Do Lithuanians appear Slavic in general, or can you tell them easily apart?

[Richmondbread]

I picture most Slavs to be rather slender and tall (never smiling) with light hair and eyes. But some can have dark hair. Lithuanians are usually slender and taller (basketball players) But also they seem to be perhaps more robust than the average Slavic person? Also, they are not necessarily Slavic anyway, but I was wondering if they appear somewhat different than Slavs. I think they are definitely different culturally.

[Melkiirs]

Could you remind me what Lithuanian region your paternal grandmother descended from?

Dzūkija, Samogitia, Aukštaitija, or Sudovia?

My Jewish roots are to Sudovia and Dzūkija. Southern and Southeastern Lithuania.

[renisenb]

There's a Lithuanian Youtuber called Greta Beresaite, she definitely looks more robust than other Slavs, more CM. Her brow bone and eye sockets are very pronounced and she doesn't seem to have any Mongoloid unlike other Slavs.
Perhaps this is the birthplace of CM?

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-OCLQXLJwGQ08baC2-K6Rcgw-t500x500.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuTQiMqmGVKl4JKYF14D-Vma7choTeb9uKFw&usqp=CAU

[Katarzyna]

I recently moved to Latvia and made an interesting observation. I actually expected Balts to have the typical Baltid (Neo Danubian) look. Round chubby face, snub nose and soft features. However, when I first arrived I was shocked how wrong I was. I have never ever seen so many cm’s at one spot. Latvia has the tallest women on average. Many of them were also very massive (not fat but strong) and had very defined facial features. I saw many Norids and Corded Proto Nordids, blonde women with aquiline noses and thin lips. Some kinda look alien to me. I guess if I looked like that as a woman, the first thing I would get is a nose job. XD some could have passed as Armenoids or Iranids if you bleached them.
Last year on my trip to Sweden I saw more stereotypical chubby Baltids with snub noses than in Latvia which really surprised me.

[Melkiirs]

I recently moved to Latvia and made an interesting observation. I actually expected Balts to have the typical Baltid (Neo Danubian) look. Round chubby face, snub nose and soft features. However, when I first arrived I was shocked how wrong I was. I have never ever seen so many cm’s at one spot. Latvia has the tallest women on average. Many of them were also very massive (not fat but strong) and had very defined facial features. I saw many Norids and Corded Proto Nordids, blonde women with aquiline noses and thin lips. Some kinda look alien to me. I guess if I looked like that as a woman, the first thing I would get is a nose job. XD some could have passed as Armenoids or Iranids if you bleached them.
Last year on my trip to Sweden I saw more stereotypical chubby Baltids with snub noses than in Latvia which really surprised me.

If you are comfortable sharing, why did you move from Germany to Latvia? Was it an employment opportunity? I know that economic migration of Latvians to Western Europe is common, but not the reverse.

[NSXD60]

Liths were even more distinct before Slavs subjugated their country and colonised it in the past. Not to say there wasn't minor Mongol admixture already there, but the Russians had easily recognizable invasive genes...and they did intermarry with Liths, but the pre-colonisation largely PIE genotype still exist to a lesser extent.

[cass]

Without a doubt, there is a part that ovelap, but some of the Balts are clearly ugly and alien to me (paleoeuropean)

Lithuanians proper
https://i.ibb.co/WvZ9VZV/lit1.jpg (https://ibb.co/MkrTBrB)
https://i.ibb.co/kmqHFHn/lit2.jpg (https://ibb.co/Y0fRGR9)
https://i.ibb.co/16CPstm/lit3.jpg (https://ibb.co/9tx1wkr)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSf8ncw2sMA&t=77s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h13YADWWFvA

vs Poles from Lithuania
https://i.ibb.co/TwWP64X/pol1.jpg (https://ibb.co/fXDrfkR)
https://i.ibb.co/9bVs8FG/pol2.jpg (https://ibb.co/7nR2Ywb)
https://i.ibb.co/5cB0kPM/pol3.jpg (https://ibb.co/KyFPDJ0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUwYtplMjc

[coolfrenchguy]

I recently moved to Latvia and made an interesting observation. I actually expected Balts to have the typical Baltid (Neo Danubian) look. Round chubby face, snub nose and soft features. However, when I first arrived I was shocked how wrong I was. I have never ever seen so many cm’s at one spot. Latvia has the tallest women on average. Many of them were also very massive (not fat but strong) and had very defined facial features. I saw many Norids and Corded Proto Nordids, blonde women with aquiline noses and thin lips. Some kinda look alien to me. I guess if I looked like that as a woman, the first thing I would get is a nose job. XD some could have passed as Armenoids or Iranids if you bleached them.
Last year on my trip to Sweden I saw more stereotypical chubby Baltids with snub noses than in Latvia which really surprised me.

but in a general way balts are closer to the north-western europeans,with some exceptions for estonians who sometimes looks more fenno-scandians like Ines for example,they are sometimes more closer to the swedes or the danes or even finns toward they geographical location

https://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/2/23/57/58/20181008/ob_50317d_ines-01.jpg

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/2f7c67fae4d947fd8704465e48b8dd17/3000.jpeg
estonians kids looks closer to the finns than the western europeans

belarussian baby boy from a belarussian commercial who looks like an irish,sometimes belaruss is considered balt too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdybKUZb3Cc

from this belarussian models agency
http://www.ikona.by/gallery_anketa.php?id=11009&img=3

[cass]

but in a general way balts are closer to the north-western europeans,...l

Very doubtful
https://i.ibb.co/fFsd8zx/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-23.png (https://ibb.co/tK9pZTJ)

[Melkiirs]

Without a doubt, there is a part that ovelap, but some of the Balts are clearly ugly and alien to me (paleoeuropean)

Lithuanians proper


Do you think Samogitians/Jmouds have any noticeable phenotypical difference from Lithuanians proper. Coon only mentioned that they exhibited a higher frequency of curly hair which was considered more Western.


“In hair form the Lithuanians, like the Letts, are almost all in the straight category. Three per cent of Lithuanians have curly hair, as against 7 for the Jmouds, indicating that the farther east one goes, the straighter the hair becomes. Among Lithuanians proper and Jmouds, and among Letts as well, curly hair is almost always blond or light brown.”

[cass]

Do you think Samogitians/Jmouds have any noticeable phenotypical difference from Lithuanians proper. Coon only mentioned that they exhibited a higher frequency of curly hair which was considered more Western.

They are probably the least Neolithic after the Sami thus may differ slightly from the rest of Lithuanians.

https://i.ibb.co/pKy5gXf/arm.jpg (https://ibb.co/5jFwdcr)

[Melkiirs]

They are probably the least Neolithic after the Sami thus may differ slightly from the rest of Lithuanians.

https://i.ibb.co/pKy5gXf/arm.jpg (https://ibb.co/5jFwdcr)

Sami and Volga-Ural natives have a significant Nganasan component. Western Latvia/Lithuania does not have a significant Nganasan component. That makes the area better representative of Cro-Magnon Europeans, right?

[aherne]

Based on pictures I've seen (never been there, nor plan going to), they look like more robust Slavs.

[Boudin]

I picture most Slavs to be rather slender and tall (never smiling) with light hair and eyes. But some can have dark hair. Lithuanians are usually slender and taller (basketball players) But also they seem to be perhaps more robust than the average Slavic person? Also, they are not necessarily Slavic anyway, but I was wondering if they appear somewhat different than Slavs. I think they are definitely different culturally.

Lithuanian parliamentarians:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=121882&stc=1

[ecptr]

Lithuanian parliamentarians:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=121882&stc=1

Can you add Polish parliamentarians to compare?

[Boudin]

Can you add Polish parliamentarians to compare?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=121887&stc=1
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[Richmondbread]

Could you remind me what Lithuanian region your paternal grandmother descended from?

Dzūkija, Samogitia, Aukštaitija, or Sudovia?

My Jewish roots are to Sudovia and Dzūkija. Southern and Southeastern Lithuania.

Her parents were from Vilinus, but there were also some on the seaside coastal villages and towns. Some from Kaunus as well.

[Richmondbread]

There's a Lithuanian Youtuber called Greta Beresaite, she definitely looks more robust than other Slavs, more CM. Her brow bone and eye sockets are very pronounced and she doesn't seem to have any Mongoloid unlike other Slavs.
Perhaps this is the birthplace of CM?

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-OCLQXLJwGQ08baC2-K6Rcgw-t500x500.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuTQiMqmGVKl4JKYF14D-Vma7choTeb9uKFw&usqp=CAU

My grandmother had similar bone structure and face shape, tho she was brunette and brown eyes. Her siblings all had mostly light hair and light eyes.

[Richmondbread]

Without a doubt, there is a part that ovelap, but some of the Balts are clearly ugly and alien to me (paleoeuropean)

Lithuanians proper
https://i.ibb.co/WvZ9VZV/lit1.jpg (https://ibb.co/MkrTBrB)
https://i.ibb.co/kmqHFHn/lit2.jpg (https://ibb.co/Y0fRGR9)
https://i.ibb.co/16CPstm/lit3.jpg (https://ibb.co/9tx1wkr)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSf8ncw2sMA&t=77s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h13YADWWFvA

vs Poles from Lithuania
https://i.ibb.co/TwWP64X/pol1.jpg (https://ibb.co/fXDrfkR)
https://i.ibb.co/9bVs8FG/pol2.jpg (https://ibb.co/7nR2Ywb)
https://i.ibb.co/5cB0kPM/pol3.jpg (https://ibb.co/KyFPDJ0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUwYtplMjc

Lithuanian women are said to be the most beautiful in the world.

[renisenb]

Based on pictures I've seen (never been there, nor plan going to), they look like more robust Slavs.

I think you need some Mongoloid to be classified as a Slav. I haven't seen many Lithuanians in real life, but from images, they seem pure Caucasoid, they don't seem to have any Mongoloid at all. Not sure what the DNA research says.

[Smaug]

There’s a strong overlap, of course.

[ugochaves]

The Baltid phenotype was formed on the Russian plain. The Balts have nothing to do with him. The Balts is an ancient isolate, which is connected with the Slavs by a very ancient kinship, Time has divided the appearance of the Eastern Slavs and the Balts very much.

[Katarzyna]

Based on pictures I've seen (never been there, nor plan going to), they look like more robust Slavs.

What I find most interesting about Lithuanians that they are always kinda extreme looking. Either they are extremely robust (often when they are from close to the Latvian boarder where they have many cm or corded individuals) or they are extremely gracile with a round head, a snub nose and a huge philtrum (huge distance between mouth and nose). You often find the latter mentioned phenotype in south western Lithuania, close to Russian Kaliningrad boarder. An example for it is Monika Linkyte.

https://i.ibb.co/Nts0MXH/IMG-1978.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
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[Sylvanas]

I think you need some Mongoloid to be classified as a Slav. I haven't seen many Lithuanians in real life, but from images, they seem pure Caucasoid, they don't seem to have any Mongoloid at all. Not sure what the DNA research says.


I think you are deeply mistaken.

Lithuanians generally belong to the East Baltic race according to American anthropologist C. Coon.

Lithuanians are less related to Western Europeans than Slavs.

https://i.imgur.com/lYCQYqA.png

[Richmondbread]

I think you are deeply mistaken.

Lithuanians generally belong to the East Baltic race according to American anthropologist C. Coon.

Lithuanians are less related to Western Europeans than Slavs.

https://i.imgur.com/lYCQYqA.png

I'm sure there is admixture in there somewhere. My Grandmother was adamant that Lithuanians were non Slavic peoples.

[Nurzat]

I don't know about on average but on particular individuals Lithuanians and Latvians seem to have a good representation of very CroMag-like looks, which is super cool, and also some sort of robust East Nordid which is actually probably more common to Lithuanians and Latvians than to Russians overall, right?

I think the general perception is that Lithuanians and Latvians are a sort of non-Oriental looking Baltics, on some level they approach NW Euros but look more archaic in a way, maybe the lack of Neolithic genes

[Melkiirs]

I'm sure there is admixture in there somewhere. My Grandmother was adamant that Lithuanians were non Slavic peoples.

Polish influence was relatively limited in Samogitia. I doubt there is significant Slavic admixture there. Around Vilnius Polish language and culture was influential especially among the upper classes.

http://www.truelithuania.com/poles-134

[Russki]

East Nordid is probably more common to Lithuanians and Latvians than to Russians overall, right?


Lithuanians are overall a brachycephalic people and can't be East Nordid in general, unless you have a new definition of brachycephalic Nordids.

There are a few examples of brachyphalized Nordids on Coon's plates, but they're exceptions rather than the rule.


https://i.imgur.com/SB5YBiq.jpg

[Nurzat]

Lithuanians are overall a brachycephalic people and can't be East Nordid in general, unless you have a new definition of brachycephalic Nordids.

There are a few examples of brachyphalized Nordids on Coon's plates, but they're exceptions rather than the rule.

I don't refer to the average looks, I said I refer to the particular looks - they sometimes get really interesting such types here and there, maybe the bony structure of the face in them, dunno if it's from higher WHG % than other regions

[Katarzyna]

The Baltid phenotype was formed on the Russian plain. The Balts have nothing to do with him. The Balts is an ancient isolate, which is connected with the Slavs by a very ancient kinship, Time has divided the appearance of the Eastern Slavs and the Balts very much.
I think there are also some intermediate groups, like Belarusians for instance who usually carry both Slavic and Baltic genes and also look accordingly. They still have some of the Baltic features but look more southern, kinda Baltic types, Pontid and Alpinid mixed.
Once Balts intermix with southern groups their offsprings kinda loose their robust archaic look and become very infantile looking. Look at Neo-Danubians or Gorids for example.

[renisenb]

I don't know about on average but on particular individuals Lithuanians and Latvians seem to have a good representation of very CroMag-like looks, which is super cool, and also some sort of robust East Nordid which is actually probably more common to Lithuanians and Latvians than to Russians overall, right?

I think the general perception is that Lithuanians and Latvians are a sort of non-Oriental looking Baltics, on some level they approach NW Euros but look more archaic in a way, maybe the lack of Neolithic genes

Yes, that's what i meant, they look more CM and archaic. When they do DNA studies, they should find groups that look unique and who can't be found elsewhere. For eg, the woman i posted above. Of course there could be Slav migrations from neighbouring countries, that could affect overall DNA, so they should just look at the interesting archaic ones.

[Katarzyna]

Yes, that's what i meant, they look more CM and archaic. When they do DNA studies, they should find groups that look unique and who can't be found elsewhere. For eg, the woman i posted above. Of course there could be Slav migrations from neighbouring countries, that could affect overall DNA, so they should just look at the interesting archaic ones.

Yes I agree! They look very archaic kinda alien. Here in Latvia where I live I feel like I am in a Neolithic time travel machine. The Baltic men (especially unreduced ones) give me those strong hunter vibes.

[cass]

Lithuanians are overall a brachycephalic people and can't be East Nordid in general, unless you have a new definition of brachycephalic Nordids.

There are a few examples of brachyphalized Nordids on Coon's plates, but they're exceptions rather than the rule.


https://i.imgur.com/SB5YBiq.jpg


Worthless information taking into account the secular trend

https://i.ibb.co/93gf08g/caa.jpg (https://ibb.co/yBPMCfP)
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