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Sacrificed Ram
06-24-2023, 11:39 AM
ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

John 1:1 (https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/gnt/joh001.htm)

When did the word λόγος (Logic), became translated as just "word". and why?

Logic is an very embracing and complex concept to be translated as merely "word".

lei.talk
06-24-2023, 01:57 PM
wiktionary.org/λόγος#Noun (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/λόγος#Noun)


eventually developed in to




wiktionary.org/λογικός#Etymology (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/λογικός#Etymology)

Sacrificed Ram
06-24-2023, 03:55 PM
The Gospel of John identifies the Christian Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos), and further identifies Jesus Christ as the incarnate Logos. Early translators of the Greek New Testament, such as Jerome (in the 4th century AD), were frustrated by the inadequacy of any single Latin word to convey the meaning of the word logos as used to describe Jesus Christ in the Gospel of John. The Vulgate Bible usage of in principio erat verbum was thus constrained to use the (perhaps inadequate) noun verbum for "word"; later Romance language translations had the advantage of nouns such as le Verbe in French. Reformation translators took another approach. Martin Luther rejected Zeitwort (verb) in favor of Wort (word), for instance, although later commentators repeatedly turned to a more dynamic use involving the living word as used by Jerome and Augustine. The term is also used in Sufism, and the analytical psychology of Carl Jung.

Despite the conventional translation as "word", logos is not used for a word in the grammatical sense—for that, the term lexis (λέξις, léxis) was used. However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb légō (λέγω), meaning "(I) count, tell, say, speak".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

Then at time Gospel of John was written, "logos" didn't have the meaning of only "word".

It can induce an error of understanding the nature of God.

Sacrificed Ram
06-24-2023, 04:12 PM
Even the indo-european root "*leǵ-" has the meaning of "order".

Hexachordia
06-25-2023, 11:39 AM
It is also reasonable to interprete logos as law, since the indo-european root word lego is similar to logos. Word-law-logic-grammar, sounds feasible. That is why european languages have complex grammatical systems. Christ created the european languages and encoded his laws into them.

Petalpusher
06-25-2023, 01:04 PM
Logos was the capacity of using words in a rationnal manner (logias). My bet is that's where the connexion comes from.

Sacrificed Ram
07-05-2023, 06:21 PM
Logos was the capacity of using words in a rationnal manner (logias). My bet is that's where the connexion comes from.

It must be the true, but simply translate "word" isn't enough due can create just fixation in "word" cult, even it being irrational.

Just remember chimpanzees can score 90 IQ points even without none lexical domain, just lexus doesn't imply logic/rationality, as absense of lexus doesn't imply absense of logic.