Classify asian passing mexicans

[Khinerai]

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[Laredo]

Indomestizas they must be around 30% European or less which isn't average. So technically they are minority.

[Khinerai]

Indomestizas they must be around 30% European or less which isn't average. So technically they are minority.
So they look chinese and korean because of native american??

[Incal]

Since the most accepted theory is that we came from Asia there's nothing surprising about it.

[Laredo]

So they look chinese and korean because of native american??

I will say around 5-15% of mexicans can pass as Filipinos or Austronesians and yes due to the pred Amerindian component.

But Mexican amerindians don't really look asian it's funny having little white blood can cause these pseudo looks.

The last girl on the right looks around 50% European. She cannot pass as Asian.

[Laredo]

Since the most accepted theory is that we came from Asia there's nothing surprising about it.

Amerindians are already a mixed population, 70-75% mongoloids and 25-30% west euroasian.

[Daco Celtic]

I had a Mexican girlfriend like this way back in the day. She was 100% northern Mexican but everyone thought she was hapa.

[Laredo]

I had a Mexican girlfriend like this way back in the day. She was 100% northern Mexican but everyone thought she was hapa.

I know you said you been to Mexico once what part of Mexico you find the most attractive women to you?

Interested as well to know your opinion.

[Incal]

Amerindians are already a mixed population, 70-75% mongoloids and 25-30% west euroasian.

Exactly.

[Khinerai]

Amerindians are already a mixed population, 70-75% mongoloids and 25-30% west euroasian.

So is it common to find japanese,korean,and Chinese looking people in southern mexico?

[Laredo]

So is it common to find japanese,korean,and Chinese looking people in southern mexico?

Tijuana Mexico has already a big asian community. If you mean authentic mexicans looking asians yes it's the regions where amerindian blood predominants but they tend to look more Filipino than Korean or Chinese.

[Daco Celtic]

I know you said you been to Mexico once what part of Mexico you find the most attractive women to you?

Interested as well to know your opinion.

I would say northern Mexico plus Jalisco.

[Laredo]

I would say northern Mexico plus Jalisco.


You should visit Sinaloa or North East mexico Nuevo Leon or Aguascalientes better women than Jalisco.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0-frvFRIDdejBhT1zGTDISdJswTnmW4kk6w&usqp=CAU

[Khinerai]

Tijuana Mexico has already a big asian community. If you mean authentic mexicans looking asians yes it's the regions where amerindian blood predominants but they tend to look more Filipino than Korean or Chinese.

Filipinos genetically are the furthest from Mexicans. The only mexicans who may look filipino are those descended from filipino sailors who jumped ship in Oxaca Mexico during the manila galleon trade

These mexicans are small eyed like Chinese and Korean, they ate better passing off in Seoul or Tokyo then in Manila

[Zanzibar]

I will say around 5-15% of mexicans can pass as Filipinos or Austronesians and yes due to the pred Amerindian component.

But Mexican amerindians don't really look asian it's funny having little white blood can cause these pseudo looks.

The last girl on the right looks around 50% European. She cannot pass as Asian.

15% sounds too high in my opinion. That would be several millions. 5% sounds more probable imo.

Agreed. Mexican Indians don't really look Asian to me either, not even as Flip/Austronesian. But a lot of Americans including many Latinos (ironcially) who are not aware/never seen the phenotype of Amerindians and their variation/diversity, seem to lump them immediately with Pinoys due to ignorance.

They seem to focus only the shared superficial traits, such as black straight hair, brown skin, almond round eyes, short height (even though a lot of Mexican Indians can be a lot taller than Pinoys as well) while completely ignoring/overlooking any other differences out of a laziness. It's like saying all Asians or Africans look the same.

Really? Having a bit of Euro can cause these pseudo Asian looks?

[Khinerai]

15% sounds too high in my opinion. That would be several millions. 5% sounds more probable imo.

Agreed. Mexican Indians don't really look Asian to me either, not even as Flip/Austronesian. But a lot of Americans including many Latinos (ironcially) who are not aware/never seen the phenotype of Amerindians and their variation/diversity, seem to lump them immediately with Pinoys due to ignorance.

They seem to focus only the shared superficial traits, such as black straight hair, brown skin, almond round eyes, short height (even though a lot of Mexican Indians can be a lot taller than Pinoys as well) while completely ignoring/overlooking any other differences out of a laziness. It's like saying all Asians or Africans look the same.

Really? Having a bit of Euro can cause these pseudo Asian looks?

Which is quite dumb, because filipino phenotypes range from Malay to almost chinese looking(yes there are pure filipinos who could pass for chinese), never seen an amerindian looking filipino

[Incal]

15% sounds too high in my opinion. That would be several millions. 5% sounds more probable imo.

Agreed. Mexican Indians don't really look Asian to me either, not even as Flip/Austronesian. But a lot of Americans including many Latinos (ironcially) who are not aware/never seen the phenotype of Amerindians and their variation/diversity, seem to lump them immediately with Pinoys due to ignorance.

They seem to focus only the shared superficial traits, such as black straight hair, brown skin, almond round eyes, short height (even though a lot of Mexican Indians can be a lot taller than Pinoys as well) while completely ignoring/overlooking any other differences out of a laziness. It's like saying all Asians or Africans look the same.

Really? Having a bit of Euro can cause these pseudo Asian looks?

It's the browness.

[Laredo]

15% sounds too high in my opinion. That would be several millions. 5% sounds more probable imo.

Agreed. Mexican Indians don't really look Asian to me either, not even as Flip/Austronesian. But a lot of Americans including many Latinos (ironcially) who are not aware/never seen the phenotype of Amerindians and their variation/diversity, seem to lump them immediately with Pinoys due to ignorance.

They seem to focus only the shared superficial traits, such as black straight hair, brown skin, almond round eyes, short height (even though a lot of Mexican Indians can be a lot taller than Pinoys as well) while completely ignoring/overlooking any other differences out of a laziness. It's like saying all Asians or Africans look the same.

Really? Having a bit of Euro can cause these pseudo Asian looks?

Yeah 5% sounds more accurate.

[Khinerai]

It's the browness.

The only mexicans who could pass in the Philippines are the castizos, they might blend in with the mestizos in the Philippines

Full amerindians cannot pass

[Incal]

The only mexicans who could pass in the Philippines are the castizos, they might blend in with the mestizos in the Philippines

Full amerindians cannot pass

lol what are you saying, most Flips are brown.

[Laredo]

Which is quite dumb, because filipino phenotypes range from Malay to almost chinese looking(yes there are pure filipinos who could pass for chinese), never seen an amerindian looking filipino

Manny Pacquiao can pass as very pred amerindian Mexican from Estado de Mexico or Itztapalapa or some where there with Itsmid-centralid phenotype.

[Zanzibar]

Which is quite dumb, because filipino phenotypes range from Malay to almost chinese looking(yes there are pure filipinos who could pass for chinese), never seen an amerindian looking filipino

Agreed. A lot of Filos pass easily as Chinese or Viet in my experience seeing them in real life.

It's mainly the Cordillerans/Igorots and other Northern Flips such as Batanes, Gaddang, Ilocano who can pass as Chinese or Viet from photos I saw?

[Zanzibar]

Yeah 5% sounds more accurate.

Maybe even less than that and closer to 1-3% as Mexican Indians in general don't look like Flips due to the much sharper Caucasoid-ish "progressive" traits and more stocky/muscular body type compared to the latter from heavy ANE influence.

The ones who look Flip seems to be restricted to Istmid type of Southern Mexico/Central America.

[Zanzibar]

It's the browness.

So the brownness makes dumb ignorant Merikans (including many USA Hispanics ironically) stupidly think Flips and Mexicans are "the same race"? The confusion probably stems from Hispanic sounding names and Christianity as well.

[Khinerai]

So the brownness makes dumb ignorant Merikans (including many USA Hispanics ironically) stupidly think Flips and Mexicans are "the same race"? The confusion probably stems from Hispanic sounding names and Christianity as well.
They only see skin color, they don't see facial features

[HannibaltheGreat]

I will say around 5-15% of mexicans can pass as Filipinos or Austronesians and yes due to the pred Amerindian component.

But Mexican amerindians don't really look asian it's funny having little white blood can cause these pseudo looks.

The last girl on the right looks around 50% European. She cannot pass as Asian.Some mexican amerindians can definitely pass as asian. They are just darker skinned on average than asians. Especially females. They look closer to altaic peoples than East asians like chinese most of the time for obvious reasons.

Some look like a cross between melanesian austronesian and more siberian type natives.

Mexican native or indo mestiza girls especially when young look more asian like.

[Laredo]

Maybe even less than that and closer to 1-3% as Mexican Indians in general don't look like Flips due to the much sharper Caucasoid-ish "progressive" traits and more stocky/muscular body type compared to the latter from heavy ANE influence.

The ones who look Flip seems to be restricted to Istmid type of Southern Mexico/Central America.

As whole where did you places us? Mexico has two the extremes the north the pred European and the south the pred Amerindian which the makes us almost 50/50 a mestizo country.

Tajik maybe?

[Incal]

So the brownness makes dumb ignorant Merikans (including many USA Hispanics ironically) stupidly think Flips and Mexicans are "the same race"? The confusion probably stems from Hispanic sounding names and Christianity as well.

Yup. To yanks skin color >>>> the rest.

[Zanzibar]

They only see skin color, they don't see facial features

Yes. Not only that, they also focused mainly on the black straight hair, almond eyes and even wider face as well. It's like them thinking all Asians or Africans look the same.

I have a feeling they don't even see facial features but blatantly ignore it out of laziness and stupidity.

[Zanzibar]

As whole where did you places us? Mexico has two the extremes the north the pred European and the south the pred Amerindian which the makes us almost 50/50 a mestizo country.

Tajik maybe?

It's a bit difficult. The majority of you seem to have very unique New World phenotypes, that's very difficult to pass anywhere outside of the Americas.

Meanwhile the ones with less New World impressions and lighter skin , maybe can pass easier in parts of Central Asia such as Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Southern Xinjiang, Turkmenistan and even among some Turkic groups in Afghanistan.

[HannibaltheGreat]

Few examples

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Huichol_indian.jpg/142px-Huichol_indian.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/33/ee/18/33ee1815b582081480f6ddf4729702ff--feather-headdress-feathers.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/33/2e/dd332e6f15ca786c91a1ff9f7890b7e9.jpg

She is not even predominantly native yet its still very strong
https://i.redd.it/sdk1a1dvfj541.jpg


This one actually looks like a chinese person i know but the chinese is lighter.

https://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Olmec/Modern_9999994.jpg

A chubby asian but darker
https://st3.depositphotos.com/1017187/16628/i/600/depositphotos_166283746-stock-photo-otavalo-ecuador-may-17-2017.jpg

[Laredo]

It's a bit difficult. The majority of you seem to have very unique New World phenotypes, that's very difficult to pass anywhere outside of the Americas.

Meanwhile the ones with less New World impressions and lighter skin , maybe can pass easier in parts of Central Asia such as Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Southern Xinjiang, Turkmenistan and even among some Turkic groups in Afghanistan.

I guess on average we look like this, mind classifying any can pass Filipino by any chance xD
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?372611-Estos-mexicanos-del-Centro-estado-de-Mexico-amp-Toluca-Hidalgo-etc-puden-pasar

[Laredo]

Few examples
This one actually looks like a chinese person i know but the chinese is lighter.

https://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Olmec/Modern_9999994.jpg

A chubby asian but darker
https://st3.depositphotos.com/1017187/16628/i/600/depositphotos_166283746-stock-photo-otavalo-ecuador-may-17-2017.jpg

Those two last women look like dark Cambodians Thai etc

[Zanzibar]

I guess on average we look like this, mind classifying any can pass Filipino by any chance xD
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?372611-Estos-mexicanos-del-Centro-estado-de-Mexico-amp-Toluca-Hidalgo-etc-puden-pasar

None of them can pass as Flip.

If this is what on average you look like, you might pass more outside of the Americas than I thought. First one looks like a swarthy Southern Euro. Second one looks racially ambiguous.

A lot of you with very negligible to none American Indian traits, with lighter skin, more aquiline nose and can grow lots of facial and body hair might pass in Southern Europe/Balkans, parts of Caucasus and maybe MENA as well.

[Laredo]

None of them can pass as Flip.

If this is what on average you look like, you might pass more outside of the Americas than I thought. First one looks like a swarthy Southern Euro. Second one looks racially ambiguous.

A lot of you with very negligible to none American Indian traits, with lighter skin, more aquiline nose and more facial/body hair might pass in Southern Europe, parts of Caucasus and maybe MENA as well.

I think the first one might be around 65% euro and last one close to 75% the rest look 50% European . But yes as whole more or less we look like that.

[Zanzibar]

Those two last women look like dark Cambodians Thai etc

First one is Tarahumara while second is some Southern tribe (Oaxacan or Mayan)?

First one nose is too sharp but can sort of pass. Second one's face seems more robust and more stocky than the average Cambo, Thai but should still be able to pass.

I thought Tarahumaras in general look much less Asiatic with very conspicuous ANE sharp Caucasoid progressive features?

[Laredo]

First one is Tarahumara while second is some Southern tribe (Oaxacan or Mayan)?

First one nose is too sharp but can sort of pass. Second one's face seems more robust and more stocky than the average Cambo, Thai but should still be able to pass.

I thought Tarahumaras in general look much less Asiatic with very conspicuous ANE sharp Caucasoid progressive features?

No the first one looks Oxacan native or Campeche like Mixtec Amerindian second one looks western Mexican native Cora or Huichol .

Tarahumaras are mainly mixed of Margid +pueblid .

[Zanzibar]

No the first one looks Oxacan native or Campeche like Mixtec Amerindian second one looks western Mexican native Cora or Huichol .

Tarahumaras are mainly mixed of Margid +pueblid .

I C. Google the first and can't find the origin. The second one is apparently from Otavalo in Ecuador from google search lol.

Cora and Huichol are also mixed of Margid+Pueblid similar to Tarahumara? A redditor of Purepecha origins who lives in the USA told me Huichol and Cora have much more Caucasoid sharper progressive features than Purepechas and other Southern Mexican Indians.

[Khinerai]

Few examples

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Huichol_indian.jpg/142px-Huichol_indian.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/33/ee/18/33ee1815b582081480f6ddf4729702ff--feather-headdress-feathers.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/33/2e/dd332e6f15ca786c91a1ff9f7890b7e9.jpg

She is not even predominantly native yet its still very strong
https://i.redd.it/sdk1a1dvfj541.jpg


This one actually looks like a chinese person i know but the chinese is lighter.

https://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Olmec/Modern_9999994.jpg

A chubby asian but darker
https://st3.depositphotos.com/1017187/16628/i/600/depositphotos_166283746-stock-photo-otavalo-ecuador-may-17-2017.jpg

The first woman does not look very sinid to me.

This filipina woman passes better for Chinese then her
https://i.ibb.co/fCR27XX/Screenshot-20230420-225931-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/dQ9ryff)

[HannibaltheGreat]

The first woman does not look very sinid to me.

This filipina woman passes better for Chinese then her
https://i.ibb.co/fCR27XX/Screenshot-20230420-225931-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/dQ9ryff)The first one doesnt. She looks more altaic and north asian.
Phillpinos have ancient chinese ancestry also.

[Khinerai]

Amerindians don't look sinid at all, if anything they look closer o eurasians from central asia

[HannibaltheGreat]

Amerindians don't look sinid at all, if anything they look closer o eurasians from central asiaSome do resemble chinese. The one I said that looks like someone I know does.

[HannibaltheGreat]

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-Mexicans-look-Chinese-and-Japanese-I-asked-some-of-them-if-they-had-any-East-Asia-blood-but-they-didnt-think-so

[Khinerai]

The first one doesnt. She looks more altaic and north asian.
Phillpinos have ancient chinese ancestry also.

You think amerindians look Korean or japanese??

[Laredo]

I C. Google the first and can't find the origin. The second one is apparently from Otavalo in Ecuador from google search lol.

Cora and Huichol are also mixed of Margid+Pueblid similar to Tarahumara? A redditor of Purepecha origins who lives in the USA told me Huichol and Cora have much more Caucasoid sharper progressive features than Purepechas and other Southern Mexican Indians.


Mexicans amerindians are diverse but I don't think they look asian they have their own look.

Taranamuras are the darkest amerindians they are mainly margid some seem to be mixed with Pueblid or Arizonid elements they are mainly tall but as most amerindians they are prone to Obesity.

Here are some examples.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3sp2O9OqxIz0r4u7yDlYyxthOv3h9y bkjCg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCFBpvksimQYdpV6we525WpIfYHxBIF MVrZw&usqp=CAU

Now Coras and Huichol are very similar just Coras from Nayarit and Huichol native to Jalisco they are more Asian looking

This one can pass as Filipino In my opinion maybe with Austronesian and Malayan Influences

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrXMRApMfeFMUMlP3zahbd959SRdig6 sRSZg&usqp=CAU

Cora from Nayarit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Huichol_indian.jpg

Mayan

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg/1200px-Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg

All southern -central Mexican Amerindian are Itsmid or centralid

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWeGFvkEg-Vqn2lfUPqAVUWns7tIQW5aPt0Q&usqp=CAU


To make it simple.

Margids are mainly from north west Mexico to central west, Centralids are from central Mexico and Itsmid are mainly southern Mexico to central America .

[Laredo]

And Pacific amerindians type are mostly native to the Bajas California and southern California (U.S)

[HannibaltheGreat]

You think amerindians look Korean or japanese??
https://youtu.be/anjvX4FUTUk

[Zanzibar]

Mexicans amerindians are diverse but I don't think they look asian they have their own look.

Taranamuras are the darkest amerindians they are mainly margid some seem to be mixed with Pueblid or Arizonid elements they are mainly tall but as most amerindians they are prone to Obesity.

Here are some examples.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3sp2O9OqxIz0r4u7yDlYyxthOv3h9y bkjCg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCFBpvksimQYdpV6we525WpIfYHxBIF MVrZw&usqp=CAU

Now Coras and Huichol are very similar just Coras from Nayarit and Huichol native to Jalisco they are more Asian looking

This one can pass as Filipino In my opinion maybe with Austronesian and Malayan Influences

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrXMRApMfeFMUMlP3zahbd959SRdig6 sRSZg&usqp=CAU

Cora from Nayarit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Huichol_indian.jpg

Mayan

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg/1200px-Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg

All southern -central Mexican Amerindian are Itsmid or centralid

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWeGFvkEg-Vqn2lfUPqAVUWns7tIQW5aPt0Q&usqp=CAU


To make it simple.

Margids are mainly from north west Mexico to central west, Centralids are from central Mexico and Itsmid are mainly southern Mexico to central America .

Agreed that they don't look Asian but have their own distinct unique phenotypes.

Yaqui, Mayo, Pima, Tepehuano are also mainly Margid? Them being very dark and tall (even if prone to obesity) would make them totally stand out/won't blend in among Pinoys/other Asians. They also seem more muscular than Flips and most other Asians in general. Heard from that Purepechan redditor that Margids are the least Asiatic looking in Mexico with one of the most Caucasoid ANE traits.

Do Seri have some Centralid admixture? They look more Asiatic than other tribes in Northwest Mexico.

You referring to the old man who might pass as Flip with those influences? The Cora woman (in Wiki it says she is Huichol) holding the infant looks less Asiatic with clear ANE traits, interestingly enough. Also I heard from that Purepechan user that the Huichol, Cora can look more Asiatic than Tarahumara and other Northern tribes due to the former might being part of Chichimeca confederation and thus acquiring Centralid or Istmid admixture.

Centralids in this case refer to Pueblid?

That user told me the Istmids of the South are the most Asiatic looking in Mexico (Purepechans, Tarahumaras look more Caucasoid than them) and I deduce from his statements and pictures that its only them that can have a degree of passing with Flips/Asians. And that Cora, Huichol still look overall more ANE/Caucasoid influenced aka progressive than possibly Otomi, Nahua and tribes further south according to him.

Thanks for the simplification.

[Khinerai]

https://youtu.be/anjvX4FUTUk
We can play this game
Which one is Mexican Native and which one is Filipina
https://i.ibb.co/CmpwXch/mabel-cadena-entrevista-glamour.jpg (https://ibb.co/vVCcrFZ)
https://i.ibb.co/7jXxJdR/Screenshot-20211205-223126-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/MZsyDxG)

[Khinerai]

Mexicans amerindians are diverse but I don't think they look asian they have their own look.

Taranamuras are the darkest amerindians they are mainly margid some seem to be mixed with Pueblid or Arizonid elements they are mainly tall but as most amerindians they are prone to Obesity.

Here are some examples.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3sp2O9OqxIz0r4u7yDlYyxthOv3h9y bkjCg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCFBpvksimQYdpV6we525WpIfYHxBIF MVrZw&usqp=CAU

Now Coras and Huichol are very similar just Coras from Nayarit and Huichol native to Jalisco they are more Asian looking

This one can pass as Filipino In my opinion maybe with Austronesian and Malayan Influences

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrXMRApMfeFMUMlP3zahbd959SRdig6 sRSZg&usqp=CAU

Cora from Nayarit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Huichol_indian.jpg

Mayan

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg/1200px-Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg

All southern -central Mexican Amerindian are Itsmid or centralid

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWeGFvkEg-Vqn2lfUPqAVUWns7tIQW5aPt0Q&usqp=CAU


To make it simple.

Margids are mainly from north west Mexico to central west, Centralids are from central Mexico and Itsmid are mainly southern Mexico to central America .

The closest one to looking filipino is that old man. The rest look too foreign in the Philippines

[Zanzibar]

The closest one to looking filipino is that old man. The rest look too foreign in the Philippines

The old man with the moustache squinting his eyes?

[Khinerai]

The old man with the moustache squinting his eyes?

Yes I give him a pass, he could blend in.

[Tsuin]

Mexicans amerindians are diverse but I don't think they look asian they have their own look.

Taranamuras are the darkest amerindians they are mainly margid some seem to be mixed with Pueblid or Arizonid elements they are mainly tall but as most amerindians they are prone to Obesity.

Here are some examples.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3sp2O9OqxIz0r4u7yDlYyxthOv3h9y bkjCg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCFBpvksimQYdpV6we525WpIfYHxBIF MVrZw&usqp=CAU

Now Coras and Huichol are very similar just Coras from Nayarit and Huichol native to Jalisco they are more Asian looking

This one can pass as Filipino In my opinion maybe with Austronesian and Malayan Influences

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrXMRApMfeFMUMlP3zahbd959SRdig6 sRSZg&usqp=CAU

Cora from Nayarit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Huichol_indian.jpg

Mayan

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg/1200px-Jeunes_femmes_mayas.jpg

All southern -central Mexican Amerindian are Itsmid or centralid

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWeGFvkEg-Vqn2lfUPqAVUWns7tIQW5aPt0Q&usqp=CAU


To make it simple.

Margids are mainly from north west Mexico to central west, Centralids are from central Mexico and Itsmid are mainly southern Mexico to central America .

The woman from Nayarit looks more Hazara than Austronesian imo

[Laredo]

Agreed that they don't look Asian but have their own distinct unique phenotypes.

Yaqui, Mayo, Pima, Tepehuano are also mainly Margid? Them being very dark and tall (even if prone to obesity) would make them totally stand out/won't blend in among Pinoys/other Asians. They also seem more muscular than Flips and most other Asians in general. Heard from that Purepechan redditor that Margids are the least Asiatic looking in Mexico with one of the most Caucasoid ANE traits.

Do Seri have some Centralid admixture? They look more Asiatic than other tribes in Northwest Mexico.

You referring to the old man who might pass as Flip with those influences? The Cora woman (in Wiki it says she is Huichol) holding the infant looks less Asiatic with clear ANE traits, interestingly enough. Also I heard from that Purepechan user that the Huichol, Cora can look more Asiatic than Tarahumara and other Northern tribes due to the former might being part of Chichimeca confederation and thus acquiring Centralid or Istmid admixture.

Centralids in this case refer to Pueblid?

That user told me the Istmids of the South are the most Asiatic looking in Mexico (Purepechans, Tarahumaras look more Caucasoid than them) and I deduce from his statements and pictures that its only them that can have a degree of passing with Flips/Asians. And that Cora, Huichol still look overall more ANE/Caucasoid influenced aka progressive than possibly Otomi, Nahua and tribes further south according to him.

Thanks for the simplification.

And Pueblids are mainly native to north east and north central, In my opinion they are most proto Caucasoid resembling arizonid and many south west u.s natives.

Proper margids they are very brachy type some of them are mixed with other racial native tribes. But true proper margids I don't think they have much west euroasian traits.

Centralids and itmids are more infantile mongoloid type less than margids, pacifids , Pueblids.

But I think more asian looking natives are in southern america. How much west euroasian admixtures do Mexican natives carry by the way? You seem to know more about this type.

Bottom line I do think 3-5% of mexicans pass in the Philippines those with 10-25% European admixture.

[Khinerai]

And Pueblids are mainly native to north east and north central, In my opinion they are most proto Caucasoid resembling arizonid and many south west u.s natives.

Proper margids they are very brachy type some of them are mixed with other racial native tribes. But true proper margids I don't think they have much west euroasian traits.

Centralids and itmids are more infantile mongoloid type less than margids, pacifids , Pueblids.

But I think more asian looking natives are in southern america. How much west euroasian admixtures do Mexican natives carry by the way? You seem to know more about this type.

Bottom line I do think 3-5% of mexicans pass in the Philippines those with 10-25% European admixture.

This is who native Americans are related to
https://i.ibb.co/MPtQqLJ/beautiful-woman-asian-appearance-yellow-dress-walks-horse-summer-altai-beautiful-woman-asian-2354198.jpg (https://ibb.co/kqwvYFP)

[Khinerai]

This Influencer is half korean half Honduran, even though she is half NEAsian her Ameridian features are very apparent. Picture.she has with her Honduran mother
https://i.ibb.co/236CW8t/Screenshot-20230430-003044-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/v4BTVsP)
https://i.ibb.co/xm0VdMg/Screenshot-20230430-003021-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/f85mLCN)
https://i.ibb.co/VwvQJFy/Screenshot-20230430-003114-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/LNCJYTw)
https://i.ibb.co/WV1VgZH/Screenshot-20230430-015112-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/qJwJkKD)
https://i.ibb.co/Zxd8pL2/Screenshot-20230430-015122-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/sqjwdmW)

[Khinerai]

The woman from Nayarit looks more Hazara than Austronesian imo

The Cora woman, I know a Mexican woman irl who looks like that. I always equated those features to her being mestiza, didn't realize she was more amerindian then I thought.

[Zanzibar]

And Pueblids are mainly native to north east and north central, In my opinion they are most proto Caucasoid resembling arizonid and many south west u.s natives.

Proper margids they are very brachy type some of them are mixed with other racial native tribes. But true proper margids I don't think they have much west euroasian traits.

Centralids and itmids are more infantile mongoloid type less than margids, pacifids , Pueblids.

But I think more asian looking natives are in southern america. How much west euroasian admixtures do Mexican natives carry by the way? You seem to know more about this type.

Bottom line I do think 3-5% of mexicans pass in the Philippines those with 10-25% European admixture.

What tribes in Mexico are good examples of Pueblids? I C. Maybe they could have one of the highest ANE among Mexican Indians then.

Would Cora, Huichol be a three way mix of Centralid, Margid and Pueblid?

Can you post pics of proper Margid? Would Joel Huiqui be proper Margid or is mixed with other Native elements?

Not sure. Probably 23-30% or 22-26% with the exception of Inuits, Aleuts and many Alaskans who are much less. It's actually a bit difficult to estimate . The thing is on Global East-West Eurasia-Africa population PCAs/graphs, American Indians from north to south (Inuits/Aleuts and Alaskans are exempted, they carried much lower ANE than others), cluster tightly and thus seem homogenous. They all plot close to some Siberian and Central Asian Turkics such as Altaians, some Kazakhs from Western China (Gansu, close to Xinjiang), most Western-shifted Western Mongolians (massively Turkic ancestry) and some most Eastern-shifted Kyrgyzs, as these groups have similar amounts of East-West Eurasian ancestries to Natives in the range of 22-25% Western Eurasian.

Indios are definitely at least 30% ANE. But if they are up to 40% ANE or more which would is roughly 30% Caucasoid (ANE = 73-75% West Eurasian and 25-27% Tianyuan or Onge-related Eastern Eurasian), Natives should plot close to the average Kyrgyz who are closer to 28-30% Western Eurasian. But that's not the case; they plot more Eastern (towards Mongs) than Kyrgyzs. So it's possible they might be closer to 22-26% West Eurasian than up to 30%.

Keep in mind though that Natives are genetically very drifted from bottleneck and isolation, thus in PCAs and many calculators, they might behave more Eastern Eurasian-shifted than they actually are.

Here is an estimate of the ANE ancestry of Indios by Davidski. Global 10 gives very excellent fits for Natives unlike most other calculators/tests, that provide rather poor bad fits for Amerinds: https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-fresh-look-at-global-genetic-diversity.html

distance%=0.5479/distance=0.005479

Karitiana
Ulchi 64.45
AfontovaGora3 34.2
Dai 1.35

distance%=0.5055/distance=0.005055

Wichi
Ulchi 66.8
AfontovaGora3 33.2
Dai 0

Target: Mixe
Distance: 0.4912% / 0.00491191
67.8 Ulchi
32.2 AfontovaGora3

Target: Surui
Distance: 0.4492% / 0.00449237
63.8 Ulchi
34.4 AfontovaGora3
1.8 Dai

Target: Kennewick:kennewick
Distance: 0.5330% / 0.00533010
67.0 Ulchi
33.0 AfontovaGora3


Target: Clovis:Anzick
Distance: 0.6140% / 0.00613954
65.8 Ulchi
34.2 AfontovaGora3


Target: Zapotec
Distance: 0.6786% / 0.00678621
66.4 Ulchi
33.6 AfontovaGora3


When including Iberian reference for Zapotec (they score minor Euro according to what I've seen in other calculators). The fit slightly improve but not by much.

Target: Zapotec
Distance: 0.4573% / 0.00457268
63.2 Ulchi
32.0 AfontovaGora3
2.8 Spanish_Aragon
2.0 Dai

The Dai is utilized as proxy to gauge any recent Pacific Islander-East Asian signal which might be presented in some Natives.

This test should be a bit precise for Natives imo (although it's bizarre how many of them score the same amounts of ANE despite living totally separated and distant from one another) and suggest that they are at least around 33-36% ANE on average.

[Laredo]

What tribes in Mexico are good examples of Pueblids? I C. Maybe they could have one of the highest ANE among Mexican Indians then.

Would Cora, Huichol be a three way mix of Centralid, Margid and Pueblid?

Can you post pics of proper Margid? Would Joel Huiqui be proper Margid or is mixed with other Native elements?

Not sure. Probably 23-30% or 22-26% with the exception of Inuits, Aleuts and many Alaskans who are much less. It's actually a bit difficult to estimate . The thing is on Global East-West Eurasia-Africa population PCAs/graphs, American Indians from north to south (Inuits/Aleuts and Alaskans are exempted, they carried much lower ANE than others), cluster tightly and thus seem homogenous. They all plot close to some Siberian and Central Asian Turkics such as Altaians, some Kazakhs from Western China (Gansu, close to Xinjiang), most Western-shifted Western Mongolians (massively Turkic ancestry) and some most Eastern-shifted Kyrgyzs, as these groups have similar amounts of East-West Eurasian ancestries to Natives in the range of 22-25% Western Eurasian.

Indios are definitely at least 30% ANE. But if they are up to 40% ANE or more which would is roughly 30% Caucasoid (ANE = 73-75% West Eurasian and 25-27% Tianyuan or Onge-related Eastern Eurasian), Natives should plot close to the average Kyrgyz who are closer to 28-30% Western Eurasian. But that's not the case; they plot more Eastern (towards Mongs) than Kyrgyzs. So it's possible they might be closer to 22-26% West Eurasian than up to 30%.

Keep in mind though that Natives are genetically very drifted from bottleneck and isolation, thus in PCAs and many calculators, they might behave more Eastern Eurasian-shifted than they actually are.

Here is an estimate of the ANE ancestry of Indios by Davidski. Global 10 gives very excellent fits for Natives unlike most other calculators/tests, that provide rather poor bad fits for Amerinds: https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-fresh-look-at-global-genetic-diversity.html

distance%=0.5479/distance=0.005479

Karitiana
Ulchi 64.45
AfontovaGora3 34.2
Dai 1.35

distance%=0.5055/distance=0.005055

Wichi
Ulchi 66.8
AfontovaGora3 33.2
Dai 0

Target: Mixe
Distance: 0.4912% / 0.00491191
67.8 Ulchi
32.2 AfontovaGora3

Target: Surui
Distance: 0.4492% / 0.00449237
63.8 Ulchi
34.4 AfontovaGora3
1.8 Dai

Target: Kennewick:kennewick
Distance: 0.5330% / 0.00533010
67.0 Ulchi
33.0 AfontovaGora3


Target: Clovis:Anzick
Distance: 0.6140% / 0.00613954
65.8 Ulchi
34.2 AfontovaGora3


Target: Zapotec
Distance: 0.6786% / 0.00678621
66.4 Ulchi
33.6 AfontovaGora3


When including Iberian reference for Zapotec (they score minor Euro according to what I've seen in other calculators). The fit slightly improve but not by much.

Target: Zapotec
Distance: 0.4573% / 0.00457268
63.2 Ulchi
32.0 AfontovaGora3
2.8 Spanish_Aragon
2.0 Dai

The Dai is utilized as proxy to gauge any recent Pacific Islander-East Asian signal which might be presented in some Natives.

This test should be a bit precise for Natives imo (although it's bizarre how many of them score the same amounts of ANE despite living totally separated and distant from one another) and suggest that they are at least around 33-35% ANE on average.


So I guess you can say Mexican amerindians are on average 20-30% west euroasian with southern americans natives perhaps having more?

Well amerindians are very mixed even themselves.

But when I think of Pueblids I think like pseudo Dinarid type.

Some examples who I think they fit the description perhaps these people are not pure and might be 25% euro?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLKVw-8xn_-YVd1t8bb6Q6OSS8hsNFZfdJqwAg1OyXkhbtZQBRJO9ZMMmX&s=10

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSKTE9WhZucWy6JJ7lDn6LOTLKQhHeZa psdVg&usqp=CAU

Centralid or itmid?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZSsMr1zfZzB3SIk9FOE31R1hnnyT9B ln3yw&usqp=CAU

Margid

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYuVcYJBR4MCGr4UHYw53sulODkJsJ5 cqKgw&usqp=CAU

I wonder what would Yaritza Aparacio be? Centralid or Itsmid?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdchfbkfHikCqJSDltEbOx5msAN4Mjz nsZSw&usqp=CAU


Pacifid native sub race from North west Mexico and California's.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DWjsCts1Jpg/maxresdefault.jpg

To me Centralids and itsmids are the most proto mongoloids Infantile types, while other are more robust.