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meliton
04-21-2023, 01:38 PM
Hi! I`m currently wondering if someone has Pannonian Rusyn samples (Doesn't matter if G25 Coord. or Gedmatch Kits).
Because I want to check if there's a genetic difference between the Rusyn Subgroups (Lemko, Hutsuls, Pannonian Rusyns & co.).

If someone has a source that shows genetic similarities / differences, please feel free to share :)

Repent
05-14-2025, 08:50 AM
Bump.

cass
05-14-2025, 08:00 PM
https://i.ibb.co/VcxrHSC2/Zrzut-ekranu-14-5-2025-215947-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/DHYsGCM5)
Ukrainian_Chernihiv,0.132287,0.122992,0.068217,0.0 61334,0.04011,0.023241,0.009844,0.013589,-0.002909,-0.023022,-0.002779,-0.008492,0.018434,0.024711,-0.013301,-0.000133,0.003752,-0.000802,0.002318,-1.4e-05,-0.002634,-0.006375,0.006327,-0.004378,0.000758
Ukrainian_Dnipro,0.130441,0.11638,0.069767,0.05927 1,0.035914,0.021307,0.011351,0.011976,-0.002782,-0.023199,-0.002923,-0.009831,0.015862,0.022336,-0.010613,0.001047,0.003129,0.001533,0.002514,0.000 25,-0.004405,-0.005503,0.004412,-0.002434,0.00073
Ukrainian_Lviv,0.132161,0.127957,0.062267,0.04741, 0.036451,0.019399,0.008904,0.011436,0.000114,-0.014802,-0.004168,-0.006361,0.011629,0.02306,-0.009787,-0.005362,-0.001652,-0.001675,0.004874,-0.000361,-0.004783,-0.004218,0.004724,-0.002638,-0.001703
Ukrainian_Rivne,0.130137,0.124345,0.070228,0.06255 5,0.039221,0.021103,0.009662,0.010487,-0.000364,-0.020917,-0.003121,-0.008509,0.01442,0.022081,-0.01312,-0.000943,0.005534,-0.001731,0.003226,-0.000667,-0.004922,-0.003696,0.004834,-0.004311,0.000106
Ukrainian_Sumy,0.1301,0.122778,0.067467,0.059335,0 .039146,0.023594,0.009001,0.01253,-0.000409,-0.021395,-0.002988,-0.009292,0.014658,0.026382,-0.01212,-0.00476,-0.00266,0.000114,0.003306,-0.001788,-0.004442,-0.005923,0.005682,-0.007362,-0.000383
Ukrainian_Zakarpattia,0.128966,0.126234,0.057503,0 .041723,0.034254,0.016794,0.008542,0.008789,-0.001494,-0.012598,-0.0012,-0.005571,0.009909,0.016832,-0.011324,-0.000922,0.005754,-0.001151,0.002,6.5e-05,-0.003548,-0.003597,0.004099,-0.000157,-0.000208
Ukrainian_Zhytomyr,0.131385,0.127232,0.07106,0.059 294,0.03715,0.023268,0.010475,0.013252,-0.002922,-0.02291,-0.00341,-0.010041,0.01476,0.024241,-0.010295,-0.004129,0.004582,-0.000633,0.003663,0.000643,-0.007843,-0.003127,0.004631,-0.002771,0.001933
Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o,0.104717,0.142174,0.002263,-0.035207,0.014156,-0.016176,-0.002115,-0.001615,0.003272,0.011663,-0.000812,0.001049,0.000743,0.001514,-0.002036,0.000928,0.00326,0.0019,0.00352,0.000375,-0.001248,-0.004204,0.008504,-0.000723,0.003353
Rusyn_Lemko_Poland_(n=4),0.13594275,0.13728975,0.0 61492,0.042355,0.04067775,0.017682,0.00838475,0.00 860975,-0.00105875,-0.0072085,-0.00525525,-0.0024735,0.00490975,0.0234755,-0.0088705,-0.0020655,0.00456775,-0.000225,0.006597,0.00035025,-0.00148975,-0.00754325,0.0028055,-0.00018775,0.0008615
Rusyn_Ukraine_(n=1),0.132035,0.13405,0.050157,0.03 9083,0.033237,0.016455,0.009165,0.010153,-0.003886,-0.016948,-0.003735,-0.004196,0.006541,0.011836,-0.007193,0.002387,0.012126,-0.003547,0.004022,0.002126,-0.007736,-0.004575,0.006286,0.005181,-0.00012
Ukrainian_(n=24),0.13028,0.12385233,0.067803167,0. 057359417,0.037801792,0.021509417,0.0093513333,0.0 11211,-0.0029740833,-0.022187208,-0.000493875,-0.007449625,0.015336792,0.023762833,-0.0114005,-0.0026849583,0.0017819583,-0.00030616667,0.003571875,-0.0000051666667,-0.0058855,-0.0046112917,0.00619325,-0.0049302917,0.000414125
Ukrainian_Cherkasy_(n=2),0.1308965,0.11577,0.06448 75,0.05491,0.035545,0.018546,0.0103405,0.0153455,-0.0032725,-0.0186795,-0.000812,-0.010116,0.012859,0.0178225,-0.0122825,0,0.007497,-0.00152,0.000377,0.0018135,-0.0048665,-0.005317,0.002342,-0.00494,0.0015565
Ukrainian_Cherkasy_o_(n=1),0.130897,0.123895,0.047 894,0.037468,0.03416,0.006972,0.00564,0.010384,-0.005522,-0.011845,-0.003897,-0.004496,0.009812,0.020231,-0.014386,0.001061,0.00352,0.002027,0.006285,-0.00025,-0.005989,-0.003957,0.011092,0.001325,0.003473
Ukrainian_Chernihiv_(n=9),0.13228767,0.122992,0.06 8216778,0.061334111,0.04011,0.023240778,0.00984422 22,0.013589111,-0.0029086667,-0.023022667,-0.0027787778,-0.0084925556,0.018433778,0.024710778,-0.013300667,-0.00013233333,0.0037521111,-0.00080233333,0.0023186667,-0.000014,-0.0026343333,-0.0063751111,0.0063266667,-0.004378,0.00075833333
Ukrainian_Cossack_Dnipropetrovsk_(n=1),0.127482,0. 12491,0.064488,0.048773,0.037853,0.018686,0.009165 ,0.010615,-0.00409,-0.02041,-0.000162,-0.006744,0.012042,0.023121,-0.008686,-0.01127,-0.009779,0.00076,0.003142,0.002001,-0.000873,-0.006925,0.000986,-0.001566,0.002155
Ukrainian_Cossack_Zaporizhzhia_(n=1),0.135449,0.11 6786,0.071653,0.060078,0.033852,0.023148,0.011281, 0.010615,0.003068,-0.017859,-0.000974,-0.008243,0.017839,0.021744,-0.009093,0.001989,0.000391,0.005194,0.00352,0.0033 77,-0.009608,-0.002349,0.004067,-0.006868,0.000599
Ukrainian_Crimea_(n=1),0.12862,0.126941,0.065996,0 .057817,0.036622,0.017291,0.010575,0.008538,-0.00225,-0.021504,0.005359,-0.004946,0.017245,0.016928,-0.008686,-0.003845,-0.010822,-0.0019,0.005405,-0.00988,-0.010606,-0.004699,0.010599,-0.000964,-0.003473
Ukrainian_Dnipro_(n=9),0.13089667,0.11881689,0.070 060556,0.060472778,0.036929889,0.021412556,0.01094 1,0.012640444,-0.0031132222,-0.023953778,-0.0029408889,-0.009708,0.016369333,0.023105333,-0.010133667,0.00073666667,0.0034045556,0.002041111 1,0.0027374444,0.00061133333,-0.0048112222,-0.0056466667,0.0039712222,-0.0031462222,0.00049233333
Ukrainian_Dnipro_o_(n=1),0.126344,0.094444,0.06712 7,0.04845,0.026774,0.020359,0.015041,0.006,0.00020 5,-0.016401,-0.002761,-0.01094,0.011298,0.015414,-0.014929,0.003845,0.000652,-0.003041,0.000503,-0.003001,-0.000749,-0.004204,0.008381,0.003976,0.002874
Ukrainian_Donetsk_(n=3),0.131276,0.11780167,0.0687 61667,0.056740333,0.03416,0.024356667,0.0082253333 ,0.011537667,-0.000886,-0.022658,-0.0023276667,-0.010740667,0.017641333,0.025643333,-0.011988667,-0.0071156667,-0.0025206667,-0.0010556667,-0.000419,-0.0024176667,-0.0016223333,-0.0038333333,0.0066963333,-0.0040166667,-0.0015166667
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_(n=1),0.12862,0.123895,0.061848,0.052326 ,0.03139,0.02259,0.01034,0.010153,-0.000409,-0.020957,-0.000325,-0.005245,0.011893,0.012524,0.000814,-0.000663,0.002477,-0.003041,0.002891,-0.001,-0.003619,-0.003339,0.007272,-0.005543,-0.002634
Ukrainian_Kharkiv_(n=1),0.129758,0.125926,0.064865 ,0.05814,0.040007,0.018965,0.010575,0.014538,-0.002454,-0.019499,-0.006496,-0.003747,0.011744,0.020231,-0.010858,-0.008486,-0.005867,0.00114,0.008673,0.003001,-0.00574,-0.00507,0.009983,-0.013737,-0.003592
Ukrainian_Kiev_(n=1),0.121791,0.116786,0.067882,0. 056202,0.039392,0.020638,0.01081,0.016384,-0.010431,-0.028064,-0.003248,-0.013038,0.018137,0.019405,-0.014658,0.003978,0.002999,0.000887,-0.002765,-0.003001,-0.008111,-0.001607,0.005916,-0.000843,-0.001317
Ukrainian_Kropyvnytskyi_(n=2),0.1286205,0.1244025, 0.0590195,0.060078,0.0338525,0.020638,0.0066975,0. 0114225,0.0028635,-0.017768,-0.0060895,-0.006519,0.0137515,0.0148635,-0.017033,0.0002655,0.007432,-0.001267,0,0.000938,-0.0068005,-0.0037095,0.0032045,-0.0021085,0.0020955
Ukrainian_Lviv_(n=11),0.13244873,0.12712582,0.0618 47818,0.047481,0.035922636,0.018736455,0.008716636 4,0.010866636,-0.00013027273,-0.015390636,-0.0038088182,-0.0060628182,0.011555091,0.021268909,-0.010055545,-0.0016633636,0.0010667273,-0.0010133636,0.004445,0.000079636364,-0.0046396364,-0.0036983636,0.0056469091,-0.0018950909,-0.0012954545
Ukrainian_Poltava_(n=2),0.128051,0.1193245,0.06863 6,0.0570095,0.0390845,0.0214745,0.00611,0.012115,-0.0029655,-0.0241465,0.0005685,-0.0065195,0.013974,0.025873,-0.0099755,-0.0023205,0.003064,0.005004,0.0021995,0.0035015,-0.0047415,-0.004575,0.0115235,-0.006567,0.0037725
Ukrainian_Pontic_(n=3),0.131276,0.120848,0.0634816 67,0.052326,0.037956,0.022404333,0.0084603333,0.01 1461,0.0045676667,-0.013789333,-0.0027606667,-0.008093,0.016105,0.020184667,-0.012712667,-0.0017236667,0.0018686667,0.0018156667,0.005028,-0.0028346667,-0.0012476667,-0.0041626667,-0.00036966667,-0.0054223333,0.00043933333
Ukrainian_Rivne_(n=12),0.131181,0.12524875,0.07140 1667,0.062231333,0.039007083,0.021125917,0.0098704 167,0.01005725,-0.00088616667,-0.021883583,-0.0038161667,-0.0080054167,0.014358167,0.0211595,-0.013459,-0.00054133333,0.006215,-0.0016891667,0.0022100833,0.000667,-0.0041695833,-0.0034828333,0.00621375,-0.0039661667,0.00091816667
Ukrainian_Sumy_(n=16),0.13054088,0.12376769,0.0689 42312,0.0595935,0.039084187,0.022956188,0.00837212 5,0.01270625,-0.0011376875,-0.02047875,-0.0024054375,-0.0095633125,0.014773188,0.022002437,-0.011027313,-0.0020883125,0.002346875,-0.000150625,0.003071625,0.00053925,-0.0032053125,-0.004265875,0.0055923125,-0.00589675,-0.0007784375
Ukrainian_Ternopil_(n=2),0.1337425,0.126941,0.0586 42,0.0511955,0.0350835,0.020638,0.0066975,0.009461 ,-0.004602,-0.0127565,0.000081,-0.003597,0.010258,0.0176155,-0.011129,0.002387,0.009648,-0.00057,-0.000126,-0.001063,-0.011854,-0.0027205,0.0033275,-0.0043375,0.002754
Ukrainian_Volyn_(n=1),0.134311,0.123895,0.071653,0 .063954,0.044008,0.022869,0.003525,0.016615,-0.01084,-0.025331,-0.004384,-0.005095,0.011744,0.030277,-0.00855,-0.010475,-0.01356,-0.003927,-0.005279,-0.012131,-0.007861,-0.006925,0.001356,-0.006266,-0.005748
Ukrainian_Zakarpattia_(n=25),0.12898436,0.12629128 ,0.05782012,0.0423776,0.03420928,0.01695652,0.0084 0388,0.0090088,-0.00134168,-0.01285128,-0.00148104,-0.005623,0.01003764,0.01716968,-0.01093364,-0.00206828,0.00446436,-0.00152028,0.00165916,0.00030012,-0.00374836,-0.00360568,0.00417068,-0.0002698,-0.00045508
Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia_(n=1),0.134311,0.135065,0.0 60716,0.051357,0.038161,0.019243,0.011516,0.014769 ,-0.0045,-0.014397,0.001299,0.00015,0.013528,0.025047,-0.009365,-0.014452,-0.002738,0.002534,0.002388,0.003627,-0.011605,-0.003586,0.004807,-0.001325,0.000359
Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_(n=11),0.13110336,0.12472555,0. 068944636,0.058932818,0.037013727,0.023984545,0.00 93149091,0.013677727,-0.0030678182,-0.021520364,-0.0033215455,-0.0097004545,0.016041818,0.023508364,-0.010623273,-0.0031098182,0.0039944545,-0.0012324545,0.0024568182,0.0022853636,-0.0056378182,-0.0025291818,0.0064649091,-0.0021908182,0.0023078182

Croatian Legend
05-16-2025, 11:32 AM
Finaly some Rusyn samples from the places where White Croatia was! Well doesn't surprise me to see that they are close to Croats and Slovenians.

Croatian Legend
05-16-2025, 11:40 AM
Almost all Rusyns i spoke to claimed ancestry from White Croats. Love em! They pretty much preserved the genetic picture of Medieval Croats !

Nurzat
05-19-2025, 08:03 AM
Almost all Rusyns i spoke to claimed ancestry from White Croats. Love em! They pretty much preserved the genetic picture of Medieval Croats !

for Hutsuls for example IBD shows they share with Ukrainians and Poles mostly and then (but much less so) with (northern) Romanians (which themselves are quite Ruthenian-mixed).

they artificially get similar to Croats/Slovenes on distance just because they end up with closer macro components split, not because of actual ancestral relationship in a relevant timeframe (more than the common Slavic base that then mixed everywhere with local and then with future arrival components).

Moldovans get Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, and especially Serbs as well at closer distance than to South Romanians for example, for the same reason, because Moldovans are based on a pre-Ukrainian (Ruthenian) population in their territory, before Vlachs came and mixed with them, and not because of a real shared relevantly recent origin between Moldovans and Serbs, other than the ancestral base for both, which is Slavic plus post-Roman Balkans.

Dušan
05-19-2025, 03:38 PM
Moldovans get Croats, Bosniaks, Slovenes, and especially Serbs as well at closer distance than to South Romanians for example, for the same reason, because Moldovans are based on a pre-Ukrainian (Ruthenian) population in their territory, before Vlachs came and mixed with them, and not because of a real shared relevantly recent origin between Moldovans and Serbs, other than the ancestral base for both, which is Slavic plus post-Roman Balkans.

Indeed. :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/OA8nrzs.png