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Eurafricanid
04-18-2023, 09:05 PM
Target: Portuguese
Distance: 3.0015% / 0.03001471
53.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.8941% / 0.02894142
53.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0 WHG
5.4 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7225% / 0.03722547
53.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.0 WHG
5.2 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0338% / 0.05033782
53.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.4 WHG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.2014% / 0.03201436
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2020% / 0.03201999
54.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.0 WHG
4.6 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7527% / 0.02752659
55.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
4.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Han



Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.3926% / 0.03392611
55.0 TUR_Barcin_N
28.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.4 WHG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3687% / 0.03368652
56.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.2 WHG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2955% / 0.03295543
54.0 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 WHG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Eivissa
Distance: 3.1579% / 0.03157850
55.6 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8847% / 0.03884661
55.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8451% / 0.02845128
56.0 TUR_Barcin_N
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.4614% / 0.04461424
55.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.3974% / 0.03397358
56.8 TUR_Barcin_N
27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.6 WHG
1.4 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1615% / 0.05161450
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.6 WHG


Is this already expected by yall? What do yall think about this?

RyoHazuki
04-20-2023, 04:41 AM
Possibly from Tartessians (notice how Basques have none)

Smeagol
04-20-2023, 05:44 AM
Based on the history of the Iberian Peninsula, it's actually impressive they have so little Moorish blood.

Laredo
04-20-2023, 06:11 AM
Based on the history of the Iberian Peninsula, it's actually impressive they have so little Moorish blood.

Yes, but they do have ancient components native to the middle east and north africa .

Spaniards are very homogeneous people you can literally find In Spain people who can look from light skin punjabis to pseudo mestizo.

Don't let Gallop's thread fool you they are far being blonde blue eyed majority they hugely Mediterranean Atlanto med follow by Gracile med and Alpine and Berids and lastly Arabic & mixes between etc.

HelloGuys
04-20-2023, 06:36 AM
Based on the history of the Iberian Peninsula, it's actually impressive they have so little Moorish blood.

Full North Africans/Berbers score in average around 33% of Taforalt, so calculate the percentage.

Roy
04-20-2023, 11:29 AM
It's an old news. Yes most Iberians have some North African ancestry, but not a lot.

gixajo
04-20-2023, 11:48 AM
Something normal considering that the Iberian peninsula is 14 km from North Africa, and the traditional ties that have united both shores of the Strait of Gibraltar since ancient times with very diverse historical events and with a multitude of cultures involved.. :bored0:

Also North Africans show in their results with the same components a quite higher EEF+Steppe+WHG percentage derived from this geographical proximity to Europe, its Mediterranean&Atlantic "character", and the input caused by ancient and modern historical events. :shrug:

Garza Blanca
04-20-2023, 12:57 PM
Based on the history of the Iberian Peninsula, it's actually impressive they have so little Moorish blood.

How can you prove this is exclusively "moorish" blood?

Linking Iberian NA only to moors is like linking some mongoloid blood from Northern Europeans to mongol invasions.

Jingle Bell
04-20-2023, 01:10 PM
Full North Africans/Berbers score in average around 33% of Taforalt, so calculate the percentage.

Ye but mainly of that blood get in Iberia during Late IA or Roman Era, not rly moorish

Gallop
04-20-2023, 01:22 PM
We always get in G25 Taforalt, but I didn't get any snp with Taforalt with any Taforalt sample in Gedmatch, so?

I have all the screenshots because in Gedmatch the samples are there today and gone tomorrow.

We do not feel any sentiment with North Africa, proximity or coincidence and in fact if some Moors remained after the Reconquest is because they accepted the new Christian order and all the cultural assimilation that being Spanish is Western and European.

So for modern Spaniards and Na there is an unbridgeable gap at all levels.

And if any foreigner pretends otherwise it will have the opposite effect in a greater rejection if possible. So be careful because it is a subject that takes us out of our minds. at least for any self-respecting Spaniard.

Petalpusher
04-20-2023, 01:49 PM
How can you prove this is exclusively "moorish" blood?

Linking Iberian NA only to moors is like linking some mongoloid blood from Northern Europeans to mongol invasions.

Because of IBD, the share segments match the admixture, and the direction of the geneflow.

https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.1306223110/asset/fa017260-3866-46e6-9b51-2c19b5767ea1/assets/graphic/pnas.1306223110fig03.jpeg

Regardless when or where it came from, it's the same source present in the current NA populations (highest in Morrocco, even splitted in north+south).
Reversly you can also tell just by this, there are other admixtures such as the Mongoloid you refer to in some populations, since it's predatory to the normal signal Europeans share with other pred West Eurasians like NAs, when it goes abnormally low. Romanians, Finns in particular.

Garza Blanca
04-20-2023, 03:57 PM
Because of IBD, the share segments match the admixture, and the direction of the geneflow.

I think you didnt understood my previous reply, i was referring to the stereotype of NA blood being associated exclusively to moorish/muslim times, and i also suppose you promoted this erroneous idea.

But ok, i didnt expect so much from an "genetics enthusiast".


Reversly you can also tell just by this, there are other admixtures such as the Mongoloid you refer to in some populations, since it's predatory to the normal signal Europeans share with other pred West Eurasians like NAs, when it goes abnormally low. Romanians, Finns in particular.
Sure, and also poles... who loves to point some non-euro admix in some euro ethnicity in every genetics section thread, isnt it, buddy?

Also, show me some graph of any type of admixture, including mongoloid, in any other european pop, if you can do it, of course, pal, i would love to see it.

Petalpusher
04-20-2023, 04:40 PM
I think you didnt understood my previous reply, i was referring to the stereotype of NA blood being associated exclusively to moorish/muslim times, and i also suppose you promoted this erroneous idea.

Im aware there may be different events in times from the neolithic and even before that but replacing something with...the same thing later, is not gonna make much difference wether it's from 2000 years or 100 years ago, only the end result matters. The predicted dates of admixtures mesh with historical records, as well as the fact admixture takes time to spread evenly.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/NorthAfricanAdmixtureIberianPeninsula.jpg




Sure, and also poles... who loves to point some non-euro admix in some euro ethnicity in every genetics section thread, isnt it, buddy?

Also, show me some graph of any type of admixture, including mongoloid, in any other european pop, if you can do it, of course, pal, i would love to see it, specially in Germans hehe.

Im about as Pole as you might be Albanian... my flag is of Monaco (just turn it upsidedown for Poles). Not showing you anything, you didn't even say please.

Garza Blanca
04-20-2023, 04:43 PM
Not showing you anything, you didn't even say please.

In other words, you cannot do it, as expected.

I probably touched a nerve, but do you think i care?

Garza Blanca
04-20-2023, 04:48 PM
Im aware there may be different events in times from the neolithic and even before that but replacing something with...the same thing later, is not gonna make much difference wether it's from 2000 years or 100 years ago, only the end result matters. The predicted dates of admixtures mesh with historical records, as well as the fact admixture takes time to spread evenly.

I see it, you never change, you can spread all of your hypothesis about every subject here and in forums like Anthrogenica, but you should also be aware that your perspective must not be taken seriously, "gene enthusiast" lulz.

alnortedelsur
04-20-2023, 05:21 PM
Yes, but they do have ancient components native to the middle east and north africa .

Spaniards are very homogeneous people you can literally find In Spain people who can look from light skin punjabis to pseudo mestizo.

Don't let Gallop's thread fool you they are far being blonde blue eyed majority they hugely Mediterranean Atlanto med follow by Gracile med and Alpine and Berids and lastly Arabic & mixes between etc.

Says the expert, who knows Spain better than myself (that have lived in Spain, and visited Spain), and than Spaniards themselves.

Without pretending that most Spaniards are blond, light eyed, and gringo looking (nobody on here has claimed that), but your claims of them being mostly swarthy and exotic bunch of people are bull shit.

Laredo
04-20-2023, 06:27 PM
Says the expert, who knows Spain better than myself (that have lived in Spain, and visited Spain), and than Spaniards themselves.

Without pretending that most Spaniards are blond, light eyed, and gringo looking (nobody on here has claimed that), but your claims of them being mostly swarthy and exotic bunch of people are bull shit.

You can be very knowledgeable of a specific country If you studied It hard which I've done, trolling aside Spaniards are on average European and look so, but that doesn't remove the fact of a huge minority of its population looking like I mentioned.


Spaniards like Gallop and CV only post their 20-30% of their lightest spectrum, and I don't mean their skin color but facial features that are passable from the British Isles to Spain the rest are simply "Mediterranean" with an important pseudo exotic types.


It's always you In a defensive mode 99% of my post of Spaniards are now serious, stop relying from my trolling past I've mature a lot In a emotional point.


You get butthurt when I speak the truth.

Gallop
04-20-2023, 07:59 PM
@Laredo

Heart of melon I publish exclusively Andalusians, who are also Spanish, of course.

I don't even look at the tone, I'm not from the American continent, I know that my Andalusians or Spaniards are within the averages because we don't have anything like a Pakistani or Indian and when I saw the pictures of central Italy I would dare to say that we don't have anything like that either.

Melon heart that I don't even look at the tones of my Andalusians, that Spain is not in America. :D


I'm very hurt by what you said to me the other day, but well, I won't hold it against you.

Laredo
04-20-2023, 08:17 PM
@Laredo

Heart of melon I publish exclusively Andalusians, who are also Spanish, of course.

I don't even look at the tone, I'm not from the American continent, I know that my Andalusians or Spaniards are within the averages because we don't have anything like a Pakistani or Indian and when I saw the pictures of central Italy I would dare to say that we don't have anything like that either.

Melon heart that I don't even look at the tones of my Andalusians, that Spain is not in America. :D


I'm very hurt by what you said to me the other day, but well, I won't hold it against you.

What did I said to you the other day that was hurtful to you? I have not been mean to you at all and trust me I can be very disgusting person but thank God I can now control my emotions or think before I say stuff.

I'm not trolling you or anything, as a matter of fact you have been very disrespectful towards me Saying " I'm European and you are not"

As if being European it's better than having health and money which those too are now my life priorities than being European ..


Seriously..

RyoHazuki
04-20-2023, 08:37 PM
If this is going to turn into a thread about calling Spaniards arabs or whatever I hope its removed because its either trolling or ridiculous.

Smeagol
04-20-2023, 09:45 PM
How can you prove this is exclusively "moorish" blood?

Linking Iberian NA only to moors is like linking some mongoloid blood from Northern Europeans to mongol invasions.

It doesn't really matter what era it comes from. A Moor is a Moor.

Garza Blanca
04-20-2023, 10:52 PM
It doesn't really matter what era it comes from. A Moor is a Moor.

Yes, but you can use this "logic" against yourself (and other euros/pred-euros).

- A kebab is a kebab, no matter what era WEST ASIAN comes from, and therefore, there's a lot of "Kebab blood" in Europe.

- A castizo is a castizo, no matter what era ANE comes from, and therefore there's a lot of "castizo" blood in Europe. You can also call this type of West + East Eurasian mix as "Hun", lulz.

- A chink is a chink, no matter what era minor Nganasan-like comes from, and now every northern euro has minor mong blood (and i dont doubt it).

Those are examples, but you can apply your funny "logic" to any other extra-european component present in Europe, boy.

Smeagol
04-21-2023, 12:18 AM
Yes, but you can use this "logic" against yourself (and other euros/pred-euros).

- A kebab is a kebab, no matter what era WEST ASIAN comes from, and therefore, there's a lot of "Kebab blood" in Europe.

- A castizo is a castizo, no matter what era ANE comes from, and therefore there's a lot of "castizo" blood in Europe. You can also call this type of West + East Eurasian mix as "Hun", lulz.

- A chink is a chink, no matter what era minor Nganasan-like comes from, and now every northern euro has minor mong blood (and i dont doubt it).

Those are examples, but you can apply your funny "logic" to any other extra-european component present in Europe, boy.

I'm not using it "against" anyone. If foreign admixture exists in Europe which it surely does, then it is what it is. Doesn't really matter how old it is. Europeans still form a tight cluster on PCA plots and are clearly a distinct population group though.

RyoHazuki
04-21-2023, 01:49 AM
Stop replying to these troll responses. They never post in the DNA boards and they only come to call people mongols or kebabs.

Friends of Oliver Society
04-21-2023, 02:49 AM
Stop replying to these troll responses. They never post in the DNA boards and they only come to call people mongols or kebabs.

Smeagol isn't a troll.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about NA admixture. Maybe it's because I find Moorish history and NA history interesting.

What I don't understand is how it is that Galicia has one of the highest NA admixture in Spain, considering only the southern part of Galicia was under Berber rule for a couple of decades.

Dick
04-21-2023, 03:01 AM
Smeagol isn't a troll.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about NA admixture. Maybe it's because I find Moorish history and NA history interesting.

What I don't understand is how it is that Galicia has one of the highest NA admixture in Spain, considering only the southern part of Galicia was under Berber rule for a couple of decades.

the Suebi were angry negritos

Laredo
04-21-2023, 04:19 AM
the Suebi were angry negritos

Or could It be Gallop's great great great dad fought the moors and sent them to Galicia or Portugal.

Jejeje

axel.aleman
04-21-2023, 11:55 AM
Smeagol isn't a troll.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about NA admixture. Maybe it's because I find Moorish history and NA history interesting.

What I don't understand is how it is that Galicia has one of the highest NA admixture in Spain, considering only the southern part of Galicia was under Berber rule for a couple of decades.

Ask HelloGuys about neolithic migration, he explain this better than me

Petalpusher
04-21-2023, 12:58 PM
Smeagol isn't a troll.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about NA admixture. Maybe it's because I find Moorish history and NA history interesting.

What I don't understand is how it is that Galicia has one of the highest NA admixture in Spain, considering only the southern part of Galicia was under Berber rule for a couple of decades.

Since Portugal has the highest amount in general, it don't find it weird Galicia would have high NA for Spain. One pattern i ve noticed through the years with admixture is it tends to spread to the end of the road from the direction of the entry point, and often even piles up more strongly there than closer to its source, basically it gathers where a genetic barrier pops up (sea in this case). Im not sure the exact reason but i ve noticed it many times and find it a bit interesting it shows such "behavior". For sure admixture doesn't stop to spread once the ancestors of said admixture were killed or expelled, if the offsprings are still roaming around.


The figures in the op are actually higher than what academic studies find, even if he probably doesn't realize it. Obviously NAs today are not only made of Taforalt, as Helloguys pointed out they are on average only 1/3 Taforalt, the math is simple and that's what we usually see in mixed mode oracles of Portugueses for example.

Beowulf
04-21-2023, 01:04 PM
Since Portugal has the highest amount in general, it don't find it weird Galicia would have high NA for Spain. One pattern i ve noticed through the years with admixture is it tends to spread to the end of the road from the direction of the entry point, and often even piles up more strongly there than closer to its source, basically it gathers where a genetic barrier pops up (sea in this case). Im not sure the exact reason but i ve noticed it many times and find it a bit interesting it shows such "behavior". For sure admixture doesn't stop to spread once the ancestors of said admixture were killed or expelled, if the offsprings are still roaming around.


The figures in the op are actually higher than what academic studies find, even if he probably doesn't realize it. Obviously NAs today are not only made of Taforalt, as Helloguys pointed out they are on average only 1/3 Taforalt, the math is simple and that's what we usually see in mixed mode oracles of Portugueses for example.

Also, if i remeber well there were some IA samples from Portugal who were mixed with North Africans, could be that some also went NW to Galicia?

Petalpusher
04-21-2023, 01:09 PM
Also, if i remeber well there were some IA samples from Portugal who were mixed with North Africans, could be that some also went NW to Galicia?

It's possible, even if admixture doesn't pile up but replaces itself with the average of the two components. Im not familiar with historical records of movement between Portugal and Galicia but im assuming it wasn't that tight.

Beowulf
04-21-2023, 01:14 PM
It's possible, even if admixture doesn't pile up but replaces itself with the average of the two components. Im not familiar with historical records of movement between Portugal and Galicia but im assuming it wasn't that tight.

The area of NW Iberia in IA was Gallaecia that was actual Galicia some parts of Castille, western Asturias and Northern Portugal even they traded with Phoenicians so yeah why not i Imagine there were movement with people from South to North or North to south very probably for comercial purposes so in this case the NA could probably comerciants or settlers that moved to Iberia, but is only a Hypothesis.

Eurafricanid
04-21-2023, 01:58 PM
Smeagol isn't a troll.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about NA admixture. Maybe it's because I find Moorish history and NA history interesting.

What I don't understand is how it is that Galicia has one of the highest NA admixture in Spain, considering only the southern part of Galicia was under Berber rule for a couple of decades.

If you paid attention to the OP, not only Galicia and Portugal have the highest NA, but also Extremadura, Castilia and Leon, Asturias(with the same amount as Galicia) and Andalusia, Murcia and then a drop for the next one.

Eurafricanid
04-21-2023, 02:01 PM
Full North Africans/Berbers score in average around 33% of Taforalt, so calculate the percentage.

Full NAs and Berbers score around 33% Taforalt, but the rest isn't all euro, for you to be able to calculate with Iberians.

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR
Distance: 2.1859% / 0.02185926
35.8 MAR_Taforalt
34.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.8 Yoruba
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 Dinka
1.0 WHG
0.8 Levant_PPNB


Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche
Distance: 1.8742% / 0.01874228
34.8 MAR_Taforalt
27.8 TUR_Barcin_N
15.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
7.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Levant_PPNB
4.4 Yoruba
2.2 WHG
2.0 Dinka

Jingle Bell
04-21-2023, 03:05 PM
Smeagol isn't a troll.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about NA admixture. Maybe it's because I find Moorish history and NA history interesting.

What I don't understand is how it is that Galicia has one of the highest NA admixture in Spain, considering only the southern part of Galicia was under Berber rule for a couple of decades.

Punics
Berbers Slaves and Mercenaries from Roman Era
South-North movements during Reconquista
Taforalt contact with CA & Bronze Age Iberia
And finally, Moors.

Eurafricanid
04-21-2023, 03:58 PM
We always get in G25 Taforalt, but I didn't get any snp with Taforalt with any Taforalt sample in Gedmatch, so?

I have all the screenshots because in Gedmatch the samples are there today and gone tomorrow.

We do not feel any sentiment with North Africa, proximity or coincidence and in fact if some Moors remained after the Reconquest is because they accepted the new Christian order and all the cultural assimilation that being Spanish is Western and European.

So for modern Spaniards and Na there is an unbridgeable gap at all levels.

And if any foreigner pretends otherwise it will have the opposite effect in a greater rejection if possible. So be careful because it is a subject that takes us out of our minds. at least for any self-respecting Spaniard.
Interesting that you don't match Taforalt at all, now, can you test this calculator here (Dodecad K12b), from Gedmatch, in Vahaduo to see if you match Taforalt or not?


Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34, 20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0 .00
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00 ,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0. 00,5.90
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.1 1,57.42,0.42,0.00,0.00,11.78,0.00,26.51,0.00
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),42. 18,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.35,0.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,50 .61,2.03
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0 .00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43),0.01,0.37,0.02,0.35,2 4.46,72.81,0.08,0.02,0.09,0.07,0.03,1.71
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31),0.25,2. 72,0.00,0.22,15.89,79.14,0.50,0.12,0.00,0.02,0.00, 1.13
Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7),0.92,4.54,0.00,0.62,9.05, 81.79,1.31,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.21
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2),11.27,8.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,77.53,2.39,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.64
Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4),7.23,7.78,0.00,1 .37,1.40,81.04,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09
Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2),7.07,7.71,0.00,0.77,0.0 0,83.02,1.00,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.31
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15),0.48,0.09,9.68,0.1 0,23.86,1.59,0.00,1.98,30.73,0.94,30.53,0.00
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6),64.18,1.82,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.81,5.83,1.02,3.55,0.68,15.97,6.15
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14),0.00,0.07,3.47,0 .29,46.01,2.80,0.20,0.34,10.91,0.17,34.74,1.00
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20),0.03,0.14,3.39,0.4 4,37.92,0.15,0.00,0.61,15.91,0.18,40.32,0.92
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3),0.00,0.00,3.61,0.49,4 3.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.96,0.00,37.99,0.76
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.09,2 .99,0.01,49.42,7.60,0.00,0.06,11.36,0.04,28.32,0.1 1
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20),0.00,0.00, 3.05,0.05,54.21,4.88,0.22,0.09,12.37,0.12,24.83,0. 18
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43),0.00,0.02,3.21,0.09,51.90,0. 72,0.00,0.12,14.11,0.07,29.64,0.13
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4),0.00,0.06,2.12,0.00,5 7.21,0.69,0.00,0.00,12.87,0.00,27.06,0.00
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10),0.00,0.32,4.62,0.13,6 9.67,0.81,0.01,0.05,9.59,0.15,14.08,0.58
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.01,5 4.90,1.68,0.00,0.05,11.33,0.05,28.23,0.01
Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1),0.00,0.00,19.30,0.00 ,48.09,0.17,0.00,1.77,20.93,0.00,9.74,0.00
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4),0,0.00,2.89,0.11,51.14,18 .29,1.31,0.34,7.10,0.00,19.58,0.00
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12),0.11,3.03,0.00,0.75,11.68 ,81.52,1.26,0.00,0.00,0.32,0.00,1.34
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4),0.00,0.40,0.00,0.40,13.65,7 5.89,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.33
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4),0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,21.15,78.32,0.06,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,0.4 3
MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.05,2.99,0.06,51.34,0 .98,0.14,0.14,18.20,0.00,25.77,0.31
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.06,3.98,0.00,51.67 ,3.60,0.00,0.02,11.19,0.00,29.36,0.11
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11),0.00,0.01,2.26,0.19,53.02,3.1 5,0.02,0.00,13.69,0.30,27.18,0.19
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.76,0.00 ,55.03,3.82,0.00,0.07,11.77,0.00,25.52,0.03
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.00,4.37,1. 35,67.53,2.79,0.00,0.13,7.55,0.12,16.03,0.12
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19),0.00,0.06,4.04,0.24 ,62.41,9.46,0.05,0.13,8.41,0.04,15.02,0.15
Neolithic_Britain_(n=62),0.00,0.07,4.07,0.28,65.93 ,13.23,0.08,0.07,7.13,0.20,8.68,0.25
Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12),0.00,0.11,3.94, 0.29,67.66,9.90,0.28,0.03,7.06,0.29,10.09,0.35
Middle-Late_Neolithic_Portugal_(n=4),0.00,0.46,4.19,0.53, 68.23,11.53,0.02,0.46,6.58,0.40,6.92,0.70
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58),0.52,0.13,4.08,0 .19,63.95,11.13,0.03,0.02,7.00,0.19,12.71,0.06
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24),0.00,0.02,3.77,0.25,62.37 ,13.97,0.05,0.43,7.32,0.37,10.86,0.59
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6),0.00,0.0 0,1.29,0.65,53.72,42.20,0.00,0.27,0.68,0.32,0.00,0 .86
Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3),26.10,5.95,0.00,0.15,0.00, 66.48,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.37,0.40
Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3),36.31,2.64,0.00,0 .00,0.00,48.76,2.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.54,1.18
Botai_culture_(n=3),20.42,27.26,0.00,2.16,0.00,43. 87,4.87,0.00,0.00,1.31,0.00,0.11
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5),24.19,1.31,0.00,0.03,9 .45,62.36,0.32,0.07,0.00,0.04,1.93,0.28
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3),23.32,0.00,0 .74,0.31,0.96,11.65,0.26,0.00,3.70,0.70,56.91,1.44
Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4),17.37,0.00,2.29,0.71 ,12.06,0.70,0.74,0.62,16.84,0.41,47.98,0.27
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35),8.77,0.05,1.54,0.16,1 7.49,0.97,0.36,0.13,17.88,0.12,52.11,0.41
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6),0.00,0.00,3.09,0.1 2,26.99,0.00,0.11,0.00,22.78,0.26,46.53,0.13
Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.00,5.47,0.28,18.98,0.00 ,0.01,1.07,36.61,0.12,37.31,0.15
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9),0.00,0.00,3.62,0.03,48 .06,5.72,0.00,0.00,13.72,0.00,28.84,0.01
Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,43. 99,53.43,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.25
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69. 04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5),0.00,0.00,4.37,0.19,60.14 ,2.99,0.00,0.00,8.70,0.00,23.19,0.42
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.14,2.10,0.00 ,62.55,19.90,0.00,0.00,6.42,0.01,8.72,0.16
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9),0.00,0.06,2.59,0 .00,54.30,4.98,0.01,0.21,11.41,0.09,26.19,0.16
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14),0.00,0.01,3 .30,0.10,54.14,7.69,0.00,0.02,11.04,0.13,23.26,0.3 2
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.05,7.10,0.2 0,62.40,4.58,0.00,1.41,8.67,0.08,14.69,0.83
Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60),0.67,0.18,3.55,0.44,66.8 3,14.83,0.42,0.30,5.23,0.18,6.91,0.46
Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11),0.00,0.67,4.28,0.45,6 5.01,11.91,0.76,1.21,5.55,0.48,8.81,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11),0.41,0.03,2.98,0.14,68.8 3,13.98,0.95,0.15,3.37,0.53,8.33,0.31
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13),8.61,0.65,1.22,0.24,38.28, 39.03,0.77,0.52,3.24,0.08,7.02,0.33
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20),8.93,1.10,0.71,0.27,35.12,40.72,0.79 ,0.30,1.46,0.17,9.66,0.78
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15),8.03,0.49,0.54,0.03,34. 19,45.22,0.45,0.10,1.12,0.12,9.28,0.43
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6),9.44,0.72,1.14,0.40,36.3 0,32.38,0.21,0.19,4.16,0.00,14.09,0.98
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6),9.04,1.19,0.23,0.14,38.46 ,36.83,0.21,0.16,1.73,0.00,11.13,0.89
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7),13.47,0.91,0.00,0.04 ,30.87,49.92,1.00,0.17,0.02,0.01,2.72,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27),12.57,0.74,0.15,0.13,34 .10,47.22,0.84,0.37,0.31,0.18,2.76,0.65
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8),23.11,0.73,1.17,0.01,5.83,6.9 2,0.09,0.33,9.87,0.00,51.11,0.83
Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3),3.70,1.96,1.80,2.59, 16.66,0.07,0.03,2.56,34.26,0.00,36.36,0.00
EMBA_Greece_(n=6),2.31,0.28,2.82,0.14,34.82,9.08,0 .02,0.08,10.81,0.49,37.34,1.82
Minoan_Greece_(n=10),1.24,0.05,2.80,0.09,40.35,0.0 7,0.00,0.00,13.79,0.29,41.27,0.04
Maykop_culture_(n=16),27.32,3.15,0.44,0.11,3.81,20 .03,2.14,0.10,5.14,0.02,36.78,0.95
Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57. 21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14),16.45,1.20,0.00,0.00,17 .75,59.38,1.23,0.38,0.00,0.00,2.67,0.94
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17),14.35,0.78,0.06,0.06,22 .27,55.22,0.50,0.04,0.15,0.35,5.47,0.75
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3),12.01,0.59,0.00,0.00,29.41,52.60 ,1.01,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.25,1.03

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Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34, 20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0 .00
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00 ,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0. 00,5.90
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.1 1,57.42,0.42,0.00,0.00,11.78,0.00,26.51,0.00
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),42. 18,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.35,0.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,50 .61,2.03
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0 .00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43),0.01,0.37,0.02,0.35,2 4.46,72.81,0.08,0.02,0.09,0.07,0.03,1.71
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31),0.25,2. 72,0.00,0.22,15.89,79.14,0.50,0.12,0.00,0.02,0.00, 1.13
Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7),0.92,4.54,0.00,0.62,9.05, 81.79,1.31,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.21
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2),11.27,8.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,77.53,2.39,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.64
Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4),7.23,7.78,0.00,1 .37,1.40,81.04,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09
Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2),7.07,7.71,0.00,0.77,0.0 0,83.02,1.00,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.31
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15),0.48,0.09,9.68,0.1 0,23.86,1.59,0.00,1.98,30.73,0.94,30.53,0.00
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6),64.18,1.82,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.81,5.83,1.02,3.55,0.68,15.97,6.15
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14),0.00,0.07,3.47,0 .29,46.01,2.80,0.20,0.34,10.91,0.17,34.74,1.00
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20),0.03,0.14,3.39,0.4 4,37.92,0.15,0.00,0.61,15.91,0.18,40.32,0.92
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3),0.00,0.00,3.61,0.49,4 3.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.96,0.00,37.99,0.76
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.09,2 .99,0.01,49.42,7.60,0.00,0.06,11.36,0.04,28.32,0.1 1
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20),0.00,0.00, 3.05,0.05,54.21,4.88,0.22,0.09,12.37,0.12,24.83,0. 18
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43),0.00,0.02,3.21,0.09,51.90,0. 72,0.00,0.12,14.11,0.07,29.64,0.13
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4),0.00,0.06,2.12,0.00,5 7.21,0.69,0.00,0.00,12.87,0.00,27.06,0.00
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10),0.00,0.32,4.62,0.13,6 9.67,0.81,0.01,0.05,9.59,0.15,14.08,0.58
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.01,5 4.90,1.68,0.00,0.05,11.33,0.05,28.23,0.01
Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1),0.00,0.00,19.30,0.00 ,48.09,0.17,0.00,1.77,20.93,0.00,9.74,0.00
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4),0,0.00,2.89,0.11,51.14,18 .29,1.31,0.34,7.10,0.00,19.58,0.00
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12),0.11,3.03,0.00,0.75,11.68 ,81.52,1.26,0.00,0.00,0.32,0.00,1.34
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4),0.00,0.40,0.00,0.40,13.65,7 5.89,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.33
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4),0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,21.15,78.32,0.06,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,0.4 3
MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.05,2.99,0.06,51.34,0 .98,0.14,0.14,18.20,0.00,25.77,0.31
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.06,3.98,0.00,51.67 ,3.60,0.00,0.02,11.19,0.00,29.36,0.11
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11),0.00,0.01,2.26,0.19,53.02,3.1 5,0.02,0.00,13.69,0.30,27.18,0.19
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.76,0.00 ,55.03,3.82,0.00,0.07,11.77,0.00,25.52,0.03
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.00,4.37,1. 35,67.53,2.79,0.00,0.13,7.55,0.12,16.03,0.12
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19),0.00,0.06,4.04,0.24 ,62.41,9.46,0.05,0.13,8.41,0.04,15.02,0.15
Neolithic_Britain_(n=62),0.00,0.07,4.07,0.28,65.93 ,13.23,0.08,0.07,7.13,0.20,8.68,0.25
Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12),0.00,0.11,3.94, 0.29,67.66,9.90,0.28,0.03,7.06,0.29,10.09,0.35
Middle-Late_Neolithic_Portugal_(n=4),0.00,0.46,4.19,0.53, 68.23,11.53,0.02,0.46,6.58,0.40,6.92,0.70
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58),0.52,0.13,4.08,0 .19,63.95,11.13,0.03,0.02,7.00,0.19,12.71,0.06
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24),0.00,0.02,3.77,0.25,62.37 ,13.97,0.05,0.43,7.32,0.37,10.86,0.59
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6),0.00,0.0 0,1.29,0.65,53.72,42.20,0.00,0.27,0.68,0.32,0.00,0 .86
Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3),26.10,5.95,0.00,0.15,0.00, 66.48,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.37,0.40
Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3),36.31,2.64,0.00,0 .00,0.00,48.76,2.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.54,1.18
Botai_culture_(n=3),20.42,27.26,0.00,2.16,0.00,43. 87,4.87,0.00,0.00,1.31,0.00,0.11
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5),24.19,1.31,0.00,0.03,9 .45,62.36,0.32,0.07,0.00,0.04,1.93,0.28
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3),23.32,0.00,0 .74,0.31,0.96,11.65,0.26,0.00,3.70,0.70,56.91,1.44
Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4),17.37,0.00,2.29,0.71 ,12.06,0.70,0.74,0.62,16.84,0.41,47.98,0.27
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35),8.77,0.05,1.54,0.16,1 7.49,0.97,0.36,0.13,17.88,0.12,52.11,0.41
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6),0.00,0.00,3.09,0.1 2,26.99,0.00,0.11,0.00,22.78,0.26,46.53,0.13
Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.00,5.47,0.28,18.98,0.00 ,0.01,1.07,36.61,0.12,37.31,0.15
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9),0.00,0.00,3.62,0.03,48 .06,5.72,0.00,0.00,13.72,0.00,28.84,0.01
Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,43. 99,53.43,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.25
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69. 04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5),0.00,0.00,4.37,0.19,60.14 ,2.99,0.00,0.00,8.70,0.00,23.19,0.42
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.14,2.10,0.00 ,62.55,19.90,0.00,0.00,6.42,0.01,8.72,0.16
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9),0.00,0.06,2.59,0 .00,54.30,4.98,0.01,0.21,11.41,0.09,26.19,0.16
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14),0.00,0.01,3 .30,0.10,54.14,7.69,0.00,0.02,11.04,0.13,23.26,0.3 2
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.05,7.10,0.2 0,62.40,4.58,0.00,1.41,8.67,0.08,14.69,0.83
Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60),0.67,0.18,3.55,0.44,66.8 3,14.83,0.42,0.30,5.23,0.18,6.91,0.46
Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11),0.00,0.67,4.28,0.45,6 5.01,11.91,0.76,1.21,5.55,0.48,8.81,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11),0.41,0.03,2.98,0.14,68.8 3,13.98,0.95,0.15,3.37,0.53,8.33,0.31
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13),8.61,0.65,1.22,0.24,38.28, 39.03,0.77,0.52,3.24,0.08,7.02,0.33
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20),8.93,1.10,0.71,0.27,35.12,40.72,0.79 ,0.30,1.46,0.17,9.66,0.78
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15),8.03,0.49,0.54,0.03,34. 19,45.22,0.45,0.10,1.12,0.12,9.28,0.43
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6),9.44,0.72,1.14,0.40,36.3 0,32.38,0.21,0.19,4.16,0.00,14.09,0.98
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6),9.04,1.19,0.23,0.14,38.46 ,36.83,0.21,0.16,1.73,0.00,11.13,0.89
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7),13.47,0.91,0.00,0.04 ,30.87,49.92,1.00,0.17,0.02,0.01,2.72,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27),12.57,0.74,0.15,0.13,34 .10,47.22,0.84,0.37,0.31,0.18,2.76,0.65
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8),23.11,0.73,1.17,0.01,5.83,6.9 2,0.09,0.33,9.87,0.00,51.11,0.83
Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3),3.70,1.96,1.80,2.59, 16.66,0.07,0.03,2.56,34.26,0.00,36.36,0.00
EMBA_Greece_(n=6),2.31,0.28,2.82,0.14,34.82,9.08,0 .02,0.08,10.81,0.49,37.34,1.82
Minoan_Greece_(n=10),1.24,0.05,2.80,0.09,40.35,0.0 7,0.00,0.00,13.79,0.29,41.27,0.04
Maykop_culture_(n=16),27.32,3.15,0.44,0.11,3.81,20 .03,2.14,0.10,5.14,0.02,36.78,0.95
Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57. 21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14),16.45,1.20,0.00,0.00,17 .75,59.38,1.23,0.38,0.00,0.00,2.67,0.94
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17),14.35,0.78,0.06,0.06,22 .27,55.22,0.50,0.04,0.15,0.35,5.47,0.75
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3),12.01,0.59,0.00,0.00,29.41,52.60 ,1.01,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.25,1.03

i want to try it too:


Target: ivorix
Distance: 101.6581% / 1.01658088
26.0 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
19.2 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
12.8 Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
8.6 Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1)
6.2 Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4)
5.6 Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)
4.6 Yamna_culture_(n=16)
4.4 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
4.2 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
3.4 Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)
2.6 Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)
2.0 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
0.4 CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)