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rothaer
07-12-2023, 10:36 PM
In the respective K10 calculator it turned out that particularly low WHG results exhibited high EHG and vice versa. The same turned out to in tendency be true for ENF and CHG. I decided to add the respective somewhat interchangeable components, ending up in a K8 calculator.

On the other hand now "WHG&EHG" ultimately represents northerness and "ENF&CHG" southerness in a genetic origin sense.

Run it strait. Please make visible if you don't run real G25 coords, f. i. by adding "sim" in the name.

The source data is in the spolier:


ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.003 5312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.12985 5,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0. 192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535 ,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.00274 5,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855
Natufian=Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
S_Asian_HG=Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
SSA=Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4,-0.042115,-0.224432,-0.205154,0.215442,0.145566,-0.322398,-0.007285,0.014538,-0.000818,0.003098,-0.004872,-0.002248,0.004311,-0.001239,-0.008415,-0.000796,0.004694,-0.001774,-0.01169,-0.003377,0.003369,-0.006801,-0.000863,-0.001928,-0.00946
Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Beowulf
07-12-2023, 10:37 PM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0474% / 0.04736866
68.8 ENF&CHG
31.2 WHG&EHG
Figaro
07-12-2023, 10:39 PM
Target: CordedFather_scaled
Distance: 6.5475% / 0.06547478
57.6 ENF&CHG
42.4 WHG&EHG

Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 6.0469% / 0.06046888
56.0 ENF&CHG
44.0 WHG&EHG
rothaer
07-12-2023, 10:39 PM
Highs and lows are marked in red (all testees Germans). From numerous comparisons and calculations I can confirm that even small differences here are in line with other assessments.

https://i.imgur.com/z7bq7MO.jpg
Dušan
07-12-2023, 10:40 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 6.2518% / 0.06251820
54.0 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.2 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
3.8 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour



Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 6.2518% / 0.06251820
65.0 ENF&CHG
35.0 WHG&EHG
gixajo
07-12-2023, 10:41 PM
Oh, I am Southerner...who could ever have suspected? :eek:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.8832% / 0.04883224
68.0 ENF&CHG
30.6 WHG&EHG
1.4 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.5309% / 0.04530900
69.4 ENF&CHG
27.4 WHG&EHG
3.2 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.7336% / 0.05733612
65.6 ENF&CHG
33.4 WHG&EHG
1.0 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 4.8025% / 0.04802503
68.4 ENF&CHG
31.6 WHG&EHG

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.8832% / 0.04883224
60.6 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
19.6 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
7.4 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
1.4 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.5309% / 0.04530900
64.4 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
20.6 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
6.8 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
5.0 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
3.2 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.7336% / 0.05733612
59.8 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.8 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.6 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
5.8 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
1.0 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 4.8025% / 0.04802503
63.6 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
19.2 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
12.4 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
4.8 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
Abriekman
07-12-2023, 11:32 PM
Target: Abriekman_scaled
Distance: 6.1190% / 0.06118970
56.4 ENF&CHG
43.6 WHG&EHG
gixajo
07-12-2023, 11:39 PM
Nobody wants to be Sicilian (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374797-Ancient-Troll-calculator-(G25-Scaled))?
Kiel
07-12-2023, 11:53 PM
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 5.3188% / 0.05318835
61.4 ENF&CHG
38.6 WHG&EHG
majevica
07-13-2023, 12:08 AM
Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 5.4841% / 0.05484060
63.2 ENF&CHG
36.8 WHG&EHG
alexmegas777
07-13-2023, 06:57 AM
Distance to: alexmegas_scaled
0.16136597 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.25763573 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
0.26230668 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
0.29406021 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
0.40469879 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
0.45990468 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.46405664 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.51826922 Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.61108135 EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.62064742 OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4
0.77221549 SSA=Yoruba
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 4.6812% / 0.04681193
70.0 ENF&CHG
30.0 WHG&EHG
paradox
07-13-2023, 07:36 AM
Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 4.2222% / 0.04222175
72.4 ENF&CHG
23.6 WHG&EHG
4.0 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.2939% / 0.05293906
69.6 ENF&CHG
30.2 WHG&EHG
0.2 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
rothaer
07-13-2023, 11:36 AM
Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 4.2222% / 0.04222175
72.4 ENF&CHG
23.6 WHG&EHG
4.0 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.2939% / 0.05293906
69.6 ENF&CHG
30.2 WHG&EHG
0.2 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Carrier of the yellow jersey of southerness till now. :)
rothaer
07-13-2023, 11:37 AM
Nobody wants to be Sicilian (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374797-Ancient-Troll-calculator-(G25-Scaled))?

An Oriente C (WHG) game. :)
gixajo
07-13-2023, 11:40 AM
An Oriente C (WHG) game. :)

I don´t understand you.
rothaer
07-13-2023, 11:46 AM
I don´t understand you.

You use a mesolithic reference for Sicily like Oriente C is one. That's WHG genetics.
Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
07-13-2023, 11:50 AM
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.9801% / 0.04980124
67.6 ENF&CHG
27.4 WHG&EHG
5.0 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
Grace O'Malley
07-13-2023, 11:59 AM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.9894% / 0.06989358
55.0 ENF&CHG
45.0 WHG&EHG


Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.9894% / 0.06989358
43.4 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
34.6 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.6 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
10.4 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
rothaer
07-13-2023, 12:08 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.9894% / 0.06989358
55.0 ENF&CHG
45.0 WHG&EHG


Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.9894% / 0.06989358
43.4 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
34.6 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.6 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
10.4 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour

It's an interesting result. The high Yamnaya proportion of Irish is ambigous in this aspect as it contains high CHG which is a southern component in this context.
Katarzyna
07-13-2023, 04:33 PM
Target: Katarzyna_scaled(PolishBelarusianUkrainian).sim36
Distance: 7.5752% / 0.07575231
51.0 ENF&CHG
49.0 WHG&EHG

Distance to: Katarzyna_scaled(PolishBelarusianUkrainian).sim36
0.23035856 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
0.23803476 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.28297363 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
0.31778913 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
0.35841702 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
0.46138491 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.49023430 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.50784080 Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.61021919 EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.62226936 OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4
0.77480122 SSA=Yoruba

Ah of course. As always I am the North-Eastern queen. Waiting for the evening until my Slavic compatriots (or some Finns) will join the calc and dethrone me.

I am particularly thinking of those potential candidates: Lemminkäinen, LaSentinelle, mariusz99 and Ugochavez. They have a lot of Finnic so I expect them to score higher than me in WHG/EHG.
Hulu
07-13-2023, 04:42 PM
Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 2.5178% / 0.02517843
77.8 ENF&CHG
19.0 WHG&EHG
3.2 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
vader
07-13-2023, 05:17 PM
Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.8871% / 0.04887073
65.6 ENF&CHG
28.0 WHG&EHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.8 SSA=Yoruba

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.7114% / 0.04711406
65.8 ENF&CHG
28.6 WHG&EHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.4360% / 0.04435975
65.8 ENF&CHG
28.4 WHG&EHG
4.8 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.0 SSA=Yoruba
Catnip
07-13-2023, 06:33 PM
Target: Caviezel_scaled
Distance: 5.0428% / 0.05042798
63.2 ENF&CHG
36.8 WHG&EHG
MandM
07-13-2023, 06:39 PM
Target: Milenko
Distance: 4.7043% / 0.04704284
70.2 ENF&CHG
29.8 WHG&EHG
rothaer
07-13-2023, 08:07 PM
Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 2.5178% / 0.02517843
77.8 ENF&CHG
19.0 WHG&EHG
3.2 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Highest ENF&CHG till now.
rothaer
07-13-2023, 08:10 PM
Target: Katarzyna_scaled(PolishBelarusianUkrainian).sim36
Distance: 7.5752% / 0.07575231
51.0 ENF&CHG
49.0 WHG&EHG

Distance to: Katarzyna_scaled(PolishBelarusianUkrainian).sim36
0.23035856 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
0.23803476 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.28297363 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
0.31778913 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
0.35841702 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
0.46138491 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.49023430 Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.50784080 Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.61021919 EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.62226936 OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4
0.77480122 SSA=Yoruba

Ah of course. As always I am the North-Eastern queen. Waiting for the evening until my Slavic compatriots (or some Finns) will join the calc and dethrone me.

I am particularly thinking of those potential candidates: Lemminkäinen, LaSentinelle, mariusz99 and Ugochavez. They have a lot of Finnic so I expect them to score higher than me in WHG/EHG.

Aila is the most extreme to my perception. But she's not that much around.
Hulu
07-13-2023, 08:31 PM
Highest ENF&CHG till now.

I rather you left ENF and CHG separate
Nurzat
07-13-2023, 08:38 PM
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 5.1992% / 0.05199178
62.8 ENF&CHG
37.2 WHG&EHG


and with separate components ENF, CHG, WHG and EHG and the rest

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 5.1992% / 0.05199178
51.8 ENF
34.8 EHG
11.0 CHG
2.4 WHG
Eurafricanid
07-13-2023, 08:38 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8711% / 0.03871084
71.3 ENF&CHG
27.3 WHG&EHG
1.4 Natufian=Levant_Natufian


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8828% / 0.03882757 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.7 ENF&CHG
27.3 WHG&EHG



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Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8711% / 0.03871084
60.3 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.8 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
8.5 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
1.4 Natufian=Levant_Natufian


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8828% / 0.03882757 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.6 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.8 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.1 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
8.5 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
cass
07-13-2023, 09:11 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 6.5087% / 0.06508730
53.8 ENF&CHG
46.2 WHG&EHG

Target: cass
Distance: 6.5088% / 0.06508827
44.8 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
37.8 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
9.0 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
8.4 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
Voskos
07-13-2023, 09:42 PM
There's no such thing as Northern and Southern ethnically speaking.
Anyways, thanks for the calc.

Target:
Distance: 3.7150% / 0.03714995
48.4 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.8 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
16.0 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
12.4 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
1.4 ROU_Iron_Gates_HG
Hulu
07-13-2023, 09:49 PM
There's no such thing as Northern and Southern ethnically speaking.
Anyways, thanks for the calc.

Target:
Distance: 3.7150% / 0.03714995
48.4 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.8 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
16.0 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
12.4 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
1.4 ROU_Iron_Gates_HG

I forgot you can do this with NO aggregate


Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 2.5178% / 0.02517843
64.4 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
19.0 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
13.4 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
3.2 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
rothaer
07-13-2023, 10:37 PM
I rather you left ENF and CHG separate

I don't fully get the sentence. But in the OP is explained why it is merged this time.
rothaer
07-13-2023, 10:39 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8711% / 0.03871084
71.3 ENF&CHG
27.3 WHG&EHG
1.4 Natufian=Levant_Natufian


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8828% / 0.03882757 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.7 ENF&CHG
27.3 WHG&EHG



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Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8711% / 0.03871084
60.3 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.8 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
8.5 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour
1.4 Natufian=Levant_Natufian


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8828% / 0.03882757 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.6 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.8 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.1 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
8.5 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour

You can go by your full kit here, I think.
Eurafricanid
07-14-2023, 01:13 AM
You can go by your full kit here, I think.

I could, but it's not the same, the EHG overlaps with the Amerindian (and, btw this is my coordinates, if you add these up with the SSA part and the Amerindian part (in the exact amounts), the result is exactly my full coordinates)

Target: Eurafricanid-AM
Distance: 36.7249% / 0.36724858
94.7 Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
5.3 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG

It looks not too bad isolated here, but, because it's so little, in the full it's broken down into South Asian and more EHG and everything gets mixed up.

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 2.3795% / 0.02379497
46.6 SSA=Yoruba
34.6 ENF&CHG
16.3 WHG&EHG
1.8 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
0.7 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
Rafael Passoni
07-14-2023, 04:39 AM
Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 3.8528% / 0.03852762
67.8 ENF&CHG:ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
16.4 WHG&EHG:EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
12.2 ENF&CHG:CHG=GEO_CHG
3.6 WHG&EHG:WHG=LUX_Loschbour


Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 3.8528% / 0.03852762
80.0 ENF&CHG
20.0 WHG&EHG
Danjojo
07-14-2023, 06:24 PM
Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 5.6202% / 0.05620215
56.4 ENF&CHG
43.6 WHG&EHG

Distance to: DanjojoSIM
0.02395759 Germanic:Ger+Dutch
0.03803414 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.10587970 South_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Umbria
0.11584090 North_Paleo_Balkan:Italian_Abruzzo
0.44552924 Altaic:Altaian
noricum
07-16-2023, 04:02 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 6.7152% / 0.06715248
58.2 ENF&CHG
41.8 WHG&EHG
ZeDude
07-16-2023, 05:25 PM
Target: ZeDude
Distance: 3.9265% / 0.03926482
72.4 ENF&CHG
27.6 WHG&EHG