Albanian Illustrative DNA results

[Tenn]

Cannot really believe I paid for this crap, told me nothing new. Gonna delete this crap immediately but whatever. So I got like 62% Illyrian/Paeonian , they are samples that overlap with each other and can be added together. 38.6 Illyrian + 23.6% Paeonian = 62% IA Balkan.


EDIT: Turns out you can change the settings on this thing, so with only 3 ancient populations gives me around 60% Illyrian:

https://i.postimg.cc/mRLtzJp1/Bilde-2023-06-23-185935848.png

With Paeonian:

Fit: 0.822 (Very Good)

https://i.postimg.cc/gcQrYSvk/Bilde-2023-06-23-162229937.png


Removing Paeonian usually gives more Illyrian or vice versa. One calc I got about 60% Illyrian when Paeonian was removed or the other way around. They could be cousins with Illyrian samples based on snps shared.



From the Roman period, 80% Roman Illyrian:



https://i.postimg.cc/Sx0rzGpm/Bilde-2023-06-23-162713952.png



When using Thracian + Paeonian or their East Balkan options:


Paeonian (750–100 BC)40.6%

Thracian (1100–200 BC)25.8%

Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)21.6%

Anatolian (780–30 BC)9.2%

Phoenician (1000–330 BC)1.8%

Sarmatian (530–250 BC)1.0%





Which of course is unrealistic since it only includes East Balkan but still realistic as it gives less Anatolian. When Both East Balkan and West Balkan are added together I got mostly Illyrian/Paeonian + Thracian and much less Anatolian which
seems the most realistic.

[Tenn]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9MGtSZH/cl.jpg

[Tenn]

I am waiting for my mixed mode breakdown

[Tenn]

Closest modern populations:

#
POPULATION
DISTANCE
1 North Macedonian 1.775
2 Greek (East Macedonia and Thrace) 1.883
3 Greek (Central Macedonia) 1.928
4 Albanian 1.954
5 Italian (Piedmont) 2.085
6 Swiss (Italian) 2.123
7 Italian (Veneto) 2.162
8 Greek (Thessaly) 2.174
9 Italian (Friuli Venezia Giulia) 2.282
10 Italian (Tuscany) 2.506
11 Italian (Trentino-Alto Adige) 2.657
12 Gagauz 2.679
13 Balkan Turk (North Macedonia) 2.682
14 Italian (Liguria) 2.906
15 Bulgarian 2.927
16 Greek (Central Greece) 2.955
17 Greek (Peloponnese) 2.976
18 Italian (Lombardy) 3.034
19 Italian (Marche) 3.119
20 Italian (Umbria) 3.286
21 Corsican 3.349
22 Romanian 3.533
23 French Occitan (Provence) 3.718
24 Italian (Lazio) 3.766
25 Montenegrin 3.970
26 Italian (Molise) 3.970
27 Balkan Turk (Thessaly) 3.974
28 Italian (Aosta Valley) 4.023
29 Italian (Abruzzo) 4.119
30 Catalan (Baleares) 4.196

[eastern]

Illustrative DNA was horrible for me too. Made zero sense. I see that it works quite well for Europeans as always, specifically North/west europeans and iberians but....anything else usually isnt too accurate. Doesn't work too well for some mixed people.

[Far_away]

You have very nice % of slavic and you hate slavs.... oh life irony :eek:

[Jana]

Lmao you are less Illyrian than me xD

[Dušan]

Illustrative DNA was horrible for me too. Made zero sense. I see that it works quite well for Europeans as always, specifically North/west europeans and iberians but....anything else usually isnt too accurate. Doesn't work too well for some mixed people.

For me Illustrative DNA was great, I am very satisfied.

[MandM]

Nice results

[Tenn]

Turns out you can change the settings on this thing, so with only 3 ancient populations gives me around 60% Illyrian:

https://i.postimg.cc/mRLtzJp1/Bilde-2023-06-23-185935848.png

[Tenn]

So basically every time I remove Paeonian (or samples from ancient North Macedonia) on this I get around 60% Iron Age Illyrian. Samples from North Macedonia were similar to Illyrians from Albania.

[Tenn]

https://i.postimg.cc/nh7yzxPh/Bilde-2023-06-23-192132396.png

[Tenn]

Modern populations:

Fit: 0.858
2.
Greek (Central Macedonia)53.5%

Italian (Veneto)46.5%



Fit: 0.804

Greek (Central Macedonia)71.6%

Swiss (French)28.4%

[Jana]

Turns out you can change the settings on this thing, so with only 3 ancient populations gives me around 60% Illyrian:

https://i.postimg.cc/mRLtzJp1/Bilde-2023-06-23-185935848.png

manipulating the result thus irrelevant.

[Far_away]

manipulating the result thus irrelevant.

Thats right, just wanted to write this

[Far_away]

this is my results, way more illyrian than you ;) never cared that much about this but man, you Albos are annoying with these who were here first and stuff. Stop creating hateful threads about Serbs and Slavs.
Have you no better things to do?

https://i.ibb.co/qDT5p63/d.png

[Tenn]

Paeonian (750–100 BC)40.6%

Thracian (1100–200 BC)25.8%

Balto-Slavic (900–350 BC)21.6%

Anatolian (780–30 BC)9.2%

Phoenician (1000–330 BC)1.8%

Sarmatian (530–250 BC)1.0%











Using also samples from other parts of the Balkans gives much less Anatolian actually , here I got only 9% which in fact is much more realistic. they have seperated west balkan and east balkan but they have calculators for both.


So If I add Thracian and other stuff still gives Illyrian/Paeonian + Thracian and reduces Anatolian . Doesn't seem like Roman imperials had that much genetic impact, 20+% goes quickly down to 10% when other samples from the Balkans are added.

[Tenn]

manipulating the result thus irrelevant.

No, it is not called manipulation of the results as they are samples that overlap and are autosomally similar with the samples found in Albania. They have just been labeled as 'Paeonian' but were found in North Macedonia. This can be proven through PCA Map and Snps they share with other Western Balkan samples. They could be cousins based on the SNPS they share with West Balkan samples. Central Balkans was inhabited by an Illyrian or Thrako-Illyrian population too and where historically an Albanian population lived so part of the Albanian genome might of also originated there and not just in Albania. In Albania we only have J2b2 and R1b.
Not sure why you take this as me trying to manipulate things ? Linguists claim the Albanian language was spoken there too as the town name Scupi -> Shkup which was the Dardanian capital at one point.

The manipulation here is what you are doing where you claim that you are 45% Illyrian which you are obviously not since you barely get 35% Roman Illyria. Iron Age ancestry from such a population should be less compared to the Roman age.



this is my results, way more illyrian than you ;) never cared that much about this but man, you Albos are annoying with these who were here first and stuff. Stop creating hateful threads about Serbs and Slavs.
Have you no better things to do?

https://i.ibb.co/qDT5p63/d.png

No, you are most definitely not more Illyrian. You're some I2a Slav while I'm J2b2. That calculator you used uses only samples from the Western Balkans. So of course it automatically assigns Illyrian. You need to use other samples or Roman Illyria and of course the Iron Age ancestry from such a population should be much less for you just like it is for her. She barely gets 35% Roman Illyria.

I get more Illyrian than you and I get more Roman Illyria and I get closer distance to the IA and my Y-DNa is actually J2b2. I don't care about Illyrian , I did not open this thread only for that . The Albanian language wasn't just spoken there but was spoken at the Thrako-Illyrian contact zone too.


Yes, Albos were most definitely here first, proven through genetics, language, y-dna (among Illyrians we got some of the most numerous Albanian lineages) etc and nowhere did I create hateful thread of Serbs. Linguists claim the Albanian language developed in these areas and there lived an Albanian population in these areas before Serbs. Taking this as an insult shows what a miserable loser you are.


Albos are mostly native Balkan with some smaller Roman Imperial + Slavic.

[Tenn]

The calc in you posted uses only Western Balkan samples. Use other samples of the Balkans. You'll see most of you people aren't that Illyrian. Your distances are crap too. My distances are better.


The samples in North Macedonoia which have been labeled as Paeonian overlap with Illyrians and it is what Central Balkan profiles
of Dardanians should look something similar.


Also the results of these calcs don't always reflect ancestry but rather the best fit.

[Tenn]

manipulating the result thus irrelevant.

Nope, that one isn't manipulating the results. Changing calculator settings isn't manipulation. The calculator looks for the best fit based on 3 ancient populations.


And again my distances to these popualtions are very good, your distances are crap.

[Tenn]

You can see North Macedonian/Paeonian samples here overlap with Illyrians and as such Albos get assigned Paeonian because they plot just east of these:


https://i.postimg.cc/y8pW8mC2/Bilde-2022-10-14-095345715.png

[Tenn]

BUMP

[Tenn]

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[Tenn]

this is my results, way more illyrian than you ;) never cared that much about this but man, you Albos are annoying with these who were here first and stuff. Stop creating hateful threads about Serbs and Slavs.
Have you no better things to do?

[img]https://i.ibb.co/qDT5p63/d.png[/ig]

You're more Illyrian in an alternative universe where pigs have learnt to fly my friend


1. The calculator you are using doesn't include all Balkan samples (Someone like you should not get even 40% Iron Age Illyria)

2. Your distances are crap

3. I get more Illyrian / Paeonian

4. I get more Roman Illyrian

5. My distances are better to both Roman Illyrians and Iron Age populations , no matter the calculator settings.

6. My Y-DNA is Illyrian / Native Balkan, yours is Slavic.


You're some Slav with some Slavic Y-DNA who has Albanian/Aromanian/Romanian autosomal DNA from mixing. There were no Illyrians by the time you people arrived, mostly Romans, Vlachs and Albanians. You're the ones who are annoying here. There are no serious genetic research or linguists that claim you were here first. Quite the opposite.


Nobody is making hateful threads of Serbs you incompetent clown, showing that Albanians lived in Serbia before Serbs isn't a hateful thread . Not our problem you clowns monopolized everything.

[Tenn]

And here we have a PCA Map of Illyrians from North Albania (Alb_Cinamak_Anc + Cetina Bronze Age from Croatia) , Iron Age / Bronze Age samples from North Macedonia (MKD_ANC) and Medieval samples from Albania (ALB_MDV) + Modern Albanians + Early Slav:

https://i.ibb.co/1XjH3Qq/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-3.png


As we have seen by all the evidence, the autosomal profile of native Balkan people was shifted more to the South-East. Even in Slovenia. Not sure how some Slav is supposed to be more Iron Age Western Balkan.

[Jana]

The manipulation here is what you are doing where you claim that you are 45% Illyrian which you are obviously not since you barely get 35% Roman Illyria. Iron Age ancestry from such a population should be less compared to the Roman age.

Roman Illyria are not Illyrians, they were diluted with East Med input. Only manipulation are those coming from you, because unlike you I never altered settings and these are results I got.

You are altering setttings to get result you want. Pathetic.

[Tenn]

1. Nowhere did I claim that Albos are 100% Illyrian or majority Illyrian whatsoever, you keep reeking every thread with your insecurities.

2. Illyrians or West-Central Balkan groups clearly played a role in the formation of proto-Albanians , the samples in Macedonia overlap but are on average more East , they are cousins with some of these samples found in Croatia based on snps shared. Albos derive a part of their ancestry from these Iron Age populations + Thracian, Greek etc


For Balkan Slavs it should be much less. Samples from Southern Albania are yet to be published.

[Far_away]

You're more Illyrian in an alternative universe where pigs have learnt to fly my friend


1. The calculator you are using doesn't include all Balkan samples (Someone like you should not get even 40% Iron Age Illyria)

2. Your distances are crap

3. I get more Illyrian / Paeonian

4. I get more Roman Illyrian

5. My distances are better to both Roman Illyrians and Iron Age populations , no matter the calculator settings.

6. My Y-DNA is Illyrian / Native Balkan, yours is Slavic.


You're some Slav with some Slavic Y-DNA who has Albanian/Aromanian/Romanian autosomal DNA from mixing. There were no Illyrians by the time you people arrived, mostly Romans, Vlachs and Albanians. You're the ones who are annoying here. There are no serious genetic research or linguists that claim you were here first. Quite the opposite.


Nobody is making hateful threads of Serbs you incompetent clown, showing that Albanians lived in Serbia before Serbs isn't a hateful thread . Not our problem you clowns monopolized everything.

So you are going to teach me how to use calculator? you the ones who manipulate it to become more "illyrian?
i never changed anything i got what i got and thats that, no manipulation like you. Well for distance it says "Good" :)
You get more Paeonian not Illyrian.
Never mixed with Albanians, you are first time mention in 11 century and then only in area what is now "Albania"

[Tenn]

Illyrians were mostly J-L283, R-CTS1450 and R-PF7563 which make about 35%-45% of the Albanian Y-DNA . Not sure how some dude with a Slavic Y-DNa and who comes from a population of mostly I2a1b , R1a is supposed to be more Illyrian. Especially taking into consideration that the autosomal profile of native Balkan people did not even look like that when the Slavs arrived. South-East Euro/Post-Roman ancestry simply shifted you south towards these samples.

Albanians are mostly native Balkan, Illyrian, Thracian, Epirote etc.

[Tenn]

manipulating the result thus irrelevant.

Once again, nobody is manipulating any results. Some of the most numerous Albanian Y-DNA come from this population and a good chunk of the Albanian autosomal DNA. You're some loser who is butthurt over this fact so you chimp out and shit every thread wanting to so badly be Illyrian like these Servs . Central Balkan populations were similar to these samples, a bit more South-East. And we might get E-V13 there and R1b and other linages. We got other native Balkan ancestry like Epirote, Thracian too etc . We're mostly native Balkan.


Do the math clown, You get 33% Roman Illyria therefore Iron Age ancestry from Croatia cannot be more than 25% for you. Even less. And obviously not 45%.

[Tenn]

Albanian language is related to Messapic and Illyrian:



Messapic forms part of the Paleo-Balkan languages. Based upon lexical similarities with the Illyrian languages, some scholars contend that Messapic may have developed from a dialect of pre-Illyrian, meaning that it would have diverged substantially from the Illyrian language(s) spoken in the Balkans by the 5th century BC, while others considered it a direct dialect of Iron Age Illyrian. Messapic is today considered an independent language and not a dialect of Illyrian. Although the unclear interpretation of Messapic inscriptions cannot warrant the placement of Messapic in any specific Indo-European subfamily,[12] some scholars place Illyrian and Messapic in the same branch. Eric Hamp has grouped them under "Messapo-Illyrian", which is further grouped with Albanian under "Adriatic Indo-European".[13] Other schemes group the three languages under "General Illyrian" and "Western Paleo-Balkan".[14]

A number of shared features between Messapic and Proto-Albanian may have emerged either as a result of linguistic contacts between Proto-Messapic and Pre-Proto-Albanian within the Balkan peninsula in prehistoric times, or of a closer relation as shown by the quality of the correspondences in the lexical area and shared innovations between Messapic and Albanian.[15] Hyllested & Joseph (2022) identify Messapic as the closest language to Albanian, with which it forms a common branch titled Illyric. Hyllested & Joseph (2022) in agreement with recent bibliography identify Greco-Phrygian as the IE branch closest to the Albanian-Messapic one. These two branches form an areal grouping - which is often called "Balkan IE" - with Armenian.[16]

[Far_away]

Once again, nobody is manipulating any results. Some of the most numerous Albanian Y-DNA come from this population and a good chunk of the Albanian autosomal DNA. You're some loser who is butthurt over this fact so you chimp out and shit every thread wanting to so badly be Illyrian like these Servs . Central Balkan populations were similar to these samples, a bit more South-East. And we might get E-V13 there and R1b and other linages. We got other native Balkan ancestry like Epirote, Thracian too etc . We're mostly native Balkan.


Do the math clown, You get 33% Roman Illyria therefore Iron Age ancestry from Croatia cannot be more than 25% for you. Even less. And obviously not 45%.

"wanting to so badly be Illyrian like these Servs" says you the one who manipulate results, you are no 60% illyrian but 38.6% Illyrian ;)
you do have native balkan genes nobody says you don't but majority does not comes from Illyrians like south slavs that score. Why is this hard to understand? You delete paeonian and ofc then it will give you more illyrian it is like i would delte Anatolian and get more Illyrian but that is manipulation not real results

you also talked about distance well you score North Macedonian as first and Greek as second so you are not Albanian? you don't know how this work

you would score more balkan but your whole % of balkan is combination of Thracians,Greek,Paeonians, and little Illyrians while our would be just Illyrians

You Albos always politicize history that is the problem. Your people always brag how they know what "Illyrian" mean some of your people told me it means "star" some "freedom" you can't even settle between yourselfs and it is funny because "Illyrians" NEVER called themself and saw themself like that.

Also you asked how would we score well go on and ask creator of that site. Stop crying about our results.

[Loki]

Once again, nobody is manipulating any results. Some of the most numerous Albanian Y-DNA come from this population and a good chunk of the Albanian autosomal DNA. You're some loser who is butthurt over this fact so you chimp out and shit every thread wanting to so badly be Illyrian like these Servs . Central Balkan populations were similar to these samples, a bit more South-East. And we might get E-V13 there and R1b and other linages. We got other native Balkan ancestry like Epirote, Thracian too etc . We're mostly native Balkan.


Do the math clown, You get 33% Roman Illyria therefore Iron Age ancestry from Croatia cannot be more than 25% for you. Even less. And obviously not 45%.

Watch your behaviour, otherwise you will be banned too. Leave your Albanian temper at home. No insults.

[true_southron]

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Any update on the results with the latest Illustrative DNA changes?