Dear TA Romanians, How Does the Romance Spoken Below Sound to You?

[Occiput in Starlight]

I refer to the senior gentleman:


https://youtu.be/S7YxqZzUDaw

[Occiput in Starlight]

All Romance speakers welcome to share their thoughts.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

All Romance speakers welcome to share their thoughts.

Sounds like Romanian to me, can’t notice any difference but Romanian is the Romance language I understand the least.

[Occiput in Starlight]

Sounds like Romanian to me, can’t notice any difference but Romanian is the Romance language I understand the least.

Cheers.

The gentleman in the vid interests me because he is from eastern Serbia.

[Seya]

Standard Romanian

[Occiput in Starlight]

Standard Romanian

Thank you, kindly,


OiS

[dviz]

Thank you, kindly,


Seya is right. It's pretty much standard rural Romanian.

[Nurzat]

it is specifically Banat/Southwestern Romanian, close to standard because standard is a southern variety. they say че/чи instead of те/ти, дже/джи instead of де/ди, ше/ши instead of че/чи..

my mom's Moldovan variety is barely intelligible for non-Moldovans and it's inside Romania, so it's mindblowing they speak such Romanian in Serbia, though I know Timok is traditionally Vlach. same with my dad's Ukrainian: several Ukrainians told me Ukrainians in Romania speak the purest non-Russified best sounding Ukrainian they've heard, so it seems these inversions happen (they are dying dialects though, I suppose)

[Occiput in Starlight]

Seya is right. It's pretty much standard rural Romanian.

Cheers,


OiS


it is specifically Banat/Southwestern Romanian, close to standard because standard is a southern variety. they say че/чи instead of те/ти, дже/джи instead of де/ди, ше/ши instead of че/чи..

my mom's Moldovan variety is barely intelligible for non-Moldovans and it's inside Romania, so it's mindblowing they speak such Romanian in Serbia, though I know Timok is traditionally Vlach. same with my dad's Ukrainian: several Ukrainians told me Ukrainians in Romania speak the purest non-Russified best sounding Ukrainian they've heard, so it seems these inversions happen (they are dying dialects though, I suppose)

Thank you for the reply.

Re: Central Serbia:

Apparently there are also communties where more Wallachian influenced dialects are spoken, but Banat varieties dominate.

I'll find a vid of Romance speakers from North Macedonia. I'm curious how different from Timockan it will sound to you?

OiS

[Occiput in Starlight]

Wiki on Serbia:

The ungureni have a speech closely related to the Banat Romanian dialect while the dialect of the țărani is closer to the Wallachian one. Dialectally, there are two other groups of Vlachs, the munteni and the bufani, but these are largely assimilated into the former two.

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Romance from North Macedonia:


https://youtu.be/YsKNUyVOLBg

[Occiput in Starlight]

my mom's Moldovan variety is barely intelligible for non-Moldovans and it's inside Romania, so it's mindblowing they speak such Romanian in Serbia, though I know Timok is traditionally Vlach.

The Romance speakers of Central Serbia certainly have their own Vlach identiy but the majority are descendants of Romanian settlers.

[Seya]

Romance from North Macedonia:


https://youtu.be/YsKNUyVOLBg

I understand 90% of the words, basically I understand everything he says. Half of the words are pronounced like in Romanian but the rest of them not quite. Some of them have a missing letter or a different letter here and there that might confuse you if you don't pay very much attention. Like for example the word "pónzi" that in Romanian would be translated in "pânză".

[Occiput in Starlight]

I understand 90% of the words, basically I understand everything he says. Half of the words are pronounced like in Romanian but the rest of them not quite. Some of them have a missing letter or a different letter here and there that might confuse you if you don't pay very much attention. Like for example the word "pónzi" that in Romanian would be translated in "pânză".

Cheers.

I am only surprised how familiar Aromanian sounded to you.

[Nurzat]

Cheers.

I am only surprised how familiar Aromanian sounded to you.

Romanian in a bit more archaic form with some Greek words and Greek pronunciation in it, but still much less Greek than the old Ruthenian/Slavic words in Moldovan older (Vaslui) dialect.

offtopic:
I think Vlachs formed there, between Thessaly and Timok, at most between Thessaly and mountaineous Banat/Apuseni, and then at some point expanded elsewhere. they are most recent into northern Transylvania, Bucovina, Moldova and Dobrudja, where Romanian-speaking populations are just Romanianized Slavs and whatever other local populations they found.

also the initial Romance populations of the Balkans must have been quite mixed in origin and quite non-Italic, basically local Balkan and Oriental linguistically Romanized veterans with local women, so the Romance language isn't local per se to the Balkans, however it's interesting how it formed, survived, thrived etc, though speakers should understand they don't come from Rome, genetically :) I don't know elsewhere, but in Romania common opinion is they are Romans, with some Dacian in it, while in practice I suppose they are totally a different mix of origins (just a mix of Neolithic leftovers with a mix of later invasions leftovers, like Scythians, Celts, Germanics, over which other invasion leftovers came in each epoch, from Slavs after 500 CE to Steppe Turkics to Roma in the Middle Ages, to Greeks after 1700s to Jews after 1800s). I find this more real approach more fascinating to think where my genes came from than fantasize about Rome/Italic peninsula. just an opinion, don't shoot xD

[billErobreren]

Is this what they call Aromanian? Sounds nice regardless, I speak two romance languages, but they don't really sound like this.

[Occiput in Starlight]

Romanian in a bit more archaic form with some Greek words and Greek pronunciation in it, but still much less Greek than the old Ruthenian/Slavic words in Moldovan older (Vaslui) dialect.

offtopic:
I think Vlachs formed there, between Thessaly and Timok, at most between Thessaly and mountaineous Banat/Apuseni, and then at some point expanded elsewhere. they are most recent into northern Transylvania, Bucovina, Moldova and Dobrudja, where Romanian-speaking populations are just Romanianized Slavs and whatever other local populations they found.

also the initial Romance populations of the Balkans must have been quite mixed in origin and quite non-Italic, basically local Balkan and Oriental linguistically Romanized veterans with local women, so the Romance language isn't local per se to the Balkans, however it's interesting how it formed, survived, thrived etc, though speakers should understand they don't come from Rome, genetically :) I don't know elsewhere, but in Romania common opinion is they are Romans, with some Dacian in it, while in practice I suppose they are totally a different mix of origins (just a mix of Neolithic leftovers with a mix of later invasions leftovers, like Scythians, Celts, Germanics, over which other invasion leftovers came in each epoch, from Slavs after 500 CE to Steppe Turkics to Roma in the Middle Ages, to Greeks after 1700s to Jews after 1800s). I find this more real approach more fascinating to think where my genes came from than fantasize about Rome/Italic peninsula. just an opinion, don't shoot xD

I enjoyed reading your offtopic big time.

[ioas12]

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[Varda]

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What about this (from 2:09)?


https://youtu.be/aoa-XfY0RAs

[Seya]

What about this (from 2:09)?


https://youtu.be/aoa-XfY0RAs

This is different than any balkan romance (or whatever you wanna call it) language I've heard before. It's not very understandable. I can understand words. It's probably also the pronunciation. I'm sure if I see it written it will be much easier. At some point he started to speak more understandable then again not much.

[Nurzat]

What about this (from 2:09)?

some bits are just as Romanian, with the difference that they are pronounced in a Greek fashion (фудзя instead of фуджа for example), other bits are harder to understand but overall it's still instantly recognizable as Aromanian, despite his paeticular speaking, with the unrolled R for example), and you have to know what some archaic words mean, like пикурарь for shepherd, фята for girl, диту for from etc

[Duke]

How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRHHYh5inX0

What i am hearing, they are mixing it with slavic a lot, so i guess it will be harder

[Nurzat]

the Romanian bits are maybe half of it and they sound like Banat accent in a way, not as archaic as Aromanians, also what is obvious is this guy doesn't speak it properly, he tries hard and throws the words he knows but replaces all the rest with I assume Croat. those two languages he mixes are not reconciled like in natural speech, so it is obvious this is not a spoken language (the resulting mix). well, interesting nevertheless

[dviz]

How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRHHYh5inX0

What i am hearing, they are mixing it with slavic a lot, so i guess it will be harder

I am not sure the young guy is fluent. As a Romanian, I can understand a little more from what the old woman is saying, but it's hard to tell whether the amount of Slavic words they use is due to the fact they're bilingual or because those Slavic words were indeed part of the Istro-Romanian vocabulary, let's say, 100 years ago. In any case, it's even less intelligible than Aromanian to Romanians.

At this point, among Balkan Romance languages, I think only Romanian and Aromanian have enough speakers to really know how they sounds like.

[Varda]

some bits are just as Romanian, with the difference that they are pronounced in a Greek fashion (фудзя instead of фуджа for example), other bits are harder to understand but overall it's still instantly recognizable as Aromanian, despite his paeticular speaking, with the unrolled R for example), and you have to know what some archaic words mean, like пикурарь for shepherd, фята for girl, диту for from etc

Thanks.

I suppose this is like standard Romanian language?


https://youtu.be/Tnn2QItat_4

[Nurzat]

Thanks.

I suppose this is like standard Romanian language?

hahahha xD that is exactly the Banat accent, in Romania it's only spoken in the countryside Banat and in "popular" music, as Romanians call their blend of folklore and orchestra. but it is 100% understandable for all Romanians, actually Romanian dialects are only differing in accent, except for Moldovan which has an abundance of Ruthenian and Csango words (slightly transformed though)

[Varda]

hahahha xD that is exactly the Banat accent, in Romania it's only spoken in the countryside Banat and in "popular" music, as Romanians call their blend of folklore and orchestra. but it is 100% understandable for all Romanians, actually Romanian dialects are only differing in accent, except for Moldovan which has an abundance of Ruthenian and Csango words (slightly transformed though)

On the video that i posted in previous post are Vlachs from eastern Serbia. On the car licence plates is ZA, it means Zaječar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaječar
Vlachs from that part of Serbia originated from Oltenia and eastern Banat, they settled from there 300 years ago. Name of female singer is Valentina Munćanović. Her surname came from Munćani (Munteani), that is one branch of eastern Serbian Vlachs with roots from eastern (mountain) part of Banat https://youtu.be/PcZpRCxtO5Y

Serbian Vlachs have many funny songs.


https://youtu.be/QegSWfcT_uE

[Tommie]

Serbian Vlachs have many funny songs.


https://youtu.be/QegSWfcT_uE
Ahahaha :lol:

[coolfrenchguy]

I refer to the senior gentleman:


https://youtu.be/S7YxqZzUDaw

far from french ,french is more construct than that ,some tiny latin similarities but very far from french

Français


Roumain
Prononciation standard
Mot français de même origine
Mot latin correspondant
Mot italien


corps
corp
[korp]
corps
corpus
corpo


roman
roman
[ro'man]
roman
romanorum
romanzo


pays
țară
['tsa.rə]
terre
terra
terra


terre
pământ
[pə'mɨnt]
pavé
pavimentum
pavimento


ciel
cer
[tʃer]
ciel
caelum
cielo


eau
apă
['a.pə]
eau (occitan « aiga »), aqueux
aqua
acqua


feu
foc
[fok]
feu
focum
fuoco


homme (être humain)
om
[om]
homme
homo
uomo


homme (mâle)
bărbat
[bər'bat]
barbu
barbatus
barbuto


femme
femeie
[fe'me.je] (ie: diphtongue (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtongue))
famille, femme
femina, familia
famiglia


mou
moale
['mo̯a.le] (oa: diphtongue (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtongue))
mou (devant voyelle, « mol »)
mollis
molle


manger
a mânca
[a.mɨn'ka]
manger
manducare
mangiare


boire
a bea
[a'be̯a] (ea: diphtongue (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtongue))
boire
bibere
bere


mer
mare
['ma.re]
mer
mare
mare


petit
mic
[mik]
mie
medium
mezzo


nuit
noapte
['no̯ap.te] (oa: diphtongue (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphtongue))
nuit
nox, noctis
notte


jour
zi
[zi]
-di (lundi, mardi, etc)
dies
-di (lunedi, martedi, etc), giorno, buon-dì


front
frunte
['frun.te]
front
fruntum
fronte


tempe
tâmplă
['tɨm.plə]
tempe
tempa
tempia


temple
templu
['tem.plu]
temple
templum
tempio


menuisier
tâmplar
[tɨm'plar]
templier
templum
templare


Phrases communes

Français
Roumain
Transcription phonétique
Traduction mot à mot


Salut !
Salut! / Bună!
/sa'lut/
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Comment t'appelles-tu ?
Cum te cheamă?
/'kum.te'kěa.mə↘/
Comment on t'appelle?


Comment vous appelez-vous ?
Cum vă numiți?
/'kum.və.nu'mitsʲ↘/
Comment vous vous nommez?


Comment vas-tu ?
Ce mai faci? / Ce faci? (plus familier)
/'tʃe.maj.fatʃʲ↘/
Que encore fais-tu?


Au revoir !
La revedere! / Pa! (plus courant)
/la.re.ve'de.re/pa/
-


À plus tard !
Pe mai târziu!
/pe.maj.tɨr.'ziǔ/
-


S'il vous plaît.
Vă rog.
/və'rog/
Je vous en prie. (latin rogare).


Je suis désolé(e).
Îmi pare rău. / Pardon
/ɨmʲ'pa.re'rəǔ↘/
(ceci/il) me paraît mal.


Merci.
Mulțumesc./ Mersi.*
/mul.tsu'mesk/
Je remercie.


Oui.
Da.
/da/
-


Non.
Nu.
/nu/
-


Je ne comprends pas.
Nu înțeleg.
/'nu.ɨn.tse.leg↘/
-


Où sont les toilettes ?
Unde e toaleta/WC-ul?
/'un.de.je.to.a'le.ta↘/
Où est la toilette/le WC ?


Parlez-vous français ?
Vorbiți franceză?
/vor'bitsʲ.fraŋ'tʃe.za↗/
Parlez-vous le français?


Parlez-vous roumain ?
Vorbiți românește?
/vor'bitsʲ.ro.mɨ'neʃ.te↗/
Parlez-vous de manière roumaine?


Très bien.
Foarte bine.
/'fǒar.te'bi.ne/
Fort bien.


Comme je suis content(e) de te revoir !
Ce mă bucur că te văd din nou!
/'tʃe.mə'bu.kur.kə.te.'vəd.din.noǔ/
Qu'est-ce que je me réjouis que je te vois (de nouveau) !


Je t'aime.
Te iubesc.
/te.ju.'besk/
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* Les Roumains ont emprunté le mot français mais Mulțumesc est toujours utilisé.

[coolfrenchguy]

Ahahaha :lol:
the worse music on earth serbian turbo-folk (originally a roma/mani shit) ,how people can listen this horrible shit, turbo-folk is the shame of modern music

[Varda]

Aromanian (left) and Romanian (right).
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/1687184097367-png.1363255/

[Occiput in Starlight]

I was just reading the legendary Vlach thread on Krstarica earlier today.