Classify Anastasia Potapova

[Varda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Potapova

She looks very and exclusively Russian. I think female couldn't look more Russian than her. :)
https://i.ibb.co/Lr7vqP2/164363594-182028400398866-4694063740940916345-n-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Jz9Vd2L/Potapova-RGQ22-19-52129529406-1.jpg
https://atxopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Anastasia-Potapova.png
https://static.mensup.fr/29/2023/03/photo_article/18256/9097/1200-L-la-wta-rappelle-l-ordre-la-russe-anastasia-potapova.webp
https://static.liveresult.ru/files/tips/74400/Potapova.jpg?3188
https://www.tennisnet.com/fileadmin/_processed_/e/4/csm_Anastasia_Potapova_Linz_Titel_6692ddf81c.jpg

[Occiput in Starlight]

She couldn't pass as anything other than East Slavic.

If she tried to I would stop her.

[Jambudvīpa]

She couldn't pass as anything other than East Slavic.

If she tried to I would stop her.

You can't imagine her being Scandinavian?

[Occiput in Starlight]

You can't imagine her being Scandinavian?

She's too Slavic according to my eye.

[ugochaves]

East nordid+baltid

[Varda]

She couldn't pass as anything other than East Slavic.

If she tried to I would stop her.

Basically East Slavs = Russians.

[Duke]

She's too Slavic according to my eye.

she could easily pass as Komi, Chuvash or Udmurt tho.

I think this is where East Slavs got this specific looks from.

[TrevorXdX]

East Nordid + Baltid

[Russki]

she could easily pass as Komi, Chuvash or Udmurt tho.

I think this is where East Slavs got this specific looks from.


The woman in the original post would have a mongoloid admixture comparable to Finns from Finland.

Komi, Chuvash and Udmurts are way more mongoloid and darker-pigmented.

[Immanenz]

looks like two women to me, but both types are exclusive Russian looking. First is Nordic-Cm (first pic), 2nd is Neo Danubian (last pic)

[Jana]

I dislike this look.

[Duke]

The woman in the original post would have a mongoloid admixture comparable to Finns from Finland.

Komi, Chuvash and Udmurts are way more mongoloid and darker-pigmented.

She is obviusly pred slavic, but that kind of east slavic vibe comes from these people
https://images.pond5.com/udmurtia-russia-july-2021-udmurt-footage-156968179_prevstill.jpeg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/6b/42/316b426430b65685f6359d06c24eb6e3.jpg
https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/rbthmedia/images/2023.03/original/64183d47d4a1d837a7401d25.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/5b/35/4a5b354fb304eb99c6ab80943a89b974.jpg

Just like south slavs have more neolithic farmer look

[Sacrificed Ram]

East nordid+baltid

East nordid+baltid+strong armenoid.

[Russki]

She is obviusly pred slavic, but that kind of east slavic vibe comes from these people
[IMG]https://images.pond5.com/udmurtia-russia-july-2021-udmurt-footage-156968179_prevstill.jpeg[/IMG
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/6b/42/316b426430b65685f6359d06c24eb6e3.jpg[/IMG
[IMG]https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/rbthmedia/images/2023.03/original/64183d47d4a1d837a7401d25.jpg[/IMG
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/5b/35/4a5b354fb304eb99c6ab80943a89b974.jpg[/IMG


These people are not the ancestors of Russians and share no phenotypical resemblance to the woman in the original post.

[ugochaves]

she could easily pass as Komi, Chuvash or Udmurt tho.

I think this is where East Slavs got this specific looks from.
I agree, she is very Mongoloid) most likely ordinary Russian)

[Duke]

These people are not the ancestors of Russians and share no phenotypical resemblance to the woman in the original post.

Sure thing, Russians are pure, purest they can be.

These people had no influence whatsoever on Rusian ethnogenesis
https://fennougria.ee/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/uralic_map-1-949x720.png

[ugochaves]

These people are not the ancestors of Russians and share no phenotypical resemblance to the woman in the original post.
If there is someone more "Europeoid" than this girl, I refuse to be a Europeoid. Let them be on their own, these Croats. Indeed, Russians, along with the Balts, are very isolated from the rest of the European world. For Southern Europeans, we look exotic. They call our Nordids - Mongoloids, and themselves Europeans) it's interesting)

[ugochaves]

Sure thing, Russians are pure, purest they can be.

These people had no influence whatsoever on Rusian ethnogenesis
https://fennougria.ee/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/uralic_map-1-949x720.png

By the way, Croats are more Balto-Slavic than even Poles. I would single out the Croats in central Europe as the most Balto-Slavic.

[Duke]

By the way, Croats are more Balto-Slavic than even Poles. I would single out the Croats in central Europe as the most Balto-Slavic.

I am not claiming Croats as pure, we obviously have strong balkanic admix.

[ugochaves]

I am not claiming Croats as pure, we obviously have strong balkanic admix.
Poles have Germanic and southern admixture and Baltic. Croats have something that essentially brings them closer to the Russians. Some kind of ancient Balto-Slavic foundation, which has remained the most unchanged.

[Duke]

Poles have Germanic and southern admixture and Baltic. Croats have something that essentially brings them closer to the Russians. Some kind of ancient Balto-Slavic foundation, which has remained the most unchanged.

We all share this same core, also interesting fact, Croats were originally east Slavic tribe from SW Ukraine, while original Serbs came NW of Czechs and were west Slavic

[Russki]

Sure thing, Russians are pure, purest they can be.

These people had no influence whatsoever on Rusian ethnogenesis
https://fennougria.ee/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/uralic_map-1-949x720.png


I can tell you which exact tribes were the ancestors of Russians and which were not.

Udmurts and Chuvash are not among them.


https://sun9-18.userapi.com/impg/OPWC6exbPP2adrkC6MesvsgVBGBoHctjCck8kw/T5Z1F06U3eg.jpg?size=450x570&quality=95&sign=a0162d0ad217cff34b9c858033d931f7&type=album

[Victor]

I can tell you which exact tribes were the ancestors of Russians and which were not.

Udmurts and Chuvash are not among them.


I guess if you're gonna use some central Russian example it would be even more far. Sorry for my dilettante term usage xD

[Duke]

I can tell you which exact tribes were the ancestors of Russians and which were not.

Udmurts and Chuvash are not among them.


https://sun9-18.userapi.com/impg/OPWC6exbPP2adrkC6MesvsgVBGBoHctjCck8kw/T5Z1F06U3eg.jpg?size=450x570&quality=95&sign=a0162d0ad217cff34b9c858033d931f7&type=album

Ok, ill admit i just put randomly tribes that were present in modern Russia, but you cant base all Russians on a single guy, i am sure there are Russians with Udmurt or Chuvash admix just by using common sense.
Russia is fucking big

[ugochaves]

Ok, ill admit i just put randomly tribes that were present in modern Russia, but you cant base all Russians on a single guy, i am sure there are Russians with Udmurt or Chuvash admix just by using common sense.
Russia is fucking big
In your opinion, this girl does not look like a European?

[Duke]

In your opinion, this girl does not look like a European?

She looks Russian.
There is no common European look, Germans differ in look from English, French, or Austrians, even tho all those names came from Germanic peoples

[ugochaves]

We all share this same core, also interesting fact, Croats were originally east Slavic tribe from SW Ukraine, while original Serbs came NW of Czechs and were west Slavic
I see how the Balkan Slavs share the Komi component with us, there is very little of this in the Balkans - a meager percentage, but still. Poles and Czechs don't have this at all. Moreover, the Baltic (Balto-Slavic) component of the Croats is more ancient than that of the Poles. Today I am thinking about the ancestral homeland of the Slavs. Ukraine/Poland is not suitable.

[Victor]

Ok, ill admit i just put randomly tribes that were present in modern Russia, but you cant base all Russians on a single guy, i am sure there are Russians with Udmurt or Chuvash admix just by using common sense.
Russia is fucking big

Really, Udmurts and Chuvash are quite homogeneous and there was never any significant mixtures of them with any other tribe. It's possible in their regional towns nowadays when they mix with Russians or Tatars, but both Russians and Tatars historically viewed those tribes as inferior. I don't support it, but it's the way it was, there was some kind of segregation. Russians didn't meet Udmurts and Chuvash some 1000 years ago, it's a later period, they didn't get russificated or assimilated for similar reasons. Also their paganism or pagan-Christian sincretism leaded to more segregation based on disgust towards their habits.

[Duke]

I see how the Balkan Slavs share the Komi component with us, there is very little of this in the Balkans - a meager percentage, but still. Poles and Czechs don't have this at all. Moreover, the Baltic (Balto-Slavic) component of the Croats is more ancient than that of the Poles. Today I am thinking about the ancestral homeland of the Slavs. Ukraine/Poland is not suitable.

Magyars, Avars, Kumans, Pechengs... were on balkans.

Magyar folk were completly wiped out by Tatars during Hungarian and Croat Union, it was then Croats with what was left of Magyars cleaned Hungary of Tatars and reclaimed the land.
This is why modern Hungarians are mostly Croat+German mix, because they were repopulated, however there was still some of this central asian residue that is present to this day

[Dušan]

We all share this same core, also interesting fact, Croats were originally east Slavic tribe from SW Ukraine, while original Serbs came NW of Czechs and were west Slavic

Proto-Serbs are from modern eastern Germany, but they settled there from Eastern Europe, after Germanics fled that area from Avars.

Krakauer Berg samples are ancient samples of proto-Serbs.
They are autosomaly similar to Russians, Belarusians and Ukarinians.

https://i.imgur.com/Zx6ofpQ.png

By the 6th century, Slavs occupied the area west of the Oder formerly inhabited by Germanic peoples. According to the Frankish 7th-century CE Chronicle of Fredegar the Surbi (Sorbs) lived in the Saale-Elbe valley, having settled in the Thuringian part of Francia since the second half of the 6th century CE or beginning of the 7th century CE and were vassals of the Merovingian dynasty. The Saale-Elbe line marked the approximate limit of Slavic westward migration

[ugochaves]

She looks Russian.
There is no common European look, Germans differ in look from English, French, or Austrians, even tho all those names came from Germanic peoples
Do you know that Komi are not Asians? According to Soviet anthropologists, they are more Nordic than Russians. I don't understand the message -to hurt the Russians in the admixture of Komi. This is also if you tell the Greeks that they have a Norwegian admixture) 2) (I did not compare Russians with Norwegians. According to DNA, we are between the Poles and the Balts with a slight bias towards the Finns (the ill-fated Komi).

[Duke]

Do you know that Komi are not Asians? According to Soviet anthropologists, they are more Nordic than Russians. I don't understand the message -to hurt the Russians in the admixture of Komi. This is also if you tell the Greeks that they have a Norwegian admixture) 2) (I did not compare Russians with Norwegians. According to DNA, we are between the Poles and the Balts with a slight bias towards the Finns (the ill-fated Komi).

Arent they fino-ugric

[ugochaves]

I guess if you're gonna use some central Russian example it would be even more far. Sorry for my dilettante term usage xD

You can take my Russian wife as an example. She has no Finnish admixture at all. She is super white nordid+baltid. By phenotype. The coordinates of g25 are available on this forum, it is central Russian. True, my ex-wife, but I have a daughter from her) . I have a Komi 15%. I think my ancestors were Pomors. The family said something about it. However, I am also close to all Russians.

[ugochaves]

Arent they fino-ugric
Finno-Ugrians are linguistics, according to genetics, the Finno-Ugrians of the West are very European.

[Duke]

Proto-Serbs are from modern eastern Germany, but they settled there from Eastern Europe, after Germanics fled that area from Avars.

Krakauer Berg samples are ancient samples of proto-Serbs.
They are autosomaly similar to Russians, Belarusians and Ukarinians.

https://i.imgur.com/Zx6ofpQ.png

By the 6th century, Slavs occupied the area west of the Oder formerly inhabited by Germanic peoples. According to the Frankish 7th-century CE Chronicle of Fredegar the Surbi (Sorbs) lived in the Saale-Elbe valley, having settled in the Thuringian part of Francia since the second half of the 6th century CE or beginning of the 7th century CE and were vassals of the Merovingian dynasty. The Saale-Elbe line marked the approximate limit of Slavic westward migration

I heaard differently, Krauker berg were Croat mercenaries that had nothing originally with the place, but were brought by Charlemagne during his wars with Saxons, as Croats were tributaries of Franks. Name came from Croat Berg.

By DAI, that was written just after migrations, Serbs are precisely described that they came from place where Lusitian Sorbs are.
THe reson why modern Serbs dont show affinity to Sorbs is because most of them were killed by Bulgarians, and only royals, Časlav in particular, stayed alive by hiding in Byzantium, later on Bulgars were pushed back with combined forces of Croats and Byzantines, and Byzantines put Časlav back on the throne as vassal, trough his reign Serb name was preserved, while empty land attracted migrants from all sides.
This all chronology is written black on white by Byzantines

[ugochaves]

She looks Russian.
There is no common European look, Germans differ in look from English, French, or Austrians, even tho all those names came from Germanic peoples

I don't want to violate your opinion. Europeans are not only a Germanic species. Russian Russians have a Siberian admixture in very small quantities, in phenotypes this admixture is significant in the north and is also found in some large cities, because there are a lot of mixing with different peoples, but the Russian centers from the province are very Slavic and Nordic. The further away in time, the fewer of us there are. Today there is a very large urbanization, and there are a lot of Asians in the cities.

[Dušan]

I heaard differently, Krauker berg were Croat mercenaries that had nothing originally with the place, but were brought by Charlemagne during his wars with Saxons, as Croats were tributaries of Franks. Name came from Croat Berg.

By DAI, that was written just after migrations, Serbs are precisely described that they came from place where Lusitian Sorbs are.
THe reson why modern Serbs dont show affinity to Sorbs is because most of them were killed by Bulgarians, and only royals, Časlav in particular, stayed alive by hiding in Byzantium, later on Bulgars were pushed back with combined forces of Croats and Byzantines, and Byzantines put Časlav back on the throne as vassal, trough his reign Serb name was preserved, while empty land attracted migrants from all sides.
This all chronology is written black on white by Byzantines

Wrong. It has nothing with Croats.

Description of Krakauer Berg samples from Illustartive DNA is posted above.
All that area of Eastern Germany was settled by Slavic people, who were known as Sorbs by Germans.

[Duke]

Wrong. It has nothing with Croats.

Description of Krakauer Berg samples from Illustartive DNA is posted above.
All that area of Eastern Germany was settled by Slavic people, who were known as Sorbs by Germans.

Who were west Slavic like modern Sorbs, not like Kraukerberg who are same as early Croats.
The reason you get hits on Kraukerberg, is because your ancestry is partially early Croat

[Dušan]

Who were west Slavic like modern Sorbs, not like Kraukerberg who are same as early Croats.
The reason you get hits on Kraukerberg, is because your ancestry is partially early Croat

:lol:

Keep dreaming idiot.



The boundary between Thuringia and the Sorbs was defined as the Saale river by Einhard, writing in the 830s: Salam fluvium, qui Thuringos et Sorabos dividit ("the river Saale, which divides the Thuringii and the Sorbs"). Erfurt was then the chief economic centre of eastern Thuringia. The Sorbian March probably (loosely) included the land east of the Saale as far as the Elster and the Pleisse, which might have been controlled by castles. The Sorbian March may have been only the area west of the Saale, east of it,[1] or on both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbian_March


Krakauer Berg samples are digged near river Saale.

[ugochaves]

So what about the classification of this tennis player? Eastern Baltid or Turanid?

[Hellenas]

Nordid+Baltid

[Duke]

:lol:

Keep dreaming idiot.



The boundary between Thuringia and the Sorbs was defined as the Saale river by Einhard, writing in the 830s: Salam fluvium, qui Thuringos et Sorabos dividit ("the river Saale, which divides the Thuringii and the Sorbs"). Erfurt was then the chief economic centre of eastern Thuringia. The Sorbian March probably (loosely) included the land east of the Saale as far as the Elster and the Pleisse, which might have been controlled by castles. The Sorbian March may have been only the area west of the Saale, east of it,[1] or on both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbian_March


Krakauer Berg samples are digged near river Saale.

Ok moron, why you hit Kroatberg Slavs, but not Sorbs, or west Poles?

Let your big brain work that a bit

[ugochaves]

Ok moron, why you hit Kroatberg Slavs, but not Sorbs, or west Poles?

Let your big brain work that a bit
Why are you always trolling the Serbs and their Komi allies?

[Duke]

Why are you always trolling the Serbs and their Komi allies?

I am not troling, its just i am Capricorn, and thus have instinctual need to pull fantasies back down to earth :D

[ugochaves]

I am not troling, its just i am Capricorn, and thus have instinctual need to pull fantasies back down to earth :D
It's just that you're an idiot, it's a pity that such men are Feiichi's choice. I am an exotic, a Nordic from Komi. You're turning your back on us Asians...But I'll take Fiichia.

[Duke]

It's just that you're an idiot, it's a pity that such men are Feiichi's choice. I am an exotic, a Nordic from Komi. You're turning your back on us Asians...But I'll take Fiichia.

Feiichy doesent like Komiunists. :D

Besides I respect Russians, you guys are strong in combat sports and Tennis :cool:

[ugochaves]

Feiichy doesent like Komiunists. :D

Besides I respect Russians, you guys are strong in combat sports and Tennis :cool:
Fiichi is just a very modest woman. She had had one Hungarian man for many years. I am a Mongoloid exotic for her. Be kind to her. Thank you for the kind words to our athletes.

[Duke]

Fiichi is just a very modest woman. She had had one Hungarian man for many years. I am a Mongoloid exotic for her. Be kind to her. Thank you for the kind words to our athletes.

I am rooting for Sergei Pavlovich to take UFC title, and replace Croat Stipe Miočić as next worthy champ ;)

[ugochaves]

I am rooting for Sergei Pavlovich to take UFC title, and replace Croat Stipe Miočić as next worthy champ ;)
Fuck, I'm not a fucking Mongoloid, not even a baltid :mad:

[Dušan]

Ok moron, why you hit Kroatberg Slavs, but not Sorbs, or west Poles?

Let your big brain work that a bit

Krakauer Berg samples have nothing with CroRats, these are samples of local Slavs who had lived in these areas.

Kroatberg? :rotfl You are ridiculous.

[Katarzyna]

Funny how almost every thread converges into “who is the most slavic” thread

[ugochaves]

Funny how almost every thread converges into “who is the most slavic” thread
Russians are not the most Slavic, leave us alone) we are Baltic Slavs and have nothing to do with Europe, just stay away from the Russians

[Duke]

Krakauer Berg samples have nothing with CroRats, these are samples of local Slavs who had lived in these areas.

Kroatberg? :rotfl You are ridiculous.

It does, they are unlike Sorbs but basically same to early Croats, also just west of it is Grosskorbatha, also booty land for fighting Saxons given by Franks.

Fact is modern Serbs have nothing with OG Serbs, which were descendant from Sorbs, who are majorly R-M420, which is typical for other west Slavs as well.


Serb male line in Balkan is practically dead.
What we have in Balkans is a mixture of Croats, Albanians, Bulgarians and Romanians, unated by one church, SPC(serbs producing machine) who live in perpetual denial of everything, and are about single fact that they are purest, and that every nation of Europe is descendant of them.

[ugochaves]

It does, they are unlike Sorbs but basically same to early Croats, also just west of it is Grosskorbatha, also booty land for fighting Saxons given by Franks.

Fact is modern Serbs have nothing with OG Serbs, which were descendant from Sorbs, who are majorly R-M420, which is typical for other west Slavs as well.
Serb male line in Balkan is practically dead.

Potapova is very Mongoloid, isn't she? And the Nosy Fiichia with a Turkish look is a super-European. Stop trolling the Serbs! You're dealing with Comey now!

[Beowulf]

East nordid+baltid

+1

[Duke]

Potapova is very Mongoloid, isn't she? And the nostaya Fiichia with a Turkish look is a super-European. Stop trolling the Serbs! You're dealing with Comey now!

no not Mongolian, but i can see she has bit of Chud in her

[Dušan]

It does, they are unlike Sorbs but basically same to early Croats, also just west of it is Grosskorbatha, also booty land for fighting Saxons given by Franks.

Fact is modern Serbs have nothing with OG Serbs, which were descendant from Sorbs, who are majorly R-M420, which is typical for other west Slavs as well.
Serb male line in Balkan is practically dead.

Krakauer Berg samples are similar to proto-Slavs, what they in fact were.
They came from Eastern Europe to the borders with Germanic tribes, and had proto-Slav genetics - similar to modern Smolensk, Ukrainian, Belarussian.

Why are West Slavs bit different from early Slavs, its because they incorporated Celto-Germanic admixture, just like South Slavs incorporated Balkan and Roman admixture.

Serb male line are alive to this day.
Unlike Croats who are strange artificial mix of kajkavians and štokavians who are very different to each other, we are very homogenous natural nation.

[Lobster]

East Baltid with Nordid. Nice :D

[ugochaves]

Fiichi with a big nose - I do not know how it is in English, I am correcting the message for the third time

[ugochaves]

East Baltid with Nordid. Nice :D
More like Ladogan? She is very similar to Komi after all.

[Duke]

Krakauer Berg samples are similar to proto-Slavs, what they in fact were.
They came from Eastern Europe to the borders with Germanic tribes, and had proto-Slav genetics - similar to modern Smolensk, Ukrainian, Belarussian.

Why are West Slavs bit different from early Slavs, its because they incorporated Celto-Germanic admixture, just like South Slavs incorporated Balkan and Roman admixture.

Serb male line are alive to this day.
Unlike Croats who are strange artificial mix of kajkavians and štokavians who are very different to each other, we are very homogenous natural nation.

Krauker berg was a military fortress that was made in early medieval, it has nothing to do with Sorbs, but with Charlemagne who called on Croats, who were his tributaries back then for military action against Saxons.
Booty was the land.

As for a dialects, its normal when they are form language which is spoken for a long ass time, rather when is school thought, tho you loose 1 case every 50km south of BG witch pushes you more to bulgarian, look and the difference of English dialects in lets say Australia, and England.
England has waaaaaay more dialects, similar to Croats, because for the same fact, it was spoken in England for a long time, before schooling was invented, so each village tend to differ in its own way by natural process

[Lobster]

More like Ladogan? She is very similar to Komi after all.

Oui, that could make sense too

[Dušan]

Krauker berg was a military fortres that wa made in early medieval, it has nothing to do with Sorbs, but with Charlemagne who called on Croats, who were his tributaries back then for military action against Saxons.
Booty was the land

https://i.imgur.com/Zx6ofpQ.png

[Dušan]

As for a dialects, its normal when they are form language which is spoken for a long ass time, rather then is school thought, tho you loose 1 case every 50km south of BG witch pushes you more to bulgarian, look and the difference of English dialects in lets say Australia, and England.
England has waaaaaay more dialects, similar to Croats, because for the same fact, it was spoken in England for a long time, before schooling was invented, so each village tend to differ in its own way

Its not only about dialects, but about genetics also.
Kajkavian Croats are more closer to Czechs and Slovaks than to southern štokavian Croats. :D



I got mine G25, and among the closest I have Serbs from Serbia, although mine ancestors didnt live in Serbia in last 400 years.
We are natural homogenous nation. :)


Distance to: Dušan_scaled
0.02499539 Serbian:hazmatnik(50%Sumadija50%SESerbia)_scaled
0.02586799 Serbian:hazmatnik_pat_aunt_Mimika(Sumadija)_scaled
0.02711757 Serbian: Decius(Serb)
0.02879826 Serbian:hazmatnik_mat_gmother_Milka_scaled
0.03041659 Serbian: Prosigoj(Serb)
0.03094068 Romanian:Andre(Romanian)
0.03189280 Croatian:Renato_scaled
0.03198819 Croatian:Zarko_scaled(Dubrovnik_reference)
0.03298279 Serbian:hazmatnik_mat_aunt_Irena(SESerbia)_scaled
0.03309224 Serbian:hazmatnik_pat_gmother_Desanka(Sumadija)_sc aled
0.03389396 Serbian: Dick(Serb)
0.03494349 Serbian:Tie_red_mother_scaled(Krajina_Serb)
0.03542582 Ukrainian:Geborgenheit_mother(Ukrainian)
0.03608491 Serbian:Ford(Serb)
0.03630138 Serbian:hazmatnik_mat_gfather_Miodrag_scaled
0.03704751 Hungarian:KielGF_scaled
0.03767011 Romanian:WeirdFellow(Romanian)
0.03785359 Romanian:chrisbab_dad(Romanian)
0.03950363 German:Noricum(Lavanttal_Carinthia)_scaled
0.04005352 Croatianh2ter(Croatian)
0.04012474 Croatianamjan_scaled
0.04104481 Croatian:Martin_scaled
0.04125122 Hungarian:Stears(Hungarian)
0.04130327 Croatianh2ter_dad(Croatian)
0.04191801 Croatian:Manda_scaled

[Varda]

It does, they are unlike Sorbs but basically same to early Croats, also just west of it is Grosskorbatha, also booty land for fighting Saxons given by Franks.

Fact is modern Serbs have nothing with OG Serbs, which were descendant from Sorbs, who are majorly R-M420, which is typical for other west Slavs as well.
Serb male line in Balkan is practically dead.

Wrong, there are some branches of R1a, I2-Y3120 and even I1 among Serbs which show proto-Serbian migration direction.

R1a-YP4278 - connection with Czechia (TMRCA 1650 ybp); it is branched among Serbs from all regions (peak in Herzegovinian Serbs) https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP4278/
I2-A8741 - connection with Germany (TMRCA 1550 ybp) https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A8741*/
I2-A20333 - connection with German from Poland (TMRCA 1500 ybp) who is obvious descendant of west Slavs/Sorbs https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A20333*/
etc.

[Duke]

https://i.imgur.com/Zx6ofpQ.png

Yes, east Slavic are closer even thothey are west as they can be.
Strange isnt it.
If they were Sorbs, Polish would be closest.
How dumb can you be?

Now as I said before, early Croats were closest to them, Croats were east Slavic tribes, OG Serbs were west Slavs

[ugochaves]

Croats and Serbs stop flooding. The girl is classified as Ladogan. The rest of the conflicts are not in this topic!

[Varda]

Yes, east Slavic are closer even thothey are west as they can be.
Strange isnt it.
If they were Sorbs, Polish would be closest.
How dumb can you be?

Now as I said before, early Croats were closest to them, Croats were east Slavic tribes, OG Serbs were west Slavs

Proto-Serbs moved from eastern Slavic space to present day western Czechia and eastern Germany after 375 AD because of Hunic invasion.

[Duke]

Proto-Serbs moved from eastern Slavic space to present day western Czechia and eastern Germany after 375 AD because of Hunic invasion.

That is just a way to justify you have nothing to do with west Slavs in present day, there is no historical document about that claim whatsoever.
So ill play along, if Sorbs are not original tribe of balkan Serbs like historical documents say, who are then, which east Slavic tribe is originator of Serbs?

[Lobster]

Proto-Serbs moved from eastern Slavic space to present day western Czechia and eastern Germany after 375 AD because of Hunic invasion.

My friend, are Serbs of today more of Slavic or Thraco-Illyrians ancestry, or half/half mix? To me, they look Slavic mainly, NOT RUSSIAN NOR POLISH, but some different kind of Slavic, but still Slavic. A bit dark-washed people on this forums, if you ask me.

[Varda]

That is just a way to justify you have nothing to do with west Slavs in present day, there is no historical document about that claim whatsoever.
So ill play along, if Sorbs are not original tribe of balkan Serbs like historical documents say, who are then, which east Slavic tribe is originator of Serbs?

Are you retarded or just troll?
Ancestors of west Slavs settled in western Slavic space from the east in 4-5th century. Present day western Slavic lands earlier were Germanic and Celtic.

[Varda]

My friend, are Serbs of today more of Slavic or Thraco-Illyrians ancestry, or half/half mix? To me, they look Slavic mainly, NOT RUSSIAN NOR POLISH, but some different kind of Slavic, but still Slavic. A bit dark-washed people on this forums, if you ask me.

Modern Serbs are 50-60% Slavic and 40-50% native Balkan. From a lecture of professor Carles Lalueza-Fox last year in Belgrade.
https://i.ibb.co/zVrrb2C/zdin-6.png

[Lemminkäinen]

In most pictures a full blown Slav.

[Lobster]

Modern Serbs are 50-60% Slavic and 40-50% native Balkan. From a lecture of professor Carles Lalueza-Fox last year in Belgrade.
https://i.ibb.co/zVrrb2C/zdin-6.png
Thank you, my friend. Do you maybe know which part of Serbia (or other countries where ethnic Serbs live) is the most Slavic and which is the most native? Modern Serbians must be pretty northern, because Thracians themselves were described as red-haired by Greeks, plus add 50% Slavic on it. Slavic faces on my friends I know (they are from Novi Sad) must be because of high steppe influence among them.

[ugochaves]

In most pictures a full blown Slav.
full blown Slav? Damn Nazi old man, do you divide Slavs into full-fledged and incomplete?

[ugochaves]

Modern Serbs are 50-60% Slavic and 40-50% native Balkan. From a lecture of professor Carles Lalueza-Fox last year in Belgrade.
https://i.ibb.co/zVrrb2C/zdin-6.png
I am 85% proto-Slavic and 15% Komi.

[Lemminkäinen]

full blown Slav? Damn Nazi old man, do you divide Slavs into full-fledged and incomplete?

It was said with respect for her authenticity. People usually don't see how they look for foreigners.

[Varda]

Thank you, my friend. Do you maybe know which part of Serbia (or other countries where ethnic Serbs live) is the most Slavic and which is the most native? Modern Serbians must be pretty northern, because Thracians themselves were described as red-haired by Greeks, plus add 50% Slavic on it. Slavic faces on my friends I know (they are from Novi Sad) must be because of high steppe influence among them.

Serbs from western Serbia, NE Bosnia and central Croatia are most Slavic shifted. Least Slavic are Serbs from Montenegro (Serbs of North Macedonia are even less Slavic, but they are small community).

Thracians and Illyrians were more northern shifted in pre-Roman time than vulgar Latin speaking Balkan people in the early middle age, but still they were by far more southern than Slavs, Germanics and other northern people. Classic Illyrian autosomally were like modern Spaniards, Portuguese and North Italians. Classic Thracians were like central Italians.
Proto-Illyrians and proto-Thracians from 1500-1000 BC were northern shifted people, they conquered more numerous older Balkan population and mixed with them. Because of that classic Illyrian and Thracians were much more southern shifted. In Roman period Balkan population became even more southern due to influence of Roman colonists and migrants from Levant and Anatolia. Slavic migration moved Balkan people more northern, even Greeks.

This Bronze Age sample from Bulgaria can be modeled as 3/4 North Swedish and 1/4 Caucasian. He was probably recent migrant from Pontic stepe.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ei4KCZ.png

[renisenb]

looks like two women to me, but both types are exclusive Russian looking. First is Nordic-Cm (first pic), 2nd is Neo Danubian (last pic)

It's because in the first pic, she has eye makeup, and hair falling on the side, which masks the slavic cheekbone. Also it seems to be from when she was younger, so her lower facial fat (baby fat) still exists, giving her a more balanced and less slavic look.
In the 2nd pic, her hair is drawn back so you can see her real face. No eye makeup, even though she has false eyelashes, without which she would look even more Mongoloid. Also her lower buccal fat on her face has disappeared (baby fat disappears in early to mid 20s usually).
To me, she looks like a female version of Putin.

[Lobster]

Serbs from western Serbia, NE Bosnia and central Croatia are most Slavic shifted. Least Slavic are Serbs from Montenegro (Serbs of North Macedonia are even less Slavic, but they are small community).

Thracians and Illyrians were more northern shifted in pre-Roman time than vulgar Latin speaking Balkan people in the early middle age, but still they were by far more southern than Slavs, Germanics and other northern people. Classic Illyrian autosomally were like modern Spaniards, Portuguese and North Italians. Classic Thracians were like central Italians.
Proto-Illyrians and proto-Thracians from 1500-1000 BC were northern shifted people, they conquered more numerous older Balkan population and mixed with them. Because of that classic Illyrian and Thracians were much more southern shifted. In Roman period Balkan population became even more southern due to influence of Roman colonists and migrants from Levant and Anatolia. Slavic migration moved Balkan people more northern, even Greeks.

This Bronze Age sample from Bulgaria can be modeled as 3/4 North Swedish and 1/4 Caucasian. He was probably recent migrant from Pontic stepe.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ei4KCZ.png

Yes, but Romans/Italians (Latins, Umbrians, Etruscans, Samnites, Sabines...) came from Steppe themselves, aren't they? Interesting that they became so southern

[Varda]

Serbs from western Serbia, NE Bosnia and central Croatia are most Slavic shifted. Least Slavic are Serbs from Montenegro (Serbs of North Macedonia are even less Slavic, but they are small community).

Thracians and Illyrians were more northern shifted in pre-Roman time than vulgar Latin speaking Balkan people in the early middle age, but still they were by far more southern than Slavs, Germanics and other northern people. Classic Illyrian autosomally were like modern Spaniards, Portuguese and North Italians. Classic Thracians were like central Italians.
Proto-Illyrians and proto-Thracians from 1500-1000 BC were northern shifted people, they conquered more numerous older Balkan population and mixed with them. Because of that classic Illyrian and Thracians were much more southern shifted. In Roman period Balkan population became even more southern due to influence of Roman colonists and migrants from Levant and Anatolia. Slavic migration moved Balkan people more northern, even Greeks.

This Bronze Age sample from Bulgaria can be modeled as 3/4 North Swedish and 1/4 Caucasian. He was probably recent migrant from Pontic stepe.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ei4KCZ.png

Proto-Illyrians were probably R1b and proto-Thracians R1b and R1a-Z93. In classic Illyrians the strongest Y DNA was J2b2-M241 and in classic Thracians E-V13. R1 proto-Illarians/Thracians were northern warrior elite who conquered more numerous paleo-Balkanite/Meddish people (J2, E). Similar story as with R1a-Z93 invaders of Iranian plateau from 1000 BC and India from 1500 BC.

[JohnnyP]

Proto-Illyrians were probably R1b and proto-Thracians R1b and R1a-Z93. In classic Illyrians the strongest Y DNA was J2b2-M241 and in classic Thracians E-V13. R1 proto-Illarians/Thracians were warrior elite who conquered more numerous paleo-Balkanite/Meddish people (J2, E). Similar story as with R1a invaders of Iranian plateau from 1000 BC and India from 1500 BC.

Ako si gi kazajaaa , lele ne si tacan

[Duke]

Are you retarded or just troll?
Ancestors of west Slavs settled in western Slavic space from the east in 4-5th century. Present day western Slavic lands earlier were Germanic and Celtic.

Are you a moron?

West Slavs have certain lineages which include Sorbs, Sorbs are genetically west Slavs and closest population to Sorbs are west Poles, not Eastern Slavic Tribes, yet those lineages are not present in modern Serbs, but rather same lineages that came with Croats, Bulgarians, as well as native lineages from Albanians and Greeks.
So tell me like I am 5 year old, from which place actually Serbs came if they are not descended from west Slavic Sorbs according to this new theory you have.

[Hektor12]

East Nordic+Volgid IMO. Indeed very Russian looking.

[Dušan]

Modern Serbs are 50-60% Slavic and 40-50% native Balkan. From a lecture of professor Carles Lalueza-Fox last year in Belgrade.
https://i.ibb.co/zVrrb2C/zdin-6.png

50-60% proto-Slavic and 40-50% Balkan Iron Age + Imperial Roman.

Imperial Roman component is also significant.

[ugochaves]

East Nordic+Volgid IMO. Indeed very Russian looking.
Volgid? I agree. But rather a little to the east, a little more Asian than the European Turk.

[Dušan]

tra la la la

Can you explain us why are kajkavian Croats closer to Czechs an Slovaks by autosomal genetics than to southern štokavian Croats??? :lightbul:

[Dušan]

West Slavs have certain lineages which include Sorbs, Sorbs are genetically west Slavs and closest population to Sorbs are west Poles, not Eastern Slavic Tribes.

I see some Eastern Slavic people are also very close to Sorbs - Ukrainians, Belgorod and Smolensk Russians.

https://i.imgur.com/msA4RNW.png



:coffee:

[Duke]

Can you explain us why are kajkavian Croats closer to Czechs an Slovaks by autosomal genetics than to southern štokavian Croats??? :lightbul:

Yes i can, its because it was there and in Slovenia is where lots of Serbs in medieval time ran from Bulgarians, among Croats to save their lives, and no more than 50 Serbs left in what was Serbia, as per De Administrato Imperio.
So actual modern kajkavian Croats have some west Slavic lineages as well as Slovenians, which are common among Sorbs.
So in a sense kajkavians are partly OG serbs, at least whats left of them

Now dont deflect, pin point me, from where your Slavic linege came, especially your haplogroup.
Here is the map
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/East_Slavic_tribes_peoples_8th_9th_century.jpg

I know, we both know the answer :D

[Dušan]

Yes i can, its because it was there and in Slovenia is where lots of Serbs in medieval time ran from Bulgarians, among Croats to save their lives as per De Administrato Imperio.
So actual modern kajkavian Croats have some west Slavic lineages as well as Slovenians, which are common among Sorbs.
So in a sense kajkavians are partly OG serbs, at least whats left of them

Now dont deflect, pin point me, from where your Slavic linege came, especially your haplogroup.
Here is the map
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/East_Slavic_tribes_peoples_8th_9th_century.jpg

I know, we both know the answer :D

:picard1:

Serbs had never settled among kajkavians, if we exclude some migrations to Zagreb in 20th century.

The point is that kajkavian and shtokavian Croats are different by both dialects and genetics.
The only what is common to them, and what created modern Croatian nation is Catholicism.

Entire Slavdom expanded from todays Belarus and Ukraine, to all four sides of world.

https://i.imgur.com/3ErClNu.jpeg

[Russki]

Sorbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs) are genetically west Slavs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Slavs)


https://i.imgur.com/zIPXxe0.jpeg
https://sun9-75.userapi.com/impg/dJg8kI4Te7edt8zsF84r9u_DWkyAT9K0-2H7eA/FrxFjO2-xPs.jpg?size=663x541&quality=95&sign=b88fa40d3b06497c35f4ec4a8b9e643e&type=album

[Duke]

:picard1:

Serbs had never settled among kajkavians, if we exclude some migrations to Zagreb in 20th century.

The point is that kajkavian and shtokavian Croats are different by both dialects and genetics.
The only what is common to them, and what created modern Croatian nation is Catholicism.

Entire Slavdom expanded from todays Belarus and Ukraine, to all four sides of world.

https://i.imgur.com/3ErClNu.jpeg

That map is fairytale, west Slavs were there from long ago, genetics prove that, it was Germans who moved east towards Sorb like Slavs.

However, lets say we buy into the fantasy, that every Slav came from Belarus, just like every funky Serb has heritage from Ljubinje, its still the yDNA linages what make west Slavs West Slavs.
Slavs with west Slav lineage moved from Belarus, there is no way around that, because this yDNA lineage is what makes west Slavs.
West Slavic male lineage, is overwhelmingly found in Sorbs, but not in Serbs.
In fact only record of west Slavs moving to Balkans is with Serbs, yet their lineage can be found among Slovenians, who are by accident next to Kajkavian Croats, and both have these Sorb West Slavic lineages, wile DAI, explicitly says that there were no more than 50 Serbs were left alive in Serbia, and the rest fled among the Croats :D

zbroji 2 i 2

[Duke]

https://i.imgur.com/zIPXxe0.jpeg
https://sun9-75.userapi.com/impg/dJg8kI4Te7edt8zsF84r9u_DWkyAT9K0-2H7eA/FrxFjO2-xPs.jpg?size=663x541&quality=95&sign=b88fa40d3b06497c35f4ec4a8b9e643e&type=album

?

We are talking about yDNA lineage, Sorbs are overwhelmingly R-M420, its even called Liusitian haplotype becase of Luisitian culture which was Sorb culture, a haplotype that is very rare among modern "Serbs".

If you want to go into PCA plots, we can do that as well

[Varda]

That map is fairytale, west Slavs were there from long ago, genetics prove that, it was Germans who moved east towards Sorb like Slavs.

However, lets say we buy into the fantasy, that every Slav came from Belarus, just like every funky Serb has heritage from Ljubinje, its still the yDNA linages what make west Slavs West Slavs.
Slavs with west slave lineage moved from Belarus, there is no way around that, because this yDNA lineage is what makes west Slavs.
West Slavic male lineage, is overwhelmingly found in Sorbs, but not in Serbs.
In fact only record of west Slavs moving to Balkans is with Serbs, yet their lineage can be found among Slovenians, who are by accident next to Kajkavian Croats, and both have these Sorb West Slavic lineages, wile DAI, explicitly says that thereare no more than 50 Serbs were left alive in Serbia, and the rest fled among the Croats :D

zbroji 2 i 2

Who said that all Serbs have roots from Ljubinje? Around Ljubinje and neighboring Stolac in the middle age lived tribes Burmazi, Vlahovići and Hrabreni, their genetic descendants today are more numerous among Serbs from some other regions outside of Herzegovina than in Herzegovina. Serbs from some regions (Krajina, Podrinje, western Serbia) have predominantly further origin from historical Herzegovina. In some others as Kosovo, Shopluk and Banat their connection with Herzegovina is almost zero.

[Immanenz]

It's because in the first pic, she has eye makeup, and hair falling on the side, which masks the slavic cheekbone. Also it seems to be from when she was younger, so her lower facial fat (baby fat) still exists, giving her a more balanced and less slavic look.
In the 2nd pic, her hair is drawn back so you can see her real face. No eye makeup, even though she has false eyelashes, without which she would look even more Mongoloid. Also her lower buccal fat on her face has disappeared (baby fat disappears in early to mid 20s usually).
To me, she looks like a female version of Putin.

yeah, i googled her- she is Neo Danubian anyway.

[Duke]

Who said that all Serbs have roots from Ljubinje? Around Ljubinje and neighboring Stolac in the middle age lived tribes Burmazi, Vlahovići and Hrabreni, their genetic descendants today are more numerous among Serbs from some other regions outside of Herzegovina than in Herzegovina. Serbs from some regions (Krajina, Podrinje, western Serbia) have predominantly further origin from historical Herzegovina. In some others as Kosovo, Shopluk and Banat their connection with Herzegovina is almost zero.

Its a MEME, where by some Serbian bigbrains 90% of Serbs came from 3 vilages in east hercegovina, or in some other way, from montenegro, but those in montenegro came form 3 vilages in east hercegovina.
Which is of course not remotely true, or in another words, we dont know shit, so we just say ljubinje :D

[Varda]

Krakauer Berg samples have nothing with CroRats, these are samples of local Slavs who had lived in these areas.

Kroatberg? :rotfl You are ridiculous.

Many CroRats are mythomans.
This retard in parenthesis (https://www.forum.hr/member.php?u=573132) for years on signature had 'Most Slavs come from Croatians, i am not guilty for the stated fact but genes' :picard1:

[Duke]

Many CroRats are mythomans.
This retard in parenthesis (https://www.forum.hr/member.php?u=573132) for years on signature had 'Most Slavs come from Croatians, i am not guilty for the stated fact but genes' :picard1:

Dont get me started on Serbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3zRI5iogE

BTW, one guy i know is half Croat half Albanian, take a guess where he plots and who are his closest people?

[Varda]

Dont get me started on Serbs

BTW, one guy i know is half Croat half Albanian, take a guess where he pots and who are his closest people?

Deretić was stand up comedian in essence. Such individuals exist in every nation.
On the other hand among Croatians first Illyrian theory about origin was mainstream, then Gothic, after that Iranian and finally Slavic. In WW2 Croatians claimed they are Goths who just adopted Slavic language, it was your agenda withing alliance with Hitler.

I like this clip, no matter how crazy it is. :thumb001:


https://youtu.be/wtAaGvmsIIw

[Dušan]

That map is fairytale, west Slavs were there from long ago, genetics prove that, it was Germans who moved east towards Sorb like Slavs.

However, lets say we buy into the fantasy, that every Slav came from Belarus, just like every funky Serb has heritage from Ljubinje, its still the yDNA linages what make west Slavs West Slavs.
Slavs with west Slav lineage moved from Belarus, there is no way around that, because this yDNA lineage is what makes west Slavs.
West Slavic male lineage, is overwhelmingly found in Sorbs, but not in Serbs.
In fact only record of west Slavs moving to Balkans is with Serbs, yet their lineage can be found among Slovenians, who are by accident next to Kajkavian Croats, and both have these Sorb West Slavic lineages, wile DAI, explicitly says that there were no more than 50 Serbs were left alive in Serbia, and the rest fled among the Croats :D

zbroji 2 i 2

The map is not fairytale.

It was first expansion of Slavs toward west.

Later, in 12th century, started Germanic expansion toward east. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung


I already posted closest populations of Sorbs, among them are Ukrainians and Russians.

https://i.imgur.com/msA4RNW.png

[Varda]

Deretić was stand up comedian in essence. Such individuals exist in every nation.
On the other hand among Croatians first Illyrian theory about origin was mainstream, then Gothic, after that Iranian and finally Slavic. In WW2 Croatians claimed they are Goths who just adopted Slavic language, it was your agenda withing alliance with Hitler.

I like this clip, no matter how crazy it is. :thumb001:


https://youtu.be/wtAaGvmsIIw

I will mention only one thing, and tell the Croatian people,
as the records testify about beautiful Iranian plateau,
southern part of Afghanistan with one part of eastern Iran,
to the west part of Pakistan, and to the center of city Kandahar,
it was a Croatian state, which was decorated by the army and the administration,
the entire area up to the Indus river was our (Croatian), it was not someone else's...

[Duke]

The map is not fairytale.

It was first expansion of Slavs toward west.

Later, in 12th century, started Germanic expansion toward east. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung


I already posted closest populations of Sorbs, among them are Ukrainians and Russians.

https://i.imgur.com/msA4RNW.png

then how do you explain this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatian_culture ?

These are Sorb ancestors, btw
They came from this culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzciniec_culture , whose predecessors were Cordedware.

So how does that play into that funky belarus theory? :D

[ugochaves]

I will say one thing - I like Croats. I'm torturing myself with the Serbs, sorry...Croats are mine. They are like Russians, very similar in messages, the same morons and trolls and very frank and not boring. I chose my Balkan Croats. I love the Serbs, but I like the Croats here!

[Victor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf9hH65SwNI

[Varda]

I will say one thing - I like Croats. I'm torturing myself with the Serbs, sorry...Croats are mine. They are like Russians, very similar in messages, the same morons and trolls and very frank and not boring. I chose my Balkan Croats. I love the Serbs, but I like the Croats here!

Most of Croatians claim they are not Balkan people, and are offended when someone associates them with the Balkans. xD

[Duke]

I will say one thing - I like Croats. I'm torturing myself with the Serbs, sorry...Croats are mine. They are like Russians, very similar in messages, the same morons and trolls and very frank and not boring. I chose my Balkan Croats. I love the Serbs, but I like the Croats here!

I am sorry but i must say you are missing out, Serbs have the most funny people that ever lived

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUmZKK6dbOQ

[Varda]

Wrong, there are some branches of R1a, I2-Y3120 and even I1 among Serbs which show proto-Serbian migration direction.

R1a-YP4278 - connection with Czechia (TMRCA 1650 ybp); it is branched among Serbs from all regions (peak in Herzegovinian Serbs) https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP4278/
I2-A8741 - connection with Germany (TMRCA 1550 ybp) https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A8741*/
I2-A20333 - connection with German from Poland (TMRCA 1500 ybp) who is obvious descendant of west Slavs/Sorbs https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A20333*/
etc.


Are you a moron?

West Slavs have certain lineages which include Sorbs, Sorbs are genetically west Slavs and closest population to Sorbs are west Poles, not Eastern Slavic Tribes, yet those lineages are not present in modern Serbs, but rather same lineages that came with Croats, Bulgarians, as well as native lineages from Albanians and Greeks.
So tell me like I am 5 year old, from which place actually Serbs came if they are not descended from west Slavic Sorbs according to this new theory you have.

You lost your glasses when i posted that above?

Sorbs today are population of only 60.000 people. Compare genetic of such small community with Serbs who are much more numerous is insane. In the last 1000 years Germans committed several genocides on Sorbs, who knows how much their Y DNA is extinct. Also, a lot of Sorbs are germanized in the last 1000 years, some of them are assimilated in Czechs and Poles.

Serbian name is widespread in toponyms all over Slavic world. According to Pavel Šafarik Serbian name is older than Slavic, and all Slavs once call themselves Serbs. Šafarik is one of the greatest if not the greatest slavist ever.
https://i.ibb.co/VjWJz1S/263011-orig-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/mhp7wx2/6-WC7-Q-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/48WZvZx/toponim-e-ka-5.jpg

[rothaer]

(...) its still the yDNA linages what make west Slavs West Slavs.
Slavs with west Slav lineage moved from Belarus, there is no way around that, because this yDNA lineage is what makes west Slavs.


Women can never be West Slavs? :icon_ask:

[rothaer]

(...) In the last 1000 years Germans committed several genocide on Sorbs,

I considered you a reasonable man. You are damaging your own importance whith such "free style history" statements. :shrug:


who knows how much their Y DNA is extinct. Also, a lot of Sorbs are germanized in the last 1000 years,

Exactly. This is what happened.


some of them are assimilated in Czechs and Poles.

In Czechs... Hmmm. Very few, if so.

However not in Poles, not in today's Poles. The only possible contact between Sorbs and Poles will have been about here (red circles). But these areas were well into the later fully German ethnic area (even where is written "Polnische Stämme"). So if some Sorbs ever became Polonised, they were later eventually Germanised at that areas at abt. 1400/1500 AD. (The tribal names in the 1800 AD map are unchanged from the 1000 AD map and anachronistic as for 1800; 1800 just refers to the extent of Sorbs.)

https://i.imgur.com/HGwiL1k.jpg

[Dušan]

Many CroRats are mythomans.
This retard in parenthesis (https://www.forum.hr/member.php?u=573132) for years on signature had 'Most Slavs come from Croatians, i am not guilty for the stated fact but genes' :picard1:

Their favourite myth is about origin of Krajina Serb - from Serbinaized Vlachs to Serbianized Croats.

Genetics shattered all their myths.

I'm glad I spent 27 euros for G25 coordinates, no regret at all.

Yes, I got that fool Hazmatnik who dislike Krajina and Bosnian Serbs as closest, and half of his family, but it proves our national homogeneity, no matter from what part of ex-Yu we came from.
We are all Serbs by genetics, closest to each other. :thumb001:

[Dick]

I considered you a reasonable man. You are damaging your own importance whith such "free style history" statements. :shrug:



Exactly. This is what happened.



In Czechs... Hmmm. Very few, if so.

However not in Poles, not in today's Poles. The only possible contact between Sorbs and Poles will have been about here (red circles). But these areas were well into the later fully German ethnic area (even where is written "Polnische Stämme"). So if some Sorbs ever become Polonised, they were later eventually Germanised at that areas at abt. 1400/1500 AD. (The tribal names in the 1800 AD map are unchanged from the 1000 AD map; 1800 just refers to the extent of Sorbs.)

https://i.imgur.com/HGwiL1k.jpg

Isn’t Ballack a Sorb? Btw you probably have more offspring than all the remanding Sorb speakers

[ugochaves]

I see Serbs and Croats fighting like babies, waving their diapers, and an adult Russian is watching this. Honestly? I'm just shocked by all this. I'm on my own... I don't care about everyone except God!

[Varda]

Their favourite myth is about origin of Krajina Serb - from Serbinaized Vlachs to Serbianized Croats.

Genetics shattered all their myths.

I'm glad I spent 27 euros for G25 coordinates, no regret at all.

Yes, I got that fool Hazmatnik who dislike Krajina and Bosnian Serbs as closest, and half of his family, but it proves our national homogeneity, no matter from what part of ex-Yu we came from.
We are all Serbs by genetics, closest to each other. :thumb001:

Your Thracian like paleo-Balkanic DNA have nothing to do with migrations from central/eastern Balkans few centuries ago. It is from medieval Vlachs or Dinaric zone whose ancestors arrived there from the more eastern areas in Roman period. Romans replaced Illyrians with Thracians and similar people from the east, when they conquered Illyrian lands, after the long wars they were quite deserted (a lot of Illyrians died in wars against Romans and of plagues). Thracian like instead of Illyrian paleo-Balkanic DNA is a general places for most of the SW Slavs. Except likely migrations from the central/eastern to western Balkans in the Roman period, it is possible that some Vlachs moved from Shopluk to Dinaric zone in 9th century when Shopluk was under attack of Bulgar invaders.

[Sacrificed Ram]

But does "serb" word come from latin "SERVUS"?

[Occiput in Starlight]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374129-Vienna-Berlin-School-vs-New-Romantics

[ugochaves]

But does "serb" word come from latin "SERVUS"?
Что тут происходит? Идиотизм хорватский. Прекратите реагировать на хорватов....

[rothaer]

Isn’t Ballack a Sorb?

He in person not but his surname is indeed etymologically Sorb.


Btw you probably have more offspring than all the remanding Sorb speakers

Not sure if you mean: you rothaer, you Germans or you East Germans. Sure is, however, that 90+% of all genetic offspring of Sorbs in that AD 1000 map is in Germans. I've something like 10-15% of my ancestry from that area which as an educated guess equals abt. 4-7% historical Sorb ancestry. I've also ancestry west of what is shown as the old Sorb territory and that indigenous population there is abt. 30% Slavic in genetics and what else than Sorbs should they have hailed from? Taking that into account, I estimate myself to have 7-10% historical Sorb ancestry.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Что тут происходит? Идиотизм хорватский. Прекратите реагировать на хорватов....

I'm pan-slavic like Bakunin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin).

[Varda]

But does "serb" word come from latin "SERVUS"?

Bullshit. Serbian name is recorded in ancient time and early middle age in the parts of Europe outside of the Roman empire.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Bullshit. Serbian name is recorded in ancient time and early middle age in the parts of Europe outside of the Roman empire.

Really makes more sense.

[Varda]

He in person not but his surname is indeed etymologically Sorb.

Serbs have surname Baljak which is similar as Ballack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljak

Also exist villages Baljci populated only or predominantly with Serbs (Baljci is plural of Baljak)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Bileća
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Ružić
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Tomislavgrad

[rothaer]

Serbs have surname Baljak which is similar as Ballack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljak

Also exist villages Baljci populated only or predominantly with Serbs (Baljci is plural of Baljak)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Bileća
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Ružić
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baljci,_Tomislavgrad

Pretty similar. The onomast Jürgen Udolph (originally a slavist btw.) states it comes ultimately from Balthasar: https://www.saechsische.de/plus/namensforscher-ballack-hat-sorbische-wurzeln-1298425.html

Is the etymology of Baljak considered Slavic or also from Balthasar? The latter would be my guess.

[Occiput in Starlight]

Are there any Germanic surnames in Serbdom?

I don't mean Germanic surnames inherited from modern migrants into Serbia, but surnames inherited from ancestral Germanic language speakers.

[Varda]

Pretty similar. The onomast Jürgen Udolph (originally a slavist btw.) states it comes ultimately from Balthasar: https://www.saechsische.de/plus/namensforscher-ballack-hat-sorbische-wurzeln-1298425.html

Is the etymology of Baljak considered Slavic or also from Balthasar? The latter would be my guess.

I didn't find anything about the etymology of surname Baljak in the Serbian sources. Villages Baljci near Tomislavgrad and in Dalmatia are probably named by Baljci in East Herzegovina. Herzegovinian Baljci belonged to area of Mirilović clan whose members moved to Dalmatia in early 16th century. They also founded village Mirlović Polje near Dalmatian Baljci and Mirlović Zagora near Šibenik.

[CordedWhelp]

Super East Slavic face, about stereotypical Russian-looking. Pretty lady, I'd say Balto-Nordid+something slightly Asiatic/Mordvin. I think it's possible that a little bit of Finno-Ugrian admixture is innate within the East Slavic people (although maybe more Baltic, as far as non-Slavic influence?), from early Iron Age contacts.

[rothaer]

(...) Sure is, however, that 90+% of all genetic offspring of Sorbs in that AD 1000 map is in Germans. I've something like 10-15% of my ancestry from that area which as an educated guess equals abt. 4-7% historical Sorb ancestry. I've also ancestry west of what is shown as the old Sorb territory and that indigenous population there is abt. 30% Slavic in genetics and what else than Sorbs should they have hailed from? Taking that into account, I estimate myself to have 7-10% historical Sorb ancestry.

This is a good and enlightening map. Brown colour refers to linguistical Sorbs.

https://i.imgur.com/W2YO8rx.jpg

[Dick]

Are there any Germanic surnames in Serbdom?

I don't mean Germanic surnames inherited from modern migrants into Serbia, but surnames inherited from ancestral Germanic language speakers.

Živojinović (Lifeson)



https://youtu.be/P8_Gj5AZ8IA

[NSXD60]

65% PIE, 35 Mongol

[Sacrificed Ram]

https://sun9-8.userapi.com/c837235/v837235827/3ef0f/v2wpOWuy7l8.jpg

https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c852220/v852220255/18c5e3/aejxftnbhmg.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308877-Classify-redhair-Russian-Udmurt-girl-%28bit-Bashkir%29

[sevruk]

Look like Sharapova+Kurnikova

[Duke]

This is a good and enlightening map. Brown colour refers to linguistical Sorbs.

https://i.imgur.com/W2YO8rx.jpg

Thanks for the map, I made some adjustments to make it a bit clearer in terms of "funky Sorbs from Belarus" in east Germany
https://i.postimg.cc/kMRZNNX2/hahaha.jpg

Dušane, you can now fully enjoy your signature
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Distribution_of_Croatian_ethnonym_in_the_Middle_Ag es.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/50/ef/6a50ef0fa92f801514fe2abaca80f385.gif

[andrzej]

The woman in the original post would have a mongoloid admixture comparable to Finns from Finland.

Komi, Chuvash and Udmurts are way more mongoloid and darker-pigmented.

Does that change that there are many Permians and other Finnic people around the Volga that look like that? She's lighter than the average Russian anyways, so your logic doesn't make sense.

Outside of Belarusian, certain Russian minorities, and Ukrainian, I would she she could also pass as Polish, but I think she looks too Eastern for Scandinavian.

[Occiput in Starlight]

I think the only part of Europe where the blondism would really turn one's head is the Baltic region.

[andrzej]

Proto-Serbs are from modern eastern Germany, but they settled there from Eastern Europe, after Germanics fled that area from Avars.

Krakauer Berg samples are ancient samples of proto-Serbs.
They are autosomaly similar to Russians, Belarusians and Ukarinians.

https://i.imgur.com/Zx6ofpQ.png

By the 6th century, Slavs occupied the area west of the Oder formerly inhabited by Germanic peoples. According to the Frankish 7th-century CE Chronicle of Fredegar the Surbi (Sorbs) lived in the Saale-Elbe valley, having settled in the Thuringian part of Francia since the second half of the 6th century CE or beginning of the 7th century CE and were vassals of the Merovingian dynasty. The Saale-Elbe line marked the approximate limit of Slavic westward migration

Slavs were never a homogenous population, fyi. They were a confraternity of people, which included people they assimilated like certain Iranic tribes.

[ugochaves]

I think the only part of Europe where the blondism would really turn one's head is the Baltic region.
The Baltic region consists of three villages and two blondes chasing a rolling field. Blonde hair will turn your head in Scandinavia. There are few blondes in Russia, mostly light brown.

[ugochaves]

I dislike this look.
You don't like the Eastern Slavs, everyone understands that. I think you're afraid of us. And this girl is pretty enough-but not my taste, I like dark types and brown-eyed. This girl was identified as a Mongoloid, although her Mongoloid is 0%. She is a nordid (narrow long face) + baltid (plump cheeks). Eyes without tilt, nose straight, thin, protruding. You Europeans are afraid of these East Slavic eyes that Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians and Mordvins have. Such eyes are found in all Russians and Eastern Slavs and are sometimes found in Poles. Even your beloved Vandor has a Russian look. Although he is a bit of a Mongoloid) I want you to be together after all!

[Occiput in Starlight]

There are few blondes in Russia, mostly light brown.

I was thinking about Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians.

[Occiput in Starlight]

Would Finland's blondism exceed the Baltic states?

[andrzej]

Finns are much blonder than Lithuanians at least.

[Occiput in Starlight]

Isn't it true that academics don't use the term, "Slavic genetics"?

[Occiput in Starlight]

Finns are much blonder than Lithuanians at least.

I think they would be my guess for blondest Europeans.

[Occiput in Starlight]

Lithuanians/Latvians blondism is on a German-Russian axis.

Estonians may well be compared to Scandinavians and Finns.

I was thinking about my post and I realised I should have placed the Finnic speakers above (blonder than) the Baltic ones.

[ugochaves]

Isn't it true that academics don't use the term, "Slavic genetics"?
The Balts are an isolate, everything is clear here. Slavs are very different, and the homeland of their ancestors is unclear.

[Occiput in Starlight]

The Balts are an isolate, everything is clear here. Slavs are very different, and the homeland of their ancestors is unclear.

The impression I have is that they don't use terms like "Slavic genetics", "Germanic genetics" etc because they don't believe in such concepts.

[Jana]

Krakauer Berg samples have nothing with CroRats, these are samples of local Slavs who had lived in these areas.

Kroatberg? :rotfl You are ridiculous.

They are not Sorbs either, ask rothaer.

[Zohor]

You don't like the Eastern Slavs, everyone understands that. I think you're afraid of us. And this girl is pretty enough-but not my taste, I like dark types and brown-eyed. This girl was identified as a Mongoloid, although her Mongoloid is 0%. She is a nordid (narrow long face) + baltid (plump cheeks). Eyes without tilt, nose straight, thin, protruding. You Europeans are afraid of these East Slavic eyes that Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians and Mordvins have. Such eyes are found in all Russians and Eastern Slavs and are sometimes found in Poles. Even your beloved Vandor has a Russian look. Although he is a bit of a Mongoloid) I want you to be together after all!

I don't know what is your drug, but keep it far away please

[Jana]

Unlike Croats who are strange artificial mix of kajkavians and štokavians who are very different to each other, we are very homogenous natural nation.

Nope. All old organic nations have genetic and linguistic diversity except geographic isolates like Irish.

Serbs are pretty homogenous but not for the reasons you think. Serbs are homogenous because they originate from very small core population that consolidated and had population explosion during centuries under Ottoman Empire. Among Krajina Serbs several lineages with very recent tmrca make almost 1/4 to 1/3 of total ydna which means there are many men descending from few founding "tribes".

This is not the case among Croats.

[Jana]

Its not only about dialects, but about genetics also.
Kajkavian Croats are more closer to Czechs and Slovaks than to southern štokavian Croats. :D

Kajkavian Croats had different ethnogenesis than rest of Croats. Now, you are much closer to non Štokavian Croats and Bosniaks than to Serbs from Montenegro and eastern Herzegovina xD

[Jana]

That is just a way to justify you have nothing to do with west Slavs in present day, there is no historical document about that claim whatsoever.
So ill play along, if Sorbs are not original tribe of balkan Serbs like historical documents say, who are then, which east Slavic tribe is originator of Serbs?

they tried claining Carpathian region and Rusyns too because modern Serbs have ydna macthes among them, lol

[ugochaves]

I don't know what is your drug, but keep it far away please
https://i.ibb.co/z6Znk4c/IMG-20230623-130503-996.jpg (https://ibb.co/SfBsL3T)

[Jana]

BTW, one guy i know is half Croat half Albanian, take a guess where he plots and who are his closest people?

I had such a friend, he's DNA tested. Kosovo Albanian (Catholic) father and mother is Croat from Tomislavgrad. He plots with Montenegrins and Vlachs from eastern Serbia.

[Jana]

...

Terrible shoes, I'm sorry.

[Jana]

Šafarik is one of the greatest if not the greatest slavist ever.

Šafarik is a joke, not much above level of your local linguists.

[ugochaves]

Terrible shoes, I'm sorry.
https://i.ibb.co/bmdKsZJ/IMG-20230623-131744-492.jpg (https://ibb.co/zxf4XYJ)
https://i.ibb.co/yqMmy97/IMG-20230623-131914-795.jpg (https://ibb.co/JHbW71g)

[Jana]

^^^^gay

and your car is dirty. You need to work on your life ugochaves.

[ugochaves]

^^^^gay

and your car is dirty. You need to work on your life ugochaves.
Eh, I wanted to impress you with my Skoda rapid) Vandor has a clean Lamborghini.

[Varda]

Thanks for the map, I made some adjustments to make it a bit clearer in terms of "funky Sorbs from Belarus" in east Germany
https://i.postimg.cc/kMRZNNX2/hahaha.jpg

Dušane, you can now fully enjoy your signature
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Distribution_of_Croatian_ethnonym_in_the_Middle_Ag es.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/50/ef/6a50ef0fa92f801514fe2abaca80f385.gif

Early medieval Croatians were Turkic people who conquered few Slavic tribes and they adopted Croatian name.

[Dušan]

Kajkavian Croats had different ethnogenesis than rest of Croats.

Now, you are much closer to non Štokavian Croats and Bosniaks than to Serbs from Montenegro and eastern Herzegovina xD

Of course, when they are different people than štokavians, so they have different ethnogenesis.

All Serbs have the same ethnogenesis. Similar to them are some islamized and catholicized Serbs, who are now Bosniaks and Croats.


Distance to: Dušan_scaled
0.02499539 Serbian:hazmatnik(50%Sumadija50%SESerbia)_scaled
0.02586799 Serbian:hazmatnik_pat_aunt_Mimika(Sumadija)_scaled
0.02711757 Serbian: Decius(Serb) - Krajina Serb
0.02879826 Serbian:hazmatnik_mat_gmother_Milka_scaled
0.03041659 Serbian: Prosigoj(Serb)
0.03094068 Romanian:Andre(Romanian)
0.03189280 Croatian:Renato_scaled - I guess Dalmatia or Herzegovina???
0.03198819 Croatian:Zarko_scaled(Dubrovnik_reference) - Catholic Serb from Dubrovnik :eek:
0.03298279 Serbian:hazmatnik_mat_aunt_Irena(SESerbia)_scaled
0.03309224 Serbian:hazmatnik_pat_gmother_Desanka(Sumadija)_sc aled
0.03389396 Serbian: Dick(Serb)
0.03494349 Serbian:Tie_red_mother_scaled(Krajina_Serb)
0.03542582 Ukrainian:Geborgenheit_mother(Ukrainian)
0.03608491 Serbian:Ford(Serb)
0.03630138 Serbian:hazmatnik_mat_gfather_Miodrag_scaled

[Varda]

Original Croatians were branch of Turkic White Ogurs http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/20Roots/Horvat/KaratayO2003CroatsEn.htm

https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/1613076817405-png.859302/

[Victor]

Eh, I wanted to impress you with my Skoda rapid) Vandor has a clean Lamborghini.

I've sold my car in 2021, gonna buy after moving out of Moscow. Why do you always relate me to yourself, now in a topic about Russian tennis player? Are we some relatives or rivals? I read similar stuff almost every evening, that's hilarious xD

[ugochaves]

I've sold my car in 2021, gonna buy after moving out of Moscow. Why do you always relate me to yourself, now in a topic about Russian tennis player? Are we some relatives or rivals? I read similar stuff almost every evening, that's hilarious xD

That's right, it's fun, but I'm not having fun today...come on, don't drive nonsense, she liked you....I can see it. I don't like Fiichi as a woman, as an object of trolling norms. I have a Polish muse. I won't say who it is.

[Varda]

Croatians worship satanic papacy and they are faithful servants of the papacy. Papacy is evil which dealt the biggest blows to humanity in history.


https://youtu.be/JC97RKuT8G8

[Jana]

Russian (ugochaves) and Serbian ( varda) retards added to ignore list.

[Victor]

Croatians worship satanic papacy and they are faithful servants of the papacy. Papacy is evil which dealt the biggest blows to humanity in history.

Papacy is not satanic, yes it's heretical by dogmatical teachings of Orthodoxy, but a regular Catholic is not a follower of satanism for us. Major contradictions are fake role of Pope as sinless head of the Church, no one living can be sinless, head of Church is Christ himself and all the rest are bishops, like Pope was just a Bishop of Rome for centuries. Also, the heretical Filioque is an issue, just like other stuff like immaculate conception of the Virgin. We recognize sacrament of Catholic Baptismal aswell, recognizing their apostolic succession. The real satanism is not Catholicism or Ecumenism, but a Sincretism. In your Balkan reality it would sound like "Brat mi mio, koje vere bio" like no matter the religion but identity is first.

Anyway, there's no salvation out of Orthodox Church.

[rothaer]

You don't like the Eastern Slavs, everyone understands that. I think you're afraid of us. And this girl is pretty enough-but not my taste, I like dark types and brown-eyed. This girl was identified as a Mongoloid, although her Mongoloid is 0%. She is a nordid (narrow long face) + baltid (plump cheeks). Eyes without tilt, nose straight, thin, protruding. You Europeans are afraid of these East Slavic eyes that Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians and Mordvins have. Such eyes are found in all Russians and Eastern Slavs and are sometimes found in Poles. Even your beloved Vandor has a Russian look. Although he is a bit of a Mongoloid) I want you to be together after all!

Early assessments of east baltids were that they were a nordid-mongolid mixture. This was later not maintained. Also Hans F. K. Günther changed his mind in his books regarding that in the 1920s with number of motivations. Genetics confirm this btw. As is known today the nordid type is more a secondary type, shaped by the notable influx of ENF while east baltid populations have more of the original WHG/EHG population.

[rothaer]

(...)
Serbian name is widespread in toponyms all over Slavic world. According to Pavel Šafarik Serbian name is older than Slavic, and all Slavs once call themselves Serbs. (...)
https://i.ibb.co/VjWJz1S/263011-orig-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/mhp7wx2/6-WC7-Q-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/48WZvZx/toponim-e-ka-5.jpg

These maps IMO strongly suggest that it's applicable what you state.

This in turn suggests that there is no indication of Sorbs and Serbs having a direct connection more than both being Slavs.

When the earliest sources speak about Serbs and Croats on the Balkans that may have meant simply Slavs and a functional Iranic or Turkic derived and soon Slavicised genetically border guard caste of the Avar Empire. It is striking that the Croatian name is found everywhere on the periphery of the Avar Empire, but not in its centre. Admittedly, a theory just.

[Varda]

These maps IMO strongly suggest that it's applicable what you state.

This in turn suggests that there is no indication of Sorbs and Serbs having a direct connection more than both being Slavs.

When the earliest sources speak about Serbs and Croats on the Balkans that may have meant simply Slavs and a functional Iranic or Turkic derived and soon Slavicised genetically border guard caste of the Avar Empire. It is striking that the Croatian name is found everywhere on the periphery of the Avar Empire, but not in its centre. Admittedly, a theory just.

For the origin of Croatian ethnonym there is a Iranic, Turkic and Slavic theory, and for Serbian Iranic and Slavic. According to Slavic theory Serb in proto-Slavic means brother or tribesman. Slavic people before Slavic name is created possible call each other serbs in meaning brothers/tribesmen/close related people. If am not wrong Šafarik was on that line.

Among some Serbian autochtonists exist theory that old Slavic society was divided in castes. Serbs were warrior caste, Rašani/Russians were and agricultural caste, and Wends/Veneti were merchant caste.

[Varda]

This is interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sârbă


https://youtu.be/ms6m0Kev2v0

[Russki]

Early assessments of east baltids were that they were a nordid-mongolid mixture. This was later not maintained. Also Hans F. K. Günther changed his mind in his books regarding that in the 1920s with number of motivations. Genetics confirm this btw. As is known today the nordid type is more a secondary type, shaped by the notable influx of ENF while east baltid populations have more of the original WHG/EHG population.


WHG and EHG were dolichocephalic.

[Immanenz]

WHG and EHG were dolichocephalic.

There was also brachycephalic skulls- like some West Asians can be brachycephalic as well. Actually the largest brachycephalic skull recorded by dimension was found in the Steppes- so neither WHG nor Mongols can claim that.

[Token]

There was also brachycephalic skulls- like some West Asians can be brachycephalic as well. Actually the largest brachycephalic skull recorded by dimension was found in the Steppes- so neither WHG nor Mongols can claim that.

Which one?

[Russki]

There was also brachycephalic skulls- like some West Asians can be brachycephalic as well. Actually the largest brachycephalic skull recorded by dimension was found in the Steppes- so neither WHG nor Mongols can claim that.


Sure, but the Neolithic skulls from Central Europe are brachycephalic in majority, whereas the earlier WHG inhabitants of the area were in majority dolichocephalic.

[Immanenz]

Which one?

Well, i lost the link- but it was a tweet about cranial dimensions of Mechta Afalou and someone posted this supposedly "largest brachycephalic skull". The skull however was pretty much fully Cro-Magnid and not East Baltic.

[Immanenz]

Sure, but the Neolithic skulls from Central Europe are brachycephalic in majority, whereas the earlier WHG inhabitants of the area were in majority dolichocephalic.

Neolithic skulls of western part of Central Europe showed great variation of Cephalic Index, but thats about it.

[Russki]

Neolithic skulls of western part of Central Europe showed great variation of Cephalic Index, but thats about it.


They were more brachycephalic on average than WHG skulls from the same area. Simple as that.

[Immanenz]

They were more brachycephalic on average than WHG skulls from the same area. Simple as that.

So suddenly its "the average is more brachy"? It does not even matter because the majority of the dolicephalic Neolitihc skulls were Mediterranean anyway, so yeah there was a good degree of population replacement.

Those Upper Paleolithic Central Europea skulls were usually large in all dimensions:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201431

[Russki]

So suddenly its "the average is more brachy"? It does not even matter because the majority of the dolicephalic Neolitihc skulls were Mediterranean anyway, so yeah there was a good degree of population replacement.


Mediterranean and Alpine ones.

A mixture of dolichocephalic WHG with dolichocephalic Anatolians produced brachycephalic Alpines for some reason.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297965-Average-skull-dimensions-from-various-sites



Those Upper Paleolithic Central Europea skulls were usually large in all dimensions:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201431


Skulls decreased in all dimensions during the Neolithic.

[Token]

Mediterranean and Alpine ones.

A mixture of dolichocephalic WHG with dolichocephalic Anatolians produced brachycephalic Alpines for some reason.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297965-Average-skull-dimensions-from-various-sites
There were brachycephalic "WHG" groups in the Mesolithic living in broadly the same region as modern-day "Alpines", before the Anatolians came in.

[Token]

Well, i lost the link- but it was a tweet about cranial dimensions of Mechta Afalou and someone posted this supposedly "largest brachycephalic skull". The skull however was pretty much fully Cro-Magnid and not East Baltic.

That's fine, but did it include the measurements? An image is not enough to affirm that it was the largest brachycephalic skull ever found.

[Varda]

Papacy is not satanic, yes it's heretical by dogmatical teachings of Orthodoxy, but a regular Catholic is not a follower of satanism for us. Major contradictions are fake role of Pope as sinless head of the Church, no one living can be sinless, head of Church is Christ himself and all the rest are bishops, like Pope was just a Bishop of Rome for centuries. Also, the heretical Filioque is an issue, just like other stuff like immaculate conception of the Virgin. We recognize sacrament of Catholic Baptismal aswell, recognizing their apostolic succession. The real satanism is not Catholicism or Ecumenism, but a Sincretism. In your Balkan reality it would sound like "Brat mi mio, koje vere bio" like no matter the religion but identity is first.

Anyway, there's no salvation out of Orthodox Church.

Leading circles of Roman church were behind the genocide committed by Croatians (ustaše) against the Serbs west of Drina river in WW2 https://orthochristian.com/114594.html
Ustaše were clerical nazis close related with Roman church. Their goal was extermination of the Serbs and Orthodoxy in NDH according to model of Mile Budak - 1/3 kill, 1/3 expel, and 1/3 convert to Catholics and assimilate in Croatians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile_Budak
Hundreds of Catholic priests directly participated in genocide against Serbs in NDH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Ustaše
Catholic church transferred a lot of ustašian criminals to Argentina, USA, Canada etc. in 1945 through so-called ratlines.

[Immanenz]

That's fine, but did it include the measurements? An image is not enough to affirm that it was the largest brachycephalic skull ever found.

Yes he did- unf. i cannot find the link, its out there somewhere on twitter on one of those reconstruction twitter pages.

[Veslan]

Neo-Danubian (Ladogan element predominance)
To be honest, If you told me she was Swedish, I would believe you.

[ugochaves]

Neo-Danubian (Ladogan element predominance)
To be honest, If you told me she was Swedish, I would believe you.

You don't understand classifications at all. The Neodunai Swede is lol! She is an obvious nordid+baltid with Slavic eyes. To confuse her with a Swedish woman-you have to be very unprofessional

[ugochaves]

Neo-Danubian (Ladogan element predominance)
To be honest, If you told me she was Swedish, I would believe you.

Ladogan is an Asian phenotype. The Russians have a maximum of 1%, the Swedes have none at all.
https://i.ibb.co/CMRhByV/Screenshot-20230624-133639.jpg (https://ibb.co/xfxJhbz)

[Thorn]

West Baltid