K3 turn-of-times Central Europe calculator scaled

[rothaer]

K3 turn-of-times Central Europe calculator scaled

for ethnic Germans, Danes, Sorbs, Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Lithuanians, Belarusians and any mixture of these only.

EDIT: I removed the statement regarding Dutch, Hungarians, Slovenes and Ukrainians being fitting.

Simple, stable, applicable.


(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%,0.127482,0.152329,0.050534,0.005814,0.047701,0 .00251,0.004465,0.011307,0.02127,0.026606,-0.002598,0.006594,-0.009366,-0.004954,0.007736,-0.009149,-0.017602,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004627,0.000998,0.002349,-0.004067,-0.005543,-0.006347
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197

[rothaer]

https://i.imgur.com/ZUFdleT.jpg

[Jana]

Hope you accept my north Croat friend into this calculator :angel:

Target: Martin_scaled
Distance: 0.0283% / 0.02830282

57.6 (Balto-)Slavic
33.5 Celtic-like
8.9 Germanic

[Abriekman]

Target: Abriekman_Dad_scaled(Polish_Ukraine)
Distance: 2.4647% / 0.02464736
72.2 (Balto-)Slavic
19.8 Germanic
8.0 Celtic-like

[cass]

https://i.ibb.co/bzsYTyd/cass.jpg (https://ibb.co/5BrCmzc)
Very informative

[rothaer]

Hope you accept my north Croat friend into this calculator :angel:

Target: Martin_scaled
Distance: 0.0283% / 0.02830282

57.6 (Balto-)Slavic
33.5 Celtic-like
8.9 Germanic

:thumb001: However, a good example. Surprisingly low Germanic for him. The reason is likely that all "wog" is forced to be represented by Celtic-like and after the concentration of wog in Celtic-like is notably lower than in Balkan or Graeco-Roman and when you in fact have Balkan or Graeco-Roman it requires more percentages to express it with Celtic-like, which in turn then lack for other components as 100% is the maximum. This is likely somewhat the case here and Germanic became the "victim" of this shortage of percentages. As a Kaikavian he likely is as legit as Hungarians and Slovenes, but I think they are also already borderline suitable for this calculator.

Another invalidity will appear if you come too far west in the proximity of the British Isles with their insular Celtic. That will be misassigned as Germanic. And on the Scandinavian peninsula Finnish and alike will be mainly misassigned as Balto-Slavic. The same will apply to Russians with their notable Finnic proportions. Essentially every area that contains anything else than the three components in the calculator will yield wrong results. Unfortunately.

[Jana]

^^^^all true.

I think this calculator is nice, but not realistic for southern Germans/Austrians, Slovenes, Hungarians and Rusyns/SW Ukrainians because they have actual Roman/Vlach input too, unlike the rest from your list.

[mariusz99]

Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.6287% / 0.01628746
74.0 (Balto-)Slavic
25.6 Germanic
0.4 Celtic-like

[Abriekman]

K3 turn-of-times Central Europe calculator scaled

for ethnic Germans, Dutch, Danes, Sorbs, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Slovenes, Poles, Lithuanians, Belarusians, Ukrainians and any mixture of these only.

Simple, stable, applicable.


(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%,0.127482,0.152329,0.050534,0.005814,0.047701,0 .00251,0.004465,0.011307,0.02127,0.026606,-0.002598,0.006594,-0.009366,-0.004954,0.007736,-0.009149,-0.017602,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004627,0.000998,0.002349,-0.004067,-0.005543,-0.006347
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197



Target: Abriekman_Dad_scaled(Polish_Ukraine)
Distance: 2.4647% / 0.02464736
72.2 (Balto-)Slavic
19.8 Germanic
8.0 Celtic-like

I think you need to add something Pannonian/Carpathian-like because no way my parent's West European admixture is so high. Slovaks are the closest to him on G25 so obviously he has something like that and it got absorbed to Germanic or Celtic

[Jana]

https://i.ibb.co/bzsYTyd/cass.jpg (https://ibb.co/5BrCmzc)
Very informative


Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.6287% / 0.01628746
74.0 (Balto-)Slavic
25.6 Germanic
0.4 Celtic-like

Poles are more Germanic than I tought.

[rothaer]

^^^^all true.

I think this calculator is nice, but not realistic for southern Germans/Austrians, Slovenes, Hungarians and Rusyns/SW Ukrainians because they have actual Roman/Vlach input too, unlike the rest from your list.

Unsure about Alpine Germans. The Celtic-like reference is pretty woggy and indigenous to the IA Alps, so it could be sufficient. But if they got added real Roman to a notable amount, you are right.

[Abriekman]

Poles are more Germanic than I tought.

Mariusz is 1/8 German if I am not wrong

[Jana]

Unsure about Alpine Germans. The Celtic-like reference is pretty woggy and indigenous to the IA Alps, so it could be sufficient. But if they got added real Roman to a notable amount, you are right.

True, it's pretty woggy but I think there was real Roman input, just like in France. Which would make Alpine Germans more Germanic, but with extra wog.


Mariusz is 1/8 German if I am not wrong

I think so, but look at cass table. 10-20% Germanic seems to be the average. I tought Poles are like 85-90% early Slavic on average (closer to 90%)

[Beowulf]

Poles are more Germanic than I tought.

That would may be the reason for my grandma also getting some germanic in her results (adding a iberian sample)


Target: Abuela
Distance: 1.0469% / 0.01046858
78.8 Iberian
14.2 (Balto-)Slavic
7.0 Germanic

[Lemminkäinen]

Siberian added.

Distance to: maurim1_scaled
0.04436463 Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.05002120 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.05150069 Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%
0.05210715 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
0.06122503 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.06852042 Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%
0.11448779 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
0.58763491 Siberian

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 2.3307% / 0.02330683
39.2 Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%
37.4 Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
14.6 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
4.6 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
4.2 Siberian

[rothaer]

I think you need to add something Pannonian/Carpathian-like because no way my parent's West European admixture is so high. Slovaks are the closest to him on G25 so obviously he has something like that and got absorbed to Germanic or Celtic

This could be true as for Ukrainians, yes. The problem is that with one more southernish component people with resembling genetics will be assigned in a bouncy way, one with a lot of Balkan, then consuming less percentages, and another one just with Celtic-like and then consuming more percentages. This will then inevitable affect the other percentages. This is what I'd then call an instable calculator. It's disturbing when full siblings do get modelled arbitrarily this way or that way. Hence I tried to force it to a uniform modelling, but the "price" is that it will be true just for a restricted area.

[Abriekman]

True, it's pretty woggy but I think there was real Roman input, just like in France. Which would make Alpine Germans more Germanic, but with extra wog.



I think so, but look at cass table. 10-20% Germanic seems to be the average. I tought Poles are like 85-90% early Slavic on average (closer to 90%)

Yes, but it really depends on the region. There are mainly Poles from Wielkopolska, Silesia ( the most German regions basically ) and Kashubians on the table. There are many users on the forum from eastern parts of Poland, like Warsaw or Krakow and they are closer to Russians/Belarussians/Ukrainians by distance than to anyone else.

[mariusz99]

I'd like to see other results from eastern part of Poland. I know only Lukasz, he could be 100% Slavic and my girlfriend:


Target: Aneta_scaled
Distance: 2.7651% / 0.02765085
83.6 (Balto-)Slavic
9.2 Celtic-like
7.2 Germanic

[cass]

Yes, but it really depends on the region. There are mainly Poles from Wielkopolska, Silesia ( the most German regions basically ) and Kashubians on the table. There are many users on the forum from eastern parts of Poland, like Warsaw or Krakow and they are closer to Russians/Belarussians/Ukrainians by distance than to anyone else.

There are Mazovians, East Poles too. Your father (from Ukrainian Mazurs) is close too.

[rothaer]

(...) I think so, but look at cass table. 10-20% Germanic seems to be the average. I tought Poles are like 85-90% early Slavic on average (closer to 90%)

He has many western (Wielkopolska) and nothern Poles and the Strzelce individual will neatly be an ethnic Pole at the border to a Lower Silesian German.

Lukasz gets this:

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 3.3058% / 0.03305805
90.6 (Balto-)Slavic
9.4 Celtic-like

[cass]

Poles are more Germanic than I tought.

"Rex Sclavorum, Gothorum sive Polonorum" The official title of the first king Bolesław.

IMHO They were more Scando in MA.
https://i.ibb.co/XWFQQKD/11111.jpg (https://ibb.co/sgsffNC)

[Jana]

Yes, but it really depends on the region. There are mainly Poles from Wielkopolska, Silesia ( the most German regions basically ) and Kashubians on the table. There are many users on the forum from eastern parts of Poland, like Warsaw or Krakow and they are closer to Russians/Belarussians/Ukrainians by distance than to anyone else.


I'd like to see other results from eastern part of Poland. I know only Lukasz, he could be 100% Slavic and my girlfriend:


Target: Aneta_scaled
Distance: 2.7651% / 0.02765085
83.6 (Balto-)Slavic
9.2 Celtic-like
7.2 Germanic

here is result of my friend's Polish girlfriend. She's full Mazovian, with ancestors living in Warsaw for few generations if I remember correctly.

Target: K
Distance: 0.0214% / 0.02144353

89.1 (Balto-)Slavic
8.0 Celtic-like
2.9 Germanic

[mariusz99]

here is result of my friend's Polish girlfriend. She's full Mazovian, with ancestors living in Warsaw for few generations if I remember correctly.

Target: K
Distance: 0.0214% / 0.02144353

89.1 (Balto-)Slavic
8.0 Celtic-like
2.9 Germanic

Thanks. So 10-17% Celtic/Germanic for Mazovia is normal. My father is few generations from Warsaw (from father site)

[rothaer]

here is result of my friend's Polish girlfriend. She's full Mazovian, with ancestors living in Warsaw for few generations if I remember correctly.

Target: K
Distance: 0.0214% / 0.02144353

89.1 (Balto-)Slavic
8.0 Celtic-like
2.9 Germanic

With Germanic becoming moderate... :)

[Lemminkäinen]

Viking Age Gotlanders give me Siberian and give better fit.

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.7031% / 0.01703123
43.8 SWE_Gotland_VA
31.8 Germanic
14.6 Baltic_LVA_BA
8.0 Balto-)Slavic
1.8 Siberian

Target: maurim1_scaled
Distance: 1.8313% / 0.01831331
53.6 Germanic
31.6 Baltic_LVA_BA
10.4 Balto-)Slavic
4.4 Siberian

[Jana]

With Germanic becoming moderate... :)

She has no ancestors from Kresy. But yeah. On gedmatch she is like 10% Germanic and rest Slavic with noise level wog but G25 should be more accurate.

could you run Lucas?

[rothaer]

She has no ancestors from Kresy. But yeah. On gedmatch she is like 10% Germanic and rest Slavic with noise level wog but G25 should be more accurate.

could you run Lucas?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374321-K3-turn-of-times-Central-Europe-calculator-scaled&p=7743307&viewfull=1#post7743307

[Abriekman]

Your father (from Ukrainian Mazurs) is close too.

I do not know... I think he is closer to Southeast Poles anyway, those with relatively low level of Celtic or Germanic. I am sure that not only Mazurs settled Podolie because by results it seems he has more blood of settlers from Lesser Poland, because of the affinity to Slovaks.

[J. Ketch]

I don't think the immediate Celtic source in the Netherlands is as southern shifted as that Austria La Tene sample, it would have been French-like, just like the Celtic influence in England.

[Jana]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374321-K3-turn-of-times-Central-Europe-calculator-scaled&p=7743307&viewfull=1#post7743307

I apologize, missed your post.




Lukasz gets this:

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 3.3058% / 0.03305805
90.6 (Balto-)Slavic
9.4 Celtic-like

Wow, very similar to my friend's GF :) I tought he will be near 100% Slavic hehe.

[cass]

https://i.ibb.co/fQjhS3j/111112.jpg (https://ibb.co/kMNRyLN)
A wider spectrum, unfortunately without detailed locations.
Avg 76,4% Slavic

[Abriekman]

East Slavs

Target: Ukrainian_Ternopil
Distance: 2.6365% / 0.02636496
63.0 (Balto-)Slavic
22.6 Germanic
14.4 Celtic-like

Target: Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
Distance: 2.0722% / 0.02072208
71.0 (Balto-)Slavic
14.8 Celtic-like
14.2 Germanic

Target: Ukrainian_Cherkasy
Distance: 2.3030% / 0.02302989
82.0 (Balto-)Slavic
11.4 Celtic-like
6.6 Germanic

Target: Ukrainian_Donetsk
Distance: 2.5131% / 0.02513111
90.6 (Balto-)Slavic
9.4 Celtic-like

Target: Ukrainian_Kiev
Distance: 2.8180% / 0.02817961
90.4 (Balto-)Slavic
6.2 Celtic-like
3.4 Germanic

Target: East_Europe:Ukrainian_Chernihiv
Distance: 1.7933% / 0.01793328
93.2 (Balto-)Slavic
6.8 Celtic-like

Target: Russian_Voronez
Distance: 1.8450% / 0.01845045
93.4 (Balto-)Slavic
4.0 Celtic-like
2.6 Germanic

Target: Russian_Kursk
Distance: 1.9882% / 0.01988170
93.8 (Balto-)Slavic
5.2 Germanic
1.0 Celtic-like

[rothaer]

I apologize, missed your post.

Lukasz is the eternal reference for proto Poles. :p

Btw. here's one more Pole, even more extreme:

Target: LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.7392% / 0.02739192
95.6 (Balto-)Slavic
4.4 Celtic-like

[cass]

https://i.ibb.co/kK5HXsT/1111123.jpg (https://ibb.co/XXj2trP)

Germans
42,3% Germanic

[cass]

East Slavs

Target: Ukrainian_Ternopil
Distance: 2.6365% / 0.02636496
63.0 (Balto-)Slavic
22.6 Germanic
14.4 Celtic-like

Target: Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
Distance: 2.0722% / 0.02072208
71.0 (Balto-)Slavic
14.8 Celtic-like
14.2 Germanic

Target: Ukrainian_Cherkasy
Distance: 2.3030% / 0.02302989
82.0 (Balto-)Slavic
11.4 Celtic-like
6.6 Germanic

Target: Ukrainian_Donetsk
Distance: 2.5131% / 0.02513111
90.6 (Balto-)Slavic
9.4 Celtic-like

Target: Ukrainian_Kiev
Distance: 2.8180% / 0.02817961
90.4 (Balto-)Slavic
6.2 Celtic-like
3.4 Germanic

Target: East_Europe:Ukrainian_Chernihiv
Distance: 1.7933% / 0.01793328
93.2 (Balto-)Slavic
6.8 Celtic-like

Target: Russian_Voronez
Distance: 1.8450% / 0.01845045
93.4 (Balto-)Slavic
4.0 Celtic-like
2.6 Germanic

Target: Russian_Kursk
Distance: 1.9882% / 0.01988170
93.8 (Balto-)Slavic
5.2 Germanic
1.0 Celtic-like

Without Balkanic, Finnish samples it doesnt make sense

[rothaer]

https://i.ibb.co/kK5HXsT/1111123.jpg (https://ibb.co/XXj2trP)

Germans
42,3% Germanic

Not too far from my 41.8% in this calculator.

Btw. you have them all in the order of woggyness. I already noted and considered it not being by chance in your first table. How did you do?

[cass]

https://i.ibb.co/PN4C5qv/11111234.jpg (https://ibb.co/W6FKcm4)
Celtic Austria :thumb001:

[Jana]

Celtic eats too much Germanic in southern Germans. They are in fact more Germanic than that significantly. But they have actual wog in sense of post Roman East Med.

[Abriekman]

Without Balkanic, Finnish samples it doesnt make sense

Yes, it's true, so there is no way to see if Celto-Germanic is real without adding Balkan.
Serbs are half Balkan but we can use it as a proxy for Balkan I suppose

What is interesting is that West Ukrainians are probably Ukrainized Poles or partly Austrians in reality

Target: Ukrainian_Ternopil
Distance: 2.2066% / 0.02206627
51.6 (Balto-)Slavic
30.6 Serb
17.8 Germanic



Target: Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
Distance: 1.8164% / 0.01816373
55.8 (Balto-)Slavic
26.0 Serb
18.2 Germanic


Even with Balkan they score high Germanic

Except Lwow, it doesn't

Target: Ukrainian_Lviv
Distance: 1.2147% / 0.01214716
57.2 (Balto-)Slavic
38.0 Serb
4.8 Germanic

[cass]

Not too far from my 41.8% in this calculator.

Btw. you have them all in the order of woggyness. I already noted and considered it not being by chance in your first table. How did you do?

LOL
It can confirm my distant origin from Kujawy.
https://i.ibb.co/rpxPVWY/1907-211-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/1XrVkS1)

[Scandal]

I'm confused, how do you get your own coords?

[Russki]

for ethnic Germans, Dutch, Danes, Sorbs, Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Lithuanians, Belarusians and any mixture of these only.


I added Western Finns, Eastern Finns and Tatars just to be sure.


https://sun9-22.userapi.com/impg/Qbrs8Mb3DHWRaSFBPlGPiDj-Cn4M9lxqLsbDzw/j9Sf5fHEpdw.jpg?size=750x700&quality=95&sign=15433460026a02eda28b99910a3c79b6&type=album



I don't think the immediate Celtic source in the Netherlands is as southern shifted as that Austria La Tene sample, it would have been French-like, just like the Celtic influence in England.


What would you use instead of Austria La Tene?

[Grace O'Malley]

:thumb001: However, a good example. Surprisingly low Germanic for him. The reason is likely that all "wog" is forced to be represented by Celtic-like and after the concentration of wog in Celtic-like is notably lower than in Balkan or Graeco-Roman and when you in fact have Balkan or Graeco-Roman it requires more percentages to express it with Celtic-like, which in turn then lack for other components as 100% is the maximum. This is likely somewhat the case here and Germanic became the "victim" of this shortage of percentages. As a Kaikavian he likely is as legit as Hungarians and Slovenes, but I think they are also already borderline suitable for this calculator.

Another invalidity will appear if you come too far west in the proximity of the British Isles with their insular Celtic. That will be misassigned as Germanic. And on the Scandinavian peninsula Finnish and alike will be mainly misassigned as Balto-Slavic. The same will apply to Russians with their notable Finnic proportions. Essentially every area that contains anything else than the three components in the calculator will yield wrong results. Unfortunately.

Insular Celtic is not really the same as Continental Celtic because it is northern Bell Beaker. Yes I get mainly Germanic on this calc.


Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.9527% / 0.01952670
92.0 Germanic
8.0 Celtic-like

[alnortedelsur]

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.4780% / 0.03478033
85.0 Celtic-like
8.2 Amerindian
6.8 Western_African

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.4780% / 0.03478033 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.0 Celtic-like
8.2 Amerindian
6.8 Western_African

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.4780% / 0.03478033 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.0 Celtic-like
8.2 Amerindian
6.8 Western_African



Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.09081152 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
0.11953862 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.12170732 Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%
0.12783474 Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%
0.14109174 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.14432051 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
0.14489811 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.62308778 Amerindian
0.70355223 Western_African

[rothaer]

Insular Celtic is not really the same as Continental Celtic because it is northern Bell Beaker. Yes I get mainly Germanic on this calc.


Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.9527% / 0.01952670
92.0 Germanic
8.0 Celtic-like

Exactly.

And that problem is not easy to solve. Davidski seemingly saw it unsolvable in G25 so he made a new G25 Celtic vs. Germanic coords system only for that task.

[Grace O'Malley]

Exactly.

And that problem is not easy to solve. Davidski seemingly saw it unsolvable in G25 so he made a new G25 Celtic vs. Germanic coords system only for that task.

Yes that one uses drift. It's not perfect either.

[Jana]

Exactly.

And that problem is not easy to solve. Davidski seemingly saw it unsolvable in G25 so he made a new G25 Celtic vs. Germanic coords system only for that task.

I don't think it's that hard to solve if you used British IA samples for insular Celtic.

[rothaer]

I don't think it's that hard to solve if you used British IA samples for insular Celtic.

You don’t get rid of an overlap that is historically incorrect. I tested a lot.

[Abriekman]

This could be true as for Ukrainians, yes.

Not only West Ukrainians but Czech, Slovaks, South Poles. I think I may not understand your point, isn't Carpathian/Pannonian/Balkan too different comparing to Celtic so adding it to the model doesn't cause any problems?

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't think it's that hard to solve if you used British IA samples for insular Celtic.

There is still a lot of overlap with Anglo-Saxon and Germanic samples. I've wondered if IBD can be used or is that only for relatively recent ancestry? I know that Ancestry used IBD for their GCs but that only appears to go back a few generations. Possibly some finer tuned techniques in the future will be able to discern the differences between Insular Celts and Germanics.

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2524% / 0.02252421
41.0 Celtic-like
31.8 (Balto-)Slavic
27.2 Germanic

[Lemminkäinen]

There is still a lot of overlap with Anglo-Saxon and Germanic samples. I've wondered if IBD can be used or is that only for relatively recent ancestry? I know that Ancestry used IBD for their GCs but that only appears to go back a few generations. Possibly some finer tuned techniques in the future will be able to discern the differences between Insular Celts and Germanics.

There is a new software searching ancient IBDs to see putative ancient relatednesses, but It was quite a new software and experimental. Problems in finding reliable ancient IBDs are big. The statistics used in this field is more complex than those used in finding relatives at age less than 500 years. Older softwares trying to find admixture events by using smaller IBDs down to 1 cM didn't work well. This is only my opinion though.

[mariusz99]

Which samples from India and Finland can be added to this calc to show Ugrofinnic admixture and Gypsy ancestry?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Brad
Distance: 1.5663% / 0.01566326

83.0 Germanic
9.2 Celtic-like
7.8 (Balto-)Slavic

[rothaer]

Not only West Ukrainians but Czech, Slovaks, South Poles. I think I may not understand your point, isn't Carpathian/Pannonian/Balkan too different comparing to Celtic so adding it to the model doesn't cause any problems?

A very good question.

I tested a lot and it did not work as the various wog components behaved interchangeable in the calculator. Although with different proportions, of course.

The said wrong you can not easily see if you test just one individual. Because you simply don’t know what’s applicable. But I have among my children 5 and 3 full siblings respectively. It goes crazy if the modellings are bouncy between them. And this is what unfortunately happens.

The solution is to force them together by only providing one wog component, but then also restricting the geographic area that such a model can be applied to.

[rothaer]

There is a new software searching ancient IBDs to see putative ancient relatednesses, but It was quite a new software and experimental. Problems in finding reliable ancient IBDs are big. The statistics used in this field is more complex than those used in finding relatives at age less than 500 years. Older softwares trying to find admixture events by using smaller IBDs down to 1 cM didn't work well. This is only my opinion though.

You do touch a revolutionary approach that maybe one day will replace what we are dealing with. As for the usual Ancestry Composition provided to customers this will likely be the most sophisticated future. You then simply work with so called trios in the database, that is mother, father, child. It makes phasing dispensable. There were enormous findings yielded by using the UK biobank, but applying it to the world on an IBD basis would require respective databases.

I refer to this thrilling paper:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19588-x

[rothaer]

LOL
It can confirm my distant origin from Kujawy.
https://i.ibb.co/rpxPVWY/1907-211-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/1XrVkS1)

Is Kujawy that far north? Must be borderline then. Btw. the text on that greeting from Fiedlitz card is:

L. Schw.! (Liebe Schwester) Besten Dank für das schöne Baro-
meter. Hat hier viel Freude gemacht. Schickt nur mehr
von der Sorte. Hier alles wohl. Winke herzliche Grüße!

dein Bruder R. (inverted on the top)

[J. Ketch]

What would you use instead of Austria La Tene?
Possibly Alsace IA or Hauts de France IA?

It's also likely that the Netherlands has a fair amount of pre-Celtic, pre-Germanic ancestry from from the Elp/Hilversum Nordwestblock era (that like Insular Celts would be read as Germanic in this calc). So I don't think the one-size-fits-all continental calculator necessarily works there either.

[rothaer]

Which samples from India and Finland can be added to this calc to show Ugrofinnic admixture and Gypsy ancestry?

I admittedly did not test much for finding a good proxy for Ugrofinnic that is well distinguished from Germanic and (Balto-)Slavic.

As for Gypsies you could add

Roma_Balkans,0.008,0.0062667,-0.0156,0.0077333,-0.0061,0.0047,0.0001667,0.0011,0.0081667,0.0081667 ,0.0002333,-0.0002333,0.0006333,0.0063667,-0.0077667,-0.0039333,0.0068,0.0024667,0.0012,8e-04,-0.0016667,1e-04,-0.0005333,-0.0033333,-0.0010667

I think that will not cause any overlap with other components.

[rothaer]

Possibly Alsace IA or Hauts de France IA?

It's also likely that the Netherlands has a fair amount of pre-Celtic, pre-Germanic ancestry from from the Elp/Hilversum Nordwestblock era (that like Insular Celts would be read as Germanic in this calc). So I don't think the one-size-fits-all continental calculator necessarily works there either.

Note that the "Celtic-like" component is not intended to catch Celtic only but also whatever other southernish component in the SE part of Central Europe. Moving a reference farther to the west would make that less good working.

As for the Netherlands I also thought of that possible problem. I now edited the OP and removed the Netherlands from the suitable areas. Case closed.

[J. Ketch]

Exactly.

And that problem is not easy to solve. Davidski seemingly saw it unsolvable in G25 so he made a new G25 Celtic vs. Germanic coords system only for that task.
He already made a calculator that solved it a decade ago - free of charge!

[rothaer]

He already made a calculator that solved it a decade ago - free of charge!

What do you refer to?

The Celtic vs. Germanic coords must be payed for separately.

[J. Ketch]

What do you refer to?

The Celtic vs. Germanic coords must be payed for separately.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?361410-K36-calculator

[Russki]

Possibly Alsace IA or Hauts de France IA?

It's also likely that the Netherlands has a fair amount of pre-Celtic, pre-Germanic ancestry from from the Elp/Hilversum Nordwestblock era (that like Insular Celts would be read as Germanic in this calc). So I don't think the one-size-fits-all continental calculator necessarily works there either.


I think Alsace IA is also the most logical source for SW Germans.

And for Eastern Germans maybe Czech IA should be used since it's geographically adjacent?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Brad.k14.GenoMENA.23andMe.SIM
Distance: 2.1492% / 0.02149155

37.4 (Balto-)Slavic
35.0 Germanic
27.6 Celtic-like

Target: Brad.k14.GenoMENA.23andMe.SIM
Distance: 2.1492% / 0.02149155

35.0 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
27.6 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
21.4 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
12.8 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
3.2 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001

[mariusz99]

I added India:

Target: Aneta_scaled
Distance: 2.5768% / 0.02576839
82.8 (Balto-)Slavic
9.8 Celtic-like
4.6 Germanic
2.8 India

Target: Aneta_scaled
Distance: 2.5768% / 0.02576839 | ADC: 0.5x RC
82.8 (Balto-)Slavic
9.8 Celtic-like
4.6 Germanic
2.8 India

It seems that this calc is really accurate, she scores even with 0,5 ADC India.

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 1.4001% / 0.01400131
92.8 (Balto-)Slavic
7.2 Celtic-like

How can I be a Celt when nobody in my family comes from the UK or France ?

[J. Ketch]

I think Alsace IA is also the most logical source for SW Germans.

And for Eastern Germans maybe Czech IA should be used since it's geographically adjacent?
There still aren't really any reliable references for continental Celts in Western Europe. Alsace IA on G25 is North French-like IIRC, but that would probably make SW Germans overwhelmingly Celtic with minor Germanic.

I'm deducing from the Anglo-Saxon paper that the France IA component that covered Central Western Europe (CWE) was a bit more Southern shifted, Central/Southern French-like.

[Russki]

There still aren't really any reliable references for continental Celts in Western Europe. Alsace IA on G25 is North French-like IIRC, but that would probably make SW Germans overwhelmingly Celtic with minor Germanic.

I'm deducing from the Anglo-Saxon paper that the France IA component that covered Central Western Europe (CWE) was a bit more Southern shifted, Central/Southern French-like.


Occitanie IA is not SW European-like though, it is basically half Basque half Northern French.


https://sun9-23.userapi.com/impg/l8qwnsgCPGZFTJwjNFx8ii66inK8pZbraVyP3w/4wAQyz810XY.jpg?size=550x500&quality=95&sign=6cdb715eea7fef39971b2af701c91867&type=album

[cakmir7y]

Hmm, that's probably a bit too much of either celtic or germanic, or both.
Perhaps missing some other component?

Target: Mirek_scaled
Distance: 1.8577% / 0.01857710
55.2 (Balto-)Slavic
22.8 Celtic-like
22.0 Germanic

[cakmir7y]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 1.4001% / 0.01400131
92.8 (Balto-)Slavic
7.2 Celtic-like

How can I be a Celt when nobody in my family comes from the UK or France ?

Those are ancient samples, so this calculator quantifies proportion of old ("pure", "original") ethnic groups in DNA of modern people.

[PaulieVanZant]

Target: Stahl
Distance: 1.3397% / 0.01339721
76.0 Germanic
13.6 Celtic-like
10.4 (Balto-)Slavic

Distance to Stahl
0.02434439 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.02933381 Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%
0.03701660 Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%
0.06553807 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.06628240 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.06918032 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
0.07268855 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%

[Kiel]

What do you think?:)
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 2.1974% / 0.02197387
46.6 Celtic-like
34.0 Germanic
19.4 (Balto-)Slavic

[rothaer]

Target: Stahl
Distance: 1.3397% / 0.01339721
76.0 Germanic
13.6 Celtic-like
10.4 (Balto-)Slavic

Distance to Stahl
0.02434439 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.02933381 Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%
0.03701660 Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%
0.06553807 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.06628240 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.06918032 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
0.07268855 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%

I'm surprised by your high Germanic. Can you tell (again?) where your four grandparents hail from regionally?

[rothaer]

What do you think?:)
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 2.1974% / 0.02197387
46.6 Celtic-like
34.0 Germanic
19.4 (Balto-)Slavic

I really feel insure because of your result.

Technically it's absolutely clear that your "wog" now need more percentages to be expressed by Celtic-like only and this causes other components to have less percentages, here particularly Germanic (compared to the Feiichy ancient Slavic calculator result). On the other hand the current result may be the more correct one. Considering that you have 3/4 German and just 1/4 Hungarian ancestry this calculator ought to be essentially suitable for you.

[Kiel]

I really feel insure because of your result.

Technically it's absolutely clear that your "wog" now need more percentages to be expressed by Celtic-like only and this causes other components to have less percentages, here particularly Germanic (compared to the Feiichy ancient Slavic calculator result). On the other hand the current result may be the more correct one. Considering that you have just 1/4 Hungarinan and 3/4 German ancestry this calculator ought to be essentially suitable for you.

Maybe S/SW German ancestry ends up as celtic like here mostly because of the lack of another “wog” component?
Maybe we should try to run S/SW German/Austrian coords in this calc. Id do that, but my phone is about to die and cant really find a place to charge my phone here at the Lisbon Airport, lol.

[rothaer]

Maybe S/SW German ancestry ends up as celtic like here mostly because of the lack of another “wog” component?

Yes, but I'm not sure that there should be a notable amount of of any "woggier" component for SW Germans. And currently I've also no striking idea how to determine that.


Maybe we should try to run S/SW German/Austrian coords in this calc. Id do that, but my phone is about to die and cant really find a place to charge my phone here at the Lisbon Airport, lol.

That will all be in line. But again, I can not see what could bring the ultimate enlightment whether all "wog" is to be expressed by Celtic-like or if you also should have a notable part Graeco-Roman (or paleao Balkan) which would change the other figures.

[gixajo]

Original calculator posted from the first post.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.1038% / 0.03103817
95.8 Celtic-like
4.2 Germanic

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.1726% / 0.04172583
100.0 Celtic-like

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.5323% / 0.02532321
92.4 Celtic-like
7.6 Germanic

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.4666% / 0.03466646
95.4 Celtic-like
4.6 Germanic

[PaulieVanZant]

I'm surprised by your high Germanic. Can you tell (again?) where your four grandparents hail from regionally?

Maternal grandma was from Rhein - Lahn region, maternal grandpa was born in the same region to a German father and a Swedish mother (from Stockholm). Paternal grandma was born in Königsberg and my paternal grandpa was from Győr (never met him, nor does anyone ever tell me anything about him, even when sharply insisting. Judging by my results, I`m pretty sure by now, that he is/was ethnically German though, maybe a Donau Schwabe. I frequently get good chunks of Balkan on different unscaled calculators, as well as on MyHeritage, though.)

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.2581% / 0.02258110
48.6 (Balto-)Slavic
44.8 Celtic-like
6.6 Germanic

aufgedröselt:

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.2581% / 0.02258110
44.8 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
32.8 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
15.8 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
6.6 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%

[Bessarion]

Distance to: Bojan_scaled
0.05745226 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.05873385 Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%
0.06305700 Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%
0.06633321 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.06643135 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
0.07013542 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07174961 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009

Target: Bojan_scaled
Distance: 3.2906% / 0.03290560
38.4 Celtic-like
36.0 (Balto-)Slavic
25.6 Germanic

Interesting...pretty much an even CE results .

[rothaer]

Maternal grandma was from Rhein - Lahn region, maternal grandpa was born in the same region to a German father and a Swedish mother (from Stockholm). Paternal grandma was born in Königsberg and my paternal grandpa was from Győr (never met him, nor does anyone ever tell me anything about him, even when sharply insisting. Judging by my results, I`m pretty sure by now, that he is/was ethnically German though, maybe a Donau Schwabe. I frequently get good chunks of Balkan on different unscaled calculators, as well as on MyHeritage, though.)

I see, thanks. I also get abt. 10% Balkan at MyH so that's nothing specific. I imagine that the name of the Raab/Györ grandparent (and his parents) would give good hints as for the ethnicity. Your just abt. 10% (Balto-)Slavic while having one grandparent from Königsberg in East Prussia IMO rules out that the Raab grandparent was Hungarian.

[rothaer]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.2581% / 0.02258110
48.6 (Balto-)Slavic
44.8 Celtic-like
6.6 Germanic

aufgedröselt:

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.2581% / 0.02258110
44.8 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
32.8 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
15.8 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
6.6 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%

To me here also arises the same question as for Kiel: Is this maybe true or are "woggier" components needed? Germanic here is kind of proto Germanic and can, of course, not be compared to 23andMe's "French & German" and AncestryDNA's "Germanic Europe", both of which will contain loads of "wog". I'm aware of your abt. 25% "Balkan & Greece" at 23andMe but nevertheless.

[PaulieVanZant]

I see, thanks. I also get abt. 10% Balkan at MyH so that's nothing specific. I imagine that the name of the Raab/Györ grandparent (and his parents) would give good hints as for the ethnicity. Your just abt. 10% (Balto-)Slavic while having one grandparent from Königsberg in East Prussia IMO rules out that the Raab grandparent was Hungarian.

Yes, I really hope my grandma will open up about him eventually, seeing as she`s not getting any younger and already is approaching her 90`s. My father doesnt know anything either and the only thing I have of him is this picture here, which is from aproximately 1957 or 58:

https://i.ibb.co/fng7vXY/Opa.png (https://ibb.co/CMcF2w5)

[rothaer]

Yes, I really hope my grandma will open up about him eventually, seeing as she`s not getting any younger and already is approaching her 90`s. My father doesnt know anything either and the only thing I have of him is this picture here, which is from aproximately 1957 or 58:

https://i.ibb.co/fng7vXY/Opa.png (https://ibb.co/CMcF2w5)

So there's not even the name known... If you can test her and your father, you could phase your father's DNA kit and you would with his paternal phased kit get only matches that are mediated via this grandfather. That could also be enlightening.

[noricum]

To me here also arises the same question as for Kiel: Is this maybe true or are "woggier" components needed? Germanic here is kind of proto Germanic and can, of course, not be compared to 23andMe's "French & German" and AncestryDNA's "Germanic Europe", both of which will contain loads of "wog". I'm aware of your abt. 25% "Balkan & Greece" at 23andMe but nevertheless.

I gave it a quick try and added gijaxo's Scaled G25 Mediterranean calculator samples to yours st see what sticks.
At the cost of Celtic I got raised Germanic and 11% Greek Thessaly from gixajo


Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.1447% / 0.02144680
47.0 (Balto-)Slavic
32.0 Celtic-like
11.0 East_European_Mediterranean
10.0 Germanic

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.1447% / 0.02144680
37.0 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
32.0 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
11.0 East_European_Mediterranean:Greek_Thessaly
10.0 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
10.0 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%

[rothaer]

I gave it a quick try and added gijaxo's Scaled G25 Mediterranean calculator samples to yours st see what sticks.
At the cost of Celtic I got raised Germanic and 11% Greek Thessaly from gixajo


Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.1447% / 0.02144680
47.0 (Balto-)Slavic
32.0 Celtic-like
11.0 East_European_Mediterranean
10.0 Germanic

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.1447% / 0.02144680
37.0 (Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
32.0 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%
11.0 East_European_Mediterranean:Greek_Thessaly
10.0 (Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
10.0 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%

Yes, this is what then happens. But what is correct?

The particular modelling is no guarantee that this is correct. This becomes visible when you have a number of testees that are (full) siblings. See how child5 gets modeled generally differently in the Feiichy ancient Slavic calculator v2.3:


(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%,0.127482,0.152329,0.050534,0.005814,0.047701,0 .00251,0.004465,0.011307,0.02127,0.026606,-0.002598,0.006594,-0.009366,-0.004954,0.007736,-0.009149,-0.017602,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004627,0.000998,0.002349,-0.004067,-0.005543,-0.006347
Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701___BC_350___Coverage_74. 10%,0.126344,0.145221,0.039598,0.000646,0.038469,0 .000279,0.00188,0.006923,0.006954,0.018041,-0.003085,0.005845,-0.014717,0.004129,0.002579,-0.009679,-0.012386,0.007221,0.013575,-0.002876,0.000998,-0.004451,0.004067,-0.00253,-0.006586
Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708___BC_350___Coverage_70. 39%,0.134311,0.146236,0.049026,0.008075,0.043085,0 .007809,0.001175,-0.000231,0.017589,0.021868,0.002273,0.007194,-0.007284,-0.008533,-0.005836,0.004508,0.019688,0.006461,0.004399,0.001 626,0.003369,0.001978,-0.010599,0.004579,-0.000359
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191



https://i.imgur.com/yHumFwC.jpg

Not both general modellings can be correct and unfortunately all three components containing wog in different concentrations are somewhat interchangeable. I've tried hard and I never found a way to prevent such bouncyness between them (except for just providing one of them). That's the big problem.

[cass]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 1.4001% / 0.01400131
92.8 (Balto-)Slavic
7.2 Celtic-like

How can I be a Celt when nobody in my family comes from the UK or France ?

Przeworsk

[rothaer]

Hmm, that's probably a bit too much of either celtic or germanic, or both.
Perhaps missing some other component?

Target: Mirek_scaled
Distance: 1.8577% / 0.01857710
55.2 (Balto-)Slavic
22.8 Celtic-like
22.0 Germanic

How can it according to your opinion be too much of both Germanic and Celtic-like - now leaving abt. 55% left for (Balto-)Slavic - while you consider the abt. 50% (Balto-)Slavic in your signature to be correct? If Germanic and Celtic-like would be less, you would get even more than 55% (Balto-)Slavic.

[cass]

Is Kujawy that far north? Must be borderline then.


No. Fiddliz is for me the last genalogically proven place in the direct male line in the mid-18th century. I discovered it recently and was there for the first time this spring.
Judging by the name in the 17th century, these may be individuals buried in the Cathedral in Toruń.

[cakmir7y]

How can it according to your opinion be too much of both Germanic and Celtic-like - now leaving abt. 55% left for (Balto-)Slavic - while you consider the abt. 50% (Balto-)Slavic in your signature to be correct? If Germanic and Celtic-like would be less, you would get even more than 55% (Balto-)Slavic.

Sure, but how do we know that the calc in my signature is "correct"? I don't know it.
From most other ancient calcs I got > 60% (balto)-slavic, hence my comment.

[Kiel]

Added Graeco-Roman and Balkan from the Slavic calc
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 1.3593% / 0.01359337
45.2 Germanic
21.8 Celtic-like
16.4 Graeco-Roman
16.2 (Balto-)Slavic
0.4 Balkan

The distance got way better.

[cakmir7y]

Hmm, that's probably a bit too much of either celtic or germanic, or both.
Perhaps missing some other component?

Target: Mirek_scaled
Distance: 1.8577% / 0.01857710
55.2 (Balto-)Slavic
22.8 Celtic-like
22.0 Germanic

For the sake of completeness adding the result using simulated coords,
seems more plausible, distance is lower too.

Target: Mirek_scaled_K36_sim
Distance: 1.2178% / 0.01217788
59.6 (Balto-)Slavic
26.4 Celtic-like
14.0 Germanic

[Voskos]

Target: BOCKOC
Distance: 2.4312% / 0.02431201
68.6 GRC_Marathon_Rom
31.4 Celtic-like:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699___BC_350___Coverage_73. 92%

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 2.2986% / 0.02298614 | ADC: 0.25x RC

63.4 Germanic
22.0 Celtic-like
14.6 (Balto-)Slavic