Classify Lezgi people, are they White?

[Oliver109]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxpJzCk_qko

[omidjahan]

in US they are white
but in EU NOT

[ugochaves]

but in EU NOT
why?

Target: Lezgin
Distance: 4.4641% / 0.04464063
37.6 GEO_CHG
36.4 CWC_Baltic_early
16.6 Levant_N
6.8 Barcin_N
2.6 Nganassan


Target: Italian_Abruzzo
Distance: 1.8604% / 0.01860360
44.8 Barcin_N
30.8 CWC_Baltic_early
15.4 Levant_N
9.0 GEO_CHG

[omidjahan]

why?

Target: Lezgin
Distance: 4.4641% / 0.04464063
37.6 GEO_CHG
36.4 CWC_Baltic_early
16.6 Levant_N
6.8 Barcin_N
2.6 Nganassan


Target: Italian_Abruzzo
Distance: 1.8604% / 0.01860360
44.8 Barcin_N
30.8 CWC_Baltic_early
15.4 Levant_N
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The most people of the video look un-white, if you ask me opinion

Sir where did you find this? can you please give me the site name? please

[Victor]

Never thought that Lezgi may dance Lezginka that bad xD

[Beowulf]

The most people of the video look un-white, if you ask me opinion

Sir where did you find this? can you please give me the site name? please

Vahaduo

[ugochaves]

The most people of the video look un-white, if you ask me opinion

Sir where did you find this? can you please give me the site name? please
I think the striking difference between North Caucasians and South Europeans is the high level of Caucasian hunter-gatherer among Caucasians. But the first Indo-Europeans had no less chg than the Lezgins. Can we say that the first Indo-Europeans were not white, because there are few European farmers among them?

[omidjahan]

Vahaduo

Muchas Gracias Señor

[Jambudvīpa]

look white to me.

[prohairesis]

why?

Target: Lezgin
Distance: 4.4641% / 0.04464063
37.6 GEO_CHG
36.4 CWC_Baltic_early
16.6 Levant_N
6.8 Barcin_N
2.6 Nganassan


Target: Italian_Abruzzo
Distance: 1.8604% / 0.01860360
44.8 Barcin_N
30.8 CWC_Baltic_early
15.4 Levant_N
9.0 GEO_CHG

I guess it's the high CHG component which gives even north Italians those characteristic West Asian-ish features like big eyes and huge aquiline noses. it's not the high EEF, cos Iberians are even more farmer-heavy but are much smaller facially, and convex noses are uncommon except among the basque-shifted population. not hating btw, I think Italian features look cool.

[ugochaves]

I guess it's the high CHG component which gives even north Italians those characteristic West Asian-ish features like big eyes and huge aquiline noses. it's not the high EEF, cos Iberians are even more farmer-heavy but are much smaller facially, and aquiline noses are uncommon except among the basque-shifted population. not hating btw, I think Italian features look cool.

I think so too. Sardinians look very European and "Western", although they have little steppe culture and up to 80% of the EEF. I think that the "white look", that is, the stereotypical look of a Western European, was formed on the basis of a European farmer, and not on the contribution of steppe dwellers. Eastern Europeans, for example Russians or Latvians, who have few farmers, already look different. The inhabitants of the North Caucasus are even more exotic compared to the Western stereotype of a "white man".

[Oliver109]

I guess it's the high CHG component which gives even north Italians those characteristic West Asian-ish features like big eyes and huge aquiline noses. it's not the high EEF, cos Iberians are even more farmer-heavy but are much smaller facially, and convex noses are uncommon except among the basque-shifted population. not hating btw, I think Italian features look cool.

Interesting, i do see a lot of similarity with Pamiri people which may not be surprising as they are related:
According to Narasimhan et al. (2019) Iranian farmer related people arrived before 6000 BCE in Pakistan and north-west India, before the advent of farming in northern India. They suggest the possibility that this "Iranian farmer–related ancestry [...] was [also] characteristic of northern Caucasus and Iranian plateau hunter-gatherers."[7]

[renisenb]

That's the grimmest group of dancers i've ever seen lol
They look white to me, nice narrow sharp strong-bridged noses. Also look Caucasian to me although there were a couple of women in the audience with Mongoloid-ish eyes

[Oliver109]

I think so too. Sardinians look very European and "Western", although they have little steppe culture and up to 80% of the EEF. I think that the "white look", that is, the stereotypical look of a Western European, was formed on the basis of a European farmer, and not on the contribution of steppe dwellers. Eastern Europeans, for example Russians or Latvians, who have few farmers, already look different. The inhabitants of the North Caucasus are even more exotic compared to the Western stereotype of a "white man".

Steppe people were more Cro Magnon and unreduced, big, tall, big heads and faces while EEF people have smaller faces and more alpine and med characteristics.

[mongolsteppewarrior]

little bit too swarthy but I guess maybe they could pass

[Sacrificed Ram]

Average people will think they look turks.

I'm capable to locate Turanid features on them.

And please, don't obligate muslim people to dance, muslim youngs are becoming more orthodox that their ancestors, and to dance is a sin in some orthodoxies.

[Rumata]

So not all of Caucasians can dance :) Well, those were some rather awkward hilibilies. And here's another level. They aren't Lezgi but Circassians though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ_8L98pEio

[Cristiano viejo]

look like Gypsies.

[TheForeigner]

Yes, all Caucasian peoples(Cechens, Lezghins, Circassians, Georgians etc) are white people, but not European. Not even the ones living on the European side of the Caucasus mountains or who are Eastern Christians are not Europeans. They are culturally Orientals broadly speaking.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Yes, all Caucasian peoples(Cechens, Lezghins, Circassians, Georgians etc) are white people, but not European. Not even the ones living on the European side of the Caucasus mountains or who are Eastern Christians are not Europeans. They are culturally Orientals broadly speaking.

Ciscaucasia is Europe as Kalmyks are true european buddhists.

[TheForeigner]

Ciscaucasia is Europe as Kalmyks are true european buddhists.

Ciscaucasia is Europe geographically, but peoples there are Asiatics, including the Buddhist Kalmyk Mongols .

[Odelia]

in US they are white
but in EU NOT
Yep, in US the most orientalid looking Iranian and Iraqi is considered white which is dumb to me!


why?

Target: Lezgin
Distance: 4.4641% / 0.04464063
37.6 GEO_CHG
36.4 CWC_Baltic_early
16.6 Levant_N
6.8 Barcin_N
2.6 Nganassan


Target: Italian_Abruzzo
Distance: 1.8604% / 0.01860360
44.8 Barcin_N
30.8 CWC_Baltic_early
15.4 Levant_N
9.0 GEO_CHG
Northern europeans only. They'd be like normal whites among southern europeans.

[GoalPoacher]

They don't cluster with any European ethnic group

[TheForeigner]

They don't cluster with any European ethnic group

Because they are not European, but it's ridiculous to say Caucasian peoples are not white. European and white are not synonyms.

[ugochaves]

Yes, all Caucasian peoples(Cechens, Lezghins, Circassians, Georgians etc) are white people, but not European. Not even the ones living on the European side of the Caucasus mountains or who are Eastern Christians are not Europeans. They are culturally Orientals broadly speaking.
White people are only northern Europe. The North Caucasus is western Asia, like Spain, Italy, Albania and other non-Indo-Europeans in Europe.

[GoalPoacher]

Because they are not European, but it's ridiculous to say Caucasian peoples are not white. European and white are not synonyms.

If Caucasians are white, are Iranians also white? If not, why? Where exactly do you draw the line?

[ugochaves]

If Caucasians are white, are Iranians also white? If not, why? Where exactly do you draw the line?
These are white, the rest are black-assed.
https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#NorthEurope

[TheForeigner]

If Caucasians are white, are Iranians also white? If not, why? Where exactly do you draw the line?

I don't know where you draw the line, but not in the Caucasus. Iranians and Turks are often white skinned too and fully Caucasoid looking. For me all light skinned Caucasoids are white. Dark skinned Caucasoids are brown. Maybe it depends on how much non-Caucasoid admixture they have too, but Caucasians don't have too much of that. Caucasoid is the actual race anyway. White is just color and people have different opinions.

[ugochaves]

I don't know where you draw the line, but not in the Caucasus. Iranians and Turks are often white skinned too and fully Caucasoid looking. For me all light skinned Caucasoids are white. Dark skinned Caucasoids are brown. Maybe it depends on how much non-Caucasoid admixture they have too, but Caucasians don't have too much of that. Caucasoid is the actual race anyway. White is just color and people have different opinions.
I've been to Spain, Greece...there are no whites there. I have not been to Italy, but I drew a line for myself over this post to understand who is white who is not white. I am not interested in any political alliances and likes. Whites are only northern Europe...Mostly Russia's allies in the south, but I'm tired of being silent. I'm on my own...you don't need to consider my position as the position of the Russians

[Sacrificed Ram]

Ciscaucasia is Europe geographically, but peoples there are Asiatics, including the Buddhist Kalmyk Mongols .

Even germans from Romania are part mongols...
https://transylvaniansaxon.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/vlcsnap-2013-05-19-23h20m41s254.png

[TheForeigner]

[QUOTE=Sacrificed Ram;7760888]Even germans from Romania are part mongols...
Dumb troll.

[Cristiano viejo]

European and white are not synonyms.

Of course they are.

And you calling troll to that other user...

[Sacrificed Ram]

Dumb troll.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V85RZRwZSeo

[100eyes]

White doesn’t exist.
Only caucasoid

[masoebu]

White doesn’t exist.
Only caucasoid

Yeah but I'd say white is synonymous with caucasoid really. Otherwise there is a huge double standard between mongoloid and yellow and negroid and black. Some people here won't accept it but that's just their bias.

What many users mean by "white" is a certain combo of ancient caucasoid populations from Europe, Eurasian steppes, and Asia minor which created the modern population of Europe. Even by this standard, there are white populations across Eurasia. But using it this way, "white" is a phenotype or phenotypic category, not a race.

In short, yes these people are white and the only reason we ask the question is cultural bias.

[Rumata]

This is a truly white man. A rare case. But there're many wannabes that are colored

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/67/46/48/674648d092abe161cf1df334463e6f3e--bug.jpg

[Rumata]

A wannabe white man with dyed hair

https://static.baza.farpost.ru/v/1656463689730_bulletin

[ugochaves]

White doesn’t exist.
Only caucasoid
Whites exist - mostly they are wild barbarians-Indo-Europeans who are constantly fighting, not creating. The Whites just opened the wheel and flew into space, nothing more. Caucasians are swarthy. Caucasians are very different from whites in genetics. They founded a civilization, opened a McDonald's to organize genocide against whites.

[Rumata]

Whites exist - mostly they are wild barbarians-Indo-Europeans who are constantly fighting, not creating. The Whites just opened the wheel and flew into space, nothing more. Caucasians are swarthy. Caucasians are very different from whites in genetics. They founded a civilization, opened a McDonald's to organize genocide against whites.

He said "Caucasoid", not "Caucasian".