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Tenn
07-01-2023, 03:01 PM
I15544 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 HV9
I15545 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis I1,I-Z58,I-Z59,I-CTS8647,Z60,Z140,Z141 H1
I15546 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283,J-Z622,J-Z600,J-Z585,J-Z615,J-Z597 L2a1+143+16189 (16192)
I15547 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283 H+152
I15548 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283,J-Z585,J-Z615,J-Z597,J-Z638,J-Z1297,J-Z8421,J-Z631,J-Z1043 W+194
I15551 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis R1b-Z2103,R-Z2105 T1a
I15552 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis R1b-Z2103,R-M12149,R-Z2106,R-Z2108,R-Z2110,R-CTS7556,R-Y5592,R-CTS1450 H1c
I15553 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273 T2b25
I15554 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 H
I15555 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis G-P303,G-L140,G-PF3346,G-PF3345,G-CTS342,G-FGC12126 X2i+@225
I15556 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis H10d

Tenn
07-01-2023, 03:05 PM
This was a military fort in the Roman Balkans, most of the Y-DNA are locals from the Balkans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timacum_Minus

gixajo
07-01-2023, 03:22 PM
The oldest military diploma that cites the Cohors I Cantabrorum is from the year
75 AD and mentions eight other cohorts stationed in Moesia (superior) under Sextus
Vettulene Cerial. I Thracum Syriaca, I Bracaraugustanorum, I
Sugambrorum Tironum, II Chalcidenorum, III Hispanorum, Ubiorum, Tyriorum y
Cilicum.


Imp(erator) C]aesar Vespasia[nus Augustus pontifex]/ [max]imus
tr[i]buni[c(ia) potest(ate) VI imp(erator) XIIII]/ [p(ater) p(atriae) c]ensor co(n)s(ul) VI [designatus
VII]/ [peditibus e]t equitibus [qui militant in cohor/tibus nov]em quae a[ppellantur I Cantabro/rum et
I Thra]cum [Syriaca et I Bracaraugustano/rum et I Sugambrorum tironum et II Chalcide/norum et III
Hispanorum et Ubiorum et Tyrior/um et Cilicu]m [quae sunt in Moesia sub Sex(to) Vett/uleno Cer]iale
q[ui quina et vicena stipendia aut plu/ra merue]rant q[uorum nomina subscrip/ta su]nt ipsis [liberis
posterisque]/ [I Canta]/br[orum et I Thracum Syriaca et I Bracarau]/gustan[orum et I Sugambrorum
tironum]/ et II Chalcide[norum] et III Hispa[norum et]/ Ubiorum et Ty[rioru]m et Cilicu[m quae sunt]
/ in Moesia suuleno Ce[riale]/ qui quina et [vicena sti]pendia [aut plura] / merueran[t
quorum nom]ina [subscripta]/ sunt ipsis l[iberis posteri]squ[e eorum]/ civitatem de[dit et conubium cum
uxori]/bus quas t[unc habuissent, cum est civi/tas iis data, aut, siqui caelibes essent, cum iis, quas
postea duxissent dumtaxat singuli singulas.].

But in another one from 78dc from Bulgaria appear more military units in the same region:


Imp(erator) Caesar
Vespasianus Augustus pontif(ex) / maximus tribunic(ia) potestat(e) VIIII imp(erator) / XVIIII p(ater)
p(atriae) censor co(n)s(ul) VIII / peditibus et equitibus qui militant in co/hortibus octo I Cantabrorum I
Thra/cum Syriaca I Sugambrorum tironum / II Lucensium III et VIII Gallorum Cili/cum Mattiacorum
quae sunt in Moe/sia sub Sex(to) Vettuleno Ceriale qui / quina et vicena stipendia aut plura / meruerant
quorum nomina subscri/pta sunt ipsis liberis posterisque / eorum civitatem dedit et conubium // cum
uxoribus quas tunc habuiss[ent] / cum est civitas iis data aut si qui cae[li]/bes essent cum iis quas
postea dux[is]/sent dumtaxat singuli singulas / a(nte) d(iem) VII Idus Febr(uarias) / L(ucio) Ceionio
Commodo D(ecimo) Novio Prisco co(n)s(ulibus) / cohort(i) Cilicum cui prae(e)st / P(ublius) Seppienus
P(ubli) f(ilius) Pol(lia) Aelianus /pediti / Perasi Publi f(ilio) Aeg(is) / descriptum et recognitum ex
tabula ae/nea quae fixa est Romae in Capitolio // Imp(erator) Caesar Vespasianus Augustus / pontifex
maximus tribunic(ia) potest(ate) / VIIII imp(erator) XVIIII p(ater) p(atriae) censor co(n)s(ul) VIII /
peditibus et equitibus qui militant / in [B]cohortibus octo I Cantabrorum I / Thracum Syriaca I
Sugambrorum ti/ronum II Lucensium III et VIII Gallo/rum Cilicum Mattiacorum quae / sunt in Moesia
sub Sex(to) Vettuleno / Ceriale qui quina et vicena stipen/dia aut plura meruerant quoru/m nomina
subscripta sunt ipsis / liberis posterisque eorum civi/tatem dedit et conubium cum / uxoribus quas tunc
habuissent / cum est civitas iis data aut si qui / caelibes essent cum iis quas pos/tea duxissent dumtaxat
singuli / singulas a(nte) d(iem) VII Idus Febr(uarias) / L(ucio) Ceionio Commodo D(ecimo) Novio

So units created or that were deployed sometimes in nowadays France (Gallorum), Spain (Cantabrorum), Portugal (Braccara), Greece (Chalcidia), Eastern Balkans (Thracia) Turkey (Cilicia) even Lebanon (Tyrium).

As always in this type of Roman sites, it is difficult to know to what extent the individuals found in burials were local people, mixed or came directly from any part of the empire.

Tenn
07-01-2023, 04:56 PM
The oldest military diploma that cites the Cohors I Cantabrorum is from the year
75 AD and mentions eight other cohorts stationed in Moesia (superior) under Sextus
Vettulene Cerial. I Thracum Syriaca, I Bracaraugustanorum, I
Sugambrorum Tironum, II Chalcidenorum, III Hispanorum, Ubiorum, Tyriorum y
Cilicum.



But in another one from 78dc from Bulgaria appear more military units in the same region:



So units created or that were deployed sometimes in nowadays France (Gallorum), Spain (Cantabrorum), Portugal (Braccara), Greece (Chalcidia), Eastern Balkans (Thracia) Turkey (Cilicia) even Lebanon (Tyrium).

As always in this type of Roman sites, it is difficult to know to what extent the individuals found in burials were local people, mixed or came directly from any part of the empire.


I agree but J-L283, R1b-Z2103 and E-V13 were in the Balkans in the Iron Age prior to Roman occupation where they were major lineages. The I1 is probably not from the Balkans but came from somewhere else.

Tenn
07-01-2023, 05:16 PM
The paper I got this from pointed out most of these were locals from the Balkans too based on their Y-DNA and autosomal admixture.