Janjevci

[Varda]

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[Varda]

Željko Glasnović is most person of Janjevac origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Željko_Glasnović

Željko Glasnović and his brother Davor.

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[Barba]

Borreby, alpine, pontid, some dinarid, subnordid...

[Varda]

Origin of Janjevci is debatable. Some of their families are of Albanian Catholic origin which settled to Janjevo from northern Albania. Janjevci speak same dialect as Kosovo Serbs.

[Victor]

I've heard they're disliked for mentality in Croatia, just like some Kosovo Serbs in Serbia (I don't include prejudices towards regular people, for both). I know only two Kosovo Serbians in my life, one girl of my age and elder postman from Sremska Kamenica, he returned to paternal village next to Prizren few years ago btw.

[Varda]

I've heard they're disliked for mentality in Croatia, just like some Kosovo Serbs in Serbia (I don't include prejudices towards regular people, for both). I know only two Kosovo Serbians in my life, one girl of my age and elder postman from Sremska Kamenica, he returned to paternal village next to Prizren few years ago btw.

https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=4551034&postcount=12

[Victor]

https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=4551034&postcount=12

I have pragmatically good attitude towards such type of people, I'd prefer them 1000 times over lots of modern Russians and Balkanites. Surely I'm an adaptive person and good psychologist who's good both with academician and lowest worker but still it's so.

[rothaer]

Btw. the Saxons that are spoken of here in the Wikipedia article ("The Croatian population of Shasharë is believed to be of partial Saxon origin.[2]") will not be tribal Saxons but - like the Transsylvanian Saxons - other Germans to which was applied by others or themselves the respected legal term Saxon in Hungary which in its very first beginning may have referred to real (tribal) Saxon individuals that enjoyed some particular freedom rights.

I guess that medieval "Saxon" miners in Kosovo will have been Germans from German-dominated mining areas in Upper Hungary, i. e. Slovakia. These pre-reformation Germans will all have been Catholics, of course. Tribally the Slovakia Germans (except for the Bratislava area) are a Bavarian-Silesian mixture (the Silesians in turn having emerged from a Thuringian-Franconian tribal mixture, already containing the respective Slavic contributions). From the beginning the Bavarians were miners and the Silesians were forest peasants. While likely a mixed German dialect evolved soon, the professional miner's ancestry will have remained mostly tribal Bavarian. So these "Saxon" miners can not be expected to have been NW Germans genetically.

[Varda]

Btw. the Saxons that are spoken of here in the Wikipedia article ("The Croatian population of Shasharë is believed to be of partial Saxon origin.[2]") will not be tribal Saxons but - like the Transsylvanian Saxons - other Germans to which was applied by others or themselves the respected legal term Saxon in Hungary which in its very first beginning may have referred to real (tribal) Saxon individuals that enjoyed some particular freedom rights.

I guess that medieval "Saxon" miners in Kosovo will have been Germans from German-dominated mining areas in Upper Hungary, i. e. Slovakia. These pre-reformation Germans will all have been Catholics, of course. Tribally the Slovakia Germans (except for the Bratislava area) are a Bavarian-Silesian mixture (the Silesians in turn having emerged from a Thuringian-Franconian tribal mixture, already containing the respective Slavic contributions). From the beginning the Bavarians were miners and the Silesians were forest peasants. While likely a mixed German dialect evolved soon, the professional miner's ancestry will have remained mostly tribal Bavarian. So these "Saxon" miners can not be expected to have been NW Germans genetically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons_in_medieval_Serbia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopaonik#History

Janjevci could have genetic input of Saxon miners. Their genetic is still unknown. It's known only that Glasnović family is J2a, they claim far origin from Dubrovnik. Janjevci are probably mix of merchants from southern Adriatic cities (Dubrovnik, Cavtat, Kotor) who arrived in Kosovo in 14th century, Saxon miners who arrived roughly in the same period, some local Serbs who somehow converted to Catholicism, and Catholic Albanians who came in 18th and 19th century from northern Albania.
There are several Serbs who are R1b-U106 and I2-M223 and who are from the regions where Saxon miners were present (Kosovo, Kopaonik area, eastern Bosnia, western Serbia). They probably have Saxon paternal lines. One from Brskovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brskovo) is I2-PH908 which is the strongest Y DNA in Serbs associated with Slavs, but he has matches in Germany. Brskovo and Novo Brdo were most important mines in medieval Serbia. Surname of guy Brskovo is Fuštić (root of surname has no meaning in Serbian language, and suffix IĆ is typical Serbian) and his Slava is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_(tradition)) is Mratindan. For Serbian families who celebrate Mratindan and Miholjdan it is believed that they were once Catholic.
Some Saxon communities in Serbia and western Bulgaria survived until late 17th century. Maybe they lost their language earlier, but stayed Catholics until late 17th century when they are assimilated in the majority population.

[Varda]

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