444 266666667,-0.00530433333333,0.00364666666667,-0.01065366666667,-0.01022966666667,0.00239766666667,0.00039766666667 ,0.00178166666667,-0.004645,0.00025133333333,-0.002835,0.00420066666667,0.00012366666667,-0.001068,-0.00116466666667,0.00063866666667
Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval,0.1 2488028571429,0.13927271428571,0.04606257142857,0. 02048742857143,0.03978742857143,0.00494057142857,0 .00365928571429,0.00530742857143,0.01279742857143, 0.01608871428571,-0.00651871428571,0.00734542857143,-0.010852,-0.006311,0.00791042857143,0.00443228571429,0.00201 171428571,0.00378271428571,-0.001167,0.00423414285714,0.00456328571429,0.00113 057142857,-0.003539,0.00251328571429,-0.00272
Morisco,0.0551102718254,0.13748925661376,0.0146162 7248677,-0.03549313492064,0.03226168121693,-0.02013688690476,-0.01592711574074,0.00218073611111,0.04049090343915 ,0.02376167791005,0.00406095171958,-0.00061227645503,0.00533818981481,-0.01280646957672,0.01420100330688,-0.00334456216931,0.00051354695767,-0.01100176124339,-0.02248255489418,0.00527439219577,-0.00401509259259,-0.01855154100529,0.01025095304233,-0.00566445436508,0.00167020634921
Italian_MA,0.11501552380952,0.1449789047619,0.0119 4233333333,-0.02153333333333,0.02557238095238,-0.00883147619048,0.000705,-0.00148342857143,0.00873604761905,0.0198029047619,-0.00034033333333,0.00358961904762,-0.009309,-0.0023789047619,-0.00351580952381,-0.00037880952381,0.00079466666667,-0.00031976190476,0.00216085714286,-0.00291819047619,0.00130723809524,0.00340323809524 ,-0.00191914285714,0.00304680952381,-0.00002285714286
Serfadic:Sefardi_Average,0.0907738,0.145094,-0.0233814,-0.0609662,0.0057318,-0.0219276,-0.0054344,-0.002596,0.0116579,0.0199775,0.004202,0.0001688,5. 56e-05,-0.0005678,-0.00436,-0.0065301,-0.0081814,-0.000475,-0.0013355,-0.0065658,-0.0048508,-0.0059044,0.001217,0.0025606,0.0024399
Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average,0.09384715,0.1436466,-0.01431185,-0.0535857,0.01234075,-0.0199546,-0.00141,0.0003461,0.01233285,0.0193443,0.004287,0. 0000375,0.00449695,-0.00037845,-0.00349495,-0.0003979,-0.00200785,0.00069045,-0.0017535,-0.00355165,-0.0024768,-0.0022691,0.0005546,0.00144,-0.0010538

Latin American Compactibility:

Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Arctic,0.046615,-0.36884,0.118776,0.039951,-0.121325,-0.044185,-0.097914,-0.111901,0.006627,-0.012477,0.030207,-0.00453,0.009208,-0.018515,-0.033596,-0.015397,-0.0033,0.016719,0.037113,0.020386,0.02997,-0.051478,0.009383,0.027021,0.040713
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-North,0.053782,-0.324969,0.109931,0.073119,-0.104558,-0.017431,-0.190123,-0.224644,-0.00749,-0.02278,0.009337,-0.004665,0.007099,-0.000413,-0.013775,-0.003149,-0.000587,0.00293,0.010747,0.008645,0.004055,-0.010078,0.001941,0.005573,0.007754
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Mexico,0.055049,-0.305909,0.114206,0.093129,-0.105361,-0.014299,-0.271748,-0.325749,-0.011125,-0.01624,-0.005553,-0.003001,0.001546,0.019413,-0.007326,0.004355,0.006138,0.000138,0.002818,-0.001761,-0.002218,0.004577,-0.000549,-0.000281,0.002198
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Yukatan_Peninsula,0.056684,-0.290848,0.110421,0.08889,-0.103158,-0.015618,-0.273882,-0.326802,-0.014398,-0.015782,-0.00315,-0.001948,0.001427,0.020203,-0.008957,0.003341,0.008188,-0.001039,-0.000653,-0.002201,-0.002371,0.005391,0.001257,-0.000868,0.001126
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Bolivia_&_Peru,0.056365,-0.309196,0.120031,0.095398,-0.114573,-0.017803,-0.299388,-0.358248,-0.012855,-0.016917,-0.002756,-0.00098,-0.000338,0.023517,-0.007484,0.004954,0.007695,-0.00071,0.000389,0.00004,-0.001257,0.005623,-0.001926,0.000786,-0.003379
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Central,0.056478,-0.30328,0.110335,0.091402,-0.106862,-0.014808,-0.278896,-0.330536,-0.013352,-0.015976,-0.006093,-0.001934,0.000832,0.019739,-0.006977,0.008896,0.006246,0.001216,0.000996,-0.002212,-0.003779,0.005726,-0.001534,0.001336,0.001457
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Panama_&_Costa_Rica,0.056044,-0.301902,0.110928,0.093332,-0.106936,-0.017344,-0.285415,-0.340315,-0.013002,-0.015915,-0.004554,-0.002969,0.001961,0.021449,-0.009475,0.004799,0.009363,0.000784,-0.001149,-0.001048,-0.001569,0.00663,0.001121,0.000143,-0.001996
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Equador,0.054664,-0.306588,0.114946,0.095075,-0.108351,-0.018692,-0.295779,-0.353818,-0.013176,-0.014784,-0.002558,-0.000757,0.001037,0.024094,-0.008204,0.00293,0.007474,0.000345,-0.001138,-0.002098,0.000399,0.007289,-0.002249,-0.0015,-0.000937
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Colombia_&_Venezuela,0.05307,-0.317861,0.115729,0.100292,-0.11129,-0.01757,-0.305661,-0.364427,-0.01061,-0.015763,-0.007328,-0.002773,0.002137,0.024566,-0.007702,0.00542,0.010088,0.000538,-0.000471,-0.000438,-0.00078,0.007466,-0.001386,-0.000648,-0.006257
Amerindian:Indigenous_Americas-Chile,0.05466,-0.286402,0.116229,0.089378,-0.105743,-0.017427,-0.285517,-0.342822,-0.012308,-0.01389,-0.00394,-0.002634,0.001136,0.021809,-0.004388,0.009016,0.00742,-0.00103,0.000858,0.001504,-0.003907,0.007196,-0.000173,0.002458,-0.001836
Amerindian:Indigenous_Eastern_South_America:Amazon ian,0.055843,-0.318977,0.118412,0.104694,-0.116193,-0.017118,-0.321376,-0.380968,-0.014728,-0.019089,0.001017,-0.002324,-0.00031,0.03155,-0.00962,0.00407,0.009947,0.000892,0.00096,0.000969 ,-0.003528,0.012082,-0.003763,-0.004043,-0.006573
Amerindian:Indigenous_Eastern_South_America:East,0 .042868,-0.313739,0.091988,0.090614,-0.077372,-0.022179,-0.252136,-0.298598,-0.009961,-0.015597,0.006605,-0.004173,-0.002517,0.01184,-0.007362,0.003426,0.004923,-0.002301,0.001245,0.001254,0.000831,0.002662,0.000 085,-0.003328,-0.006936

Sub-Saharan_Africa:Mali,-0.615745,0.064132,0.019608,0.013048,0.000346,0.010 906,-0.042778,0.04396,-0.037659,0.027466,0.004621,0.000234,0.020742,-0.000107,0.012904,-0.010029,0.009559,-0.000864,0.000924,-0.001566,0.000097,-0.000041,0.000081,-0.00042,0.000393
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Senegal,-0.605478,0.064015,0.017755,0.010245,0.000644,0.008 441,-0.038013,0.038955,-0.029364,0.02482,0.004459,-0.001229,0.018671,-0.001223,0.015108,-0.011697,0.010389,-0.000844,-0.002658,-0.002054,-0.001802,-0.004688,0.001458,-0.001152,0.001759
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Ivory_Coast_&_Ghana,-0.624923,0.063968,0.020397,0.01507,0.000588,0.0125 38,-0.042471,0.043811,-0.042848,0.030719,0.004116,0.000739,0.020629,0.000 189,0.011846,-0.009521,0.008689,-0.000026,0.002869,-0.001694,-0.000144,0.001961,-0.000372,-0.00004,-0.000046
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Benin_&_Togo,-0.628349,0.06299,0.021541,0.016162,0.000532,0.0124 95,-0.043768,0.046449,-0.04687,0.032086,0.004452,0.000773,0.022247,0.0006 97,0.012297,-0.009578,0.007614,0.000291,0.004971,-0.002558,0.000988,0.002197,-0.001297,-0.000327,-0.000298
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Nigeria:North_&_East,-0.5449,0.072997,0.015331,-0.001074,0.003952,0.001961,-0.039777,0.039242,-0.014162,0.019842,0.002624,-0.001262,0.017926,-0.00292,0.012298,-0.011439,0.008059,-0.007294,-0.00569,-0.001036,-0.004063,-0.007767,0.006212,0.000114,0.000309
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Nigeria:South_&_West,-0.630713,0.063398,0.02224,0.017448,-0.0002,0.01266,-0.040385,0.04564,-0.048504,0.033549,0.005411,-0.000326,0.021827,0.001912,0.010571,-0.008425,0.007295,0.002093,0.005297,-0.001988,0.000859,0.001571,-0.001708,-0.000013,-0.001058
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Nigeria-East_Central,-0.597571,0.059916,0.009805,0.007752,-0.002462,0.00251,-0.035017,0.035075,0.013294,-0.027335,-0.012017,0.008243,-0.003419,-0.004404,0.003257,-0.005436,0.017211,-0.014949,0.005405,-0.012256,-0.005241,-0.005935,0.008381,-0.000723,-0.002395
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Mbuti,-0.647426,0.059104,0.025493,0.037403,-0.001108,0.006638,0.366335,-0.293434,0.017712,0.02985,-0.008932,0.219824,0.126451,0.001018,0.010342,-0.001405,0.000939,-0.051866,0.014229,0.003727,0.006114,-0.001855,-0.004388,0.00253,-0.000694
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Khoi-San,-0.619255,0.060272,0.021062,0.029232,0.001062,-0.001506,0.245457,-0.190746,0.02126,0.007326,0.002639,-0.063154,-0.023347,0.007088,0.023595,-0.026723,0.037909,0.336263,-0.112073,0.002814,-0.044397,-0.004006,0.008221,-0.004742,0.002287
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Western_Bantu_Peoples:North,-0.626355,0.063202,0.02075,0.016853,0.000373,0.0135 9,-0.019205,0.026158,-0.032436,0.017395,0.004556,-0.001335,0.000765,0.000199,-0.002687,0.003443,-0.003271,-0.000934,0.001131,0.001296,-0.001309,0.00058,-0.000058,-0.000584,-0.002351
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Western_Bantu_Peoples:South,-0.626719,0.064263,0.020335,0.016616,0.000048,0.012 423,-0.012271,0.019028,-0.031992,0.018272,0.004421,-0.00237,-0.002899,0.001067,-0.007451,0.006487,-0.006799,0.006656,-0.003825,0.003106,-0.000565,-0.000253,0.001347,-0.000541,-0.002523
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Nilotic_Peoples,-0.579886,0.053591,0.001037,-0.00664,-0.00177,-0.002974,-0.004666,0.010221,0.07646,-0.094737,-0.018999,0.024587,-0.03868,-0.000789,0.007921,-0.016391,0.018796,-0.010703,0.019224,-0.019273,0.000086,0.004937,-0.004554,-0.00326,0.003976
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Ethiopia_&_Eritrea,-0.218121,0.105393,-0.034006,-0.084066,0.00061,-0.038553,-0.015587,-0.000469,0.101667,-0.062023,-0.00141,-0.010892,0.018456,-0.000008,0.020897,-0.009271,0.00844,-0.000448,0.005398,0.002463,0.004297,0.006184,-0.002855,0.002244,-0.003208
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Somalia,-0.298817,0.093706,-0.027201,-0.068435,-0.00014,-0.034542,-0.019497,0.005198,0.116791,-0.080571,-0.008285,-0.006605,0.004149,-0.001574,0.024773,-0.017883,0.015103,-0.001405,0.010149,-0.004309,0.000597,0.003678,-0.003209,-0.001777,0.000137
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Eastern_Bantu_Peoples,-0.594232,0.054364,0.010258,0.006686,-0.006658,0.002845,-0.001097,0.007931,0.037094,-0.051688,-0.011226,0.019218,-0.027824,-0.000335,-0.008419,0.000743,0.006306,-0.003695,0.007441,-0.006024,-0.001477,0.003978,-0.002317,0.003161,0.00093
Sub-Saharan_Africa:Southern_Bantu_Peoples,-0.625666,0.063859,0.019953,0.016282,-0.000361,0.010286,0.003003,0.008519,-0.025845,0.011816,0.001588,-0.002576,-0.010762,0.001582,-0.013247,0.009436,-0.009045,0.028452,-0.014996,0.003896,-0.001566,-0.000888,0.001818,0.000699,-0.000001

Beowulf

03-29-2023, 08:25 PM

Eurafricanid

03-29-2023, 08:29 PM

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.4151% / 0.01415056
95.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
4.8 Morisco

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.4151% / 0.01415078
69.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
26.4 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
4.6 Morisco

:thumb001: :thumb001: :thumb001:

I know you're part british, does this make any difference?

Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.04 4013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.005 2637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05

One sample was wrong try to update the other post too. :thumb001:

Beowulf

03-29-2023, 08:32 PM

I know you're part british, does this make any difference?

Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.04 4013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.005 2637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05

One sample was wrong try to update the other post too. :thumb001:

with the british sample is perfect for me :eek:

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.3644% / 0.01364442
80.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
14.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland
5.6 Morisco

with the updated sample

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.4151% / 0.01415056
95.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
4.8 Morisco

(no changes)

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.3644% / 0.01364442
77.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
14.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
5.6 Morisco
2.8 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval

Jingle Bell

03-29-2023, 10:52 PM

Jingle Bell

03-29-2023, 10:54 PM

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9351% / 0.01935143
44.8 Sub-Saharan_Africa
36.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
13.6 Morisco
3.0 Serfadic
2.6 Amerindian

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9329% / 0.01932891
33.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
32.2 Sub-Saharan_Africa:Nigeria:South_&_West
13.0 Morisco
7.0 Sub-Saharan_Africa:Benin_&_Togo
3.8 Sub-Saharan_Africa:Southern_Bantu_Peoples
3.4 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
2.6 Serfadic:Sefardi_Average
2.6 Amerindian:Indigenous_Eastern_South_America:Amazon ian
1.0 Sub-Saharan_Africa:Khoi-San
0.8 Sub-Saharan_Africa:Somalia
0.4 Sub-Saharan_Africa:Mbuti

Oh, i thought i was more Moorish! xd
Good job, ur one looks way more realistic :p

Beowulf

03-29-2023, 10:55 PM

Nice work! Ik that some settlers of Eastern Iberians were Frenchs, so would be nice there a French reference also

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Mapa_reconquista_almohades-pt.svg/1024px-Mapa_reconquista_almohades-pt.svg.png

we can try this central French one:

France:French_Auvergne:C_34,0.12862,0.147252,0.053 928,0.014212,0.0397,0.011713,-0.00094,-0.001154,0.00409,0.014032,0.00065,0.003447,-0.013082,-0.013349,-0.000136,-0.010607,-0.010561,-0.001014,0,-0.005127,0.004118,0.001978,0.002342,0.003735,-0.008023

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.3499% / 0.01349870
74.8 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
12.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland
6.8 French_Settler
6.0 Morisco

Jingle Bell

03-29-2023, 11:02 PM

we can try this central French one:

France:French_Auvergne:C_34,0.12862,0.147252,0.053 928,0.014212,0.0397,0.011713,-0.00094,-0.001154,0.00409,0.014032,0.00065,0.003447,-0.013082,-0.013349,-0.000136,-0.010607,-0.010561,-0.001014,0,-0.005127,0.004118,0.001978,0.002342,0.003735,-0.008023

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.3499% / 0.01349870
74.8 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
12.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland
6.8 French_Settler
6.0 Morisco

Now ur British its perfect! literally 1/8!

mine:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9275% / 0.01927498
45.4 Sub-Saharan_Africa
32.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
13.4 Morisco
4.4 France
2.6 Amerindian
2.2 Serfadic

Beowulf

03-29-2023, 11:05 PM

Now ur British its perfect! literally 1/8!

mine:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9275% / 0.01927498
45.4 Sub-Saharan_Africa
32.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
13.4 Morisco
4.4 France
2.6 Amerindian
2.2 Serfadic

It's interesting your high Morisco

Eurafricanid

03-29-2023, 11:09 PM

Jingle Bell

03-29-2023, 11:10 PM

It's interesting your high Morisco

Prob bcs im of Western Iberian (Which are usually more North African shifted) and also some Morsicos/New Christians were expeled to Brazil, one of my family surnames means "Moor" xd

Jingle Bell

03-29-2023, 11:13 PM

Good idea! I might update this later with an actual Medieval French component to see, but it looks pretty good! :thumb001:

Mine without French:
Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.3605% / 0.01360519
46.8 Sub-Saharan_Africa
45.4 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
5.2 Italian_MA
2.6 Amerindian

Mine with French:
Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.3481% / 0.01348145
46.8 Sub-Saharan_Africa
40.6 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
5.2 France
4.8 Italian_MA
2.6 Amerindian

Its very interesting that u always seens Italian shifted, always in g25 u score some extra Italian/Roman, theres also some migration of Britons to Gallaecia during Goth/Final Roman period, may they did a possible impact but will prob overlap with Visigoth so better not

Beowulf

03-29-2023, 11:15 PM

gixajo

03-29-2023, 11:17 PM

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.5325% / 0.02532455
99.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
1.0 Morisco

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7762% / 0.02776227
91.6 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
8.4 Morisco

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.2564% / 0.03256401
100.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.5325% / 0.02532455
56.8 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
42.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
1.0 Morisco

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7762% / 0.02776227
79.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
12.4 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
8.4 Morisco

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.2564% / 0.03256401
54.6 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
45.4 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval

Jingle Bell

03-29-2023, 11:18 PM

Yes i know about Britonia

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretones_en_Galicia_y_Asturias

Theres somewhere that say how much imigrated? ik Suebis were ~30.000 or 50.000, moors were also abt 30.00, but abt Britons idk

gixajo

03-29-2023, 11:24 PM

With France:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.5325% / 0.02532455
99.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
1.0 Morisco

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7460% / 0.02746008
77.6 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
12.6 France
9.8 Morisco

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.1101% / 0.03110147
71.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
29.0 France

And with English:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.5325% / 0.02532455
99.0 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
1.0 Morisco

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7762% / 0.02776227
91.6 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
8.4 Morisco

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.9475% / 0.02947456
65.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
34.8 Great_Britain_&_Ireland

Eurafricanid

03-29-2023, 11:24 PM

Its very interesting that u always seens Italian shifted, always in g25 u score some extra Italian/Roman, theres also some migration of Britons to Gallaecia during Goth/Final Roman period, may they did a possible impact but will prob overlap with Visigoth so better not

Yeah, it's very interesting that I'm not matching Sephardic Jewish either, and you did, so it's probably not a misreading, I think, also because it's a pretty Northern Italian sample (before mixing with Lombards) that doesn't overlap very much with Jews, anyways, yes and also, the French somewhat overlap with mixed visigoth, too.

Beowulf

03-29-2023, 11:38 PM

Theres somewhere that say how much imigrated? ik Suebis were ~30.000 or 50.000, moors were also abt 30.00, but abt Britons idk

No idea i couldn't find any source that explains that but i bet they weren't to much the one's who cames here were like religious people that were escaping to the Anglo-Saxon invasion.

DraviXi99

03-30-2023, 02:07 AM

Theres somewhere that say how much imigrated? ik Suebis were ~30.000 or 50.000, moors were also abt 30.00, but abt Britons idk

How much of visigoths immgrated to iberia ?

Marshall Theodore

03-30-2023, 02:27 AM

Theres somewhere that say how much imigrated? ik Suebis were ~30.000 or 50.000, moors were also abt 30.00, but abt Britons idk

Did you mean "30.000"? 30.000 moors in entire iberia?

Kriptc06

03-30-2023, 03:39 AM

Target: Kriptc_23nme
Distance: 1.6365% / 0.01636520
51.2 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
26.4 Italian_MA
12.4 Amerindian
10.0 Sub-Saharan_Africa

Target: Kriptc_gma_maternal
Distance: 0.7402% / 0.00740192
53.4 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
20.6 Sub-Saharan_Africa
14.8 Amerindian
11.2 Morisco

Target: Kriptc_aunt
Distance: 3.6088% / 0.03608750
62.6 Italian_MA
36.8 Reconquista_Northern_Settler
0.6 Amerindian

Jingle Bell

03-30-2023, 08:56 AM

Did you mean "30.000"? 30.000 moors in entire iberia?

yep, was a small number, they come with some civils but anyway were few invaders

Jingle Bell

03-30-2023, 08:57 AM

How much of visigoths immgrated to iberia ?

no idea, but prob no less than 25.000

Beraud

03-30-2023, 09:14 AM

Aren't there some real moorish samples with which you could compare the distance ? Because I think moriscos were already heavily mixed with native Iberians weren't they

gixajo

03-30-2023, 10:32 AM

Aren't there some real moorish samples with which you could compare the distance ? Because I think moriscos were already heavily mixed with native Iberians weren't they

Same as Visigothic Spanish samples, the most "Germanic" of them looks like a French from Alsace.

We even have Visigothic individuals that are similar than Moriscos (were labelled as "Visigothic Granada"if I remember well), so heavily mixed Iberian+Berber (and others). ¿Why? Because Visigothic Kingdom was also linked with North Africa, (some Visigothic noblemen have lands in northern Mediterranean current Moroccan coasts) and Byzantines rule areas both in SE Iberia and Northern African coasts.

The global painting of Iberia pre-Muslim conquest is not achieved by putting the purest components of each people that has passed through the peninsula in a model. It was not so simple.

We cannot do more than approaches. :)

Beowulf

03-30-2023, 11:18 AM

How much of visigoths immgrated to iberia ?

Some say that as much were 500.000 anorher reasonable number was around 250.000 or 300.000 and there are some other sources that say that they were less than 100.000

Gallop

03-30-2023, 11:31 AM

Evidently I was there and the calculator did not satisfy me at all, so I have had to make profound changes to it.

mozarabic (Modern term misused since they called themselves Latinos)
adjective - common noun
1.
[person] Who was Hispanic-Roman and lived in the Muslim territory of the Iberian Peninsula during the Islamic domination.

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.9850% / 0.01984964
83.0 Mozárabes
8.8 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK345
5.6 Iberian_North_Christian_Reduct
1.4 Arab_Elite
0.8 Ancient_Norwegian
0.4 Mongol

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.5020% / 0.02502023
63.2 Mozárabes
15.4 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK345
12.6 Iberian_North_Christian_Reduct
7.2 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
1.6 Baltic(Lithuania)

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.02648723 Mozárabes
0.03594871 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.03760081 Iberian_North_Christian_Reduct
0.04121457 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK345
0.04537167 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
0.05086793 Frank(France)
0.05500736 Avar(Austria)
0.05976208 Italian_MA
0.06041764 Illyrian(Serbia)
0.08087377 Celtic_Insular_Briton(England)
0.08743125 Celtic_Insular_Picts(Scotland)
0.09713074 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average
0.09765742 Germanic_Longobard(Italian_Peninsula)
0.09875496 Germanic(Sweden)

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02048255 Mozárabes
0.03209472 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Girona_Medieval
0.03428420 Iberian_North_Christian_Reduct
0.04069256 VK2020_SWE_Oland_VA:VK345
0.04401080 Reconquista_Northern_Settler:Visigoth_Medieval
0.04638362 Frank(France)
0.05173055 Avar(Austria)
0.05850470 Italian_MA
0.06022176 Illyrian(Serbia)
0.07641494 Celtic_Insular_Briton(England)
0.08257973 Celtic_Insular_Picts(Scotland)
0.09535777 Germanic_Longobard(Italian_Peninsula)
0.09732310 Germanic(Sweden)
0.09733199 Ancient_Norwegian
0.09764814 Serfadic:Erfurt_&_Norwich_Average