Russians challenge always me for my Asian affinity

[Lemminkäinen]

Tver and Ryazan are near Moscow, Yarislavl and Kostroma in North Russia.

Distance to: Han_Guizhou
0.54424828 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56100313 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56129900 Russian_Pinega
0.56989615 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57822951 Russian_Kostroma
0.58927298 maurim1_scaled
0.59437375 Russian_Tver
0.59644011 Russian_Ryazan
0.59686607 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60225013 Russian_Kursk
0.60251380 Russian_Orel
0.60614255 Russian_Kaluga
0.60715925 Russian_Belgorod
0.60753923 Russian_Voronez
0.60942575 Russian_Pskov
0.61056085 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Nganassan
0.52595684 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.54681385 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.54913856 Russian_Pinega
0.56179532 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57260375 Russian_Kostroma
0.58763491 maurim1_scaled
0.59237311 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.59288528 Russian_Tver
0.59543445 Russian_Ryazan
0.60248399 Russian_Kursk
0.60272920 Russian_Orel
0.60486323 Russian_Kaluga
0.60702160 Russian_Voronez
0.60746690 Russian_Pskov
0.60810128 Russian_Belgorod
0.61268738 Russian_Smolensk

[Russki]

Finns are treated as white/European in Russia.

It's pretty much a non-topic.




As for your Asian affinity, it's greater than for Central Russians, but lower than for North-Eastern Russians.

Pretty typical West Finnish result.


https://i.imgur.com/58OUjOj.png

[ugochaves]

I challenge you, orangutan) I'm kidding. In fact, everything is fine, you are whiter than whites)

[eastern]

Tver and Ryazan are near Moscow, Yarislavl and Kostroma in North Russia.

Distance to: Han_Guizhou
0.54424828 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56100313 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56129900 Russian_Pinega
0.56989615 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57822951 Russian_Kostroma
0.58927298 maurim1_scaled
0.59437375 Russian_Tver
0.59644011 Russian_Ryazan
0.59686607 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60225013 Russian_Kursk
0.60251380 Russian_Orel
0.60614255 Russian_Kaluga
0.60715925 Russian_Belgorod
0.60753923 Russian_Voronez
0.60942575 Russian_Pskov
0.61056085 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Nganassan
0.52595684 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.54681385 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.54913856 Russian_Pinega
0.56179532 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57260375 Russian_Kostroma
0.58763491 maurim1_scaled
0.59237311 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.59288528 Russian_Tver
0.59543445 Russian_Ryazan
0.60248399 Russian_Kursk
0.60272920 Russian_Orel
0.60486323 Russian_Kaluga
0.60702160 Russian_Voronez
0.60746690 Russian_Pskov
0.60810128 Russian_Belgorod
0.61268738 Russian_Smolensk

Could you send me these coordinates

[Lemminkäinen]

I challenge you, orangutan) I'm kidding. In fact, everything is fine, you are whiter than whites)

It is your Ukrainian blood that makes you more Aryan.

[ugochaves]

It is your Ukrainian blood that makes you more Aryan.
My Russian ancestors are Nordids. Ukrainian grandmother Norik, I look like her. I'm not an Aryan. In Finnish, "Aryan" is a slave. The Komi used Aryans as slaves. This is a fact

[ugochaves]

Oriya - in the Komi language - a slave, a beast, a nonentity.

[Lemminkäinen]

My Russian ancestors are Nordids. Ukrainian grandmother Norik, I look like her. I'm not an Aryan. In Finnish, "Aryan" is a slave. The Komi used Aryans as slaves. This is a fact

But Putin blames Ukrainians for Aryan vibes.

[Dušan]

Finns are treated as white/European in Russia.

It's pretty much a non-topic.




As for your Asian affinity, it's greater than for Central Russians, but lower than for North-Eastern Russians.

Pretty typical West Finnish result.


https://i.imgur.com/58OUjOj.png

Why do you left some areas blank when they are majority populated with ethnic Russians?
Karelia 86% ethnic Russians, Kaliningrad oblast 79% Russians, Komi 70% Russians, Udmurtia 68% Russians, Mordovia 54% Russians, Mari El 53% Russians etc.

[Russki]

Why do you left some areas blank when they are majority populated with ethnic Russians?
Karelia 86% ethnic Russians, Kaliningrad oblast 79% Russians, Komi 70% Russians, Udmurtia 68% Russians, Mordovia 54% Russians, Mari El 53% Russians etc.


How am I supposed to know the genetics of Kaliningrad Russians?

[Dušan]

How am I supposed to know the genetics of Kaliningrad Russians?

Okay, maybe you are right for Kaliningrad, it was probably settled from various places, but for other areas you should probably know to which of these three groups Russian population belong.

[Lemminkäinen]

Finns are treated as white/European in Russia.

It's pretty much a non-topic.




As for your Asian affinity, it's greater than for Central Russians, but lower than for North-Eastern Russians.

Pretty typical West Finnish result.


https://i.imgur.com/58OUjOj.png

You obviously mean ethnic Russians in the Central region.

[Lemminkäinen]

Could you send me these coordinates

Sure. Watch your PM.

[White Swan]

A kind Vietnamese women at the lake asked me candidly if I was "Asian too" , then I started to wonder if my best friend in middle school (Japanese) only talked to me, when she didn't talk to anyone else, because she thought I was Asian, plus I saw this YouTube short of Asians identifying other Asians and sticking together in social situations. So I thought, "wow am I Asian?". But then I found out I'm not, and I just look kinda Asian lol. But I am like 11% Eastern European. That's all I have.

[ugochaves]

A kind Vietnamese women at the lake asked me candidly if I was "Asian too" , then I started to wonder if my best friend in middle school (Japanese) only talked to me, when she didn't talk to anyone else, because she thought I was Asian, plus I saw this YouTube short of Asians identifying other Asians and sticking together in social situations. So I thought, "wow am I Asian?". But then I found out I'm not, and I just look kinda Asian lol. But I am like 11% Eastern European. That's all I have.

I saw your photo, I thought you were from the Caucasus region or from Western Asia.

[ugochaves]

Tver and Ryazan are near Moscow, Yarislavl and Kostroma in North Russia.

Distance to: Han_Guizhou
0.54424828 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56100313 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56129900 Russian_Pinega
0.56989615 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57822951 Russian_Kostroma
0.58927298 maurim1_scaled
0.59437375 Russian_Tver
0.59644011 Russian_Ryazan
0.59686607 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60225013 Russian_Kursk
0.60251380 Russian_Orel
0.60614255 Russian_Kaluga
0.60715925 Russian_Belgorod
0.60753923 Russian_Voronez
0.60942575 Russian_Pskov
0.61056085 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Nganassan
0.52595684 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.54681385 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.54913856 Russian_Pinega
0.56179532 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57260375 Russian_Kostroma
0.58763491 maurim1_scaled
0.59237311 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.59288528 Russian_Tver
0.59543445 Russian_Ryazan
0.60248399 Russian_Kursk
0.60272920 Russian_Orel
0.60486323 Russian_Kaluga
0.60702160 Russian_Voronez
0.60746690 Russian_Pskov
0.60810128 Russian_Belgorod
0.61268738 Russian_Smolensk

I don't understand your topic. What do you want to hear? Russians do not have a pan-European identity. That's why we think of Finns as Finns. Poles are Poles. You have to get rid of your Asian inferiority complex yourself. Don't involve the Russians in this.

[White Swan]

I saw your photo, I thought you were from the Caucasus region or from Western Asia.

That's funny, really funny to me. Not surprising, I'm a difficult phenotype I guess. All opinions are appreciated. Doesn't help matters that I'm an odd maternal haplogroup too.

23&me says I'm 100% European, and my documented family history backs that up so far. But I know I look kinda Asian lol I was always told I looked Asian or native american. Spent most of my life thinking that, until I got my 23&me results and then found my birth parents/family history (all euro). Since finding this site I've learned my "Asian" traits can be found in Europe also. :dunno:

[ugochaves]

That's funny, really funny to me. Not surprising, I'm a difficult phenotype I guess. All opinions are appreciated. Doesn't help matters that I'm an odd maternal haplogroup too.

23&me says I'm 100% European, and my documented family history backs that up so far. But I know I look kinda Asian lol I was always told I looked Asian or native american. Spent most of my life thinking that, until I got my 23&me results and then found my birth parents/family history (all euro). Since finding this site I've learned my "Asian" traits can be found in Europe also. :dunno:

Europe is big and there are many phenotypes. For example, Lemminkainen is an East Asian by genetics, but looks like a European. Some Greeks may pass in Turkey and vice versa. You're European, and so am I. But we are so different-like from different planets. Western and Eastern euros are very different.

[Zanzibar]

Tver and Ryazan are near Moscow, Yarislavl and Kostroma in North Russia.

Distance to: Han_Guizhou
0.54424828 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56100313 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56129900 Russian_Pinega
0.56989615 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57822951 Russian_Kostroma
0.58927298 maurim1_scaled
0.59437375 Russian_Tver
0.59644011 Russian_Ryazan
0.59686607 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60225013 Russian_Kursk
0.60251380 Russian_Orel
0.60614255 Russian_Kaluga
0.60715925 Russian_Belgorod
0.60753923 Russian_Voronez
0.60942575 Russian_Pskov
0.61056085 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Nganassan
0.52595684 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.54681385 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.54913856 Russian_Pinega
0.56179532 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57260375 Russian_Kostroma
0.58763491 maurim1_scaled
0.59237311 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.59288528 Russian_Tver
0.59543445 Russian_Ryazan
0.60248399 Russian_Kursk
0.60272920 Russian_Orel
0.60486323 Russian_Kaluga
0.60702160 Russian_Voronez
0.60746690 Russian_Pskov
0.60810128 Russian_Belgorod
0.61268738 Russian_Smolensk

Leshukonsky, Pinezhsky, Kranoborsky, Pinega are literally not ethnic Russian genetically speaking, but Finno-Ugric or half Finnic. Culturally speaking, they are totally Slavicized/Russified though. Leshukonsky are literally mostly Komi-like, for example. So it makes sense they are closer to these East Asians than you due to higher East Eurasian ancestry in the former groups.

[LaSentinelle]

Tver and Ryazan are near Moscow, Yarislavl and Kostroma in North Russia.

Distance to: Han_Guizhou
0.54424828 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56100313 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56129900 Russian_Pinega
0.56989615 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57822951 Russian_Kostroma
0.58927298 maurim1_scaled
0.59437375 Russian_Tver
0.59644011 Russian_Ryazan
0.59686607 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60225013 Russian_Kursk
0.60251380 Russian_Orel
0.60614255 Russian_Kaluga
0.60715925 Russian_Belgorod
0.60753923 Russian_Voronez
0.60942575 Russian_Pskov
0.61056085 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Nganassan
0.52595684 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.54681385 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.54913856 Russian_Pinega
0.56179532 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57260375 Russian_Kostroma
0.58763491 maurim1_scaled
0.59237311 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.59288528 Russian_Tver
0.59543445 Russian_Ryazan
0.60248399 Russian_Kursk
0.60272920 Russian_Orel
0.60486323 Russian_Kaluga
0.60702160 Russian_Voronez
0.60746690 Russian_Pskov
0.60810128 Russian_Belgorod
0.61268738 Russian_Smolensk

Are you sure you're not misinterpreting something? Because it's usually westerners who like to make fun of Finns for having a minor asian admixture. The "Fingolian" meme doesn't come from Russia too. Most Russians see you as just another type of Euros, the only stereotype I can think of is Finns having blond or light hair. I remember when I was visiting St Petersburg and me and my mate (a local) went to a market and an old granny asked us if we were finnish (he's blond and my hair is very light when exposed to sunlight). Apparently he hears that a lot, older folk mistaking him for a finn, since there are lots of finns in St Petersburg and a lot of them are blond as well.

[Lemminkäinen]

I don't understand your topic. What do you want to hear? Russians do not have a pan-European identity. That's why we think of Finns as Finns. Poles are Poles. You have to get rid of your Asian inferiority complex yourself. Don't involve the Russians in this.

I have not Asian inferiority complex. I think Russians have it, because you always compare yourself to other Europeans.

[ugochaves]

I have not Asian inferiority complex. I think Russians have it, because you always compare yourself to other Europeans.
We compare ourselves with other Europeans in the question of the ratio of south and north (black/white). I'm not interested in your Mongoloid affairs. Look at my G25 and my wife's G25. I have about 25% Finno-Ugric roots (Russian Pomors), she does not have them at all. Russians are a very numerous people based on European Slavs. Finno-Ugrians are a small-numbered people whose culture is associated with Asian reindeer herders. Don't compare Russians and Finns. This is a radically different percentage of Asian dna. Don't drag the Russians into your Asia!

[Lemminkäinen]

Are you sure you're not misinterpreting something? Because it's usually westerners who like to make fun of Finns for having a minor asian admixture. The "Fingolian" meme doesn't come from Russia too. Most Russians see you as just another type of Euros, the only stereotype I can think of is Finns having blond or light hair. I remember when I was visiting St Petersburg and me and my mate (a local) went to a market and an old granny asked us if we were finnish (he's blond and my hair is very light when exposed to sunlight). Apparently he hears that a lot, older folk mistaking him for a finn, since there are lots of finns in St Petersburg and a lot of them are blond as well.

Sure westerners had a habit of trolling Finns, but nowadays they are mostly Russians. It is like they are 10 years late and try now to come along and hurry up.

[LaSentinelle]

Sure westerners had a habit of trolling Finns, but nowadays they are mostly Russians. It is like they are 10 years late and try now to come along and hurry up.

Genuinely never heard of it, but ok.

[Lemminkäinen]

We compare ourselves with other Europeans in the question of the ratio of south and north (black/white). I'm not interested in your Mongoloid affairs. Look at my G25 and my wife's G25. I have about 25% Finno-Ugric roots (Russian Pomors), she does not have them at all. Russians are a very numerous people based on European Slavs. Finno-Ugrians are a small-numbered people whose culture is associated with Asian reindeer herders. Don't compare Russians and Finns. This is a radically different percentage of Asian dna. Don't drag the Russians into your Asia!

East Slavic history is too short to mean anything to me :)

[ugochaves]

Sure westerners had a habit of trolling Finns, but nowadays they are mostly Russians. It is like they are 10 years late and try now to come along and hurry up.
We are not trolling you. Maybe I'm trolling you? I troll everyone. To relax. In fact, Finns are much more familiar Europeans than Albanians are to Russians. The topic is closed. Russians don't troll Finns. Not a single Russian, except me!

[ugochaves]

East Slavic history is too short to mean anything to me :)
This is the best thing you said in this topic!

[Lemminkäinen]

This is the best thing you said in this topic!

I know it.

[gixajo]

We compare ourselves with other Europeans in the question of the ratio of south and north (black/white). I'm not interested in your Mongoloid affairs. Look at my G25 and my wife's G25. I have about 25% Finno-Ugric roots (Russian Pomors), she does not have them at all. Russians are a very numerous people based on European Slavs. Finno-Ugrians are a small-numbered people whose culture is associated with Asian reindeer herders. Don't compare Russians and Finns. This is a radically different percentage of Asian dna. Don't drag the Russians into your Asia!

Ingrians and Karelians are Russians or Finns?

[ugochaves]

Ingrians and Karelians are Russians or Finns?
These are adequate Finns.)

[Lemminkäinen]

Genuinely never heard of it, but ok.

Maybe you have not noticed it, because the Russian narrative about Finns is too common. Russians use our ethnic identity (Finns/Finnish) to broadly meaning almost all Finno-Ugric people, diluting the meaning. But then you call Estonians by their real ethnic name, although our languages diverged only 1000-1500 years ago, which is very little compared to most FU groups living in Russia. It sounds a bit like a political approach.

[ugochaves]

Ingrians and Karelians are Russians or Finns?

Our union with the Karelians (we can compare the Serbian union by mutual respect) has been going on for more than a thousand years.

[Lemminkäinen]

These are adequate Finns.)

Are Estonians Finns?

[ugochaves]

Maybe you have not noticed it, because the Russian narrative about Finns is too common. Russians use our ethnic identity (Finns/Finnish) to broadly meaning almost all Finno-Ugric people, diluting the meaning. But then you call Estonians by their real ethnic name, although our languages diverged only 1000-1500 years ago, which is very little compared to most FU groups living in Russia. It sounds a bit like a political approach.

Will you call me Ugochaves or ugo? It is the same with the Finno-Ugrians. We do not claim to be reindeer herders and mammoth hunters. We are civilized Slavs, Europeans who have serious scientists and they will not ask permission from Suomi how to call Karelians or Veps or Mordvins. The Finns are short, we don't need your merits in using deer poop, sorry.

[Russki]

Maybe you have not noticed it, because the Russian narrative about Finns is too common. Russians use our ethnic identity (Finns/Finnish) to broadly meaning almost all Finno-Ugric people, diluting the meaning. But then you call Estonians by their real ethnic name, although our languages diverged only 1000-1500 years ago, which is very little compared to most FU groups living in Russia. It sounds a bit like a political approach.


Estonians are a very small nation and mostly unnoticed.

ugochaves wasn't even aware that he is closer to Estonians than to Finns by distance until I showed to him.

[ugochaves]

Are Estonians Finns?

Yes

[Lemminkäinen]

Estonians are a very small nation and mostly unnoticed.

ugochaves wasn't even aware that he is closer to Estonians than to Finns by distance until I showed to him.

Estonians have, even in case are not of Russian ancestry, Slavic and Baltic ancestry and they have very little Saami ancestry. The Finns have Germanic and Saami ancestry instead Ethnic names are based on languages. Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French. Estonians speak Estonian, which is one of the closest linguistic relatives of the Finns, although we diverged linguistically and genetically 1000-1500 ybp. You, as Russians in general, play with evidences supporting political narratives. If it is language, then you use it. If it is genes, you use it to support the approach you need.

[ugochaves]

Estonians have, even in case are not of Russian ancestry, Slavic and Baltic ancestry and they have very little Saami ancestry. The Finns have Germanic and Saami ancestry instead Ethnic names are based on languages. Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French. Estonians speak Estonian, which is one of the closest linguistic relatives of the Finns, although we diverged linguistically and genetically 1000-1500 ybp. You, as Russians in general, play with evidences supporting political narratives. If it is language, then you use it. If it is genes, you use it to support the approach you need.

99.9% of Russians do not know about their Finno-Ugric contribution. I am probably one of the 5 Russians who have g25 coordinates all over the world. I don't want any nonsense. Russian russians don't care about Finns, Russians don't care who Finns are. But there are units that start digging.

[ugochaves]

Estonians have, even in case are not of Russian ancestry, Slavic and Baltic ancestry and they have very little Saami ancestry. The Finns have Germanic and Saami ancestry instead Ethnic names are based on languages. Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French. Estonians speak Estonian, which is one of the closest linguistic relatives of the Finns, although we diverged linguistically and genetically 1000-1500 ybp. You, as Russians in general, play with evidences supporting political narratives. If it is language, then you use it. If it is genes, you use it to support the approach you need.
Tell the Pomor that he is a Finno-Ugric. He'll tell you to fuck off right away.

[Lemminkäinen]

99.9% of Russians do not know about their Finno-Ugric contribution. I am probably one of the 5 Russians who have g25 coordinates all over the world. I don't want any nonsense. Russian russians don't care about Finns, Russians don't care who Finns are. But there are units that start digging.

Sounds very good.

[Russki]

Estonians have, even in case are not of Russian ancestry, Slavic and Baltic ancestry and they have very little Saami ancestry. The Finns have Germanic and Saami ancestry instead Ethnic names are based on languages. Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French. Estonians speak Estonian, which is one of the closest linguistic relatives of the Finns, although we diverged linguistically and genetically 1000-1500 ybp. You, as Russians in general, play with evidences supporting political narratives.


My narrative is purely non-political.

There are 3 Russian forum members with DNA tests and none of the 3 have as much Asian affinity as you do.

This is despite the fact that you have lower Asian affinity than Western Finland average.


You seriously made a thread to declare that 4 villages in Arkhangelsk region have more Asian affinity than you. Ok, also the Eastern part of the Kostroma region. This is laughable.


https://sun9-43.userapi.com/impg/76DpEBZCVZ25THOa5s1kcuWCGMSxPsj3jhmlOA/Z2Cg2V15x1Q.jpg?size=800x550&quality=95&sign=3d08af928efa47079f133e5b5980be24&type=album



If it is language, then you use it. If it is genes, you use it to support the approach you need.


Citation needed.

[ugochaves]

Sounds very good.
And we treated the Finns very well before you betrayed us and canceled visas. Finns for my wife are kind Santos (I swear). My daughter, I also somehow brought her to reason and taught her that Finns are people and know how to herd deer, but nothing more..no interest, except for the New Year holidays in Helsinki. Alas, we will not be able to come to you (I did not tell my daughter about the Finnish atrocities when the Finns lynched Ukrainian and Russian children..).let the Finns remain kind Santos for my daughter.

[gixajo]

Our union with the Karelians (we can compare the Serbian union by mutual respect) has been going on for more than a thousand years.

I guess that's your way of saying "no, they're not Russian." :thumb001:

[gixajo]

My narrative is purely non-political.

There are 3 Russian forum members with DNA tests and none of the 3 have as much Asian affinity as you do.

This is despite the fact that you have lower Asian affinity than Western Finland average.


You seriously made a thread to declare that 4 villages in Arkhangelsk region have more Asian affinity than you. Ok, also the Eastern part of the Kostroma region. This is laughable.

Citation needed.

Can you post the sources you used?

Did you get finally your real G25 coordinates or still using those simulated ones?

.

[ugochaves]

I guess that's your way of saying "no, they're not Russian." :thumb001:

Don't you understand? Karelians are Karelians, they speak another language close to Finnish. Why the hell should I call them Russians? They have been our allies for 1000 years, they troll and fuck Suomi and the Swedes. And, of course, we assimilate with each other. And I am very happy about it - to add a little Finn and Kalevala to myself. The Spaniards don't have that. Kalevala is a very ancient legend, it is ancient for the ancestors of the Spaniards) this is a legend about powerful Slavic warriors who fight evil. Reindeer herders stole it from the Veps.

[Lemminkäinen]

My narrative is purely non-political.

There are 3 Russian forum members with DNA tests and none of the 3 have as much Asian affinity as you do.

This is despite the fact that you have lower Asian affinity than Western Finland average.


You seriously made a thread to declare that 4 villages in Arkhangelsk region have more Asian affinity than you. Ok, also the Eastern part of the Kostroma region. This is laughable.


https://sun9-43.userapi.com/impg/76DpEBZCVZ25THOa5s1kcuWCGMSxPsj3jhmlOA/Z2Cg2V15x1Q.jpg?size=800x550&quality=95&sign=3d08af928efa47079f133e5b5980be24&type=album





Citation needed.

Have all original Davidski coords? Different admixture tests give different results. F.ex K36 will give different result than K13 or K15.

Not trying exactly to answer to you, I made a comparison between Finns and Estonians to show the background. You can do this better, but if you do I suggest that you follow the arrangement.

https://i.ibb.co/G5ncbTc/Screenshot-20230630-220447-669.png

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Estonian_IA-MA:IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.04349 52,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555
Estonian_IA-MA:MA,0.129379,0.118817,0.0886237,0.0915167,0.0467 78,0.0363487,0.013474,0.0148457,0.0040223,-0.0346857,-0.0089853,-0.0133377,0.0173437,0.02624,-0.003031,0.0135683,0.0149073,-0.0040963,0.0007963,-8.33e-05,0.0007073,0.001319,0.00493,0.0008433,-0.0006783
Russian_Pskov,0.1299207,0.1192521,0.0805959,0.0747 053,0.0381609,0.0255783,0.0118847,0.0148676,0.0002 339,-0.0294961,4.64e-05,-0.013124,0.0191347,0.02605,-0.0072126,0.000322,0.0057743,-0.0042713,0.0001974,0.003162,-0.0022817,-0.0041336,0.0043666,-0.008366,0.0016421
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.0033,-0.0418,0.0411,6e-04,-0.0471,-0.0306,0.0083,0.0138,0.014,0.0032,0.0535,-1e-04,0.0076,-0.0349,-0.0335,-0.0209,2e-04,0.0053,0.0033,-0.0075,0.021,0.0013,0.0018,0.0036,0.0071

[ugochaves]

Veps borrowed from the ancient Slavs. Suomi at the Veps. As a result, Kalevala is a Russian epic.

[gixajo]

Don't you understand? Karelians are Karelians, they speak another language close to Finnish. Why the hell should I call them Russians? They have been our allies for 1000 years, they troll and fuck Suomi and the Swedes. And, of course, we assimilate with each other. And I am very happy about it - to add a little Finn and Kalevala to myself. The Spaniards don't have that. Kalevala is a very ancient legend, it is ancient for the ancestors of the Spaniards) this is a legend about powerful Slavic warriors who fight evil. Reindeer herders stole it from the Veps.

So Karelians are not Russians. Ok.

And Ingrians?

[ugochaves]

Have all original Davidski coords? Different admixture tests give different results. F.ex K36 will give different result than K13 or K15.

Not trying exactly to answer to you, I made a comparison between Finns and Estonians to show the background. You can do this better, but if you do I suggest that you follow the arrangement.

https://i.ibb.co/G5ncbTc/Screenshot-20230630-220447-669.png

SWE_IA:Gotland_VA,0.1285706,0.1293475,0.0751045,0. 0668821,0.0430715,0.0251184,0.0077757,0.010013,0.0 028278,-0.0145353,-0.0043845,-0.003903,0.0052321,0.0115544,0.0028797,0.0016199,-0.0031802,-0.0006968,0.002626,0.0046707,-0.0008626,0.0005833,0.0059667,0.001611,-8.32e-05
Estonian_IA-MA:IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.04349 52,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555
Estonian_IA-MA:MA,0.129379,0.118817,0.0886237,0.0915167,0.0467 78,0.0363487,0.013474,0.0148457,0.0040223,-0.0346857,-0.0089853,-0.0133377,0.0173437,0.02624,-0.003031,0.0135683,0.0149073,-0.0040963,0.0007963,-8.33e-05,0.0007073,0.001319,0.00493,0.0008433,-0.0006783
Russian_Pskov,0.1299207,0.1192521,0.0805959,0.0747 053,0.0381609,0.0255783,0.0118847,0.0148676,0.0002 339,-0.0294961,4.64e-05,-0.013124,0.0191347,0.02605,-0.0072126,0.000322,0.0057743,-0.0042713,0.0001974,0.003162,-0.0022817,-0.0041336,0.0043666,-0.008366,0.0016421
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.0033,-0.0418,0.0411,6e-04,-0.0471,-0.0306,0.0083,0.0138,0.014,0.0032,0.0535,-1e-04,0.0076,-0.0349,-0.0335,-0.0209,2e-04,0.0053,0.0033,-0.0075,0.021,0.0013,0.0018,0.0036,0.0071
My coordinates and my ex-wife are original from Davidsky. You can play with them...you, like a prehistoric reindeer herder, are afraid to publish your coordinates - the soul will be stolen from an aborigine.

[ugochaves]

Can you post the sources you used?

Did you get finally your real G25 coordinates or still using those simulated ones?

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Have you seen my wife's coordinates? I'm lost because my mother is northern. And my father is Ukrainian, in the end I am a central Russian) my wife is 100% Russian from the center. Phenotype- you are a moor licking a white woman's shoes..

[gixajo]

My coordinates and my ex-wife are original from Davidsky. You can play with them...you, like a prehistoric reindeer herder, are afraid to publish your coordinates - the soul will be stolen from an aborigine.

Yeah, if your coordinates are from Davidski you can compare perfectly with other coordinates from Davidski, but not with simulated ones.

If G25 are from different sources, better to compare individuals using Gedmatch calculators results.

Anyway, do you think that Baltic component it´s to Russians (making a comparison with someone close to me) as Basque component it´s to Iberians?

This would be a "non-political" question to Russky forum member too.

[gixajo]

Have you seen my wife's coordinates? I'm lost because my mother is northern. And my father is Ukrainian, in the end I am a central Russian) my wife is 100% Russian from the center. Phenotype- you are a moor licking a white woman's shoes..

There have been lots of huge population movements in your country in quite modern times, so I don't know how to assess to what extent the regional references are reliable or to what extent the origins of your wife can be reflected in her coordinates.

Maybe Russky can shed better light on that matter than I.

In any case, the individual characteristics do not always have to correspond to the genetics. I have a sister who looks Asian, as a baby she looked like a real Chinese.

You know, genotype does not equal phenotype.;)

[gixajo]

Have you seen my wife's coordinates? I'm lost because my mother is northern. And my father is Ukrainian, in the end I am a central Russian) my wife is 100% Russian from the center. Phenotype- you are a moor licking a white woman's shoes..

I like this. :D

[ugochaves]

I like this. :D
Ты куколд? Ты можешь присоединиться к нам! Мы ищем подобное ничтожиство

[gixajo]

Don't you understand? Karelians are Karelians, they speak another language close to Finnish. Why the hell should I call them Russians? They have been our allies for 1000 years, they troll and fuck Suomi and the Swedes. And, of course, we assimilate with each other. And I am very happy about it - to add a little Finn and Kalevala to myself. The Spaniards don't have that. Kalevala is a very ancient legend, it is ancient for the ancestors of the Spaniards) this is a legend about powerful Slavic warriors who fight evil. Reindeer herders stole it from the Veps.

I want to learn more. From what sources does this information come ? :eek:

[ugochaves]

There have been lots of huge population movements in your country in quite modern times, so I don't know how to assess to what extent the regional references are reliable or to what extent the origins of your wife can be reflected in her coordinates.

Maybe Russky can shed better light on that matter than I.

In any case, the individual characteristics do not always have to correspond to the genetics. I have a sister who looks Asian, as a baby she looked like a real Chinese.

You know, genotype does not equal phenotype.;)

Ukrainians and Russians of the north and south mixed in my DNA. The wife's ancestors are from one point in Russia. We would have taken you into slavery. You're a good worker. Sometimes I'd whip your ass with a whip. But no offense, you're black-haired.

[gixajo]

Ты куколд? Ты можешь присоединиться к нам! Мы ищем подобное ничтожиство

Please, speak english, you are not in the Russian subsection,

If you continue to write in Russian, you could be banned. And I would not like something like that to happen.

I don't want anyone to shut you up, I want you to keep talking.

[gixajo]

Ukrainians and Russians of the north and south mixed in my DNA. The wife's ancestors are from one point in Russia. We would have taken you into slavery. You're a good worker. Sometimes I'd whip your ass with a whip. But no offense, you're black-haired.

Actually, I totally identify as bald, even though I still have hair on my head.

The ones that remain have turned darker and darker,you are right, and soon they will turn white, although until well into my 30s I would say that my hair was not black, but rather brown.

It is said that there are people whose hair turns white when they are very afraid.

But you will never expose yourself enough to be so afraid. I hope it at least.:thumb001:

Edit: Don't be offended, but you don't offend me by saying that.

[gixajo]

Ukrainians and Russians of the north and south mixed in my DNA. The wife's ancestors are from one point in Russia. We would have taken you into slavery. You're a good worker. Sometimes I'd whip your ass with a whip. But no offense, you're black-haired.

It's funny, the Moors had Slavic slaves, they called them Saqaliba I think. The Turks also, men were destined to die as warriors, since apparently they didn't work much, and women were used as... well, you know. :confused:

I doubt your ancestors had any slaves, much less Spaniards.

But hey, I won't be the one to stop you from inventing fantasy pasts. I don't want to make you feel bad, don't get depressed or that you become alcoholic.:(

Be positive young guy, everything is going well. Your future is fantastic!!!

[ugochaves]

Actually, I totally identify as bald, even though I still have hair on my head.

The ones that remain have turned darker and darker,you are right, and soon they will turn white, although until well into my 30s I would say that my hair was not black, but rather brown.

It is said that there are people whose hair turns white when they are very afraid.

But you will never expose yourself enough to be so afraid. I hope it at least.:thumb001:

Edit: Don't be offended, but you don't offend me by saying that.

I admit, I also suffer from prostatitis. But I've never had a prostate massage. Did you say that it's okay for you to put a finger in your ass? I can't let that happen! Medicinal candles are better. How many times have you had a finger inserted in your ass?

[gixajo]

I admit, I also suffer from prostatitis. But I've never had a prostate massage. Did you say that it's okay for you to put a finger in your ass? I can't let that happen! Medicinal candles are better. How many times have you had a finger inserted in your ass?

Thanks for your sincere concern for my health, but my prostate works perfectly.

Do you want me to do you a rectal examination? Women don't have that kind of problem, but if you want your wife can come too.

Even better, she can come alone, you can stay in Russia.

I am sure that I will be able to be useful to her in some way, despite having the little hair I still have (on my head) black.:icon_ask:

[Lemminkäinen]

My coordinates are from Davidski. I gave them to Russki and Rothaer.

[gixajo]

I admit, I also suffer from prostatitis. But I've never had a prostate massage. Did you say that it's okay for you to put a finger in your ass? I can't let that happen! Medicinal candles are better. How many times have you had a finger inserted in your ass?

In any case, digital rectal examination is not a diagnostic test for prostatitis, but for prostate cancer, and to detect prostate cancer there are better diagnostic tests, and much less "invasive".

But hey, since we are having a relaxed chat between jokes, we can grant ourselves certain licenses and not be medically precise.

[ugochaves]

In any case, digital rectal examination is not a diagnostic test for prostatitis, but for prostate cancer, and to detect prostate cancer there are better diagnostic tests, and much less "invasive".

But hey, since we are having a relaxed chat between jokes, we can grant ourselves certain licenses and not be medically precise.
I'm a surgeon in the past, I haven't practiced for a long time, before the norms, now it's more business, but my knowledge is better than yours. I can explore your prostate by sticking my finger up your ass. Neither cancer nor prostatitis are diagnosed this way, only ultrasound (CT is better and then a biopsy. Come to Moscow, I have good doctors working for me, they are examining your prostate. I will be able to operate, we will gather a delegation. My son-in-law is an oncologist, one of the best oncologists in Moscow. I'm already just a business - my hands are shaking from vodka...nothing personal...

[gixajo]

I'm a surgeon in the past, I haven't practiced for a long time, before the norms, now it's more business, but my knowledge is better than yours. I can explore your prostate by sticking my finger up your ass. Neither cancer nor prostatitis are diagnosed this way, only ultrasound (CT is better and then a biopsy. Come to Moscow, I have good doctors working for me, they are examining your prostate. I will be able to operate, we will gather a delegation. My son-in-law is an oncologist, one of the best oncologists in Moscow. I'm already just a business - my hands are shaking from vodka...nothing personal...

My hands are shaking due to spasms of laughter after reading your funny witticism. "Dr. ugochaves".

Of course, your knowledge is always greater than mine ...in anything!!! :rolleyes:

[ugochaves]

My hands are shaking due to spasms of laughter after reading your funny witticism. "Dr. ugochaves".

Of course, your knowledge is always greater than mine ...in anything!!! :rolleyes:

I want to hang out with you. I don't smoke marijuana, it makes my heart beat faster, it's unpleasant, but we can drink whiskey on your terrace.

[Lemminkäinen]

Here is a simple allocation between modern Balts and Nganasans. Too big to get screenshot.






Source:

Baltic:Latvian,0.1354494,0.122473,0.0887742,0.0894 71,0.043208,0.0340246,0.0125966,0.0140762,-0.002168,-0.0368842,-0.0035728,-0.0138178,0.0232208,0.031378,-0.010559,0.0040572,0.0027118,-0.0003802,0.0016088,0.0043022,-0.0027952,-0.0057128,0.0090708,-0.0093264,0.0026346
Baltic:Lithuanian_PA,0.1337421,0.1241485,0.0796195 ,0.074613,0.0421616,0.0291092,0.0087244,0.0134128,-0.0037324,-0.0263102,-0.0035118,-0.0091044,0.0186756,0.0266472,-0.0118755,0.0034972,0.0042865,0.0010292,0.0039282, 0.0012351,-0.0060519,-0.0032921,0.0093979,-0.006552,-0.0002845
Baltic:Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971 ,0.0871131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
Baltic:Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.1240977,0.083306,0 .0805239,0.0431158,0.0294229,0.0123146,0.015207,-0.0044994,-0.0323469,-0.0030203,-0.012469,0.0240532,0.0300018,-0.0152957,0.0017237,0.0070014,-0.0013936,0.00494,0.0030138,-0.0053282,-0.0060342,0.010057,-0.0066392,-0.0003714
Baltic:Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344 ,0.0877268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529 ,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
Baltic:Lithuanian_VA,0.1344249,0.1257226,0.0824762 ,0.0750975,0.0433311,0.027889,0.0099878,0.014884,-0.0020454,-0.0298685,-0.0029553,-0.0138328,0.0200394,0.0280062,-0.0110613,0.0029435,0.0061411,-0.0005702,0.0023129,0.0061155,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.0072346,-0.0078805,-0.0008622
Baltic:Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879 ,0.082365,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556

Results:

Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-200 0.03443661
98.4 1.6
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-201 0.03073032
99.2 0.8
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-203 0.04353987
99.4 0.6
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-205 0.02756514
98.4 1.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-12 0.02445995
99.0 1.0
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-16 0.03503159
96.4 3.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-44 0.02225193
97.4 2.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-58 0.02725948
99.6 0.4
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr120 0.03477436
94.0 6.0
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr128 0.02792658
93.0 7.0
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr138 0.03402845
91.6 8.4
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr149 0.02610949
92.4 7.6
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr151 0.01943829
92.2 7.8
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr170 0.03132030
93.6 6.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-203 0.02049725
90.2 9.8
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-205 0.03202770
92.8 7.2
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-237 0.02943543
91.2 8.8
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-248 0.02797750
91.6 8.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-341 0.02850379
88.8 11.2
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-345 0.03636591
91.6 8.4
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-03 0.02023830
98.0 2.0
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-05 0.02181299
98.6 1.4
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-53 0.03832835
97.4 2.6
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-58 0.02751340
98.0 2.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk15 0.02941414
99.0 1.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk18 0.02628340
97.8 2.2
Russian_Kursk:russianKursk6 0.03010024
97.0 3.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk9 0.03257431
97.4 2.6
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-002 0.03970516
84.2 15.8
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-140 0.03332918
84.6 15.4
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-143 0.04434789
84.6 15.4
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-144 0.04499888
84.2 15.8
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-149 0.03001742
86.8 13.2
Russian_Orel:Rorl-102 0.02375670
94.4 5.6
Russian_Orel:Rorl-110 0.03730493
98.8 1.2
Russian_Orel:Rorl-114 0.04144607
98.4 1.6
Russian_Orel:Rorl-155 0.02879400
98.4 1.6
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol1 0.02292093
96.6 3.4
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100 0.03068003
98.8 1.2
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol34 0.02937117
97.4 2.6
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol45 0.01486579
98.0 2.0
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56 0.03294719
99.2 0.8
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78 0.02955406
98.8 1.2
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol89 0.02910455
98.4 1.6
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega1 0.02116971
88.8 11.2
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega17 0.03018551
89.2 10.8
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega9 0.02922448
88.0 12.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-114 0.03082580
89.0 11.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-123 0.04235193
87.0 13.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-143 0.03514100
89.0 11.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-145 0.03514970
88.0 12.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-151 0.03590615
88.6 11.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-002 0.02572715
98.6 1.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-004 0.02088186
100.0 0.0
Russian_Pskov:Rps-006 0.02507977
99.2 0.8
Russian_Pskov:Rps-012 0.01999318
98.2 1.8
Russian_Pskov:Rps-090 0.02548071
97.8 2.2
Russian_Pskov:Rps-091 0.02633835
98.6 1.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-098 0.03447380
97.2 2.8
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-08 0.02700255
98.4 1.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-10 0.02769122
97.4 2.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-13 0.03196453
94.6 5.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-16 0.03043618
97.6 2.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-83 0.03370541
97.6 2.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-11 0.02662665
96.6 3.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-3 0.02470904
96.8 3.2
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-32 0.03155005
97.0 3.0
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-58 0.02667147
97.0 3.0
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-66 0.02740467
96.6 3.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-7 0.02224431
95.6 4.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-88 0.03070570
96.2 3.8
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-103 0.03138868
99.2 0.8
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-109 0.02751278
99.6 0.4
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-166 0.02905334
99.8 0.2
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-171 0.02614646
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-176 0.03265644
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-179 0.01983767
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-181 0.03558918
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol303 0.01935789
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol304 0.02431174
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol312 0.02486450
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol339 0.02736516
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol345 0.03456296
99.2 0.8
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol349 0.02572777
98.0 2.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol350 0.02321031
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:SM256_russian_Smolensk 0.02562780
98.2 1.8
Russian_Tver:Rksh-402 0.02310313
94.4 5.6
Russian_Tver:Rksh-405 0.02922059
97.4 2.6
Russian_Tver:Rksh-407 0.02023209
94.4 5.6
Russian_Tver:Rksh-412 0.02280366
97.6 2.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver415 0.03408200
97.4 2.6
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver418 0.02257363
95.6 4.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver442 0.03095640
96.2 3.8
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver472 0.02087728
97.4 2.6
Russian_Voronez:russianVoron101 0.01662378
97.8 2.2
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron103 0.04064179
99.6 0.4
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron105 0.03336027
99.4 0.6
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron107 0.01729158
97.8 2.2
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-173 0.02018104
96.6 3.4
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-223 0.02546853
95.2 4.8
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-232 0.03266918
96.8 3.2
Finnish_East:HG00176 0.03625023
92.0 8.0
Finnish_East:HG00182 0.03606893
91.2 8.8
Finnish_East:HG00187 0.03735875
90.0 10.0
Finnish_East:HG00269 0.04970625
92.8 7.2
Finnish_East:HG00290 0.03856732
91.0 9.0
Finnish_East:HG00358 0.04166340
90.8 9.2
Finnish_East:HG00361 0.04179550
91.4 8.6
Finnish_Southwest:HG00190 0.04758433
94.0 6.0
Finnish_Southwest:HG00268 0.03736792
93.6 6.4
Finnish_Southwest:HG00274 0.04038130
93.8 6.2
Finnish_Southwest:HG00277 0.04315653
95.4 4.6
Finnish_Southwest:HG00310 0.04482413
93.8 6.2
Finnish_Southwest:HG00320 0.03901933
93.0 7.0
Finnish_Southwest:HG00337 0.04375378
94.4 5.6
Finnish_Southwest:HG00360 0.04357161
93.6 6.4
maurim1_scaled 0.03253489
95.4 4.6

[ugochaves]

Here is a simple allocation between modern Balts and Nganasans. Too big to get screenshot.






Source:

Baltic:Lithuanian_PA,0.1337421,0.1241485,0.0796195 ,0.074613,0.0421616,0.0291092,0.0087244,0.0134128,-0.0037324,-0.0263102,-0.0035118,-0.0091044,0.0186756,0.0266472,-0.0118755,0.0034972,0.0042865,0.0010292,0.0039282, 0.0012351,-0.0060519,-0.0032921,0.0093979,-0.006552,-0.0002845
Baltic:Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971 ,0.0871131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
Baltic:Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.1240977,0.083306,0 .0805239,0.0431158,0.0294229,0.0123146,0.015207,-0.0044994,-0.0323469,-0.0030203,-0.012469,0.0240532,0.0300018,-0.0152957,0.0017237,0.0070014,-0.0013936,0.00494,0.0030138,-0.0053282,-0.0060342,0.010057,-0.0066392,-0.0003714
Baltic:Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344 ,0.0877268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529 ,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
Baltic:Lithuanian_VA,0.1344249,0.1257226,0.0824762 ,0.0750975,0.0433311,0.027889,0.0099878,0.014884,-0.0020454,-0.0298685,-0.0029553,-0.0138328,0.0200394,0.0280062,-0.0110613,0.0029435,0.0061411,-0.0005702,0.0023129,0.0061155,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.0072346,-0.0078805,-0.0008622
Baltic:Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879 ,0.082365,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556

Results:

Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-200 0.03443661
98.4 1.6
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-201 0.03073032
99.2 0.8
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-203 0.04353987
99.4 0.6
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-205 0.02756514
98.4 1.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-12 0.02445995
99.0 1.0
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-16 0.03503159
96.4 3.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-44 0.02225193
97.4 2.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-58 0.02725948
99.6 0.4
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr120 0.03477436
94.0 6.0
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr128 0.02792658
93.0 7.0
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr138 0.03402845
91.6 8.4
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr149 0.02610949
92.4 7.6
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr151 0.01943829
92.2 7.8
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr170 0.03132030
93.6 6.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-203 0.02049725
90.2 9.8
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-205 0.03202770
92.8 7.2
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-237 0.02943543
91.2 8.8
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-248 0.02797750
91.6 8.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-341 0.02850379
88.8 11.2
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-345 0.03636591
91.6 8.4
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-03 0.02023830
98.0 2.0
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-05 0.02181299
98.6 1.4
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-53 0.03832835
97.4 2.6
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-58 0.02751340
98.0 2.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk15 0.02941414
99.0 1.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk18 0.02628340
97.8 2.2
Russian_Kursk:russianKursk6 0.03010024
97.0 3.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk9 0.03257431
97.4 2.6
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-002 0.03970516
84.2 15.8
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-140 0.03332918
84.6 15.4
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-143 0.04434789
84.6 15.4
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-144 0.04499888
84.2 15.8
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-149 0.03001742
86.8 13.2
Russian_Orel:Rorl-102 0.02375670
94.4 5.6
Russian_Orel:Rorl-110 0.03730493
98.8 1.2
Russian_Orel:Rorl-114 0.04144607
98.4 1.6
Russian_Orel:Rorl-155 0.02879400
98.4 1.6
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol1 0.02292093
96.6 3.4
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100 0.03068003
98.8 1.2
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol34 0.02937117
97.4 2.6
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol45 0.01486579
98.0 2.0
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56 0.03294719
99.2 0.8
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78 0.02955406
98.8 1.2
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol89 0.02910455
98.4 1.6
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega1 0.02116971
88.8 11.2
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega17 0.03018551
89.2 10.8
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega9 0.02922448
88.0 12.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-114 0.03082580
89.0 11.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-123 0.04235193
87.0 13.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-143 0.03514100
89.0 11.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-145 0.03514970
88.0 12.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-151 0.03590615
88.6 11.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-002 0.02572715
98.6 1.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-004 0.02088186
100.0 0.0
Russian_Pskov:Rps-006 0.02507977
99.2 0.8
Russian_Pskov:Rps-012 0.01999318
98.2 1.8
Russian_Pskov:Rps-090 0.02548071
97.8 2.2
Russian_Pskov:Rps-091 0.02633835
98.6 1.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-098 0.03447380
97.2 2.8
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-08 0.02700255
98.4 1.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-10 0.02769122
97.4 2.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-13 0.03196453
94.6 5.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-16 0.03043618
97.6 2.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-83 0.03370541
97.6 2.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-11 0.02662665
96.6 3.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-3 0.02470904
96.8 3.2
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-32 0.03155005
97.0 3.0
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-58 0.02667147
97.0 3.0
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-66 0.02740467
96.6 3.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-7 0.02224431
95.6 4.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-88 0.03070570
96.2 3.8
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-103 0.03138868
99.2 0.8
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-109 0.02751278
99.6 0.4
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-166 0.02905334
99.8 0.2
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-171 0.02614646
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-176 0.03265644
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-179 0.01983767
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-181 0.03558918
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol303 0.01935789
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol304 0.02431174
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol312 0.02486450
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol339 0.02736516
100.0 0.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol345 0.03456296
99.2 0.8
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol349 0.02572777
98.0 2.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol350 0.02321031
99.4 0.6
Russian_Smolensk:SM256_russian_Smolensk 0.02562780
98.2 1.8
Russian_Tver:Rksh-402 0.02310313
94.4 5.6
Russian_Tver:Rksh-405 0.02922059
97.4 2.6
Russian_Tver:Rksh-407 0.02023209
94.4 5.6
Russian_Tver:Rksh-412 0.02280366
97.6 2.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver415 0.03408200
97.4 2.6
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver418 0.02257363
95.6 4.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver442 0.03095640
96.2 3.8
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver472 0.02087728
97.4 2.6
Russian_Voronez:russianVoron101 0.01662378
97.8 2.2
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron103 0.04064179
99.6 0.4
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron105 0.03336027
99.4 0.6
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron107 0.01729158
97.8 2.2
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-173 0.02018104
96.6 3.4
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-223 0.02546853
95.2 4.8
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-232 0.03266918
96.8 3.2
Finnish_East:HG00176 0.03625023
92.0 8.0
Finnish_East:HG00182 0.03606893
91.2 8.8
Finnish_East:HG00187 0.03735875
90.0 10.0
Finnish_East:HG00269 0.04970625
92.8 7.2
Finnish_East:HG00290 0.03856732
91.0 9.0
Finnish_East:HG00358 0.04166340
90.8 9.2
Finnish_East:HG00361 0.04179550
91.4 8.6
Finnish_Southwest:HG00190 0.04758433
94.0 6.0
Finnish_Southwest:HG00268 0.03736792
93.6 6.4
Finnish_Southwest:HG00274 0.04038130
93.8 6.2
Finnish_Southwest:HG00277 0.04315653
95.4 4.6
Finnish_Southwest:HG00310 0.04482413
93.8 6.2
Finnish_Southwest:HG00320 0.03901933
93.0 7.0
Finnish_Southwest:HG00337 0.04375378
94.4 5.6
Finnish_Southwest:HG00360 0.04357161
93.6 6.4
maurim1_scaled 0.03253489
95.4 4.6


Why do we need this?

[Lemminkäinen]

Why do we need this?

To get wiser

[ugochaves]

To get wiser
Decipher what is wise in this? What was I supposed to find out?

[Lemminkäinen]

Allocation between Dutch and Asian samples, because Balts may be too close Russians and include some Siberian/Chinese themselves. This is a more extreme test.




Source:

Dutch,0.1274407,0.1341783,0.0602712,0.0440759,0.04 08435,0.0163974,0.0054023,0.0072633,0.0042087,0.00 19245,-0.0056347,0.0044274,-0.0098456,-0.0086761,0.01783,0.0056231,-0.0065161,0.0017477,0.0039087,0.0028161,0.00448,0. 0033848,-5.1e-06,0.0138921,-0.0006557
Asian:Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
Asian:She,0.018591,-0.452926,-0.015462,-0.0718137,0.0925303,0.042856,-0.0001567,-0.0015383,-0.0182027,-0.004556,-0.0500157,-0.008742,0.0068387,-0.009175,-0.0051123,-0.0021657,0.000391,0.005912,-0.0020113,-0.018217,0.018093,0.0105517,0.023417,0.0024097,-0.000878

Results:

Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-200 0.07983881
2.8 97.2
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-201 0.07531094
2.0 98.0
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-203 0.06113624
1.6 98.4
Russian_Belgorod:Rbgp-205 0.07555001
2.6 97.4
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-12 0.07692221
1.8 98.2
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-16 0.07648976
4.4 95.6
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-44 0.07391609
3.6 96.4
Russian_Kaluga:Rkbo-58 0.08042015
1.2 98.8
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr120 0.07672821
6.6 93.4
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr128 0.07677835
7.8 92.2
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr138 0.08083559
9.4 90.6
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr149 0.06195651
8.4 91.6
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr151 0.07105583
8.8 91.2
Russian_Kostroma:RUS_Kostr170 0.06816928
7.0 93.0
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-203 0.07684131
11.0 89.0
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-205 0.07251185
8.6 91.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-237 0.07135182
9.6 90.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-248 0.07648514
9.2 90.8
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-341 0.07632847
11.6 88.4
Russian_Krasnoborsky:Rakr-345 0.06978374
9.0 91.0
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-03 0.07589712
3.2 96.8
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-05 0.07580606
2.2 97.8
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-53 0.06875546
3.6 96.4
Russian_Kursk:Rkuch-58 0.07032295
3.6 96.4
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk15 0.07765367
2.2 97.8
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk18 0.07595741
3.0 97.0
Russian_Kursk:russianKursk6 0.07188131
4.0 96.0
Russian_Kursk:RussianKursk9 0.07146812
3.6 96.4
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-002 0.08677657
16.2 83.8
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-140 0.07621341
16.0 84.0
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-143 0.08192080
16.0 84.0
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-144 0.08847586
16.8 83.2
Russian_Leshukonsky:Rakrlsh-149 0.07561898
14.0 86.0
Russian_Orel:Rorl-102 0.07890000
7.0 93.0
Russian_Orel:Rorl-110 0.07642759
2.4 97.6
Russian_Orel:Rorl-114 0.06813655
2.6 97.4
Russian_Orel:Rorl-155 0.07228136
2.6 97.4
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol1 0.07689284
4.2 95.8
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol100 0.06994082
2.0 98.0
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol34 0.07076441
3.6 96.4
Russian_Orel:RussianOrjol45 0.07856256
3.2 96.8
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56 0.06907432
1.8 98.2
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78 0.07208028
2.0 98.0
Russian_Orel:russianOrjol89 0.06531303
2.4 97.6
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega1 0.07650989
12.0 88.0
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega17 0.08860146
11.4 88.6
Russian_Pinega:RusPinega9 0.08313648
13.0 87.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-114 0.08267031
11.6 88.4
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-123 0.08071829
13.4 86.6
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-143 0.07818522
12.0 88.0
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-145 0.08188465
12.6 87.4
Russian_Pinezhsky:RPin-151 0.09272561
12.6 87.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-002 0.08256851
2.6 97.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-004 0.08963723
1.0 99.0
Russian_Pskov:Rps-006 0.09055762
2.0 98.0
Russian_Pskov:Rps-012 0.08072830
2.6 97.4
Russian_Pskov:Rps-090 0.08075370
3.2 96.8
Russian_Pskov:Rps-091 0.07011939
2.4 97.6
Russian_Pskov:Rps-098 0.09025493
3.6 96.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-08 0.06279506
2.6 97.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-10 0.07298617
3.8 96.2
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-13 0.07359461
6.4 93.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-16 0.06980975
3.8 96.2
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzm-83 0.06978906
3.4 96.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-11 0.07213709
4.4 95.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-3 0.08010773
4.4 95.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-32 0.06889403
4.0 96.0
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-58 0.06804687
4.0 96.0
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-66 0.06871826
4.4 95.6
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-7 0.07665577
5.6 94.4
Russian_Ryazan:Rrzs-88 0.07190076
4.8 95.2
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-103 0.06927243
1.8 98.2
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-109 0.07080201
1.4 98.6
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-166 0.07221715
1.2 98.8
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-171 0.08091257
0.8 99.2
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-176 0.07987540
1.8 98.2
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-179 0.07478785
1.2 98.8
Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-181 0.08374423
1.4 98.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol303 0.07538630
1.8 98.2
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol304 0.07450705
1.4 98.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol312 0.07340477
0.4 99.6
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol339 0.07611392
0.6 99.4
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol345 0.07484380
1.6 98.4
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol349 0.07902062
3.0 97.0
Russian_Smolensk:RUS_Smol350 0.07766641
1.6 98.4
Russian_Smolensk:SM256_russian_Smolensk 0.07330221
3.0 97.0
Russian_Tver:Rksh-402 0.06947475
6.6 93.4
Russian_Tver:Rksh-405 0.07492738
3.6 96.4
Russian_Tver:Rksh-407 0.07029274
6.6 93.4
Russian_Tver:Rksh-412 0.08370365
3.4 96.6
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver415 0.08102084
3.6 96.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver418 0.07755648
5.6 94.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver442 0.07542311
4.6 95.4
Russian_Tver:RUS_Tver472 0.07371802
4.0 96.0
Russian_Voronez:russianVoron101 0.07492323
3.2 96.8
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron103 0.07370814
1.4 98.6
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron105 0.06451291
1.4 98.6
Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron107 0.07622788
3.4 96.6
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-173 0.07786613
4.6 95.4
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-223 0.08072177
5.6 94.4
Russian_Yaroslavl:RYAR-232 0.07589998
4.2 95.8
maurim1_scaled 0.05822879
5.4 94.6

[ugochaves]

These are the Nganassans - the most full-blooded Siberian people. Very small in number. All Finns are descended from them.
https://i.ibb.co/k12NDt8/1.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZBHdxk)

[Russki]

51 out of 101 Swedish samples can be modeled as Me + Nganassan because their ANE admixture is higher than mine.


https://i.imgur.com/ufZ3X4B.png

[ugochaves]

51 out of 101 Swedish samples can be modeled as Me + Nganassan because their ANE admixture is higher than mine.

You need the real coordinates of g25. There will be more Siberia.

[rothaer]

51 out of 101 Swedish samples can be modeled as Me + Nganassan because their ANE admixture is higher than mine.

(...)

And the other 50 can be notably lower even but they are forced to be modelled 100% with you. Particularly the 100% guys with an over average distance are suspectable to that.

[LaSentinelle]

My narrative is purely non-political.

There are 3 Russian forum members with DNA tests and none of the 3 have as much Asian affinity as you do.

This is despite the fact that you have lower Asian affinity than Western Finland average.


You seriously made a thread to declare that 4 villages in Arkhangelsk region have more Asian affinity than you. Ok, also the Eastern part of the Kostroma region. This is laughable.


https://sun9-43.userapi.com/impg/76DpEBZCVZ25THOa5s1kcuWCGMSxPsj3jhmlOA/Z2Cg2V15x1Q.jpg?size=800x550&quality=95&sign=3d08af928efa47079f133e5b5980be24&type=album





Citation needed.

My TUR_barcin is a bit higher than the rest of you, interesting.

[ugochaves]

My TUR_barcin is a bit higher than the rest of you, interesting.
You have Polish and Ukrainian roots in an unknown proportion. There are too many farmers here for a Russian person.

[Russki]

And the other 50 can be notably lower even but they are forced to be modelled 100% with you. Particularly the 100% guys with an over average distance are suspectable to that.


On average all NW Europeeans have less ANE than me.

But individuals over-average ANE admixture will be forced to be modeled as Me + Nganassan because they are deprived of an additional source of ANE admixture.

This is why ANE is crucial for modeling.

[LaSentinelle]

You have Polish and Ukrainian roots in an unknown proportion. There are too many farmers here for a Russian person.

Well my mum's side is almost entirely Ukrainian, her ancestors come from various parts of Ukraine, they then settled in Voronezh Oblast and lived in a village they founded since 1670. My da's side is a bit foggier, but considering my Ydna it could be anything.

[ugochaves]

Well my mum's side is almost entirely Ukrainian, her ancestors come from various parts of Ukraine, they then settled in Voronezh Oblast and lived in a village they founded since 1670. My da's side is a bit foggier, but considering my Ydna it could be anything.

My grandmother is a full-blooded Ukrainian. Otherwise, I am Russian. But my Ukrainian dna is not visible. It's also unclear why you have a lot of farmers. Have you used other calculators? What did Davidsky send you?

[rothaer]

On average all NW Europeeans have less ANE than me.

But individuals over-average ANE admixture will be forced to be modeled as Me + Nganassan because they are deprived of an additional source of ANE admixture.

This is why ANE is crucial for modeling.

Maybe Afontova Gora would be even better for modelling as Nganassan are just some 60% ANE afaik and the remaining content could be pretty mathematically repulsing to Europeans. :icon_ask:

As Russki then is some kind of benchmark in the modelling Russki + X, can you tell the approximate regional ancestry? You likely once told but I don't recall the details.

[LaSentinelle]

My grandmother is a full-blooded Ukrainian. Otherwise, I am Russian. But my Ukrainian dna is not visible. It's also unclear why you have a lot of farmers. Have you used other calculators? What did Davidsky send you?

I've used many other calculators and all of them show different results. I'm using IllustrativeDNA coords which are basically the same as Davidsky's.

[Slavic Italian]

Our union with the Karelians (we can compare the Serbian union by mutual respect) has been going on for more than a thousand years.

I am Karelian/Mordovian. I have also been grouped respectively in their DNA Projects on FTDNA Y testing.

[ugochaves]

Maybe Afontova Gora would be even better for modelling as Nganassan are just some 60% ANE afaik and the remaining content could be pretty mathematically repulsing to Europeans. :icon_ask:

As Russki then is some kind of benchmark in the modelling Russki + X, can you tell the approximate regional ancestry? You likely once told but I don't recall the details.
Stop. The Siberian component is present in ANA. But nganasan has almost no ANE. In EHG about 5%-8% nganasan. Or I didn't understand your English. G25 Russki is inaccurate, you need to turn to Davidsky.

[Token]

It is funny how people can squeeze pretty much anything they want out of G25 by tweaking the reference populations. :laugh:

[Lemminkäinen]

It is funny how people can squeeze pretty much anything they want out of G25 by tweaking the reference populations. :laugh:

Especially Russian geneticists can do it with all available methods.

[Russki]

It is funny how people can squeeze pretty much anything they want out of G25 by tweaking the reference populations. :laugh:


The only thing that never changes is that Lemminkäinen's Siberian affinity is higher than all Russian forum members.

Starting this thread was a fail.

[ugochaves]

The only thing that never changes is that Lemminkäinen's Siberian affinity is higher than all Russian forum members.

Starting this thread was a fail.

1% of my Siberian admixture causes only respect for our small people - the Nganassans, who need help in surviving. Of course, Russians are the whitest people in Europe, that's for sure. Finns aren't bad either. This topic does not make sense, except for Lemmi complexes.

[Lemminkäinen]

1% of my Siberian admixture causes only respect for our small people - the Nganassans, who need help in surviving. Of course, Russians are the whitest people in Europe, that's for sure. Finns aren't bad either. This topic does not make sense, except for Lemmi complexes.

Even Putin and Shoigu?

[ugochaves]

Even Putin and Shoigu?
Moron, the Finnish proxy is the most prestigious in Europe. What the hell are you doing here being downcast and idle? The Germans have been under the blacks for a long time, they make their ass comfortable ... the British too, only the Serbs don't know shit, the Croats, the village people. The small Finnish tribe Merya - defeated Hitler and all of Europe, and today Merya resists transgender capitalism and Jewry. You must understand and know everything. At the same time, you consider Europe to be the best for you. No my friend. The best are Russians (Slavs, Balts + Finns), don't give a shit about the rest of the world. Finns are more prestigious than any Norwegian for a Russian!

[Lemminkäinen]

Moron, the Finnish proxy is the most prestigious in Europe. What the hell are you doing here being downcast and idle? The Germans have been under the blacks for a long time, they make their ass comfortable ... the British too, only the Serbs don't know shit, the Croats, the village people. The small Finnish tribe Merya - defeated Hitler and all of Europe, and today Merya resists transgender capitalism and Jewry. You must understand and know everything. At the same time, you consider Europe to be the best for you. No my friend. The best are Russians (Slavs, Balts + Finns), don't give a shit about the rest of the world. Finns are more prestigious than any Norwegian for a Russian!

So, being together the most prestigious people, would you sell the Karelia to us? Yeltsin promised it and it is a debt of honour.

[ugochaves]

So, being together the most prestigious people, would you sell the Karelia to us? Yeltsin promised it and it is a debt of honour.
My Finnish roots are much more valuable to me than slavish Slavic ones. Wagner is a Finnish military unit consisting of 90% descendants of the Merya tribe. These are Russians, we don't care about Europe, we are Europe, and we set our own rules! I would buy Finland...These are our people, even though they are morons.

[LaSentinelle]

So, being together the most prestigious people, would you sell the Karelia to us? Yeltsin promised it and it is a debt of honour.

Karelia is over 85% Russian/Belarusian/Ukrainian. If we were to sell Karelia to Finland, what would happen to those people? Would you also make them non-citizens like the baltic states? Or would you forcefully "Finlandize" them? Or make them leave the area and move to Russia somehow?

[ugochaves]

Karelia is over 85% Russian/Belarusian/Ukrainian. If we were to sell Karelia to Finland, what would happen to those people? Would you also make them non-citizens like the baltic states? Or would you forcefully "Finlandize" them? Or make them leave the area and move to Russia somehow?
They would teach them to ride deer)

[ugochaves]

Finnish reindeer breeder Lemmy wanted to enlist our words to become more courageous and European, like the Russians. He wants to get rid of the Asian complex because he is a bit Russian...Oh, what Finns you are-suomi primitive hillbillies like fiichi and Lemmi....

[Lemminkäinen]

Karelia is over 85% Russian/Belarusian/Ukrainian. If we were to sell Karelia to Finland, what would happen to those people? Would you also make them non-citizens like the baltic states? Or would you forcefully "Finlandize" them? Or make them leave the area and move to Russia somehow?

This deal is only between me and Ugrochavez. I know that there lives only 30000 Karelians, but let's play like it would be real. All foreign people living in Finland will get Finnish citizenship, if they want, have lived here at least 6 years, or in some cases 4 years. They need to understand and speak Finnish or Swedish at a basic level, not at a fluent level. We have no strict citizenship tests including extra knowledge, like history. If they don't want the Finnish citizenship, they can live here without it, but they need work or residence permits, if they are not refugees. I have always wondered why Estonia and Latvia act like they do with their Soviet era Russian citizens, but I can't judge, because I don't know things. It is however a bit weird that Estonia reports like 30% of the people living there are immigrants.

[ugochaves]

This deal is only between me and Ugrochavez. I know that there lives only 30000 Karelians, but let's play like it would be real. All foreign people living in Finland will get Finnish citizenship, if they want, have lived here at least 6 years, or in some cases 4 years. They need to understand and speak Finnish or Swedish at a basic level, not at a fluent level. We have no strict citizenship tests including extra knowledge, like history. If they don't want the Finnish citizenship, they can live here without it, but they need work or residence permits, if they are not refugees. I have always wondered why Estonia and Latvia act like they do with their Soviet era Russian citizens, but I can't judge, because I don't know things. It is however a bit weird that Estonia reports like 30% of the people living there are immigrants.

I will refuse the deal. I don't even need Finland - a million ugly Eastern Baltids and Ladogans, spare me...

[ugochaves]

Finnish nuclear weapons are hundreds of thousands of Ladogan warheads)

[LaSentinelle]

This deal is only between me and Ugrochavez. I know that there lives only 30000 Karelians, but let's play like it would be real. All foreign people living in Finland will get Finnish citizenship, if they want, have lived here at least 6 years, or in some cases 4 years. They need to understand and speak Finnish or Swedish at a basic level, not at a fluent level. We have no strict citizenship tests including extra knowledge, like history. If they don't want the Finnish citizenship, they can live here without it, but they need work or residence permits, if they are not refugees. I have always wondered why Estonia and Latvia act like they do with their Soviet era Russian citizens, but I can't judge, because I don't know things. It is however a bit weird that Estonia reports like 30% of the people living there are immigrants.

So you're saying there's virtually no chance for me doing a cheeky move and settling in Karelia right before the deal, getting a finnish citizenship for free, learning finnish, getting a bunch of guns, becoming a hunter, learning the area I live in and being one of the local 'lone wolves' who would inflict as much damage on the invading forces (in case some Neo-Bolshevik takes over Russia once Putin kicks the bucket. By far Putin's not the worst person in Russia to be in power, trust me.) all whilst singing Kaarina and säkkijärven polkka? :(

[ugochaves]

So you're saying there's virtually no chance for me doing a cheeky move and settling in Karelia right before the deal, getting a finnish citizenship for free, learning finnish, getting a bunch of guns, becoming a hunter, learning the area I live in and being one of the local 'lone wolves' who would inflict as much damage on the invading forces (in case some Neo-Bolshevik takes over Russia once Putin kicks the bucket. By far Putin's not the worst person in Russia to be in power, trust me.) all whilst singing Kaarina and säkkijärven polkka? :(
You don't stand a chance at all. You are a traitor and an asshole. The poorest Finnish woman will refuse you sex, because she considers you a nonentity who exchanged God for Finns smelling of reindeer dung.

[Lemminkäinen]

So you're saying there's virtually no chance for me doing a cheeky move and settling in Karelia right before the deal, getting a finnish citizenship for free, learning finnish, getting a bunch of guns, becoming a hunter, learning the area I live in and being one of the local 'lone wolves' who would inflict as much damage on the invading forces (in case some Neo-Bolshevik takes over Russia once Putin kicks the bucket. By far Putin's not the worst person in Russia to be in power, trust me.) all whilst singing Kaarina and säkkijärven polkka? :(

Lol, if we buy Karelia you will have Finnish citizenship right a way. But don't blame Bolseviks, those idiots who granted the Finnish independence, thinking that the proletarian revolution will sweep over the world in a couple weeks. Of course Putin is our friend, as also Prigozhin, and I know that the Russia is full of great leaders, at least in their own minds.

[LaSentinelle]

Lol, if we buy Karelia you will have Finnish citizenship right a way. But don't blame Bolseviks, those idiots who granted the Finnish independence, thinking that the proletarian revolution will sweep over the world in a couple weeks. Of course Putin is our friend, as also Prigozhin, and I know that the Russia is full of great leaders, at least in their own minds.

I've my own scores to settle with the Bolsheviks. A lot of my family members were repressed or murdered by them in the early years after the revolution as well as right before the war.

[Lemminkäinen]

Finnish nuclear weapons are hundreds of thousands of Ladogan warheads)

Ladogan warheads. A Finnish dream of getting Karelia back.

https://youtu.be/YjDI6Sou2R0

[Fortnite777]

I think the Leshukonsky sample on G25 is not very reliable, honestly. When I test it I get around 10% East Asian. That just seems like a bit too much to be true. But as a general rule, northern cisuralian Russians are more East Asian that Finns and even Karelians in my opinion. Siberian Russians probably not because they are more recent.

[ugochaves]

Lol, if we buy Karelia you will have Finnish citizenship right a way. But don't blame Bolseviks, those idiots who granted the Finnish independence, thinking that the proletarian revolution will sweep over the world in a couple weeks. Of course Putin is our friend, as also Prigozhin, and I know that the Russia is full of great leaders, at least in their own minds.
Do you want to buy Karelia from this liberal guy LaSentinel ? You can't buy anything from him except underpants. Usually only losers in Russia are dissatisfied with Putin

[Lemminkäinen]

Do you want to buy Karelia from this liberal guy LaSentinel ? You can't buy anything from him except underpants. Usually only losers in Russia are dissatisfied with Putin


No, I won't buy Karelia at any price. You have weird dreams. LaSentinelle wrote that he hates Bolsheviks, which sounds like patriotic speech. What is Putin more than an old commie who cheated an old ill man (Yeltsin)?

[ugochaves]

No, I won't buy Karelia at any price. You have weird dreams. LaSentinelle wrote that he hates Bolsheviks, which sounds like patriotic speech. What is Putin more than an old commie who cheated an old ill man (Yeltsin)?
Democracy turned out to be a utopia, just like communism. It's time to forget both. The point of mocking the memory of our ancestors? Surely you also had Communists in your family? Today we have 2 paths in front of us. Either liberalism or monarchism. Liberalism - migrants, sexual perversions, sadomy, and ultimately the death of Europe. Monarchism is not a dictatorship. Putin is an emperor today, owning 1/6 of all the resources of the earth. He has 150 million people under his command. 20 million strong men capable of holding weapons in their hands. About the same as Alexander 3. It's fascinating. Strength is always admirable. After Alexander 3, this is the only politician who is respected by the people. What is the point of us turning into a weak Europe and following the liberals?

[Lemminkäinen]

Democracy turned out to be a utopia, just like communism. It's time to forget both. The point of mocking the memory of our ancestors? Surely you also had Communists in your family? Today we have 2 paths in front of us. Either liberalism or monarchism. Liberalism - migrants, sexual perversions, sadomy, and ultimately the death of Europe. Monarchism is not a dictatorship. Putin is an emperor today, owning 1/6 of all the resources of the earth. He has 150 million people under his command. 20 million strong men capable of holding weapons in their hands. About the same as Alexander 3. It's fascinating. Strength is always admirable. After Alexander 3, this is the only politician who is respected by the people. What is the point of us turning into a weak Europe and following the liberals?

Russia has never been democracy and you stood 20 years for the change you want. I don't know what will happen next in Russia. We have made our choice. Maybe you can still select democracy after old commies, like Putin, have died. It is often better to break the circle, because good old times will never come back.

Yeah we had commies who got money and orders from USSR, but not even Soviet leaders took them seriously. Immediately after the end of USSR ended also the time for Finnish commies. They were not even a fifth column, just clowns and were hold to present show for the Soviet system. Finland was never like Italy or Germany with own commies.

[ugochaves]

Russia has never been democracy and you stood 20 years for the change you want. I don't know what will happen next in Russia. We have made our choice. Maybe you can still select democracy after old commies, like Putin, have died. It is often better to break the circle, because good old times will never come back.

Yeah we had commies who got money and orders from USSR, but not even Soviet leaders took them seriously. Immediately after the end of USSR ended also the time for Finnish commies. They were not even a fifth column, just payed clowns and were hold to present show for the Soviet system. Finland was never like Italy with own commies.
Friend, you are a good old grandfather. I respect your age. You are a smart Asian. However, just as susceptible to propaganda as young Finns. Rise above it. No need to humiliate anyone, no need to make Finns better than Russians. You are neither better nor worse. Absolutely the same. And stop calling Putin a communist. It's not true. For his reign, you need to come up with a new term, which has not been in the entire history of the world.

[Fortnite777]

121982
Hard to model Russians cuz they're drifty but I think clearly North Russians are more East Asian (Han + Ngan) than Finns et al

[ugochaves]

121981
Hard to model Russians cuz they're drifty but I think clearly North Russians are more East Asian (Han + Ngan) than Finns et al
These are Pomors. I'm not kidding, most look like this. Some are Asian.
https://i.ibb.co/hCFtRQm/123.jpg (https://ibb.co/JCjMR6s)

[ugochaves]

121982
Hard to model Russians cuz they're drifty but I think clearly North Russians are more East Asian (Han + Ngan) than Finns et al
Northern Russians are different. The Far North, where the Komi switched to Russian. Vologotian Russians are much more European in fenotype than Southern Russians with 0-1% Asian.
my mother is northern russian
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[Lemminkäinen]

Friend, you are a good old grandfather. I respect your age. You are a smart Asian. However, just as susceptible to propaganda as young Finns. Rise above it. No need to humiliate anyone, no need to make Finns better than Russians. You are neither better nor worse. Absolutely the same. And stop calling Putin a communist. It's not true. For his reign, you need to come up with a new term, which has not been in the entire history of the world.

People are same everywhere, but administrative systems vary. In my mind the administration of Czars was rather good. Of course it was a child of its time. The communistic system reached never the state that was expected, because at the end of the day it was just a autocracy or an oligharchy. No need to keep presentation, people know. I am not going to do it and hopefully you also do the same.

[ugochaves]

People are same everywhere, but administrative systems vary. In my mind the administration of Czars was rather good. Of course it was a child of its time. The communistic system reached never the state that was expected, because at the end of the day it was just a autocracy or an oligharchy. No need to keep presentation, people know. I am not going to do it and hopefully you also do the same.
My grandfather was a communist all his life. His father was lynched for supporting the Bolsheviks. I don't feel any anger towards these people. They were Russians. There was another life, other emotional vectors. You Finn start bringing up a 100 year old question. Today the system is completely different. We are less communist now than the Swedes and Finns. In the 90s we had bandit capitalism. Putin has established order and he is more likely to capitalize on a monarch than a communist. Our small business is developing very well, people are in abundance and in peace. I can call an ambulance at any time for free and it will cost 0 rubles. At the same time, I can do anything, even criticize Putin - nothing will happen to me for this. Tell me about Finland.

[gixajo]

My grandfather was a communist all his life. His father was lynched for supporting the Bolsheviks. I don't feel any anger towards these people. They were Russians. There was another life, other emotional vectors. You Finn start bringing up a 100 year old question. Today the system is completely different. We are less communist now than the Swedes and Finns. In the 90s we had bandit capitalism. Putin has established order and he is more likely to capitalize on a monarch than a communist. Our small business is developing very well, people are in abundance and in peace. I can call an ambulance at any time for free and it will cost 0 rubles. At the same time, I can do anything, even criticize Putin - nothing will happen to me for this. Tell me about Finland.

Can you call publicly and organize a demonstration in front of the Duma in favor of Ukraine or directly the peace with Ukraine and never will happen to you?

I can.

[gixajo]

My grandfather was a communist all his life. His father was lynched for supporting the Bolsheviks. I don't feel any anger towards these people. They were Russians. There was another life, other emotional vectors. You Finn start bringing up a 100 year old question. Today the system is completely different. We are less communist now than the Swedes and Finns. In the 90s we had bandit capitalism. Putin has established order and he is more likely to capitalize on a monarch than a communist. Our small business is developing very well, people are in abundance and in peace. I can call an ambulance at any time for free and it will cost 0 rubles. At the same time, I can do anything, even criticize Putin - nothing will happen to me for this. Tell me about Finland.

Can you choose someone who represents a really opposition option to Putin in an election? You can't, if she was really an opponent of Putin, they would have killed him, imprisoned him or he would have had to go into exile.

You can´t.

[gixajo]

My grandfather was a communist all his life. His father was lynched for supporting the Bolsheviks. I don't feel any anger towards these people. They were Russians. There was another life, other emotional vectors. You Finn start bringing up a 100 year old question. Today the system is completely different. We are less communist now than the Swedes and Finns. In the 90s we had bandit capitalism. Putin has established order and he is more likely to capitalize on a monarch than a communist. Our small business is developing very well, people are in abundance and in peace. I can call an ambulance at any time for free and it will cost 0 rubles. At the same time, I can do anything, even criticize Putin - nothing will happen to me for this. Tell me about Finland.

Can you choose to watch a free-to-air TV channel or radio that is not fully subject to the theses of your current government and that openly criticizes it?

You can not.

[vandor]

Can you choose to watch a free-to-air TV channel or radio that is not fully subject to the theses of your current government and that openly criticizes it?

You can not.

Who needs both in our days? I ask myself sometimes if it's a kind of procrastinating to come to apricity, but damn, imagine watching tv whatever is there. But anyway the freedom of speech circus ends up in Europe, you can get repressed, you can lose job for being not pro Ukrainian and that's truth. I see no problem with it, NATO countries are our enemies and it would be weird otherwise. You have to overcome politcorrecy and democratic bullshit and we will help you this way.

[vandor]

Can you choose someone who represents a really opposition option to Putin in an election? You can't, if she was really an opponent of Putin, they would have killed him, imprisoned him or he would have had to go into exile.

You can´t.

I don't have a need to choose anyone, plebeans should not choose rulers through populist circus

[vandor]

Can you call publicly and organize a demonstration in front of the Duma in favor of Ukraine or directly the peace with Ukraine and never will happen to you?

I can.

If I'll go insane I'll do it without permission.

[LaSentinelle]

Can you choose to watch a free-to-air TV channel or radio that is not fully subject to the theses of your current government and that openly criticizes it?

You can not.

Poor example because Russian TV channels are being banned all over the EU. The rest of the examples are alright.

[gixajo]

My grandfather was a communist all his life. His father was lynched for supporting the Bolsheviks. I don't feel any anger towards these people. They were Russians. There was another life, other emotional vectors. You Finn start bringing up a 100 year old question. Today the system is completely different. We are less communist now than the Swedes and Finns. In the 90s we had bandit capitalism. Putin has established order and he is more likely to capitalize on a monarch than a communist. Our small business is developing very well, people are in abundance and in peace. I can call an ambulance at any time for free and it will cost 0 rubles. At the same time, I can do anything, even criticize Putin - nothing will happen to me for this. Tell me about Finland.

You cannot initiate any type of action that implies a real opposition to the government of your country, you cannot dissent without repression .

You can't even start any real action that would change what Putin does, and this has been the case for over 20 years.

And it's not that you don't care, it's that since you can't do anything you settle in and say that it really isn't important, since you generally support what Putin is doing, and it´s all ok because you can call for an ambulance for free.

Do you know why you support him? Because nobody opposes him, and it is not shown that in reality, maybe the vast majority of Russians do not like Putin or what he is doing. but you think so, that they support it, because nothing that supports the opposite message is allowed.

Only when you talk to foreigners like us do you see some dissent and some criticism, and your government knows it and allows it (or at least some do)since it benefits them, because it reinforces the idea that the foreigner is lying, is deceived and is directed against you, when to whom we oppose is Putin and his war.

[ugochaves]

Can you choose someone who represents a really opposition option to Putin in an election? You can't, if she was really an opponent of Putin, they would have killed him, imprisoned him or he would have had to go into exile.

You can´t.
The alternative to Putin for me is a Russian nationalist. They still exist in Russia, many have left for the Ukrainian Azov. They are mostly underground. God forbid someone gets up! Putin will seem like Alice in wonderland. Did you know that the Ukrainian nationalism of "Azov" originated from Russia? But today I am many years old, I am no longer a young man. I have a daughter that I want to protect from a global war. We have a quiet life in Russia, I earn a lot, and my health has already been shaken. I don't need the youthful ambitions of the Russian world anymore. I want to live in peace. I'm going to the nearest store by car, not on foot. What war? When I drink, I'm always very aggressive, is it probably noticeable on the forum? But really now I want peace of mind for my daughter and for myself. Only Putin can give it.

[Slavic Italian]

Ladogan warheads. A Finnish dream of getting Karelia back.

https://youtu.be/YjDI6Sou2R0

I have some roots there. Also, involved in a couple DNA Projects. On Genotek my strongest matches are Karelian. Glad my ancestors left.

[vandor]

The alternative to Putin for me is a Russian nationalist. They still exist in Russia, many have left for the Ukrainian Azov. They are mostly underground. God forbid someone gets up! Putin will seem like Alice in wonderland. Did you know that the Ukrainian nationalism of "Azov" originated from Russia? But today I am many years old, I am no longer a young man. I have a daughter that I want to protect from a global war. We have a quiet life in Russia, I earn a lot, and my health has already been shaken. I don't need the youthful ambitions of the Russian world anymore. I want to live in peace. I'm going to the nearest store by car, not on foot. What war? When I drink, I'm always very aggressive, is it probably noticeable on the forum? But really now I want peace of mind for my daughter and for myself. Only Putin can give it.

Revolutions come not from the poors, but from idiots with money for whom life seems boring, it always comes from capitals and richer places. Only non pragmatic idiot would wish own country a defeat or revolution for the sake of some abstract bs which will probably make his life worse for years or decades meaning almost whole life.

[gixajo]

The alternative to Putin for me is a Russian nationalist. .

Oh what a great change!!! You would put another Putin for Putin.

I am sure that if you promote such a radical change, they even let you demonstrate in front of the Kremlin!!!

Do not forget to take large Russian flags, even the tsarist one. And if you also want a Serbian flag.

[vandor]

Oh what a great change!!!

I'm sure Putin agrees with you, in fact if you think that the only replacement for Putin is a Russian nationalist, it's because perhaps he himself has promoted that idea for the last 25 years.

You and similar people think about Putin much more than we do lol

[vandor]

Oh what a great change!!! You would put another Putin for Putin.

I am sure that if you promote such a radical change, they even let you demonstrate in front of the Kremlin!!!

Do not forget to take large Russian flags, even the tsarist one. And if you also want a Serbian flag.

I lived almost 37 years of my life without thinking about this abstract bullshit, different years of my life, worse and better ones, imagine wasting it on political masturbation. It is so uninteresting. Just live every day and use opportunities, no matter peaceful ones, war ones, whatever, you ain't gonna have one more life.

[ugochaves]

Oh what a great change!!!

I'm sure Putin agrees with you, in fact if you think that the only replacement for Putin is a Russian nationalist, it's because perhaps he himself has promoted that idea for the last 25 years.
Azov is the work of Russian nationalists from the 90s, do you still not understand? Previously, there were many supporters of nationalists in Russia, on the verge of Nazism. We were bullied by blacks. But Putin stopped it. Removed the blacks and removed the Nazis. Now Russia is very calm, good conditions for peaceful life. A favorable atmosphere for business. Why should we remove Putin when he is the last conservative leader in Europe?

[vandor]

Azov is the work of Russian nationalists from the 90s, do you still not understand? Previously, there were many supporters of nationalists in Russia, on the verge of Nazism. We were bullied by blacks. But Putin stopped it. Removed the blacks and removed the Nazis. Now Russia is very calm, good conditions for peaceful life. A favorable atmosphere for business. Why should we remove Putin when he is the last conservative leader in Europe?

Well, I also dunno what's my motivation to remove Putin. Gixajo can't sell me Putin's removal just like those guys from 2005-2010 won't sell me Kirby vacuum cleaner.

[ugochaves]

Revolutions come not from the poors, but from idiots with money for whom life seems boring, it always comes from capitals and richer places. Only non pragmatic idiot would wish own country a defeat or revolution for the sake of some abstract bs which will probably make his life worse for years or decades meaning almost whole life.
If it's wartime, there is one rule - to support your own, even if you didn't agree before. The rest is demogogy. If a Russian does not support his soldiers, he is a traitor. This has always been and always will be in Russia. The Leader is the last thing to think about at this time. we'll figure it out later.

[vandor]

If it's wartime, there is one rule - to support your own, even if you didn't agree before. The rest is demogogy. If a Russian does not support his soldiers, he is a traitor. This has always been and always will be in Russia. The ruler is the last thing to think about at this time. we'll figure it out later.

Nah dude it's bad, everyone in the World should think and act like the Bald man whose words towards some two random Russians in the internet won't change their mind not even speaking about millions of others. That's some magical thinking.

[vandor]

Oh what a great change!!! You would put another Putin for Putin.

I am sure that if you promote such a radical change, they even let you demonstrate in front of the Kremlin!!!

Do not forget to take large Russian flags, even the tsarist one. And if you also want a Serbian flag.

God save us from radical changes. There's a Chinese bad wish like "may you live in the times of changes" if I'm not wrong.

As a deeply antisoviet person (I had no party members from both sides) I find the collapse of USSR to be a tragedy, deep reforms were needed.

[ugochaves]

Nah dude it's bad, everyone in the World should think and act like the Bald man whose words towards some two random Russians in the internet won't change their mind not even speaking about millions of others. That's some magical thinking.
I didn't understand anything, tell me in Russian

[vandor]

I didn't understand anything, tell me in Russian

Ты неправильно рассуждаешь, это плохо, все должны думать и рассуждать как лысый басконский мужик, чьи слова двум рандомным русским в интернете не поменяют их мнения, не говоря уже о миллионах других русских, у него магическое мышление.

Это был такой сарказм.

[ugochaves]

This cunning Finnish grandfather made a good bet on the Russians. Although no one challenged him as a reindeer herder. now his topic is the most popular. And my topic about Filipinos is bent.

[Russki]

121982
Hard to model Russians cuz they're drifty but I think clearly North Russians are more East Asian (Han + Ngan) than Finns et al


Pinezhsky and Leshukonsky represent the North-Eastern part of the Arkhangelsk region and their EA input is higher than Finns, this I agree.


https://sun9-70.userapi.com/impg/rFNo2gIuzJVe5DmIKayAQ17cvnKyk7rbqNMjWA/entKX7yZz3s.jpg?size=584x440&quality=95&sign=b171789b64ba2d920f11663f6e2e8fef&type=album


Krasnoborsky represents the South-Eastern part of the Arkhangelsk region. According to your picture its EA input is similar to Northern and Eastern Finns.


https://sun9-9.userapi.com/impg/gBj5Bva7032AEZmFyy64Q5KZYEmfvjN4tr1RSA/MRwS342hFHo.jpg?size=285x440&quality=95&sign=da993ef4bc341ae1d78be6923c727c3a&type=album


Kargopol represents the South-Western part of the Arkhangelsk region. For some reason there is no Russian_Kargopol or Russian_Kargopolsky in G25, but from the K15 datasheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QWzK3Zb7fxky6bguizFty2gXbEmJ3GZkQZOLfYDMzUQ/htmlview) their Siberian/SE Asian is inbetween the general Finnish average and Southwestern Finns, a bit closer to the general Finnish average.


https://sun9-16.userapi.com/impg/yWE9aeyySsc7SnQVH2DHBzQKkZXM3G2o4yk6XA/X626pRgHJg4.jpg?size=402x169&quality=95&sign=6415340288b3a4688175b1d94dcee659&type=album

https://sun9-34.userapi.com/impg/-SSyxpEmxcN79EoMSkmpoPP_0VjopqUDMAK1BQ/gFjqI3W_yDM.jpg?size=285x440&quality=95&sign=dd720b86bb20a836d6bd47515a015b82&type=album


So while I agree that the North-Eastern part of the Arkhangelsk region has more EA input than all Finns, the South-Western part has a slightly lower EA input than the average of Finland.

[Lemminkäinen]

My grandfather was a communist all his life. His father was lynched for supporting the Bolsheviks. I don't feel any anger towards these people. They were Russians. There was another life, other emotional vectors. You Finn start bringing up a 100 year old question. Today the system is completely different. We are less communist now than the Swedes and Finns. In the 90s we had bandit capitalism. Putin has established order and he is more likely to capitalize on a monarch than a communist. Our small business is developing very well, people are in abundance and in peace. I can call an ambulance at any time for free and it will cost 0 rubles. At the same time, I can do anything, even criticize Putin - nothing will happen to me for this. Tell me about Finland.

Finland is a shit place. We have high taxes, miserable health care, lying politicians, rainy summers and cold winters. Food is expensive. Houses cold and moldy. Our neighbor is a militaristic freak. People lose their work if they even accidentally say or write something against the Woke ideology.

[ugochaves]

Finland is a shit place. We have high taxes, miserable health care, lying politicians, rainy summers and cold winters. Food is expensive. Houses cold and moldy. Our neighbor is a militaristic freak. People lose their work if they even accidentally say or write something against the Woke ideology.
Thank you, Grandfather. You're the best! Damn English, so stupid...he's already pissing me off. what the fuck is a grandfather if you're a ded!

[ugochaves]

I do not know Finnish, but I suspect that any language, even Filipino, is much more capacious than this simplicity of English

[Loki]

You cannot initiate any type of action that implies a real opposition to the government of your country, you cannot dissent without repression .

You can't even start any real action that would change what Putin does, and this has been the case for over 20 years.

And it's not that you don't care, it's that since you can't do anything you settle in and say that it really isn't important, since you generally support what Putin is doing, and it´s all ok because you can call for an ambulance for free.

Do you know why you support him? Because nobody opposes him, and it is not shown that in reality, maybe the vast majority of Russians do not like Putin or what he is doing. but you think so, that they support it, because nothing that supports the opposite message is allowed.

Only when you talk to foreigners like us do you see some dissent and some criticism, and your government knows it and allows it (or at least some do)since it benefits them, because it reinforces the idea that the foreigner is lying, is deceived and is directed against you, when to whom we oppose is Putin and his war.

Why do you guys have such a hardon about Putin? The Russians are happy with their leader, they chose him. That's all you need to know. The rest is none of your business, Russian internal affairs.

[Loki]

Oh what a great change!!! You would put another Putin for Putin.

I am sure that if you promote such a radical change, they even let you demonstrate in front of the Kremlin!!!

Do not forget to take large Russian flags, even the tsarist one. And if you also want a Serbian flag.

Many people from many countries in the world are jealous of Russia because of its very popular and effective President. He is admired worldwide, and for good reason. Putin is one of the good things that make Russia great. Stop being jealous.

[Voskos]

Many people from many countries in the world are jealous of Russia because of its very popular and effective President. He is admired worldwide, and for good reason. Putin is one of the good things that make Russia great. Stop being jealous.

He's an idiot, but at least he loves his country unlike most european leaders.

[Lemminkäinen]

Why do you guys have such a hardon about Putin? The Russians are happy with their leader, they chose him. That's all you need to know. The rest is none of your business, Russian internal affairs.

People are afraid of speaking. Russian tourists visiting here are today speechless. There could be many reasons for it. Maybe they have digested the new order and don't talk out of turn, maybe it is only survival instinct. In our eastern towns Russian tourists used to cover 20% of the daily sales, now 2% IDK. Usually they used long term visas and visited regularly. It takes only 2 years to drive from Petersburg to Finland. The train (Pendolino) took 3.5 hours from Petersburg to Helsinki. Today western tourists have replaced Russian ones. Before our Nato membership westerners were afraid of the nearness of Russia, so I am sceptical about your idea of western people respecting Putin.

[Lemminkäinen]

He's an idiot, but at least he loves his country unlike most european leaders.

How did you come to a conclusion that western leaders don't live their country. Isn't true that Putin and his inner circle gathered fabulous wealth, like big yacts everywhere in the world? Why his relatives and friends spent time f. ex. Sardinia, not in Russia?

[Voskos]

How did you come to a conclusion that western leaders don't live their country. Isn't true that Putin and his inner circle gathered fabulous wealth, like big yacts everywhere in the world? Why his relatives and friends spent time f. ex. Sardinia, not in Russia?

If you love your country you defend its interests no matter the consequences and that's what he did. Besides, that's also what Zelenski did. Those are two examples of patriotic leaders, and they both aren't western.

I personally am not patriotic, because being patriotic has consequences and modern Greece isn't worth being patriotic either way. I don't like Greeks, I don't even like Cretans (even though I am a Cretan Greek), the reason is that they are corrupt greedy scumbags with 0 morality , no respect for elders, no decency, neonazi tendencies, no concern for weak people (like the poor, the ill etc) and a huge tendency to be slaves to anyone that pays them enough.

That being said I'm simply making an observation, that Putin is indeed a patriotic leader faithful to his country. Generally it's rare to find such a leader nowadays because in most capitalistic countries , the interest of financial institutions and big corporations come first and has a bigger importance than the interest of the people (or of the nation if you are a nationalist).

Concerning his relatives, he's not responsible for them I guess.

[Loki]

He's an idiot, but at least he loves his country unlike most european leaders.

You're an idiot if you think the person leading Russia for more than 20 years, overseeing its transformation from a basket case to one of the strongest and most stable countries in the world today, is an idiot. Idiots can't achieve such success, especially not in a vast and challenging country such as Russia.

[Loki]

People are afraid of speaking. Russian tourists visiting here are today speechless. There could be many reasons for it. Maybe they have digested the new order and don't talk out of turn, maybe it is only survival instinct. In our eastern towns Russian tourists used to cover 20% of the daily sales, now 2% IDK. Usually they used long term visas and visited regularly. It takes only 2 years to drive from Petersburg to Finland. The train (Pendolino) took 3.5 hours from Petersburg to Helsinki. Today western tourists have replaced Russian ones. Before our Nato membership westerners were afraid of the nearness of Russia, so I am sceptical about your idea of western people respecting Putin.

And I'm skeptical of your intelligence if you truly believe all this. The idea that Russians are afraid of speaking has already been debunked many times. It's just a propaganda idea. Putin doesn't rule like a tyrant, his people like him and don't want another leader.

And yes, many, many Western people admire Putin. Maybe not in Finland, but everywhere else. Open your eyes. And by the way, Russian tourists are avoiding Finland because of your Russophobia, and so they should. Why would they want to go where they are not welcome?

[Lemminkäinen]

And I'm skeptical of your intelligence if you truly believe all this. The idea that Russians are afraid of speaking has already been debunked many times. It's just a propaganda idea. Putin doesn't rule like a tyrant, his people like him and don't want another leader.

And yes, many, many Western people admire Putin. Maybe not in Finland, but everywhere else. Open your eyes. And by the way, Russian tourists are avoiding Finland because of your Russophobia, and so they should. Why would they want to go where they are not welcome?

They are welcome to Finland, but the recoprocally tightened Visa practice has almost ended tourism between countries.

[Finnish Swede]

You like this song Lemmi :)?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZvOaWBgnj0

[KirillMazur]

I lived almost 37 years of my life without thinking about this abstract bullshit, different years of my life, worse and better ones, imagine wasting it on political masturbation. It is so uninteresting. Just live every day and use opportunities, no matter peaceful ones, war ones, whatever, you ain't gonna have one more life.
I also came to the conclusion that it is not worth wasting time on things that are beyond your influence.
Moreover, compare the level of armament of the sides to the conflict at the beginning of the 20th century and now - at the beginning of the century, everyone has pistols and rifles, both the state troops and the rebels, and now inequality, to put it mildly, has grown:).
Live and get high within the limits of your possibilities, at most - change your country of residence. Countries now are just service providers, by and large. As for Putin, if not him, then who and how? IMHO, he is extremely soft and cautious in relation to the population, taking into account the level of that international siege, which we (commoners) do not even know about.
Society is not yet ready for socialism (+ the theory is not developed), for Western-style democracy it is no longer ready, we see what it really is. So, as always, Russia has "its own way". I can also add that nationalism and religious hatred - this is what can really destroy Russia from the inside.

As a deeply antisoviet person (I had no party members from both sides) I find the collapse of USSR to be a tragedy, deep reforms were needed.
+1.
As a descendant of people to whom the USSR and Bolshevism gave everything, turning them from criminals into professional officers (paternal side), I agree with the statement.

[Zeno]

If you love your country you defend its interests no matter the consequences and that's what he did. Besides, that's also what Zelenski did. Those are two examples of patriotic leaders, and they both aren't western.

I personally am not patriotic, because being patriotic has consequences and modern Greece isn't worth being patriotic either way. I don't like Greeks, I don't even like Cretans (even though I am a Cretan Greek), the reason is that they are corrupt greedy scumbags with 0 morality , no respect for elders, no decency, neonazi tendencies, no concern for weak people (like the poor, the ill etc) and a huge tendency to be slaves to anyone that pays them enough.

That being said I'm simply making an observation, that Putin is indeed a patriotic leader faithful to his country. Generally it's rare to find such a leader nowadays because in most capitalistic countries , the interest of financial institutions and big corporations come first and has a bigger importance than the interest of the people (or of the nation if you are a nationalist).

Concerning his relatives, he's not responsible for them I guess.

I more than hope you don't live in Greece then, because if you do, with the feelings that you expressed just right here... That's straight up parasitism. You're cussing the country that feeds you, no matter how much it feeds you with, and yet you live in it.

As for Vladimir Vladimirovich: he might be patriotic, and put his country's interests above all others, but he still personally lives on the expense of the vast majority of the Russians.