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European blood
12-02-2011, 12:55 PM
The United Nations General Assembly has passed a Russia-sponsored draft resolution against the glorification of Nazism and attempts to rewrite WWII history.

The document states that any attempts to revise the history for war, the Nuremberg decisions and to whitewash former Nazis must be considered as violations of the UN Charter and the principles on which it was established, reports Itar-Tass.

The resolution on "Inadmissibility of certain practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance" was supported by 120 states in the Third Committee of the UN GA. Twenty-two countries – including the Baltic states – said “no” to the document, while 31 UN members abstained.

It becomes increasingly frequent that monuments to the Nazis are unveiled in a solemn atmosphere, the days of liberation from the Nazi forces are declared days of mourning, and people who oppose the trend face arrests, Russia’s representative to the UN Grigory Lukyantsev pointed out prior to the vote.

“To add more, in some countries they are trying hard to raise to the rank of …heroes of the national liberation movement those who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition or collaborated with the Nazis," he is quoted as saying.

Lukyantsev stressed that it is "not about political correctness, but very frank and cynical blasphemy towards those who liberated the world from the horrors of National-Socialism." It is also about criminal acts within the meaning of Article 4 of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.

The Russian representative called “untenable” attempts by some politicians to convince the international community that the glorification of the Nazism is only an implementation of the right to freedom of expression and Nazi marches – the freedom of assembly and association.

Lukyantsev suggested that authors of such statements should "read once again the UN Charter, the human rights provisions of which are a direct response to the horrors of World War II and to the horrific crimes committed by the Nazi regime."

"Let's not forget about what has been worked out in suffering and written in blood in the literal sense of the word," he concluded.

Nationalist and neo-Nazi movements have been on the rise in some former Soviet republics since the disintegration of the USSR. It has become a common trend in, for instance, western Ukraine and the Baltic states to claim that the Soviet period was even worse than the Nazi occupation.

SS marches glorifying Nazi legions are no longer uncommon in Latvia and Estonia. Not long ago, a small town in the western Ukrainian Lvov region changed the name of Peace Street to the Nachtigall Battalion Warriors Street, which is named after members of the auxiliary formation that fought alongside the Nazis in WWII.

The victory in the bloodiest war in the history of humanity – where representatives of different nationalities and religions fought shoulder to shoulder against the common enemy – cost the Soviet Union over 20 million lives.

http://rt.com/politics/un-resolution-nazi-glorification-665/

The Ripper
12-02-2011, 01:31 PM
Fuck Russia. :thumb001:

Waidewut
12-02-2011, 02:25 PM
Nationalist and neo-Nazi movements have been on the rise in some former Soviet republics since the disintegration of the USSR. It has become a common trend in, for instance, western Ukraine and the Baltic states to claim that the Soviet period was even worse than the Nazi occupation.

This common trend is actually right, as the preservation of Latvian and Estonian people, their language and culture, is in grave danger even today, due to the massive inflow of Soviet immigrants/colonists in the period of 1950-1989.

Talvi
12-02-2011, 02:35 PM
Also a lot of that is bullcrap.


SS marches glorifying Nazi legions are no longer uncommon in Latvia and Estonia.

At least in Estonia there are no such things.
Those marches are for/by people who faught and fell during the war including or people who fought (or were forced) to fight for the Nazis/Against the Red Army.



So yes. Fuck you!

Ants
12-02-2011, 03:27 PM
Fuck you from me too, and also from my grandfather Albert, who fought you soviet bricks in the battles in Narva, 1944.

Talvi
12-02-2011, 05:40 PM
Fuck you from me too, and also from my grandfather Albert, who fought you soviet bricks in the battles in Narva, 1944.

I think every Estonian/Latvian has family like that.

Der Steinadler
12-02-2011, 06:06 PM
the more laws they pass, the more despearte they get to keep a lid on the big lie.

BeerBaron
12-02-2011, 06:15 PM
Looks like Russia is poised to disappoint apricity's resident pan-europeans :laugh:

Waidewut
12-02-2011, 07:36 PM
I think every Estonian/Latvian has family like that.

Indeed quite possible, my grand-uncle was in one of the Latvians Waffen-SS divisions.

W. R.
12-02-2011, 07:43 PM
draft resolutionOutlaws? Nope. Denounces? Yes.

Breedingvariety
12-02-2011, 11:03 PM
the more laws they pass, the more despearte they get to keep a lid on the big lie.
What is the big lie?

lI
12-05-2011, 04:37 PM
The resolution on "Inadmissibility of certain practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance" was supported by 120 states in the Third Committee of the UN GA. Twenty-two countries – including the Baltic states – said “no” to the document, while 31 UN members abstained.
http://rt.com/politics/un-resolution-nazi-glorification-665/It's quite interesting that not a single EU member country voted in favour of that resolution and yet the article in the OP chose to focus on the Baltic states as if their votes were exceptionally outrageous :rolleyes:

All member countries of the European Union abstained along with the former Soviet republics of Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, the statement said.http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/7240256.html


Also, I don't think it's wise to make generalizations for all three Baltic states because Lithuania's situation differs from the other two in that Nazis never managed to raise SS unit there. So, if in Latvia and Estonia there are meetings of war veterans (which, quite frankly, I don't think is something to frown about), in Lithuania there are no veterans and the only pro-Nazi folks are simply either the ignorant things who never bothered to read about Generalplan Ost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost) or masochists with inferiority complex - not that many of them around though, gladly, Nazis are generally regarded just as evil as Soviets.



Anyway, the bottom line is that Nazis being bad does by no means make Soviets good.

Der Steinadler
12-05-2011, 04:43 PM
What is the big lie?

the Holocaust. its the big issue mate.

few will permit the tale to be told and fewer can do the telling.

seek for thyself thought criminal.....http://www.germarrudolf.com/

beaver
12-05-2011, 06:08 PM
Looks like Russia is poised to disappoint apricity's resident pan-europeans

I have very serious personal/family count to Germans but I would never allow to myself to write something like "fuck Germany". Second, if someone of these fuckers would like to say me "fuck Russia" face-to-face, there will be no too strong problems to arrange this (but, since i didnt incult someone from my side - welcome to Moscow then). I fully understand that Finns, Estonians and many other hate Russia but I was surprised that they allowed to themselves such direct insults in this forum.

Breedingvariety
12-05-2011, 08:13 PM
the Holocaust. its the big issue mate.

few will permit the tale to be told and fewer can do the telling.

seek for thyself thought criminal.....http://www.germarrudolf.com/
I believe we are being lied to mind boggling extent. It wouldn't shock me if the holocaust and German atrocities were much less than we are told they were.

But regardless...

Der Steinadler
12-05-2011, 08:23 PM
I believe we are being lied to mind boggling extent. It wouldn't shock me if the holocaust and German atrocities were much less than we are told they were.

But regardless...

look into the issue and see what you can discover.

Osweo
12-05-2011, 09:01 PM
I have very serious personal/family count to Germans but I would never allow to myself to write something like "fuck Germany". Second, if someone of these fuckers would like to say me "fuck Russia" face-to-face, there will be no too strong problems to arrange this (but, since i didnt incult someone from my side - welcome to Moscow then). I fully understand that Finns, Estonians and many other hate Russia but I was surprised that they allowed to themselves such direct insults in this forum.

Ah come on, look at the CONTEXT! People are obviously saying 'fuck Russia' on this particular issue, and the 'fuck you' is directed to the Russian government and those behind this initiative, not Russia as such. And I agree with them, fuck them, interfering in how other nationals choose to commemorate their grandfathers! And I'm the biggest Russophile on the forum. :D

Of course, it's just political posturing, and nothing TOO serious, but it's still annoying to hear stuff like this from Moscow. I imagine there'll be less and less of it as the War fades out of living memory, though.