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RyoHazuki
04-24-2023, 06:33 PM
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Southern:ITA_Etruscan,0.126913,0.153853,0.034695,-0.014212,0.0417,-0.005299,0.0024675,-0.002769,0.019839,0.0343515,-0.0023545,0.014237,-0.014792,-0.004335,-0.00475,-0.007823,-0.0028035,0.0052575,0.011564,-0.001188,-0.002558,0.003771,-6.15e-05,-0.0004215,-0.002694
Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.147252,0.03 3187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.103678,0.1494594,-0.0242505,-0.0582523,0.0040877,-0.020541,-0.0008889,-0.0052071,0.0008314,0.0195507,0.0034772,0.0027366,-0.0037165,-0.0013911,-0.0080222,-0.0016862,0.0037528,0.0005591,0.0010548,-0.0031564,-0.0024657,0.0020026,-0.0008307,-0.0003589,0.0005207
Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan,0.125205,0.138112,0.030547,-0.010982,0.023081,-0.011713,0.002115,-0.001846,0.006954,0.021139,0.008119,0.005845,-0.011596,-0.000826,-0.007465,-0.01432,-0.011604,0.005194,0.002765,-0.00988,-0.009733,0.001607,-0.002465,0.003976,-0.005508
Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA,0.12862,0.145221, 0.04714,0.005491,0.046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133173,0.131511,0.07071 ,0.056848,0.0350835,0.028726,0.006815,0.0077305,0. 006136,-0.016492,-0.0016235,-0.0060695,0.00773,0.021538,-0.0115365,-0.0017235,0,0.0013305,0.007856,5e-04,0.0007485,-0.004204,0.0083805,-0.006145,0.0030535
Northern:England_Roman,0.127482,0.1368064,0.059585 3,0.0494651,0.0371496,0.0170523,0.0036593,0.005241 6,0.0030094,0.0031503,-0.0053821,0.007108,-0.0142077,-0.0127597,0.0219673,0.0017616,-0.0083819,0.0011221,0.0039503,0.0038054,0.0052586, 0.0016606,-0.0035037,0.0071954,-0.0002394
Northern:England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.06387 47,0.0569288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939 ,0.0039881,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681
Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,0.118376,0.1457285,0.0446885,0.013566,0.044 6235,-0.000139,0.0005875,0.007615,0.024441,0.0266065,-0.0080385,0.008917,-0.0064665,-0.006675,0.012079,0.002055,-0.008279,0.004371,-0.000754,0.0027515,-0.0004995,-0.0009275,-0.0056695,0.00241,-0.0022755
Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE,0.1141078,0.1454745,0.033941,-0.0063792,0.0375455,-0.001046,0.0001175,0.0031728,0.0259233,0.033076,-0.0032475,0.003859,-0.0118182,-0.0116978,0.0027482,-0.0012927,6.5e-05,-0.0040538,-0.00088,-0.0025328,0.004336,0.000371,-0.0001847,-0.0011747,-0.0003592
Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE,0.0792967,0.1458977,0.0169707,-0.033269,0.0377503,-0.0193363,-0.00188,0.0075383,0.029997,0.0365687,-0.004655,0.0036467,-0.006244,-0.0152303,0.006424,0.0057013,0.0072147,-0.005321,-0.011229,-0.0012087,0.001414,-0.0038333,0.0067787,-0.001165,-0.0035523
Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE,0.077237,0.1475419,0.0206877,-0.0299467,0.034468,-0.0104386,-0.0077887,0.0028351,0.0325194,0.035536,-0.0023664,0.005973,-0.0041839,-0.0106953,0.003897,-0.003258,0.0035204,-3.6e-05,-0.011277,-0.0003391,-0.0028163,-0.011217,0.0058629,-0.0088307,-5.13e-05
Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA,0.126591,0.1332552,0.061 8642,0.0466805,0.040663,0.0170852,0.0025442,0.0054 781,0.0043217,0.0003011,-0.0052105,0.003929,-0.0064118,-0.003632,0.0144513,0.0032341,-0.0056688,0.0038117,0.0040004,0.0025502,0.0045137, 0.0010376,-0.001538,0.0115206,-0.0008695
Northern:POL_Weklice,0.1325406,0.1295364,0.0744184 ,0.0634874,0.0426062,0.0238607,0.0064236,0.0109483 ,0.0049312,-0.0093142,-0.0056656,0.005262,-0.0080772,-0.0048472,0.0188952,0.0100621,0.0004054,0.0001832, 0.00169,0.0044188,0.0092338,0.0032837,-0.0003151,0.0134421,-0.0010646
Northern:England_EMBA,0.125205,0.129988,0.060716,0 .06137,0.029236,0.020359,0.012691,0.002077,0.00265 9,-0.005103,-0.002273,0.003447,-0.010406,-0.01445,0.029587,-0.005834,-0.020601,0.008868,0.003017,0.001,0.002371,-0.001484,-0.008134,0.008435,0.003832
Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic,0.1301377,0.130326,0.064 2363,0.0531873,0.0370327,0.0162687,0.0073633,0.005 2307,-0.001227,0.0023087,-0.0040053,0.0096903,-0.017344,-0.009725,0.0237963,0.0143197,0.0031727,0.0040117,0 .003855,0.004918,0.0058647,0.004493,-0.002999,0.014058,-0.0012773
Beowulf
04-24-2023, 06:34 PM
Target: Ivorix
Distance: 0.8915% / 0.00891521
78.8 Southern
21.2 Northern




Target: Ivorix
Distance: 0.8915% / 0.00891530
43.0 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
16.8 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
11.0 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
9.2 Northern:POL_Weklice
8.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
4.2 Northern:England_Roman
3.6 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
2.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
1.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Without the Prenestini_IA wich overlpas with Iberians:

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.0749% / 0.01074941
31.8 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
22.8 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
21.4 Northern:England_Roman
13.6 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
6.8 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
3.2 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.4 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: Ivorix
Distance: 1.0749% / 0.01074941
75.0 Southern
25.0 Northern
Voskos
04-24-2023, 06:36 PM
Target: voskos
Distance: 1.7027% / 0.01702668
79.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
9.8 Northern:England_Saxon
7.6 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
3.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
RyoHazuki
04-24-2023, 06:50 PM
Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 2.4262% / 0.02426241 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.0 Northern
30.0 Southern

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.9902% / 0.00990230 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.4 Northern
33.6 Southern

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.9902% / 0.00990230 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.2 Northern:England_Roman
20.4 Northern:POL_Weklice
18.0 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
15.6 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
9.6 Northern:DEU_MA_Baiuvaric
6.2 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 2.4262% / 0.02426241 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.6 Northern:England_EMBA
26.4 Northern:DEU_MA_Baiuvaric
25.2 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
4.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
noricum
04-24-2023, 06:54 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.9169% / 0.01916906
68.4 Northern
31.6 Southern

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.9169% / 0.01916906
57.8 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
18.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
12.8 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
10.6 Northern:England_EMBA
cass
04-24-2023, 06:56 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 1.1483% / 0.01148264
93.4 Northern
6.6 Southern

Distance to: cass
0.02310898 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.03593245 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.03943478 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.04652687 Northern:England_Saxon
0.04867263 Northern:England_Roman
0.05176470 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.05711743 Northern:England_EMBA
0.07782068 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.09358815 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.09783471 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.10018249 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.10451275 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.11447883 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.12559496 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.13521556 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13951806 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.16433808 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial



Target: cass
Distance: 1.1754% / 0.01175384 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.2 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
29.2 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
8.6 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: cass
Distance: 1.1483% / 0.01148264
64.6 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
18.2 Northern:POL_Weklice
6.4 Northern:England_Saxon
5.2 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
4.2 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
1.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
paradox
04-24-2023, 07:02 PM
Distanceto: paradox_scaled
0.04634655 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.06188642 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.06377846 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.06964876 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.07345260 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.07855959 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.08043382 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.08278451 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.08569844 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.09445209 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.09970130 Northern:England_Roman
0.10502962 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.10618487 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.11025788 Northern:England_Saxon
0.11363009 Northern:England_EMBA
0.11842961 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 1.6171% / 0.01617088
60.6 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
39.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
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Distanceto: Father_scaled
0.04077339 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.06026282 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.06058393 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.06065783 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.07210217 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.07390765 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.07904738 Northern:England_Roman
0.08067166 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.08822403 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.08834637 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.09009295 Northern:England_Saxon
0.09060764 Northern:England_EMBA
0.09199618 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.09262711 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.09671335 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.09768082 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 1.9652% / 0.01965168
40.8 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
34.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
25.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Dušan
04-24-2023, 07:02 PM
Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 2.1636% / 0.02163589
63.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
22.6 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
14.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial


Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 2.1636% / 0.02163589
63.0 Northern
37.0 Southern
Vitez
04-24-2023, 07:10 PM
Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 1.4915% / 0.01491510
68.6 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
13.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
10.2 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
5.8 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
2.2 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
cass
04-24-2023, 07:13 PM
Cool but Baltic and Finnish are missing

Target: East_Slavic:Ukrainian
Distance: 2.0083% / 0.02008322
99.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.6 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial


Target: East_Slavic:Belarusian
Distance: 2.5702% / 0.02570227
100.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad


Target: East_Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 2.5276% / 0.02527643
100.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad

Target: Ugric:Estonian
Distance: 4.3299% / 0.04329877
85.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
14.6 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: Baltic:Lithuanian_SZ
Distance: 4.8891% / 0.04889050
100.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
Gallop
04-24-2023, 07:18 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.0607% / 0.02060714
84.4 Southern
15.6 Northern

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.0607% / 0.02060738
46.8 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
24.8 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
13.0 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
7.2 Northern:England_EMBA
6.2 Northern:England_Roman
2.0 Northern:POL_Weklice


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.2589% / 0.02258869
80.2 Southern
19.8 Northern

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.2589% / 0.02258869
47.6 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
27.8 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
18.0 Northern:POL_Weklice
4.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
1.8 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad





out Penestrini tribe

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.3236% / 0.02323636
75.0 Southern
25.0 Northern

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.3436% / 0.02343605
78.4 Southern
21.6 Northern
J. Ketch
04-24-2023, 07:23 PM
Model needs Central Europe.

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 2.0313% / 0.02031305
93.2 Northern
6.8 Southern

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 2.0313% / 0.02031305
48.4 Northern:England_Roman
27.2 Northern:England_EMBA
17.6 Northern:POL_Weklice
6.8 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
alnortedelsur
04-24-2023, 07:25 PM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.9998% / 0.01999841
75.0 Southern
15.0 Northern
6.4 Yukpa
3.6 SSA



Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.06683647 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.07261664 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.07494114 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.07622366 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.07718241 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.08101701 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.08699976 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.08717291 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.09907399 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.10401870 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.10507810 Northern:England_Roman
0.10859350 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.11413530 Northern:England_EMBA
0.11513974 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.11952560 Northern:England_Saxon
0.12753547 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.12759168 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.64661427 Yukpa
0.71075688 SSA:West_African_Niger-Congo:Igbo
cass
04-24-2023, 07:28 PM
Model needs Central Europe.


Rather Baltic, Finnish and Greek instead of Slavic
Hulu
04-24-2023, 07:29 PM
How ancient is this?

Distance to: Hulu_scaled
0.04939847 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.05263978 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.05958441 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.05969711 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.06442840 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.06776240 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.06817742 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.07222470 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.08447007 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.08604744 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.11689098 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.12059886 Northern:England_Roman
0.12590596 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.13079305 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.13184570 Northern:England_Saxon
0.13728457 Northern:England_EMBA
0.14090414 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.1475% / 0.03147504
54.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
22.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
15.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
7.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.4024% / 0.03402433 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
35.4 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
21.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.7167% / 0.03716652 | ADC: 1x RC
47.6 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
41.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
11.2 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2


Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 4.6615% / 0.04661466 | ADC: 2x RC
60.0 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
40.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
alexmegas777
04-24-2023, 07:39 PM
Distance to: alexmegas_scaled
0.04429126 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.05186177 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.05189975 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.05218635 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05521710 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.06242274 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.06827210 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.07478760 Northern:England_Roman
0.07597648 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.08142457 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.08154644 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.08448177 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.08478371 Northern:England_Saxon
0.08822936 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.09188064 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.09240896 Northern:England_EMBA
0.09999031 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 2.2846% / 0.02284611
58.2 Southern
41.8 Northern
gixajo
04-24-2023, 07:49 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4762% / 0.01476173
100.0 Southern

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.7773% / 0.01777296
100.0 Southern

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7688% / 0.01768770
93.6 Southern
6.4 Northern
frankhammer
04-24-2023, 08:02 PM
Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 2.0930% / 0.02092955
78.4 Northern
21.6 Southern

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 2.0930% / 0.02092955
42.8 Northern:England_Saxon
21.6 Northern:POL_Weklice
15.0 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
14.0 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
6.6 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
Occiput in Starlight
04-24-2023, 08:05 PM
78.4 Northern
21.6 Southern

Pleasantly surprised with how eloquent your Southern is.

Very nice, Sir.
Demirkazık
04-24-2023, 08:10 PM
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 4.0833% / 0.04083299
69.0 Southern
18.6 Mongol
12.4 Northern
Jingle Bell
04-24-2023, 08:30 PM
(+ SSA and Native American)

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.8003% / 0.01800288
44.2 Southern
41.8 West_African_Niger-Congo
7.4 Northern
2.8 Amazonian
2.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic
1.6 Southern_African_Niger-Congo
RyoHazuki
04-24-2023, 09:13 PM
Model needs Central Europe.

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 2.0313% / 0.02031305
93.2 Northern
6.8 Southern

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 2.0313% / 0.02031305
48.4 Northern:England_Roman
27.2 Northern:England_EMBA
17.6 Northern:POL_Weklice
6.8 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA

I purposefully omitted central europe because continental celts blurred the line between north and south.
RyoHazuki
04-24-2023, 09:16 PM
Cool but Baltic and Finnish are missing

Target: East_Slavic:Ukrainian
Distance: 2.0083% / 0.02008322
99.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.6 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial


Target: East_Slavic:Belarusian
Distance: 2.5702% / 0.02570227
100.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad


Target: East_Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 2.5276% / 0.02527643
100.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad

Target: Ugric:Estonian
Distance: 4.3299% / 0.04329877
85.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
14.6 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: Baltic:Lithuanian_SZ
Distance: 4.8891% / 0.04889050
100.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad

No Finnish and Baltic because they fall too far outside the North/South polarity. Its purely Northern Europe vs Southern.
RyoHazuki
04-24-2023, 09:18 PM
How ancient is this?

Distance to: Hulu_scaled
0.04939847 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.05263978 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.05958441 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.05969711 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.06442840 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.06776240 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.06817742 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.07222470 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.08447007 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.08604744 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.11689098 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.12059886 Northern:England_Roman
0.12590596 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.13079305 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.13184570 Northern:England_Saxon
0.13728457 Northern:England_EMBA
0.14090414 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.1475% / 0.03147504
54.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
22.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
15.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
7.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.4024% / 0.03402433 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
35.4 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
21.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.7167% / 0.03716652 | ADC: 1x RC
47.6 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
41.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
11.2 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2


Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 4.6615% / 0.04661466 | ADC: 2x RC
60.0 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
40.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan

That one made it in by accident, its actually a Southern shifted sample from Middle Ages.
lockdownboredom
04-24-2023, 09:32 PM
Target: LB_scaled
Distance: 3.2583% / 0.03258293
39.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
32.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
27.8 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad

Target: LB_Nephew
Distance: 3.0057% / 0.03005704
47.6 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
20.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
17.2 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
15.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Kriptc06
04-24-2023, 09:34 PM
Target: Kriptsov
Distance: 1.3722% / 0.01372210
65.2 Southern
13.4 Northern
11.8 Amerindian
9.6 Sub-Saharan

Aggregate =No
Target: Kriptsov
Distance: 1.3724% / 0.01372354
33.0 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
20.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
11.8 Amerindian:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP:CP25
9.6 Sub-Saharan:Yoruba:NA18486
7.8 Northern:England_EMBA
7.0 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
4.4 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
3.6 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
1.8 Northern:POL_Weklice
1.0 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
Aila
04-24-2023, 09:35 PM
Distance to: Aila_scaled
0.06698225 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.07418168 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.08421030 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.08640040 Northern:England_Saxon
0.08768053 Northern:England_EMBA
0.08824844 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.09304907 Northern:England_Roman
0.12831968 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.14086601 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.14089030 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.14419606 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.15450794 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.17042067 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.17499519 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.17883183 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.20260195 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Target: Aila_scaled
Distance: 6.4452% / 0.06445224
100.0 Northern
Pedro Ruben
04-24-2023, 10:33 PM
Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 2.2697% / 0.02269741
66.2 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
27.4 Northern:England_EMBA
4.2 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
1.6 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.6 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 2.4911% / 0.02491085
73.6 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
25.6 Northern:England_EMBA
0.8 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2658% / 0.02265804
26.4 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
22.6 Northern:England_Roman
21.6 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
20.2 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
4.6 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
4.6 Northern:England_EMBA
J. Ketch
04-24-2023, 11:18 PM
I purposefully omitted central europe because continental celts blurred the line between north and south.
It's just that modern NW Europeans are largely a mixture of ancient Northern Europeans and ancient Central Europeans (not ancient Southern Europeans), and that also differentiates them from NE Europeans.
rothaer
04-24-2023, 11:40 PM
Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.2850% / 0.01285011
91.2 Northern
8.8 Southern

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 1.6444% / 0.01644445
100.0 Northern
RyoHazuki
04-24-2023, 11:42 PM
It's just that modern NW Europeans are largely a mixture of ancient Northern Europeans and ancient Central Europeans (not ancient Southern Europeans), and that also differentiates them from NE Europeans.

I know, but that's not what I aimed to illustrate with this model. I wanted a clear nort south divide without the overlap of la tene
celticdragongod
04-25-2023, 12:29 AM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02151548 Northern:England_Roman
0.02313597 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.02415211 Northern:England_Saxon
0.03090212 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.03396148 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.03568083 Northern:England_EMBA
0.06299327 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.06373480 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.07397846 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.08593976 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.09143966 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.09289465 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.11331547 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.12749382 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13011537 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.15967081 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8944% / 0.01894398
55.6 Northern:England_Saxon
16.8 Northern:England_Roman
12.8 Northern:England_EMBA
5.6 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
5.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
4.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.2 Northern:POL_Weklice

120099
Hulu
04-25-2023, 12:49 AM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02151548 Northern:England_Roman
0.02313597 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.02415211 Northern:England_Saxon
0.03090212 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.03396148 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.03568083 Northern:England_EMBA
0.06299327 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.06373480 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.07397846 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.08593976 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.09143966 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.09289465 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.11331547 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.12749382 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13011537 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.15967081 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8944% / 0.01894398
55.6 Northern:England_Saxon
16.8 Northern:England_Roman
12.8 Northern:England_EMBA
5.6 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
5.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
4.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.2 Northern:POL_Weklice

120099


That one made it in by accident, its actually a Southern shifted sample from Middle Ages.



Now I see there are 2 of them DEU-Alemannic. Was the southern one an outlier or were there others?
RyoHazuki
04-25-2023, 02:10 AM
Now I see there are 2 of them DEU-Alemannic. Was the southern one an outlier or were there others?

The other one was an outlier, I removed it.
Dick
04-25-2023, 02:20 AM
Target: dick_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4509% / 0.01450946
68.6 Northern
31.4 Southern

Distance to: dick_g25_scaled
0.05342303 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.05573537 Northern: DNK_Langeland_VA
0.06333614 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.06456013 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.06663146 Northern:England_Roman
0.07145162 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.07276380 Northern: DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.07311230 Northern:England_Saxon
0.07419391 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.07606793 Northern: POL_Weklice
0.07944684 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.08026394 Northern:England_EMBA
0.09968323 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.10346474 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.10781950 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.12102478 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Grace O'Malley
04-25-2023, 03:04 AM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7130% / 0.01712980
100.0 Northern

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7130% / 0.01712980
45.2 Northern:England_Saxon
44.8 Northern:England_Roman
10.0 Northern:POL_Weklice
Albannach
04-25-2023, 03:41 AM
Target: Albannach_scaled
Distance: 1.9067% / 0.01906684
98.2 Northern
1.8 Southern


Target: Albannach_scaled
Distance: 1.9067% / 0.01906684
39.4 Northern:England_Roman
32.2 Northern:England_EMBA
26.0 Northern:England_Saxon
1.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.6 Northern:POL_Weklice
Coastal Elite
04-25-2023, 06:07 AM
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.6819% / 0.01681889
57.4 Northern
42.6 Southern

Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.6818% / 0.01681821
25.6 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
24.0 Northern: DEU_MA_Alemannic
16.8 Northern: POL_Weklice
11.2 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
10.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
7.0 Northern:England_Saxon
5.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA


Distance to: Daco_scaled
0.04043270 Northern: DNK_Langeland_VA
0.04327927 Northern:England_Roman
0.04766492 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.04988094 Northern: DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.05393451 Northern:England_Saxon
0.05533043 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.05642478 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.05742392 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.06188595 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.06310070 Northern:England_EMBA
0.06320443 Northern: POL_Weklice
0.07034502 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.08358008 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.10025978 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.10178768 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.12115169 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
MandM
04-25-2023, 07:13 AM
Target: Milenko
Distance: 3.0363% / 0.03036318
57.0 Southern
43.0 Northern
MandM
04-25-2023, 07:14 AM
...
JerryS.
04-25-2023, 02:24 PM
Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.5233% / 0.01523294
81.6 Northern
18.4 Southern

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.5233% / 0.01523294
64.0 Northern:England_Saxon
16.0 Northern: POL_Weklice
9.0 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
5.0 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
4.4 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
1.6 Northern:England_Roman

Not sure but isn't the Iberian southeast Greek colonies? I don't know what my other southern pops show for modern averages
Kiel
04-25-2023, 05:58 PM
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 1.7131% / 0.01713064
71.4 Northern
28.6 Southern



Target: KielGF_scaled
Distance: 2.2347% / 0.02234712
79.4 Northern
20.6 Southern
LaSentinelle
04-25-2023, 08:36 PM
LMAO
Target: Dmitry_scaled
Distance: 2.2835% / 0.02283524
100.0 Northern

Distance to: Dmitry_scaled
0.02678319 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.04690024 Northern:POL_Weklice
0.05309219 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.05919189 Northern:England_Saxon
0.06395771 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.06412829 Northern:England_Roman
0.06517496 Northern:England_EMBA
0.09837912 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.11308213 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.11613173 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.11695677 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.12489282 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.14463992 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.15198864 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.15640509 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.18112770 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
Kenshiro
11-06-2023, 06:52 AM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.7290% / 0.02728970 | ADC: 1x RC
59.4 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
40.6 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.6719% / 0.02671928 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.6 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
40.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
12.0 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.4224% / 0.02422385 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
38.0 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
5.4 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
5.4 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
3.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.3792% / 0.02379233
51.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
26.2 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
9.2 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
6.8 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
6.0 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Protovillanovan are like proto-Italics right?
Eurafricanid
11-07-2023, 08:37 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 1.5837% / 0.01583671
96.2 Southern
3.8 Northern
The_Strategist
11-08-2023, 12:34 PM
Target: Yan_scaled
Distance: 2.5286% / 0.02528621
67.6 Northern
32.4 Southern
Mixdguy17
12-11-2023, 08:42 AM
Distance to: Mixdguy17_scaled
0.12557181 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
0.13227118 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
0.14044725 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.14554508 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.14636968 Southern:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.15299765 Northern:DNK_Langeland_VA
0.15397067 Southern:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.15553217 Southern:ITA_Etruscan
0.15696011 Northern:England_Roman
0.15939514 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.16052629 Northern:DEU_MA_Alemannic
0.16108046 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.16199735 Northern:England_EMBA
0.16516021 Northern:England_Saxon
0.16718824 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.16846194 Northern:POL_Weklice

Target: Mixdguy17_scaled
Distance: 12.1747% / 0.12174686
77.2 Southern:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE
13.8 Northern:England_EMBA
9.0 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
yngviktor
12-11-2023, 10:59 AM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.5342% / 0.01534212
63.6 Northern:HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Imperial
8.8 Southern:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
3.8 Southern:ITA_Proto-Villanovan