Is this lady a good example of the Norid phenotype?

[Rium]

Her name is Emily Kohrs and she is American. She was all over the news about 5 months ago.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/rockcms/2023-02/230221-emily-kohrs-ac-948p-89c097.jpg
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/045/16a/04fb3ac04a94e8c278d514761a98b278f1-230221193907-emily-kohrs.rsquare.w700.jpg

[Xacal]

Alpinized Norid

[Alenka]

Not at all. Borreby/Armenoid.

[parsley]

Norid with Alpinid

[Melkiirs]

Not at all. Borreby/Armenoid.

Can you elaborate on why that is?

[Dimitri159]

Can you elaborate on why that is?

It’s simple. If you don’t have a puny almost non-existent nose and little eyes then you are classified as an Armenoid. Didn’t you know that?!

[Melkiirs]

It’s simple. If you don’t have a puny almost non-existent nose and little eyes then you are classified as an Armenoid. Didn’t you know that?!

Why not Norid instead of Armenoid influence? She does not look particularly West Asian at all.

[Dimitri159]

Why not Norid instead of Armenoid influence? She does not look particularly West Asian at all.

I know she doesn’t. It was a joke.
She looks like an Alpinized Norid, and a common look throughout Central Europe and Germany.

[Alenka]

Can you elaborate on why that is?
Well first of all, I live quite close to the Norid phenotype epicenter, and she just doesn't look familiar.

Norid traits are a V-shaped face and a sharp nose, plus just an overall lanky impression. Basically a depigmented version of Dinarid.
Meanwhile, she has a somewhat angular face (some CM input) and a droopy nose (Tauridisation beyond what is usually seen in Norids).

Here's a good example of a Norid woman, the 2nd left in the back row:

https://i.imgur.com/CitKfhx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ghHmDds.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BtQxOio.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NWr3COY.jpg

[Melkiirs]

Well first of all, I live quite close to the Norid phenotype epicenter, and she just doesn't look familiar.

Norid traits are a V-shaped face and a sharp nose, plus just an overall lanky impression. Basically a depigmented version of Dinarid.
Meanwhile, she has a somewhat angular face (some CM input) and a droopy nose (Tauridisation beyond what is usually seen in Norids).

Here's a good example of a Norid woman, the 2nd left in the back row:


If she is not so typical in Slovenia or the general Alpine region where do you think she passes better?

[Alenka]

If she is not so typical in Slovenia or the general Alpine region where do you think she passes better?
I'd guess her as half-Ashkenazi, honestly.

[Dimitri159]

Norid traits are a V-shaped face and a sharp nose, plus just an overall lanky impression. Basically a depigmented version of Dinarid.
Meanwhile, she has a somewhat angular face (some CM input)

The Alpinization gives her rounder edges, she is not purely Norid. And I still do not see anything exclusively Armenoid about her.


and a droopy nose (Tauridisation beyond what is usually seen in Norids).

Textbook Dinarids have droopy noses as well:
https://i.imgur.io/1Qzgim5_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkYHSu_fK_jABRMt5k2qHqdInMFXQrG 6wlgg&usqp=CAU
But of course the standards have changed on forums like this, in order to comfortably place Dinarids within the set of ‘ideal European’ traits.

Dinarid and Armenoid are cousin phenotypes anyway. Comparing them is like comparing Faelid to Baltid. To the untrained eye, they look the same.

[Alenka]

The Alpinization gives her rounder edges, she is not purely Norid. And I still do not see anything Armenoid about her.



Textbook Dinarids have droopy noses as well:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkYHSu_fK_jABRMt5k2qHqdInMFXQrG 6wlgg&usqp=CAU
But of course the standards have changed on forums like this, in order to comfortably place Dinarids within the set of ‘ideal European’ traits.
The man you posted looks familiar. She does not.
Also, it doesn't make any sense to compare her frontal pics to his profile pic.
Post either his frontals or her profile to actually compare.
They really don't look alike.

[Dimitri159]

Post either his frontals or her profile to actually compare.
They really don't look alike.

Well yeah, because she is also Alpinized and Nordicized. This was an example of a pure textbook Dinarid. And also, she is female.

[Alenka]

Okay, I see you've added some frontal Dinarid pic. That's better.
But still, notice what you're doing. You're trying to compare a young woman to elderly Dinarid men.
If a young woman's nose can match an elderly Dinarid man's nose, it's simply because she has Armenoid input.
Young Dinarids don't have noses like her. Compare young Nikola Tesla, who was a textbook Dinarid, in his youth and as an elderly man.

https://i.imgur.com/i24HaNF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P3gWkwz.jpg

[Dimitri159]

Okay, I see you've added some frontal Dinarid pics. That's better.
But still, notice what you're doing. You're trying to compare a young woman to an elderly Dinarid man.
If a young woman's nose can match an elderly Dinarid man's nose, it's simply because she has Armenoid input.
Young Dinarids don't have noses like her. Compare young Nikola Tesla, who was a textbook Dinarid, in his youth and as an elderly man.

https://i.imgur.com/i24HaNF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P3gWkwz.jpg

You picked a very strange image for an example.

Here is what his nose really looked like at young age:
https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/small/flat/sticker/images/artworkimages/medium/2/young-nikola-tesla-serbian-american-science-source.jpg?transparent=0&targetx=135&targety=0&imagewidth=729&imageheight=1000&modelwidth=1000&modelheight=1000&backgroundcolor=6F6F6F&orientation=0&producttype=sticker-3-3&brightness=333&stickerbackgroundcolor=transparent
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dc2c5ptWkAA9I2O.jpg

[Carl_uhul]

What about him?

https://t.ctcdn.com.br/6UDw9yrT86-hAsaXkUWU3nt9wBM=/400x400/smart/filters:format(webp)/i490767.jpeg

[Dimitri159]

Okay, I see you've added some frontal Dinarid pic. That's better.
But still, notice what you're doing. You're trying to compare a young woman to elderly Dinarid men.
If a young woman's nose can match an elderly Dinarid man's nose, it's simply because she has Armenoid input.
Young Dinarids don't have noses like her. Compare young Nikola Tesla, who was a textbook Dinarid, in his youth and as an elderly man.

https://i.imgur.com/i24HaNF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P3gWkwz.jpg

Plus I also see plenty of younger Albanians, Serbians and Greeks with large convex or droopy noses. So what, they’re not Dinarids anymore just plain Armenoids? Smh… I guess we gotta start calling half of the Albanian population Armenoid at this point.

[Alenka]

You picked a very strange image for an example.

Here is what his nose really looked like at young age:
https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/small/flat/sticker/images/artworkimages/medium/2/young-nikola-tesla-serbian-american-science-source.jpg?transparent=0&targetx=135&targety=0&imagewidth=729&imageheight=1000&modelwidth=1000&modelheight=1000&backgroundcolor=6F6F6F&orientation=0&producttype=sticker-3-3&brightness=333&stickerbackgroundcolor=transparent
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dc2c5ptWkAA9I2O.jpg
In those you posted he was closer to middle age, rather than really young.
And the second one is a semi-profile plus taken from above, unlike hers, which are regular frontal pictures.

[Alenka]

Plus I also see plenty of younger Albanians, Serbians and Greeks with large convex or droopy noses. So what, they’re not Dinarids anymore just plain Armenoids? Smh… I guess we gotta start calling half of the Albanian population Armenoid at this point.
I likely see more Serbs and Albanians each and every day than you have in your entire life.
Noses like hers are simply not the norm at all.

[Dimitri159]

I likely see more Serbs and Albanians each and every day than you have in your entire life.
Noses like hers are simply not the norm at all.

Well Albanians and Serbs must not be very Dinarid then.

Out of a total of 23 Albanians I’ve met in my life, 11 of them had a nose like hers or similar. Is that really just a coincidence?
As for Greeks (where I’ve met hundreds excluding my family), it is extremely common.

[Alenka]

Well Albanians and Serbs are not very Dinarid then.

Out of a total of 23 Albanians I’ve met in my life, 11 of them had a nose like hers or similar. Is that really just a coincidence?
Or maybe you simply have a misconception regarding what the Dinarid type is really like.
Tell you what, I suggest visiting the Western Balkan region if you ever get the chance.
Then you'll know exactly what the Dinarid type usually tends to be like.

[Dimitri159]

Or maybe you simply have a misconception regarding what the Dinarid type is really like.
Tell you what, I suggest visiting the Western Balkan region if you ever get the chance.
Then you'll know exactly what the Dinarid type usually tends to be like.

Unless the anthropologists who showcased textbook Dinarids were wrong all along, I know exactly what Dinarid looks like.

[Alenka]

Unless the anthropologists who showcased textbook Dinarids are wrong, I know what Dinarid looks like… lol.
Those plates are a good representation of what elderly Dinarid men tend to look like.
Can you find a plate showcasing a young Dinarid woman similar to this lady?
Good luck with that.

[Alenka]

https://en-academic.com/pictures/enwiki/68/Dinarisch.JPG
https://cs6.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2015-04_5/14299380879910.jpg

[Dimitri159]

https://en-academic.com/pictures/enwiki/68/Dinarisch.JPG
https://cs6.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2015-04_5/14299380879910.jpg

I mean, her nose looks pretty droopy to me. It’s not as large, but the shape is the same.

[Alenka]

I mean, her nose looks pretty droopy to me. It’s not as large, but the shape is the same.
It's sharp and convex indeed, but the tip itself is not nearly as flashy, droopy, hanging as that girl.
Now read Armenoid descriptions by any anthropologist. Fleshy, droopy, hanging tip of the nose.

And, as you've admitted, the Dinarid plate woman has a smaller nose, while that girl's nose is notably bigger.
That also just so happens to be the difference between the Dinarid and Armenoid types.

[Melkiirs]

I'd guess her as half-Ashkenazi, honestly.

Half Ashkenazi could be a vast range of phenotypes. Someone could be half Ashkenazi and also half SSA or half Japanese. Her nose somewhat resembles that of Reinhard Heydrich who was full ethnic German from Saxony. Noric is a mixed type so depending on the location some cases will tend more to Dinarid or Nordid. I'm not sure but perhaps in Germany the nordid component might be stronger which can lead to subjects like Reinhard Heydrich or Emily Kohrs.

A stereotypical Jewish nose is the combination of significant convexity, pronounced fleshy nostrils, and a fleshy amorphous tip. This is not unlike Armenoid noses. Kohrs may posses a large very convex nose but her nostrils are quite flat and the tip is quite pointy/well defined. I am uncertain if those in a religious Jewish community would mistake her for their own.

This is what some religious Jew online posted:


"Oh and this particular woman has a German or Jewish sounding name, but her face says North Europe. Her nose is large, but it's too pointy to be one of ours. Her forehead is too high and round, also, to be one of us."

https://patriots.win/p/16aT3EHYlF/emily-kohrs-the-dark-elve-and-al/c/

[Alenka]

Half Ashkenazi could have a vast range of phenotypes. Someone could be half Ashkenazi and also half SSA or half Japanese. Her nose somewhat resembles that of Reinhard Heydrich who was full ethnic German from Saxony. Noric is a mixed type so depending on the location some cases will tend more to Dinarid or Nordid. I'm not sure but perhaps in Germany the nordid component might be stronger which can lead to subjects like Reinhard Heydrich or Emily Kohrs.
I don't really agree with their noses looking alike.
And I assure you the girl's nose doesn't seem Nordid influenced in any way, shape, or form (WTF?).

https://i.imgur.com/W4glFi9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oneDAZL.jpg


A stereotypical Jewish nose is the combination of significant convexity, pronounced fleshy nostrils, and a fleshy amorphous tip. This is not unlike Armenoid noses. Kohrs may posses a large very convex nose but her nostrils are quite flat and the tip is quite pointy/well defined. I am uncertain if those in Jewish community would mistake her for Ashkenazi.

This is what some Jew online posted:
"Oh and this particular woman has a German or Jewish sounding name, but her face says North Europe. Her nose is large, but it's too pointy to be one of ours. Her forehead is too high and round, also, to be one of us."

Sorry, but that's simply deluional. I assure you her facial trait composition is not North Euro looking at all.
She would blend in way better exactly among them, regardless what they might ramble about online.
Just ask the German or Swedish members if they find her familiar looking and you'll see.

[Melkiirs]

I don't really agree with their noses looking alike.
And I assure you the girl's nose doesn't seem Nordid influenced in any way, shape, or form (WTF?).

Sorry, but that's simply deluional. I assure you her facial trait composition is not North Euro looking at all.
She would blend in way better exactly among them, regardless what they might ramble about online.
Just ask the German or Swedish members if they find her familiar looking and you'll see.

Thanks for your straightforward input. I suggested nordid influence because nordids tend to have slim hyperleptorrine straight noses. Taurid noses including dinard are relatively fleshier and coarser. Of course strong nordid influence would be associated with a straighter nose and her nose is still very convex so that didn’t fully make sense. I‘m going to ask Rothaer who is Eastern German if she fits as one of their Norics who are not close to a dinarid dominant area.

That Jewish individual might have been trying to avoid association with her due to her controversial antics. I agree with him that she is not quite a Jewish caricature due to the aforementioned atypical features, but she definitely tend more to the stereotype than the average White American.

[Lobster]

I think she's Noric. She could pass as Ashkenazi tbh

[Thorn]

Not really.

It have Baltid influence.