Why Poles are so little influenced genetically by Western neighbours despite so much history?

[Methuselah]

History and mystery. Quite many tend to say Poles are quite Celtic and Germanic admixed but is this really true?

[Victor]

I have an amateur feeling that Germans are more influenced by Poles, than Poles by Germans. Because Germans were someway culturally and state/socially superior and had more options in assimilating neighbors than Poles assimilating them. Even nowadays I think there are more Germans with Polish origins than otherwise. Poles didn't have a statehood and own institutions for centuries.

Same as I think few millions of 140 mln of Russians have Polish origins and even more Polish surnames but not otherwise. I have Polish surname from some 1700s.

The only ones they siginficantlly assimilated themselves are probably some Rusins in nowadays Western Ukraine.

[Voskos]

The Polish ethnogenesis is as mysterious as their cuisine.

[Victor]

The Polish ethnogenesis is as mysterious as their cuisine.

Pole nobility pretended to be coming from Sarmatians, while the "plebeans are Slavs" xD My surname is in szlachta list and far ancestor is an Orthodox sczlactha member from Poltava. Are you really a Greek living in Poland?

[Voskos]

Pole nobility pretended to be coming from Sarmatians, while the "plebeans are Slavs"

lmao!

[nittionia]

ya rumor has it poles brought brown eyes to germany

[Victor]

lmao!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

[Methuselah]

I have an amateur feeling that Germans are more influenced by Poles, than Poles by Germans. Because Germans were someway culturally and state/socially superior and had more options in assimilating neighbors than Poles assimilating them. Even nowadays I think there are more Germans with Polish origins than otherwise. Poles didn't have a statehood and own institutions for centuries.

Same as I think few millions of 140 mln of Russians have Polish origins and even more Polish surnames but not otherwise. I have Polish surname from some 1700s.

The only ones they siginficantlly assimilated themselves are probably some Rusins in nowadays Western Ukraine.

I also have some Polish families like Lebeda and Malinovski from my maternal line (mom's father was Ukrainian with Polish blood and mom's mother was Siberian woman with Polish background lol, they moved before revolution and were forced to switch from Catholicism to Orthodox faith).

[Victor]

I also have some Polish families like Lebeda and Malinovski from my maternal line (mom's father was Ukrainian with Polish blood and mom's mother was Siberian woman with Polish background lol, they moved before revolution and were forced to switch from Catholicism to Orthodox faith).

Mine are Cossacks who never had to choose faith, in some period Poles started to integrate them into Szlachta (not without this Sarmatian theory), but then the left bank of Dnepr became Russian, so the local nobility and officers became Russian nobility and officers.

[cass]

ya rumor has it poles brought brown eyes to germany


In my area it's the other way around.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Subscribed. This sounds like an interesting theme.

[cass]

History and mystery. Quite many tend to say Poles are quite Celtic and Germanic admixed but is this really true?
I tend to agree.
https://i.ibb.co/6nhkskM/caa3.jpg (https://ibb.co/tmf9C9G)

https://i.ibb.co/StHT7VF/caa2.jpg (https://ibb.co/X76BkFc)

[nittionia]

In my area it's the other way around.

i believe you

[Methuselah]

I tend to agree.
https://i.ibb.co/6nhkskM/caa3.jpg (https://ibb.co/tmf9C9G)

https://i.ibb.co/StHT7VF/caa2.jpg (https://ibb.co/X76BkFc)

Is it Germanic component making you genetically close to Germans? Anyways, it must be seen in DNA tests and also compared to Czechs who usually have it and Eastern Slavs who usually don't have it. Does it show up?

[cass]

Is it Germanic component making you genetically close to Germans? Anyways, it must be seen in DNA tests and also compared to Czechs who usually have it and Eastern Slavs who usually don't have it. Does it show up?

It clusters more British/Celtic and Scandinavian than C.German and seems to be pretty old.
[url=https://ibb.co/Wf934T1]https://i.ibb.co/rHPtRWJ/cass4.png[/url

It looks similar to E.German in K36Marques but IMHO these E. Germans are rather Germanized autochthons.

Mixed Mode:
1 51,95% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 48,05% Germanic_Europe:German_County_Glatz @ 5,668
2 50,39% Germanic_Europe:German_County_Glatz + 49,61% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland @ 5,709
3 55,08% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 44,92% Germanic_Europe:German_North_Moravia @ 6,246
4 73,83% East_Central_European:Upper_Silesia + 26,17% Germanic_Europe:German_North_Moravia @ 6,301
5 50,39% Germanic_Europe:German_North_Moravia + 49,61% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland @ 6,409
6 64,45% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35,55% Germanic_Europe:Dutch_South @ 6,569
7 65,23% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 34,77% Scotland:Orcadian @ 6,573
8 69,14% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 30,86% North_West_Europe:FR_Finistère @ 6,593
9 69,14% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 30,86% North_West_Europe:France_NorthWest @ 6,611
10 55,86% Germanic_Europe:German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 44,14% Germanic_Europe:German_North_Bohemia @ 6,651