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Lemminkäinen
06-08-2023, 04:13 PM
Data, copy-pasted from Eurogenes averages


Danish,0.1312479,0.1350654,0.0663779,0.0524377,0.0 413029,0.0194569,0.0051584,0.0074014,0.0034365,-0.002558,-0.0053588,0.0034802,-0.0085067,-0.0070935,0.0186691,0.0061171,-0.0065193,0.0020474,0.0032402,0.0043462,0.0056397, 0.0024349,0.0006923,0.013774,0.0002011
Saami,0.1112621,-0.0302122,0.111722,0.079781,-0.0093286,0.008297,0.0081371,0.0138599,0.0029656,-0.0320964,0.0222877,-0.0074746,0.0180716,-0.0198263,-0.0040038,0.0026933,0.0011571,-0.0014886,-0.0059862,0.0044944,0.0158158,0.0013447,-0.0025649,0.0026584,0.0003442
Finnish:East,0.1258559,0.0787761,0.0943877,0.08384 16,0.0273896,0.0208769,0.0075537,0.0139443,0.00458 71,-0.0305897,0.0073771,-0.0079001,0.0162253,0.0020837,-0.0040716,0.0089024,0.0110083,-0.001647,-0.0013649,0.0060207,0.0097506,0.0011304,0.0011973, 0.0080043,0.0020699
Finnish:Southeast,0.1320347,0.0907204,0.0884559,0. 077197,0.0332711,0.0210717,0.009139,0.0140503,0.00 28179,-0.0218277,0.0031036,-0.0058616,0.011513,0.0029819,0.0017644,0.0127138,0 .012821,-0.0009854,-0.0015084,0.0082539,0.0081106,-0.0007694,0.0020541,0.0087963,-0.0009712
Finnish:Southwest,0.1313235,0.0968561,0.0863135,0. 0721098,0.0337369,0.0229738,0.0085484,0.0140472,0. 0044739,-0.0208888,0.0038974,-0.0058071,0.0114654,0.0085844,0.0052931,-0.0085686,-0.0201118,0.0014411,0.0015869,-0.0002189,0.006863,0.0005256,0.0027731,0.0051211,0 .0039069
Swedish,0.1321925,0.1258855,0.0726424,0.0589715,0. 0402633,0.0207898,0.00638,0.0092943,0.003649,-0.0066633,-0.0042028,0.0005326,-0.0030453,-0.003352,0.0145933,0.0058655,-0.0051057,0.0016219,0.0029907,0.0050148,0.0067727, 0.0025256,0.0012532,0.011594,0.0002122
German_Hamburg,0.1282853,0.1339901,0.0634672,0.048 526,0.0400617,0.0203755,0.0075618,0.0091083,0.0029 597,-0.0035589,-0.0038782,8.82e-05,-0.0025097,0.0007529,0.0094365,0.0032679,-0.0045558,0.0025562,0.0039926,0.0006842,0.0017395, 0.0015566,0.0027185,0.0073504,-0.0010354
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
Icelandic,0.1326987,0.1336267,0.067819,0.0563097,0 .0393663,0.0229619,0.0033488,0.0085188,0.0026418,6 .07e-05,-0.0054806,0.0051702,-0.0063675,-0.0090831,0.0230725,0.0052924,-0.0116909,0.0019109,0.0017389,0.0038873,0.0092545, 0.0028028,-0.0008422,0.0140179,0.0008282
Russian:Belgorod,0.1354493,0.1221175,0.0695788,0.0 566865,0.036853,0.019801,0.0119855,0.014134,-0.0043972,-0.0216862,-0.0020298,-0.0103035,0.0196975,0.0212972,-0.0130293,-0.0028838,0.005574,0.001077,0.0036138,0.0024075,-0.0037748,-0.0059045,0.005423,-0.006989,0.0009878
Russian:Kaluga,0.1320348,0.1180555,0.0774042,0.066 215,0.03593,0.0239147,0.0060512,0.0136722,-0.0048065,-0.0235995,0.0009335,-0.011315,0.0194002,0.0254258,-0.0118078,-0.0046408,0.0013365,-0.003579,0.0006282,0.0054715,0.0003745,-0.001762,-0.0002465,-0.0061755,0.0006885
Russian:Kostroma,0.1282407,0.0873355,0.0814582,0.0 680453,0.027441,0.0215208,0.0119073,0.0129993,-0.0033747,-0.0299475,0.0042222,-0.0074932,0.017963,0.0123402,-0.0091383,-0.0039112,0.0009127,-0.0016258,-0.0017597,0.0004792,6.23e-05,-0.0014427,0.0035947,-0.0006025,-0.0020557
Russian:Krasnoborsky,0.1278613,0.0766725,0.082715, 0.0710062,0.0243633,0.0218465,0.0090872,0.0159993, 0.0030337,-0.0290667,0.006333,-0.0108155,0.0194498,0.0119503,-0.0074643,-0.0025857,-0.000261,-0.0014357,-0.0008798,0.003731,0.002163,-0.001896,0.0023828,-0.0007228,-0.0005588
Russian:Kursk,0.1308964,0.1157701,0.0710872,0.0648 019,0.0341601,0.023113,0.0103991,0.0121438,-0.0032469,-0.0255587,-0.0018066,-0.0080179,0.0183225,0.0206778,-0.0127748,0.0012101,0.0016136,-0.0008869,0.0023096,0.0012817,-0.002558,-0.0040188,0.0051146,-0.0058141,-0.0017214
Russian:Leshukonsky,0.1197416,0.043668,0.0909616,0 .0796518,0.0096016,0.0161198,0.0137718,0.013753,-0.0021272,-0.035281,0.0133808,-0.0096814,0.0198906,0.00311,-0.0093374,-0.002148,-0.0002346,-0.0050168,-0.0058074,0.0004754,0.0026202,-0.0010884,-0.0002218,0.002193,0.0010298
Russian:Orel,0.1305861,0.1167859,0.0711387,0.06081 21,0.0334886,0.0224127,0.0091653,0.0130274,-0.0047971,-0.0251321,-0.0017864,-0.0078475,0.0156365,0.0247095,-0.0115855,-0.0034354,-0.0003911,-0.0011862,0.0027882,0.0011938,-0.0037547,-0.0044065,0.0074172,-0.0055976,-0.0009906
Russian:Pinega,0.1248257,0.0636397,0.0945317,0.077 52,0.02185,0.023241,0.0118287,0.0146147,0.0013637,-0.0311623,0.007091,-0.0119397,0.0239343,0.011331,-0.0102243,-0.0037567,-0.0039987,-0.0022803,-0.0051957,-0.001042,0.0076117,-0.0001233,0.0019717,-0.0024097,0.0020753
Russian:Pinezhsky,0.1240672,0.0625564,0.0922436,0. 0802332,0.0189572,0.0216418,0.0082252,0.0146762,9e-04,-0.0323286,0.0090614,-0.016785,0.0205152,0.00567,-0.011645,-0.0029966,0.0019298,-0.0025084,0.0007794,0.005903,0.0083604,0.0008656,-0.0001972,0.0022172,0.0052926
Russian:Pskov,0.1299207,0.1192521,0.0805959,0.0747 053,0.0381609,0.0255783,0.0118847,0.0148676,0.0002 339,-0.0294961,4.64e-05,-0.013124,0.0191347,0.02605,-0.0072126,0.000322,0.0057743,-0.0042713,0.0001974,0.003162,-0.0022817,-0.0041336,0.0043666,-0.008366,0.0016421
Russian:Ryazan,0.1277666,0.1100158,0.0704272,0.064 0886,0.0300312,0.0225669,0.0105558,0.0115188,-0.0036304,-0.02322,0.0002164,-0.0085049,0.0161296,0.0211138,-0.0127125,-0.0020661,0.0063562,-0.0022276,0.0009218,-0.0003544,-0.0054591,-0.0031635,0.0050017,-0.0023998,-6.98e-05
Russian:Smolensk,0.1321866,0.1242332,0.0715021,0.0 654613,0.0393098,0.0252119,0.0112963,0.0128609,-0.0008043,-0.0248328,-0.0043845,-0.0082727,0.0169473,0.0282951,-0.0114004,-0.0060019,-0.0011734,-0.0019847,0.0029749,0.001951,-0.0025871,-0.0048471,0.0049217,-0.0059365,0.0017243
Russian:Tver,0.1296159,0.105869,0.0766026,0.067224 4,0.0324289,0.0251699,0.009312,0.0125765,-0.0042438,-0.0264926,0.0009541,-0.0096478,0.0168171,0.0219511,-0.010162,0.0018729,0.0061605,-0.000206,-0.0001885,0.0021885,-0.0032286,-0.0048379,0.0087042,-0.0032685,-0.002305
Russian:Voronez,0.1308965,0.1216098,0.0735385,0.06 08855,0.0360838,0.0225205,0.009694,0.011711,-0.0024542,-0.0240098,0.0008118,-0.0079052,0.017282,0.024359,-0.0136402,-0.0037125,0.0012385,0.0011085,0.0028285,0.0034392,-0.0023708,-0.0032148,0.0023725,-0.0050305,-0.0019758
Russian:Yaroslavl,0.1308963,0.1056153,0.0817097,0. 0732133,0.0315953,0.0195223,0.0108887,0.0069997,-0.001159,-0.027457,-0.0004327,-0.0091417,0.016303,0.021882,-0.014115,-0.0017233,0.0043463,-0.0002113,0.0005447,0.0042103,-0.0065713,-0.0039567,-0.000986,-0.0014057,0.0025547
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Polish:Kashubian",0.1354495,0.1330345,0.0765555,0.063308,0.046624,0 .0224505,0.007638,0.012576,-0.002045,-0.024693,-0.0034915,-0.003597,0.0115955,0.020987,-0.0027145,-0.007491,-0.012191,-0.0012035,0.0064105,-0.0008755,-0.0015595,-0.006059,0.005176,0.000542,-0.000958
Polish:Silesian",0.1314655,0.1304955,0.0705215,0.0499035,0.0375455 ,0.019383,0.0045825,0.0130375,0.000307,-0.014943,-0.001705,-0.0006745,0.0021555,0.0147945,-0.0070575,-0.0025855,0.010887,0,-0.0017595,0.002126,-0.00156,-0.002349,0.004252,0.007049,-0.000479
Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0.0695957 ,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946

Result with SW Finns

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.1908% / 0.01190832
46.2 Finnish
22.6 Russian
18.4 Polish
10.8 Icelandic
2.0 Saami

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.1910% / 0.01190986
25.0 Finnish:Southeast
21.2 Finnish:Southwest
18.8 Polish:Kashubian
18.6 Russian:Kostroma
10.8 Icelandic
2.2 Russian:Leshukonsky
1.8 Russian:Yaroslavl
1.6 Saami


Result without SWFinns
Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.2331% / 0.01233068
41.4 Polish
24.2 Finnish
14.8 Russian
14.2 Icelandic
5.4 Saami

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.2331% / 0.01233096
42.0 Polish:Kashubian
24.2 Finnish:Southeast
14.0 Icelandic
13.0 Russian:Leshukonsky
5.8 Saami
0.6 Russian:Kostroma
0.4 Russian:Krasnoborsky

Distances
Distance to: maurim1_scaled
0.02394646 Finnish:Southwest
0.02799782 Russian:Kostroma
0.03022829 Finnish:Southeast
0.03105514 Russian:Tver
0.03175776 Russian:Yaroslavl
0.03491103 Russian:Ryazan
0.03511328 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.03546384 Russian:Kursk
0.03801529 Russian:Orel
0.03877424 Russian:Kaluga
0.03974474 Russian:Pskov
0.04028611 Russian:Voronez
0.04163622 Belarusian
0.04172581 Finnish:East
0.04217031 Polish
0.04263633 Russian:Smolensk
0.04331014 Polish:Kashubian
0.04388015 Russian:Belgorod
0.04437185 Swedish
0.04780059 Polish:Silesian
0.05150734 Russian:Pinega
0.05413278 Russian:Pinezhsky
0.05422661 German_Hamburg
0.05942163 Danish
0.05992583 Icelandic
cass
06-08-2023, 05:18 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 0.9227% / 0.00922702
42.4 German_Hamburg
31.8 Polish
20.6 Russian:Smolensk
4.0 Icelandic
1.2 English


It looks weird
Lemminkäinen
06-08-2023, 07:23 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 0.9227% / 0.00922702
42.4 German_Hamburg
31.8 Polish
20.6 Russian:Smolensk
4.0 Icelandic
1.2 English


It looks weird

Can't help, these are original Eurogenes averages. If I take three Finnish averages, Russians, Swedes, Poles, North Germans and Englismen I suppose to get Finnish and minor foreign admixtures, but as you see the Finnish best distance is 2.3% and the admixture result 1.2%. I suggest that your Polish distance is worse than 0.9%. Maybe averages are not a good idea.
LaSentinelle
06-08-2023, 07:27 PM
Data, copy-pasted from Eurogenes averages


Danish,0.1312479,0.1350654,0.0663779,0.0524377,0.0 413029,0.0194569,0.0051584,0.0074014,0.0034365,-0.002558,-0.0053588,0.0034802,-0.0085067,-0.0070935,0.0186691,0.0061171,-0.0065193,0.0020474,0.0032402,0.0043462,0.0056397, 0.0024349,0.0006923,0.013774,0.0002011
Saami,0.1112621,-0.0302122,0.111722,0.079781,-0.0093286,0.008297,0.0081371,0.0138599,0.0029656,-0.0320964,0.0222877,-0.0074746,0.0180716,-0.0198263,-0.0040038,0.0026933,0.0011571,-0.0014886,-0.0059862,0.0044944,0.0158158,0.0013447,-0.0025649,0.0026584,0.0003442
Finnish:East,0.1258559,0.0787761,0.0943877,0.08384 16,0.0273896,0.0208769,0.0075537,0.0139443,0.00458 71,-0.0305897,0.0073771,-0.0079001,0.0162253,0.0020837,-0.0040716,0.0089024,0.0110083,-0.001647,-0.0013649,0.0060207,0.0097506,0.0011304,0.0011973, 0.0080043,0.0020699
Finnish:Southeast,0.1320347,0.0907204,0.0884559,0. 077197,0.0332711,0.0210717,0.009139,0.0140503,0.00 28179,-0.0218277,0.0031036,-0.0058616,0.011513,0.0029819,0.0017644,0.0127138,0 .012821,-0.0009854,-0.0015084,0.0082539,0.0081106,-0.0007694,0.0020541,0.0087963,-0.0009712
Finnish:Southwest,0.1313235,0.0968561,0.0863135,0. 0721098,0.0337369,0.0229738,0.0085484,0.0140472,0. 0044739,-0.0208888,0.0038974,-0.0058071,0.0114654,0.0085844,0.0052931,-0.0085686,-0.0201118,0.0014411,0.0015869,-0.0002189,0.006863,0.0005256,0.0027731,0.0051211,0 .0039069
Swedish,0.1321925,0.1258855,0.0726424,0.0589715,0. 0402633,0.0207898,0.00638,0.0092943,0.003649,-0.0066633,-0.0042028,0.0005326,-0.0030453,-0.003352,0.0145933,0.0058655,-0.0051057,0.0016219,0.0029907,0.0050148,0.0067727, 0.0025256,0.0012532,0.011594,0.0002122
German_Hamburg,0.1282853,0.1339901,0.0634672,0.048 526,0.0400617,0.0203755,0.0075618,0.0091083,0.0029 597,-0.0035589,-0.0038782,8.82e-05,-0.0025097,0.0007529,0.0094365,0.0032679,-0.0045558,0.0025562,0.0039926,0.0006842,0.0017395, 0.0015566,0.0027185,0.0073504,-0.0010354
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
Icelandic,0.1326987,0.1336267,0.067819,0.0563097,0 .0393663,0.0229619,0.0033488,0.0085188,0.0026418,6 .07e-05,-0.0054806,0.0051702,-0.0063675,-0.0090831,0.0230725,0.0052924,-0.0116909,0.0019109,0.0017389,0.0038873,0.0092545, 0.0028028,-0.0008422,0.0140179,0.0008282
Russian:Belgorod,0.1354493,0.1221175,0.0695788,0.0 566865,0.036853,0.019801,0.0119855,0.014134,-0.0043972,-0.0216862,-0.0020298,-0.0103035,0.0196975,0.0212972,-0.0130293,-0.0028838,0.005574,0.001077,0.0036138,0.0024075,-0.0037748,-0.0059045,0.005423,-0.006989,0.0009878
Russian:Kaluga,0.1320348,0.1180555,0.0774042,0.066 215,0.03593,0.0239147,0.0060512,0.0136722,-0.0048065,-0.0235995,0.0009335,-0.011315,0.0194002,0.0254258,-0.0118078,-0.0046408,0.0013365,-0.003579,0.0006282,0.0054715,0.0003745,-0.001762,-0.0002465,-0.0061755,0.0006885
Russian:Kostroma,0.1282407,0.0873355,0.0814582,0.0 680453,0.027441,0.0215208,0.0119073,0.0129993,-0.0033747,-0.0299475,0.0042222,-0.0074932,0.017963,0.0123402,-0.0091383,-0.0039112,0.0009127,-0.0016258,-0.0017597,0.0004792,6.23e-05,-0.0014427,0.0035947,-0.0006025,-0.0020557
Russian:Krasnoborsky,0.1278613,0.0766725,0.082715, 0.0710062,0.0243633,0.0218465,0.0090872,0.0159993, 0.0030337,-0.0290667,0.006333,-0.0108155,0.0194498,0.0119503,-0.0074643,-0.0025857,-0.000261,-0.0014357,-0.0008798,0.003731,0.002163,-0.001896,0.0023828,-0.0007228,-0.0005588
Russian:Kursk,0.1308964,0.1157701,0.0710872,0.0648 019,0.0341601,0.023113,0.0103991,0.0121438,-0.0032469,-0.0255587,-0.0018066,-0.0080179,0.0183225,0.0206778,-0.0127748,0.0012101,0.0016136,-0.0008869,0.0023096,0.0012817,-0.002558,-0.0040188,0.0051146,-0.0058141,-0.0017214
Russian:Leshukonsky,0.1197416,0.043668,0.0909616,0 .0796518,0.0096016,0.0161198,0.0137718,0.013753,-0.0021272,-0.035281,0.0133808,-0.0096814,0.0198906,0.00311,-0.0093374,-0.002148,-0.0002346,-0.0050168,-0.0058074,0.0004754,0.0026202,-0.0010884,-0.0002218,0.002193,0.0010298
Russian:Orel,0.1305861,0.1167859,0.0711387,0.06081 21,0.0334886,0.0224127,0.0091653,0.0130274,-0.0047971,-0.0251321,-0.0017864,-0.0078475,0.0156365,0.0247095,-0.0115855,-0.0034354,-0.0003911,-0.0011862,0.0027882,0.0011938,-0.0037547,-0.0044065,0.0074172,-0.0055976,-0.0009906
Russian:Pinega,0.1248257,0.0636397,0.0945317,0.077 52,0.02185,0.023241,0.0118287,0.0146147,0.0013637,-0.0311623,0.007091,-0.0119397,0.0239343,0.011331,-0.0102243,-0.0037567,-0.0039987,-0.0022803,-0.0051957,-0.001042,0.0076117,-0.0001233,0.0019717,-0.0024097,0.0020753
Russian:Pinezhsky,0.1240672,0.0625564,0.0922436,0. 0802332,0.0189572,0.0216418,0.0082252,0.0146762,9e-04,-0.0323286,0.0090614,-0.016785,0.0205152,0.00567,-0.011645,-0.0029966,0.0019298,-0.0025084,0.0007794,0.005903,0.0083604,0.0008656,-0.0001972,0.0022172,0.0052926
Russian:Pskov,0.1299207,0.1192521,0.0805959,0.0747 053,0.0381609,0.0255783,0.0118847,0.0148676,0.0002 339,-0.0294961,4.64e-05,-0.013124,0.0191347,0.02605,-0.0072126,0.000322,0.0057743,-0.0042713,0.0001974,0.003162,-0.0022817,-0.0041336,0.0043666,-0.008366,0.0016421
Russian:Ryazan,0.1277666,0.1100158,0.0704272,0.064 0886,0.0300312,0.0225669,0.0105558,0.0115188,-0.0036304,-0.02322,0.0002164,-0.0085049,0.0161296,0.0211138,-0.0127125,-0.0020661,0.0063562,-0.0022276,0.0009218,-0.0003544,-0.0054591,-0.0031635,0.0050017,-0.0023998,-6.98e-05
Russian:Smolensk,0.1321866,0.1242332,0.0715021,0.0 654613,0.0393098,0.0252119,0.0112963,0.0128609,-0.0008043,-0.0248328,-0.0043845,-0.0082727,0.0169473,0.0282951,-0.0114004,-0.0060019,-0.0011734,-0.0019847,0.0029749,0.001951,-0.0025871,-0.0048471,0.0049217,-0.0059365,0.0017243
Russian:Tver,0.1296159,0.105869,0.0766026,0.067224 4,0.0324289,0.0251699,0.009312,0.0125765,-0.0042438,-0.0264926,0.0009541,-0.0096478,0.0168171,0.0219511,-0.010162,0.0018729,0.0061605,-0.000206,-0.0001885,0.0021885,-0.0032286,-0.0048379,0.0087042,-0.0032685,-0.002305
Russian:Voronez,0.1308965,0.1216098,0.0735385,0.06 08855,0.0360838,0.0225205,0.009694,0.011711,-0.0024542,-0.0240098,0.0008118,-0.0079052,0.017282,0.024359,-0.0136402,-0.0037125,0.0012385,0.0011085,0.0028285,0.0034392,-0.0023708,-0.0032148,0.0023725,-0.0050305,-0.0019758
Russian:Yaroslavl,0.1308963,0.1056153,0.0817097,0. 0732133,0.0315953,0.0195223,0.0108887,0.0069997,-0.001159,-0.027457,-0.0004327,-0.0091417,0.016303,0.021882,-0.014115,-0.0017233,0.0043463,-0.0002113,0.0005447,0.0042103,-0.0065713,-0.0039567,-0.000986,-0.0014057,0.0025547
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05
Polish:Kashubian",0.1354495,0.1330345,0.0765555,0.063308,0.046624,0 .0224505,0.007638,0.012576,-0.002045,-0.024693,-0.0034915,-0.003597,0.0115955,0.020987,-0.0027145,-0.007491,-0.012191,-0.0012035,0.0064105,-0.0008755,-0.0015595,-0.006059,0.005176,0.000542,-0.000958
Polish:Silesian",0.1314655,0.1304955,0.0705215,0.0499035,0.0375455 ,0.019383,0.0045825,0.0130375,0.000307,-0.014943,-0.001705,-0.0006745,0.0021555,0.0147945,-0.0070575,-0.0025855,0.010887,0,-0.0017595,0.002126,-0.00156,-0.002349,0.004252,0.007049,-0.000479
Belarusian,0.1322625,0.1236239,0.0750219,0.0695957 ,0.0402331,0.0265691,0.0107321,0.0133226,-0.0002727,-0.0246017,-0.0026957,-0.0092119,0.0193259,0.0272309,-0.0112647,-0.0038009,-0.0009647,0.0003717,0.0041397,-0.0010504,-0.0042342,-0.0046081,0.0077235,-0.0068601,0.0006946

Result with SW Finns

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.1908% / 0.01190832
46.2 Finnish
22.6 Russian
18.4 Polish
10.8 Icelandic
2.0 Saami

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.1910% / 0.01190986
25.0 Finnish:Southeast
21.2 Finnish:Southwest
18.8 Polish:Kashubian
18.6 Russian:Kostroma
10.8 Icelandic
2.2 Russian:Leshukonsky
1.8 Russian:Yaroslavl
1.6 Saami


Result without SWFinns
Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.2331% / 0.01233068
41.4 Polish
24.2 Finnish
14.8 Russian
14.2 Icelandic
5.4 Saami

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.2331% / 0.01233096
42.0 Polish:Kashubian
24.2 Finnish:Southeast
14.0 Icelandic
13.0 Russian:Leshukonsky
5.8 Saami
0.6 Russian:Kostroma
0.4 Russian:Krasnoborsky

Distances
Distance to: maurim1_scaled
0.02394646 Finnish:Southwest
0.02799782 Russian:Kostroma
0.03022829 Finnish:Southeast
0.03105514 Russian:Tver
0.03175776 Russian:Yaroslavl
0.03491103 Russian:Ryazan
0.03511328 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.03546384 Russian:Kursk
0.03801529 Russian:Orel
0.03877424 Russian:Kaluga
0.03974474 Russian:Pskov
0.04028611 Russian:Voronez
0.04163622 Belarusian
0.04172581 Finnish:East
0.04217031 Polish
0.04263633 Russian:Smolensk
0.04331014 Polish:Kashubian
0.04388015 Russian:Belgorod
0.04437185 Swedish
0.04780059 Polish:Silesian
0.05150734 Russian:Pinega
0.05413278 Russian:Pinezhsky
0.05422661 German_Hamburg
0.05942163 Danish
0.05992583 Icelandic

Yes. Apparently we(Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and Southwestern Finns) are very similar. I get a lot of 'Southwest Finnish' every calculator they're present in.
Gallop
06-08-2023, 07:34 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 7.4771% / 0.07477139
100.0 English

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 7.7536% / 0.07753611
100.0 English


Distance to: Father_scaled
0.07753611 English
0.08251297 German_Hamburg
0.08685954 Danish
0.09188367 Icelandic
0.09578324 Polish:Silesian
0.09608701 Swedish
0.10565074 Polish
0.11409330 Russian:Belgorod
0.11573199 Polish:Kashubian
0.11646446 Russian:Voronez
0.11780811 Russian:Orel
0.11934130 Russian:Ryazan
0.11960767 Russian:Kursk
0.12047708 Russian:Smolensk
0.12312458 Russian:Kaluga
0.12403296 Belarusian
0.12577032 Russian:Tver
0.12863416 Finnish:Southwest
0.12986059 Russian:Pskov
0.13010938 Russian:Yaroslavl
0.13324711 Finnish:Southeast
0.13342768 Russian:Kostroma
0.14021119 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.14796211 Finnish:East
0.15592918 Russian:Pinega

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.07477139 English
0.08289807 German_Hamburg
0.08546099 Danish
0.08994037 Icelandic
0.09556303 Swedish
0.09956737 Polish:Silesian
0.10899741 Polish
0.11779144 Polish:Kashubian
0.11789660 Russian:Belgorod
0.12029653 Russian:Voronez
0.12112049 Russian:Orel
0.12302626 Russian:Ryazan
0.12315729 Russian:Kursk
0.12355955 Russian:Smolensk
0.12654028 Russian:Kaluga
0.12747133 Belarusian
0.12867963 Finnish:Southwest
0.12950467 Russian:Tver
0.13328291 Russian:Pskov
0.13392985 Russian:Yaroslavl
0.13544315 Finnish:Southeast
0.13591017 Russian:Kostroma
0.14198876 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.15021251 Finnish:East
0.15817113 Russian:Pinega
Lemminkäinen
06-08-2023, 07:41 PM
Yes. Apparently we(Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and Southwestern Finns) are very similar. I get a lot of 'Southwest Finnish' every calculator they're present in.

I have found it like Southwest Finns are Balto-Slavs with minor Siberian and Germanic admixtures. Iron Age Gotlanders had similar Balto-Slavic influence. Looks like the Baltic Sea was a Balto-Slavic sea before the Hansa.
Demirkazık
06-08-2023, 07:59 PM
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 14.3792% / 0.14379228
57.6 English
29.4 Saami
13.0 Russian:Ryazan

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 4.7171% / 0.04717063
68.2 Greek_Cappadocia
31.8 Saami
cass
06-08-2023, 08:24 PM
I have found it like Southwest Finns are Balto-Slavs with minor Siberian and Germanic admixtures. Iron Age Gotlanders had similar Balto-Slavic influence. Looks like the Baltic Sea was a Balto-Slavic sea before the Hansa.


Vikiging Gotland was ethnically diverse indeed. Do you have Iron Age samples from Gotland?
https://i.ibb.co/fqLgk7g/Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-3.png (https://ibb.co/zQDMXwM)
Lemminkäinen
06-08-2023, 08:28 PM
Tomorrow I try to use individual samples and let the Vahaduo make the composition. It should work better if the variation in populations is large.
Lemminkäinen
06-08-2023, 08:30 PM
Vikiging Gotland was ethnically diverse indeed. Do you have Iron Age samples from Gotland?
https://i.ibb.co/fqLgk7g/Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-3.png (https://ibb.co/zQDMXwM)

I meant Viking Age. It is considered in the north to belong to the Iron Age.
gixajo
06-08-2023, 08:39 PM
Typical English family results.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 6.7933% / 0.06793278
100.0 English

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 8.3215% / 0.08321504
100.0 English

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.9765% / 0.05976522
100.0 English

Target: gixajo_enana
Distance: 6.7748% / 0.06774772
100.0 English

So I need a pair of Castilian references.



Castilla:Center&South,0.111641,0.14594,0.040415,-0.002692,0.042944,-0.001476,-0.001714,0.003173,0.026537,0.03158,-0.002219,0.008268,-0.013683,-0.012202,0.01127,-0.003801,-0.006405,-0.000961,-0.002325,-0.00149,0.002875,0.000288,0.000134,-0.003228,-0.001916
Castilla:North,0.120037,0.147707,0.047677,0.004222 ,0.048526,-0.00205,-0.00096,0.002244,0.025195,0.035091,-0.005844,0.009306,-0.018045,-0.014402,0.01068,0.001457,-0.004626,0.00011,-0.003112,-0.002901,0.00608,-0.000515,-0.004788,-0.00345,0.000204


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6486% / 0.01648632
96.8 Castilla
3.2 Polish

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.2046% / 0.02204591
100.0 Castilla

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7247% / 0.01724740
88.0 Castilla
11.8 Icelandic
0.2 Polish

Target: gixajo_enana
Distance: 1.4035% / 0.01403467
99.2 Castilla
0.8 Polish
ScandinavianCelt
06-09-2023, 01:43 AM
Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 2.0586% / 0.02058613 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Danish

Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 2.0070% / 0.02007003 | ADC: 1x RC
71.8 Danish
28.2 English

Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 1.8148% / 0.01814840 | ADC: 0.5x RC
79.0 English
13.0 Finnish:East
5.0 German_Hamburg
3.0 Danish

Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 1.7718% / 0.01771760 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.4 English
27.8 Danish
9.4 Polish:Silesian
4.4 Saami

Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 1.7718% / 0.01771760

59.2 English
26.8 Danish
9.4 Polish:Silesian
4.6 Saami

----------------------------------------
BETTER FIT: K13 SIMS

Target: BRAD.K13.2ND.SIMS
Distance: 1.3938% / 0.01393823 | ADC: 2x RC

52.6 German_Hamburg
47.4 Danish

Target: BRAD.K13.2ND.SIMS
Distance: 1.3035% / 0.01303536 | ADC: 1x RC

57.2 German_Hamburg
30.8 English
12.0 Danish

Target: BRAD.K13.2ND.SIMS
Distance: 1.3035% / 0.01303536 | ADC: 0.5x RC

57.2 German_Hamburg
30.8 English
12.0 Danish

Target: BRAD.K13.2ND.SIMS
Distance: 1.1414% / 0.01141411 | ADC: 0.25x RC

73.6 English
15.6 Polish
9.8 Russian:Kursk
1.0 Icelandic

Target: BRAD.K13.2ND.SIMS
Distance: 1.1414% / 0.01141411

73.6 English
15.6 Polish
9.8 Russian:Kursk
1.0 Icelandic
Lemminkäinen
06-09-2023, 02:00 PM
Now I used individuals of same populations. Maybe there is an outlier effect, but I can't say if it distorts more averages (in my previous test) or this test leaving the grouping for Vahaduo.

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 0.5646% / 0.00564551
25.4 Finnish
20.0 Swedish
15.6 Russian
13.2 Polish
10.0 Belarusian
9.0 Saami
6.8 Danish

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 0.5643% / 0.00564347
16.4 Finnish:Southeast
16.2 Swedish
9.4 Saami
8.6 Finnish:Southwest
7.6 Polish
7.4 Belarusian
6.6 Russian:Kursk
5.0 Russian:Kostroma
4.2 Danish
3.6 Polish
3.4 Russian:Leshukonsky
3.2 Belarusian
2.2 Danish
2.2 Swedish
1.4 Polish
1.4 Swedish
1.2 Swedish


Distance to: maurim1_scaled
0.02439938 Finnish:Southwest
0.02820913 Finnish:Southwest
0.02821315 Russian:Tver
0.02869916 Finnish:Southwest
0.02882371 Russian:Kostroma
0.02887101 Finnish:Southwest
0.02935751 Swedish
0.02946507 Finnish:Southwest
0.03007436 Finnish:Southwest
0.03022534 Finnish:Southeast
0.03064298 Finnish:Southwest
0.03077382 Russian:Kostroma
0.03077963 Finnish:Southeast
0.03234052 Finnish:Southeast
0.03237659 Finnish:Southeast
0.03261424 Finnish:Southeast
0.03369208 Russian:Tver
0.03378350 Russian:Kostroma
0.03443602 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.03449721 Russian:Tver
0.03502789 Russian:Ryazan
0.03522803 Russian:Kostroma
0.03537846 Finnish:Southwest
0.03547938 Finnish:Southeast
0.03575412 Finnish:Southeast
Katarzyna
06-09-2023, 03:22 PM
Distance to: Katarzyna_scaled
0.01386514 Polish
0.01481003 Russian:Smolensk
0.01579365 Russian:Voronez
0.01643344 Belarusian
0.01717791 Russian:Belgorod
0.01850099 Russian:Orel
0.01881672 Russian:Kursk
0.02204909 Russian:Kaluga
0.02401362 Russian:Pskov
0.02408228 Russian:Ryazan
0.02682329 Russian:Tver
0.02744301 Polish:Kashubian
0.02899860 Polish:Silesian
0.03181746 Russian:Yaroslavl
0.04923837 German_Hamburg
0.04942959 Russian:Kostroma
0.05228424 Swedish
0.05466141 Finnish:Southwest
0.05641737 Finnish:Southeast
0.06033309 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.06257492 Danish
0.06743037 Icelandic
0.06978388 Finnish:East
0.07418041 English
0.07825925 Russian:Pinega


Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 0.0099% / 0.00985946
43.1 Polish
36.8 Belarusian
20.1 Russian

Nothing Finnish in me hehe. But therefore (Bela)russki af haha
cass
06-09-2023, 05:50 PM
Distance to: Katarzyna_scaled
0.01386514 Polish
0.01481003 Russian:Smolensk
0.01579365 Russian:Voronez
0.01643344 Belarusian
0.01717791 Russian:Belgorod
0.01850099 Russian:Orel
0.01881672 Russian:Kursk
0.02204909 Russian:Kaluga
0.02401362 Russian:Pskov
0.02408228 Russian:Ryazan
0.02682329 Russian:Tver
0.02744301 Polish:Kashubian
0.02899860 Polish:Silesian
0.03181746 Russian:Yaroslavl
0.04923837 German_Hamburg
0.04942959 Russian:Kostroma
0.05228424 Swedish
0.05466141 Finnish:Southwest
0.05641737 Finnish:Southeast
0.06033309 Russian:Krasnoborsky
0.06257492 Danish
0.06743037 Icelandic
0.06978388 Finnish:East
0.07418041 English
0.07825925 Russian:Pinega


Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 0.0099% / 0.00985946
43.1 Polish
36.8 Belarusian
20.1 Russian

Nothing Finnish in me hehe. But therefore (Bela)russki af haha

There is a big overlap between Poles, Belorussians and many Russian gruops.
https://i.ibb.co/ByJyrby/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-14.png (https://ibb.co/dPvPLFP)



This is an illusory proximity to mentioned groups due to the wider range of the Polish genome.
https://i.ibb.co/9TL0ZKf/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-16.png (https://ibb.co/1q5Nzyp)
rothaer
06-09-2023, 07:35 PM
[G25 cslculator shows: Southwest Finns can be substituted by Kashubian Poles and North Russians] I have found it like Southwest Finns are Balto-Slavs with minor Siberian and Germanic admixtures. Iron Age Gotlanders had similar Balto-Slavic influence. Looks like the Baltic Sea was a Balto-Slavic sea before the Hansa.

Except for that IA Gotland had a true Balto-Slavic input, all these findings are not real but the result of a deficiency in distinguishing capability. All Eurogenes calculators including G25, except for K36, can not distinguish between a continantal Germanc-Slavic mixture and Swedish with some Finnish.

In G25 my Northern German and fully haling from Western Mecklenburg wife, that has 71% Germanic and 29% proto Slavic gets predominantly Sweden. And I as an Eastern German do get Northern Sweden and SW Finland at low distances in some Eurogenes calculators. Here are the closest modern individuals in G25 to me and my wife:

Distance to: rothaer_scaled

0.02191621 German:German76
0.02392999 Swedish:Sweden9
0.02424834 German_Hamburg:GSM1031523
0.02436591 Swedish:GSM1884784
0.02482251 German_Erlangen:GSM1658655
0.02483858 Swedish:Sweden13
0.02532859 German_Erlangen:GSM1658600
0.02580115 Swedish:GSM1884758
0.02608713 Dutch:GSM1634027
0.02643757 German:German40
0.02645096 Swedish:GSM1884895
0.02692387 Czech:NA15726
0.02721300 Danish:443
0.02722920 Danish:GSM1985763
0.02742271 Swedish:Sweden7

Distance to: rothaer_wife2_scaled

0.02067492 Swedish:Sweden7
0.02077494 Danish:GSM1985829
0.02113842 Swedish:Sweden16
0.02119697 Swedish:GSM1884784
0.02227661 Swedish:Sweden9
0.02286579 Swedish:GSM1884812
0.02324974 Swedish:GSM1884773
0.02373632 Swedish:GSM1884871
0.02423064 Swedish:GSM1884845
0.02426390 Swedish:GSM1884881
0.02450183 Swedish:Sweden13
0.02556020 Swedish:GSM1884842
0.02588018 Swedish:Sweden12
0.02620046 Danish:487
0.02636907 Swedish:GSM1884771

Nothing of this shows up in K36, obviously due to the Fennoscandian component, that makes visible the differences. I add the LM Genetics correlation maps that are based on K36. The maps show a highest correlation with regions that are in line with the known ancestry (and then essentially showing a cline in various directions as could be expected).

rothaer:

https://i.imgur.com/Ys9s3gI.jpg

rothaer wife2:

https://i.imgur.com/FTvs1fo.jpg
Lemminkäinen
06-09-2023, 10:11 PM
My test using individual coordinates shows me essentially closer Southwest Finnish distances than average coordinates. I guess that this effect is caused by the heterogeneity of SW Finnish samples or outliers. Only 2-3% more Siberian in some samples increases drastically the distance, because Siberians are genetically distant people. Getting 3% any European admixture has only a small effect, but the same amount Siberian/East Asian drags you far away on PCA coordinates. The data should be cropped weighting the center of each population before making averages. This is not "must" in Central Europe, but necessary on the fringes.