How Indian I actually am?

[HerculesGB]

Hello people, I am a Balkan Roma from the Yerli tribe which resides in the southern Balkan and western Anatolia also known as Turkish Roma.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Romani_people

We Roma are a mix of West Asian Indian and Balkan yet I am wondering which ancestry predominates in me, like am I more west Asian or how Indian i actually am or do I even have Balkan admix because those DNA tests give different results. :D

AncestryDNA:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230523/5f00b4398ce8d3b46358f2a0a77d581a.jpg

MyheritageDNA:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230523/67d1f4836b4fc1122d17754277c80aa9.jpg

23andMe:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230523/d40bb1d13ded2a964976335c033fe217.jpg

G25:


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 2.6547% / 0.02654711
39.6 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
29.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
20.6 Armenia_EBA
6.0 Corded_Ware_Baltic
4.0 Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.6 Levant_N




Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 2.7014% / 0.02701405
42.4 Greek_Thessaly
33.6 Chamar
24.0 Iranian_Lor

[thisismyaccount]

You are what dna studies apparently said: 1/3 indian.

Could you perhaps share your g25 coordinates + gedmatch results, like docedad k12b and harappaworld?

[HerculesGB]

You are what dna studies apparently said: 1/3 indian.

Could you perhaps share your g25 coordinates + gedmatch results, like docedad k12b and harappaworld?

Yeah most likely it appears I am about 1/3 Indian yet I am curious about the test of the admix.


RR_scaled,0.091058,0.057885,-0.078818,0.01938,-0.022773,0.015897,-0.00329,0.003923,0.020248,0.02041,-0.000487,-0.001349,0.000892,0.012937,-0.013843,-0.001856,0.011735,0.001774,0.003142,0.007379,-0.002121,-0.003462,-0.001972,-0.003374,-0.000838

[HerculesGB]

You are what dna studies apparently said: 1/3 indian.

Could you perhaps share your g25 coordinates + gedmatch results, like docedad k12b and harappaworld?

Dodecad K12b:


PopulationPercent
1Caucasus25.68
2South_Asian23.7
3Gedrosia15.21
4Atlantic_Med13.55
5Southwest_Asian11.18
6North_European9.41
7Southeast_Asian1.05
8East_Asian0.21

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar)20.35
2Turkmens (Yunusbayev)25.41
3Iranians (Behar)27.07
4Iranian (Dodecad)27.59
5Turkish (Dodecad)28.8
6Turks (Behar)28.96
7Kurd (Dodecad)29.34
8Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)29.55
9Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar)29.72
10Kurds (Yunusbayev)29.89
11Tajiks (Yunusbayev)29.91
12Sephardic_Jews (Behar)30.02
13S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)30.11
14Syrians (Behar)30.17
15Lebanese (Behar)30.2
16Ashkenazi (Dodecad)30.2
17Morocco_Jews (Behar)30.38
18Sicilian (Dodecad)30.88
19Greek (Dodecad)31.87
20Jordanians (Behar)32.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 61.3%Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar)+38.7%Greek (Dodecad)@3.76
2 62.3%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+37.7%Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu)@4.25
3 53.4%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+46.6%Cochin_Jews (Behar)@4.37
4 61.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+38.2%Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu)@4.53
5 59.6%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+40.4%Tharus (Metspalu)@4.57
6 61%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+39%INS30 (SGVP)@4.59
7 52.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+47.2%Cochin_Jews (Behar)@4.59
8 59.1%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+40.9%Tharus (Metspalu)@4.6
9 60.4%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+39.6%INS30 (SGVP)@4.68
10 62.3%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+37.7%Velamas (Metspalu)@4.69
11 63.4%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+36.6%Kurumba (Metspalu)@4.78
12 61.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+38.2%Velamas (Metspalu)@4.78
13 60.8%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+39.2%Muslim (Metspalu)@4.88
14 61.3%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+38.7%Kanjars (Metspalu)@4.92
15 62.7%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+37.3%Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu)@4.94
16 60.3%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+39.7%Muslim (Metspalu)@4.97
17 62.9%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+37.1%Kurumba (Metspalu)@4.99
18 60.2%Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar)+39.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)@4.99
19 60.5%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+39.5%GIH30 (Dodecad)@5.01
20 61%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+39%GIH30 (Dodecad)@5.01



HarappaWorld:




PopulationPercent
1Caucasian25.31
2S-Indian23.49
3Baloch16.35
4Mediterranean12.7
5NE-Euro10.49
6SW-Asian9.36
7SE-Asian1.34
8American0.49
9Papuan0.38
10E-African0.08
11NE-Asian0.01

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1romanian-b (behar)5.34
2bene-israel-jew (behar)18.23
3pashtun (harappa)21.78
4turkmen (yunusbayev)22.99
5turk-aydin (hodoglugil)25.11
6iraqi-arab (harappa)25.85
7tajik (yunusbayev)25.87
8kashmiri (harappa)25.93
9gujarati-muslim (harappa)25.98
10turkish (harappa)25.99
11iranian (behar)26
12iranian (harappa)26.18
13up-muslim (harappa)26.2
14kurd (harappa)26.33
15punjabi-khatri (harappa)26.72
16ashkenazy-jew (behar)27.12
17azeri (harappa)27.22
18turk-istanbul (hodoglugil)27.26
19punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)27.55
20haryana-jatt (harappa)27.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 79.4%romanian-b (behar)+20.6%bene-israel-jew (behar)@2.55
2 87.6%romanian-b (behar)+12.4%cochin-jew (behar)@3.37
3 57.9%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+42.1%ap-hyderabad (harappa)@3.46
4 86.5%romanian-b (behar)+13.5%gujarati-muslim (harappa)@3.5
5 51.4%ashkenazi (harappa)+48.6%cochin-jew (behar)@3.58
6 60.6%bene-israel-jew (behar)+39.4%ashkenazi (harappa)@3.59
7 61.8%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+38.2%tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu)@3.65
8 90.4%romanian-b (behar)+9.6%kerala-christian (harappa)@3.74
9 62.4%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+37.6%kurumba (metspalu)@3.75
10 91.7%romanian-b (behar)+8.3%ap-reddy (harappa)@3.79
11 91%romanian-b (behar)+9%kerala-nair (harappa)@3.79
12 63%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+37%piramalai-kallar (metspalu)@3.79
13 64.2%bene-israel-jew (behar)+35.8%tuscan (1000genomes)@3.79
14 92.2%romanian-b (behar)+7.8%gujarati-a (1000genomes)@3.81
15 92.1%romanian-b (behar)+7.9%velama (metspalu)@3.84
16 92.5%romanian-b (behar)+7.5%gujarati-patel (harappa)@3.85
17 90%romanian-b (behar)+10%sindhi (hgdp)@3.85
18 57.3%ashkenazi (harappa)+42.7%ap-hyderabad (harappa)@3.85
19 91.3%romanian-b (behar)+8.7%tamil (harappa)@3.86
20 61.6%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+38.4%velama (reich)

[thisismyaccount]

Dodecad K12b:


PopulationPercent
1Caucasus25.68
2South_Asian23.7
3Gedrosia15.21
4Atlantic_Med13.55
5Southwest_Asian11.18
6North_European9.41
7Southeast_Asian1.05
8East_Asian0.21

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar)20.35
2Turkmens (Yunusbayev)25.41
3Iranians (Behar)27.07
4Iranian (Dodecad)27.59
5Turkish (Dodecad)28.8
6Turks (Behar)28.96
7Kurd (Dodecad)29.34
8Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)29.55
9Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar)29.72
10Kurds (Yunusbayev)29.89
11Tajiks (Yunusbayev)29.91
12Sephardic_Jews (Behar)30.02
13S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)30.11
14Syrians (Behar)30.17
15Lebanese (Behar)30.2
16Ashkenazi (Dodecad)30.2
17Morocco_Jews (Behar)30.38
18Sicilian (Dodecad)30.88
19Greek (Dodecad)31.87
20Jordanians (Behar)32.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 61.3%Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar)+38.7%Greek (Dodecad)@3.76
2 62.3%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+37.7%Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu)@4.25
3 53.4%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+46.6%Cochin_Jews (Behar)@4.37
4 61.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+38.2%Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu)@4.53
5 59.6%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+40.4%Tharus (Metspalu)@4.57
6 61%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+39%INS30 (SGVP)@4.59
7 52.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+47.2%Cochin_Jews (Behar)@4.59
8 59.1%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+40.9%Tharus (Metspalu)@4.6
9 60.4%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+39.6%INS30 (SGVP)@4.68
10 62.3%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+37.7%Velamas (Metspalu)@4.69
11 63.4%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+36.6%Kurumba (Metspalu)@4.78
12 61.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+38.2%Velamas (Metspalu)@4.78
13 60.8%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+39.2%Muslim (Metspalu)@4.88
14 61.3%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+38.7%Kanjars (Metspalu)@4.92
15 62.7%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+37.3%Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu)@4.94
16 60.3%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+39.7%Muslim (Metspalu)@4.97
17 62.9%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+37.1%Kurumba (Metspalu)@4.99
18 60.2%Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar)+39.8%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)@4.99
19 60.5%Ashkenazi (Dodecad)+39.5%GIH30 (Dodecad)@5.01
20 61%Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)+39%GIH30 (Dodecad)@5.01



HarappaWorld:




PopulationPercent
1Caucasian25.31
2S-Indian23.49
3Baloch16.35
4Mediterranean12.7
5NE-Euro10.49
6SW-Asian9.36
7SE-Asian1.34
8American0.49
9Papuan0.38
10E-African0.08
11NE-Asian0.01

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1romanian-b (behar)5.34
2bene-israel-jew (behar)18.23
3pashtun (harappa)21.78
4turkmen (yunusbayev)22.99
5turk-aydin (hodoglugil)25.11
6iraqi-arab (harappa)25.85
7tajik (yunusbayev)25.87
8kashmiri (harappa)25.93
9gujarati-muslim (harappa)25.98
10turkish (harappa)25.99
11iranian (behar)26
12iranian (harappa)26.18
13up-muslim (harappa)26.2
14kurd (harappa)26.33
15punjabi-khatri (harappa)26.72
16ashkenazy-jew (behar)27.12
17azeri (harappa)27.22
18turk-istanbul (hodoglugil)27.26
19punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa)27.55
20haryana-jatt (harappa)27.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 79.4%romanian-b (behar)+20.6%bene-israel-jew (behar)@2.55
2 87.6%romanian-b (behar)+12.4%cochin-jew (behar)@3.37
3 57.9%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+42.1%ap-hyderabad (harappa)@3.46
4 86.5%romanian-b (behar)+13.5%gujarati-muslim (harappa)@3.5
5 51.4%ashkenazi (harappa)+48.6%cochin-jew (behar)@3.58
6 60.6%bene-israel-jew (behar)+39.4%ashkenazi (harappa)@3.59
7 61.8%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+38.2%tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu)@3.65
8 90.4%romanian-b (behar)+9.6%kerala-christian (harappa)@3.74
9 62.4%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+37.6%kurumba (metspalu)@3.75
10 91.7%romanian-b (behar)+8.3%ap-reddy (harappa)@3.79
11 91%romanian-b (behar)+9%kerala-nair (harappa)@3.79
12 63%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+37%piramalai-kallar (metspalu)@3.79
13 64.2%bene-israel-jew (behar)+35.8%tuscan (1000genomes)@3.79
14 92.2%romanian-b (behar)+7.8%gujarati-a (1000genomes)@3.81
15 92.1%romanian-b (behar)+7.9%velama (metspalu)@3.84
16 92.5%romanian-b (behar)+7.5%gujarati-patel (harappa)@3.85
17 90%romanian-b (behar)+10%sindhi (hgdp)@3.85
18 57.3%ashkenazi (harappa)+42.7%ap-hyderabad (harappa)@3.85
19 91.3%romanian-b (behar)+8.7%tamil (harappa)@3.86
20 61.6%ashkenazy-jew (behar)+38.4%velama (reich)


Are your coordinates combined, myheritage, 23andme or ancestrydna? I rather prefer ancestrydna or all 3 combined? And what about your gedmatch results?

[HerculesGB]

Are your coordinates combined, myheritage, 23andme or ancestrydna? I rather prefer ancestrydna or all 3 combined? And what about your gedmatch results?

It’s only ancestryDNA. The above are some of my gedmatch results. :)


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[Impaler]

Welcome back, bro! :cool:

[thisismyaccount]

It’s only ancestryDNA. The above are some of my gedmatch results. :)


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In case you didnt understand my question, did you use ancestrydna raw dna data for both your coordinates and gedmatch? Are your coordinates from illustrativedna?

[HerculesGB]

Welcome back, bro! :cool:

Glad to be here brother. [emoji41][emoji1320]

[HerculesGB]

In case you didnt understand my question, did you use ancestrydna raw dna data for both your coordinates and gedmatch? Are your coordinates from illustrativedna?

as I said before, only ancestryDNA has been used for my g25 coordinates. They are not from illustrativedna.

[thisismyaccount]

as I said before, only ancestryDNA has been used for my g25 coordinates. They are not from illustrativedna.

I guess it's the same for your gedmatch results too? I assume you got your g25 coordinates months ago

[HerculesGB]

as I said before, only ancestryDNA has been used for my g25 coordinates. They are not from illustrativedna.

Yep I think ancestryDNA raw data is best for these kind of tests. Since a while ago correct. :)


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[thisismyaccount]

Yep I think ancestryDNA raw data is best for these kind of tests. Since I while ago correct. :)


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Ah, good then.

Youre probably 40% indian possibly. Where in Bulgaria are you from? I assume you dont look indian/romani though?

[HerculesGB]

Ah, good then.

Youre probably 40% indian possibly. Where in Bulgaria are you from? I assume you dont look indian/romani though?

From Southwestern Bulgaria (Macedonian part). People say I look Turkish or Levantine although I think there is a Punjabi vibe to my look too :D


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[ph2ter]

Hello people, I am a Balkan Roma from the Yerli tribe which resides in the southern Balkan and western Anatolia also known as Turkish Roma.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Romani_people

We Roma are a mix of West Asian Indian and Balkan yet I am wondering which ancestry predominates in me, like am I more west Asian or how Indian i actually am or do I even have Balkan admix because those DNA tests give different results. :D

[/CODE]

According to my Roman time calculator admix decomposition breakdown with your G25 values you are at least 36% Balkan:

https://i.imgur.com/3pyScDy.png

[ph2ter]

Impaler father with the same calculator:

https://i.imgur.com/gPg2WRW.png

[Mortimer]

Welcome to the Forum. You are more Non-Indian then Indian. You are like 40% Indian.

[Impaler]

So my father scored half Indian of HerculesGB and about the same amount of West Asian. Maybe extra West Asian ancestry or a different tribe of Roma? I am curious how my full Roma ancestor would have scored.

[HerculesGB]

According to my Roman time calculator admix decomposition breakdown with your G25 values you are at least 36% Balkan:

https://i.imgur.com/3pyScDy.png

Thanks for running it. Looks interesting! [emoji106]

[HerculesGB]

So my father scored half Indian of HerculesGB and about the same amount of West Asian. Maybe extra West Asian ancestry or a different tribe of Roma? I am curious how my full Roma ancestor would have scored.

Definitely, different tribe bro. Your dad’s Roma side is was more west Asian shifted. :)

[HerculesGB]

Welcome to the Forum. You are more Non-Indian then Indian. You are like 40% Indian.

Thanks! Yeah more or less 60% Balkan + West Asian and 40% Indian.