Classify British tennis player Jodie Burrage

[Roy]

She's a proof that native Britons can tan. :D

https://e0.365dm.com/20/07/2048x1152/skysports-jodie-burrage-tennis_5051870.jpg
https://i.shgcdn.com/331bd973-5371-407e-ae17-ea1a22b89525/-/format/auto/-/preview/3000x3000/-/quality/lighter/
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/webimg/QVNIMTI2MTAxMzg0.jpg?width=1200&enable=upscale
https://sm.imgix.net/22/50/jodie-burrage.jpg

[ugochaves]

My opinion is that the alpinid is mixed with someone else southern and northern. The English are very southern. I think the northern French are more Nordic sometimes.

[Oliver109]

Robust alpine with med, do you have any evidence that she is fully British origin? she comes from Kingston Surrey which is quite a posh area, many posh Brits have some Euro or anglo Indian ancestry etc had she come from say Barnstaple Devon i could be more sure of her ancestry.

[Roy]

Robust alpine with med, do you have any evidence that she is fully British origin? she comes from Kingston Surrey which is quite a posh area, many posh Brits have some Euro or anglo Indian ancestry etc had she come from say Barnstaple Devon i could be more sure of her ancestry.

Interesting theory. To me she looks like quite a regular Brit except of darker kind. I don't see anything Indian about Jodie whatsoever.
I find her very pretty btw.

[ugochaves]

Interesting theory. To me she looks like quite a regular Brit except of darker kind. I don't see anything Indian about Jodie whatsoever.
I find her very pretty btw.
It's scary. A similar type in eastern Europe is reliably named - churka. Are all Englishmen like that?

[Oliver109]

Interesting theory. To me she looks like quite a regular Brit except of darker kind. I don't see anything Indian about Jodie whatsoever.
I find her very pretty btw.

I know what you mean, funnily enough she looks more typical here than in France. Some people of Indian descent can look more or less dark English like Cliff Richard

[Melkiirs]

Not only can she tan but it looks like she gets darker than the typical melanocompetent Nordic or Central European (who are Fitzpatrick III). I think she is Fitzpatrick IV which is quite typical in Mediterranean Europe but less than 10% in the UK.

Edit: Looking at other photos her untanned skin tone is quite fair. Fitzpatrick IV is often associated with an olive unexposed skin tone while Fitzpatrick III skin is typically fair.

She was a preadolescent here but it still shows that her skin is not olive:

https://i.ibb.co/NVdj1s3/jodie-burrage-young.jpg

[Xacal]

Alpinized North Atlantid

[Tooting Carmen]

I know what you mean, funnily enough she looks more typical here than in France. Some people of Indian descent can look more or less dark English like Cliff Richard

Only if it is heavily diluted (although genetics are very unpredictable - Michael Chopra is half-Indian yet looks Balkanite).


many posh Brits have some Euro or anglo Indian ancestry etc

I think you'd find that Jewish ancestry (including our recent PMs Cameron and Johnson) is more common among upper-class British people than either Indian or even continental European ancestry is (well, maybe the latter is on par).

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, Burrage is some sort of Atlanto-Alpine-Med mix similar to Kate Middleton.

[Grace O'Malley]

There is always people that can tan. My father could tan wonderfully and he was Irish. He had more naturally olive skin but was blue eyed. There is of course British and Irish people that can tan. It's just that there is a large percentage with skin that has problems tanning. My mother for example had extremely fair skin and could not tan and got skin cancer after two years in Australia just from exposure like hanging out washing or walking to the bus stop. I bet there are some of those type in all populations as well. It is just the percentages are different.

[Davystayn]

Burrage is not a English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish surname.

UK has had people moving in and around London in particular for hundreds of years. Has extra admixture, hence the surname.

[reboun]

North Atlantid + Alpine

[turbosat]

Burrage is not a English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish surname.

UK has had people moving in and around London in particular for hundreds of years. Has extra admixture, hence the surname.


BURRAGE Name Meaning and BURRAGE Family History at FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/en/surname?surname=BURRAGE#:~:text=BURRAGE%20Family%2 0History-,BURRAGE%20Name%20Meaning,Charlestown%2C%20MA%2C%2 0in%201637.)

BURRAGE Name Meaning
English: from the Old English personal name Burgrīc (from burg ‘fortress’ + rīce ‘rule, powerful’).
History: John Burrage came from Norfolk, England, to Charlestown, MA, in 1637.

BURRAGE Family History



BURRAGE Name Meaning


English: from the Old English personal name Burgrīc (from burg ‘fortress’ + rīce ‘rule, powerful’).
History: John Burrage came from Norfolk, England, to Charlestown, MA, in 1637.

[Oliver109]

Burrage is not a English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish surname.

UK has had people moving in and around London in particular for hundreds of years. Has extra admixture, hence the surname.

Burrage sounds very English indeed though as i said before being from Kingston is very suspect, the place has a lot of people from different nationalities, even the east of London i.e Romford feels more homogenous British.

[Hektor12]

Alpinized Paleo Atlantid IMO, her skull is robust.

[Oliver109]

Alpinized Paleo Atlantid IMO, her skull is robust.

Do you think she looks typical in Turkey?

[Hektor12]

Do you think she looks typical in Turkey?

Its not possible to look not typical for any phenotype if tanned well.

[Tooting Carmen]

Burrage sounds very English indeed though as i said before being from Kingston is very suspect, the place has a lot of people from different nationalities, even the east of London i.e Romford feels more homogenous British.

LOL what are you talking about? Aside from its large Korean population, Kingston is one of the whiter boroughs in London (though nowadays of course that is not saying much).

[Oliver109]

LOL what are you talking about? Aside from its large Korean population, Kingston is one of the whiter boroughs in London (though nowadays of course that is not saying much).

I go there quite a lot as you have some stunning walks by the Thames, always see a lot of meddish or alpineish looking people who look like they might have Italian, Spanish, South African White, Latin American origins etc It is considerably different to say Winchester which just seems much paler and more English.

[Tooting Carmen]

I go there quite a lot as you have some stunning walks by the Thames, always see a lot of meddish or alpineish looking people who look like they might have Italian, Spanish, South African White, Latin American origins etc It is considerably different to say Winchester which just seems much paler and more English.

Here is Kingston Borough Council. I have counted 1 Black person, 5 South Asians, 1 Arab, 1 Jew, 1 Brazilian, 5 Germans, 3 Italians, 2 East Asians (probably Koreans) and 29 White Britons. https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?bcr=1

[Davystayn]

BURRAGE Name Meaning and BURRAGE Family History at FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/en/surname?surname=BURRAGE#:~:text=BURRAGE%20Family%2 0History-,BURRAGE%20Name%20Meaning,Charlestown%2C%20MA%2C%2 0in%201637.)

BURRAGE Name Meaning
English: from the Old English personal name Burgrīc (from burg ‘fortress’ + rīce ‘rule, powerful’).
History: John Burrage came from Norfolk, England, to Charlestown, MA, in 1637.

BURRAGE Family History



BURRAGE Name Meaning


English: from the Old English personal name Burgrīc (from burg ‘fortress’ + rīce ‘rule, powerful’).
History: John Burrage came from Norfolk, England, to Charlestown, MA, in 1637.






Interesting, never met anyone with that surname, sounds like Farage, which is French.

Still, OP has clear extra ancestry as so many people do these days, especially around London.

[Petalpusher]

Interesting, never met anyone with that surname, sounds like Farage, which is French.

Still, OP has clear extra ancestry as so many people do these days, especially around London.

It only may sound French to you, this was not to me and this map confirms it:
https://www.geneanet.org/nom-de-famille/BURRAGE

Farage possibly has one Huguenot ancestor in the 1600, it's not even clearly found in genealogy as it seems like some political stunt from the dailymail to make him look like someone of German and French ""immigrant background"". Even if it actually exists from that far back, that's like 3.125% French and 12.5% German.
https://ethnicelebs.com/nigel-farage

Anyway, i don't find that chick so crazy for UK, she is tanned which is usually the case for athletes who spend most of their time outside every single day of their life. Surely she s not type I skin but even type II will eventually tan after gradually burning over and over. I even see it for most Brits who live here. It's 50-50, half of the ones spending time on private beaches look as tanned as her or close, and the other half just look like walking lobsters all summer...

[Davystayn]

It only may sound French to you, this was not to me and this map confirms it:
https://www.geneanet.org/nom-de-famille/BURRAGE

Farage possibly has one Huguenot ancestor in the 1600, it's not even clearly found in genealogy as it seems like some political stunt from the dailymail to make him look like someone of German and French ""immigrant background"". Even if it actually exists from that far back, that's like 3.125% French and 12.5% German.
https://ethnicelebs.com/nigel-farage

Anyway, i don't find that chick so crazy for UK, she is tanned which is usually the case for athletes who spend most of their time outside every single day of their life. Surely she s not type I skin but even type II will eventually tan after gradually burning over and over. I even see it for most Brits who live here. It's 50-50, half of the ones spending time on private beaches look as tanned as her or close, and the other half just look like walking lobsters all summer...

Fair enough, I agree

[Oliver109]

Fair enough, I agree

She looks similar to other dark Brits like Colleen Rooney, V Beckham and Jenna Coleman, that look as I said seems to be very common around Surrey which isn't a pale part of England anyway though like I said there is no evidence of ancestry.

[Melkiirs]

Anyway, i don't find that chick so crazy for UK, she is tanned which is usually the case for athletes who spend most of their time outside every single day of their life. Surely she s not type I skin but even type II will eventually tan after gradually burning over and over. I even see it for most Brits who live here. It's 50-50, half of the ones spending time on private beaches look as tanned as her or close, and the other half just look like walking lobsters all summer...

Type II is the most typical skin type in most of the UK & Ireland, unlike the rest of Europe where Fitzpatrick III is more common. It would be one thing if it was just golden, but her tan is a rich brown hue. I would think she tans at least as well as the average continental Northern/Central European if not better.

From your expedience do Iberians and Italians in Côte d'Azur beaches get even darker than her?

[Petalpusher]

Type II is the most typical skin type in most of the UK & Ireland, unlike the rest of Europe where Fitzpatrick III is more common. It would be one thing if if it was just golden, but her tan is a rich brown hue. I would think she tans at least as well as the average continental Northern/Central European if not better.



She's probably III which is more than 1/3 of England, so pretty common, only Ireland is 75% I & II, but i mean even II can tan.



From your expedience do Iberians and Italians in Côte d'Azur beaches get even darker than her?

For sure. To a lesser extent even the Scandinavians i know, and some Ukrainians "refugee" who have a sort of more greyish tone by default.

[Thorn]

Atlantid

[Melkiirs]

She's probably III which is more than 1/3 of England, so pretty common, only Ireland is 75% I & II, but i mean even II can tan.



For sure. To a lesser extent even the Scandinavians i know, and some Ukrainians "refugee" who have a sort of more greyish tone by default.

I notice that she is actually fair-skinned from a pre professional childhood photo. Fitzpatrick III while melanocompetent is typically associated with fair unexposed skin. I agree that Fitzpatrick III is most appropriate.

On another note how dark can Southern European beach-goers get from your experience?

I would think the difference between typical Europeans and many Southern Europeans is something like this:

Marcus Follin in this photo exhibits the level of tanning ability I would associate with typical Nordic or Central Europeans. Those who get a lot of sun exposure often achieve this level of tan:
https://i.ibb.co/hWNGTKV/DRRr-D3-X0-AEZUDU-1.jpg

This Sicilian man by contrast is browner and most likely has olive toned unexposed skin. He is probably Fitzpatrick IV:
https://i.ibb.co/n3MpC6S/entrepreneur-sicilian.webp

[Petalpusher]

I notice that she is actually fair-skinned from a pre professional childhood photo. Fitzpatrick III while melanocompetent is typically associated with fair unexposed skin. I agree that Fitzpatrick III is most appropriate.

On another note how dark can Southern European beach-goers get from your experience?

I would think the difference between typical Europeans and many Southern Europeans is something like this:

Marcus Follin in this photo exhibits the level of tanning ability I would associate with a typical Nordic or Central Europeans. Those who get a lot of sun exposure often achieve this level of tan:
https://i.ibb.co/hWNGTKV/DRRr-D3-X0-AEZUDU-1.jpg

This Sicilian man by contrast is browner and probably has olive toned unexposed skin. He is probably Fitzpatrick IV:
https://i.ibb.co/n3MpC6S/entrepreneur-sicilian.webp


It indeed has a lot to do with the undertone. In majority UK is rosy, central west euro peachy and north euro more peach/golden with a lot of variation. I think with some southern euro, you get that grey/green undertone, and even more ability to tan. Also noticed the really deep south euro are more rarely glistening. Most people central and north euro look like fireflies at night when they are tanned and they generally don't. If we had datas for east and southeast europe, we would probably be in shock since Portugal and Poland are already on par for unexposed skin. I wouldn't be surprised as ive seen it with our Ukrainians thots (an invasion since the war), they can get very darkly tanned, similar to Italians/Iberians.

Two Swede sisters who live here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlwMwezW0AAQKi4?format=jpg&name=large
https://i.postimg.cc/SRLnYYZY/Capture85.png

That's how tanned Scandos can get when exposed all year to southern lattitudes, having an irradiation more similar to south Italy or Greece, it's really intense for the lattitude. One of my friend who is Norwegian, is even more tanned than that in summer i believe and while most of us burn and peal then burn again, he's not, he just tans gradually but quickly.

[Melkiirs]

Two Swede sisters who live here:


That's how tanned Scandos can get when exposed all year to southern lattitudes, having an irradiation more similar to south Italy or Greece, it's really intense for the lattitude. One of my friend who is Norwegian, is even more tanned than that in summer i believe and while most of us burn and peal then burn again, he's not, he just tans gradually but quickly.

These sisters are fully ethnically Swedish just with Tydal influence, right?