Evgenia (singer): Is it common for Bulgarians to look THIS much Anatolian/Armenoid?

[Dimitri159]

She is a Greek singer. But her surname, “Stanev”, is Bulgarian. She’s not what I imagined a Bulgarian to look like, she looks very Armenian to me. Is her look common?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z_15GmA3lcE/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwE9CPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAy8IARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJ DeAHwAQH4Af4JgALQBYoCDAgAEAEYfyAvKBQwDw==&rs=AOn4CLBaJ3B-ij9S1OftujzcpdfJZ-p90w
https://storage.googleapis.com/ares-profile-pictures/hd/evgenia_stanev-efdc37f6f0a20971423f69ad9d222abc_hd.jpg

[Dimitri159]

I only met 4 Bulgarians in person. So can somebody tell me?

[InmostLight]

My only knowledge of Bulgarians is from watching those Bulgarian women's choir concerts online (like obsessively), and the diversity in the ladies' appearances is always striking. She looks regular to me.

[Dimitri159]

My only knowledge of Bulgarians is from watching those Bulgarian women's choir concerts online (like obsessively), and the diversity in the ladies' appearances is always striking. She looks regular to me.

So why to so many people say that Armenoids are atypical in the Balkan region? I see it among Greeks a lot too but they all deny it on here.

[InmostLight]

So why to so many people say that Armenoids are atypical in the Balkan region? I see it among Greeks a lot too but they all deny it on here.

:noidea: beats me. I'd imagine that there is a lot of Ottoman influence in the Balkans, but people don't seem happy to admit that. I probably shouldn't butt into Balkan affairs... my American mindset is "why can't y'all just live together? You're all basically identical cultures, anyway"...

[Dimitri159]

:noidea: beats me. I'd imagine that there is a lot of Ottoman influence in the Balkans, but people don't seem happy to admit that. I probably shouldn't butt into Balkan affairs... my American mindset is "why can't y'all just live together? You're all basically identical cultures, anyway"...

Honestly I don’t think it has anything to do with the Ottomans, because the Ottomans generally did not mix with local Balkan populations. Instead I feel like these looks have always been part the Greco/Balkan phenotypical diversity. I feel like the Hellenic and Thracian groups always included some Anatolian ancestry since antiquity.

[Alenka]

So why to so many people say that Armenoids are atypical in the Balkan region? I see it among Greeks a lot too but they all deny it on here.
Armenoids do exist in the Balkan region. Even among Slovenes it can be found.
That being said, it makes sense to call it atypical, because it pops up on an individual level.
Generally, Dinarid describes the Tauridisation in the Balkans better, regarding the populations as a whole.
But on an individual level certain persons have more extreme features. In these cases, Armenoid is an accurate descriptor.

[Dimitri159]

Armenoids do exist in the Balkan region. Even among Slovenes it can be found.
That being said, it makes sense to call it atypical, because it pops up on an individual level.
Generally, Dinarid describes the Tauridisation in the Balkans better, regarding the populations as a whole.
But on an individual level certain persons have more extreme features. In these cases, Armenoid is an accurate descriptor.

Evgenia is a literal textbook Armenoid. If somebody here said that she is common among Bulgarian crowds’ watched (“obsessively”), you expect me to believe she’s lying? Because I see it a lot too.

[Roy]

Maybe not common, but not extraordinary either.

[Dimitri159]

Maybe not common, but not extraordinary either.

So maybe Armenoids are not as rare in the Balkan region, as they all say.

[Dimitri159]

Armenoids do exist in the Balkan region. Even among Slovenes it can be found.
That being said, it makes sense to call it atypical, because it pops up on an individual level.
Generally, Dinarid describes the Tauridisation in the Balkans better, regarding the populations as a whole.
But on an individual level certain persons have more extreme features. In these cases, Armenoid is an accurate descriptor.

My bad, I misread. I thought you said “don’t exist”.

[kingmob]

Thrace had historical input from Armenians and Leucosyrians during the medieval, some Byzantine emperors settled them there to increase stability since the near easterner subjects were always more staunch supporters of the crown compared to their peninsular counterparts. Then there was the close proximity to the capital during the Ottoman era that attracted all sorts of crowds.

Maybe that's one of the reasons.

[Dimitri159]

Thrace had historical input from Armenians and Leucosyrians during the medieval, some Byzantine emperors settled them there to increase stability since the near easterner subjects were always more staunch supporters of the crown compared to their peninsular counterparts. Then there was the close proximity to the capital during the Ottoman era that attracted all sorts of crowds.

Maybe that's one of the reasons.

Interesting. What part of Thrace? Because Evgenia is ethnically Bulgarian, not Greek. I think she looks way more exotic even than most (mainland) Greeks let alone Bulgarians, and always thought Greeks looked slightly more exotic than Bulgarians on a general level.

[kingmob]

Interesting. What part of Thrace? Because Evgenia is ethnically Bulgarian, not Greek. I think she looks more exotic even than most (mainland) Greeks let alone Bulgarians, and always thought Greeks looked slightly more exotic than Bulgarians on a general level.

All parts of Thrace but mostly eastern (which is also part of Bulgaria now). Afaik, Bulgaria still has a surviving ethnic Armenian minority who were originally Paulicians, probably in very small numbers now.

Thracians in Greece (not recent Anatolian settlers) can also have those looks, it was a diverse place due to its aforementioned proximity with all sorts of crowds settling in service to the crown or the sultan, from Varangians to Pechenegs and from Syrians to Caucasians.

[Alenka]

Evgenia is a literal textbook Armenoid. If somebody here said that she is common among Bulgarian crowds’ watched (“obsessively”), you expect me to believe she’s lying? Because I see it a lot too.
Evgenia looks like she might be partially Armenoid, but with some Med and/or Gorid nautralising it.
As for Armenoids from this region, these two Slovenian ski-jumping siblings come to mind.
If you ask me, he looks like a Germano-Jew, and she looks like a Turko-Tatar. xD
On the last pic you can compare and contrast them to their spouses, who are much more average looking (her being Alpinid + Dinarid, and him being Dinarid + Alpinid).

https://i.imgur.com/juatUcI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8h0L6nZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/d0pbtI9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kfior03.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ekI2Mef.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UQ1YNvw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XKgj6U2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hcgXhJw.jpg

[catgeorge]

Perfectly normal for the region from Ukraine to Croatia to Italy to Cyprus and everything in between.

Some need to take an IQ test before they are allowed to start threads.

[andrzej]

Is she Armenoid? I would think she's just Dinarid. However, the line between Dinarids and Armenoids can be murky since the types are pretty similar.



:noidea: beats me. I'd imagine that there is a lot of Ottoman influence in the Balkans, but people don't seem happy to admit that. I probably shouldn't butt into Balkan affairs... my American mindset is "Why can't y'all just live together? You're all basically identical cultures, anyway"...
It really has nothing to do with Ottomans, these types are indigenous to Eastern Europe especially the mountain areas of the Dinarid Alps and Carpathians. In the Pyrenees you get Baskids and in the Caucaus' Mtebids. Maybe these types are more prevalent in mountain areas because they descend from certain neolithic farmers that looked Armenoid and remained more isolated? Or maybe the environment helped develop such phenotypes? Who knows.

For example here are some phentypes that you find in the Ukrainian Carpathians some of them might be classified as Armenoids rather than just Dinarids, and certain anthropologists just called those types Armenoids:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d39f94f320baedf01ac7fd8d0816d74e/02f25cffa2550776-f8/s2048x3072/5f50563dcd75281e85cb906ddfa452e491d2d9f8.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/a2bff82f09a087a25679a60aea46f1de/02f25cffa2550776-ff/s2048x3072/d606a49012b56ca97de61507bf27d528380ae63f.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/98b97ed96b4a6ce80e0cf9fec0e445c3/02f25cffa2550776-46/s2048x3072/5e7ed80d203823ad37c8b98a0aa69853aa26abe0.jpg
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So maybe Armenoids are not as rare in the Balkan region, as they all say.
Armenoids and psuedo-Armenoids are found even among Northern Slavs or at least Ukrainians, Slovaks, and Poles. I say pseudo-Armenoids because sometimes certain "Carpathid" and Dinarid-Baltid mixes can easily look Armenoid.

So no they're not non-existent in the Balkans or other parts of Eastern Europe either, even if they're not common. But, like I said sometimes the line between Armenoids and Dinarids are murky so they may be more common in certain areas than you think.

Also, take into account that Jewish and Armenian people were some of the main minority groups in both the Balkans and Poland/Ukraine and that many of them assimilated throughout time, which would add to already Indigenous types.


Evgenia looks like she might be partially Armenoid, but with some Med and/or Gorid nautralising it.
As for Armenoids from this region, these two Slovenian ski-jumping siblings come to mind.
If you ask me, he looks like a Germano-Jew, and she looks like a Turko-Tatar. xD
On the last pic you can compare and contrast them to their spouses, who are much more average looking (her being Alpinid + Dinarid, and him being Dinarid + Alpinid).

Those people have Dinarid influence not Armenoid, although in the end I guess it's hard to know. I would never call them Armenoids though lol. My first thought was they were Slovaks, by the way.

[Jambudvīpa]

Is she Armenoid? I would think she's just Dinarid. However, the line between Dinarids and Armenoids can be murky since the types are pretty similar.



It really has nothing to do with Ottomans, these types are indigenous to Eastern Europe especially the mountain areas of the Dinarid Alps and Carpathians. In the Pyrenees you get Baskids and in the Caucaus' Mtebids. Maybe these types are more prevalent in mountain areas because they descend from certain neolithic farmers that looked Armenoid and remained more isolated? Or maybe the environment helped develop such phenotypes? Who knows.

For example here are some phentypes that you find in the Ukrainian Carpathians some of them might be classified as Armenoids rather than just Dinarids, and certain anthropologists just called those types Armenoids:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d39f94f320baedf01ac7fd8d0816d74e/02f25cffa2550776-f8/s2048x3072/5f50563dcd75281e85cb906ddfa452e491d2d9f8.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/a2bff82f09a087a25679a60aea46f1de/02f25cffa2550776-ff/s2048x3072/d606a49012b56ca97de61507bf27d528380ae63f.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/98b97ed96b4a6ce80e0cf9fec0e445c3/02f25cffa2550776-46/s2048x3072/5e7ed80d203823ad37c8b98a0aa69853aa26abe0.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/2d3efc82b33aa06d746a3b4db08737a7/02f25cffa2550776-19/s2048x3072/f316bca9a09715050d97e2fd791fb99bbd672a28.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/0c3a4629bfd57e0bc350c76e0253cceb/02f25cffa2550776-43/s2048x3072/ce4f0eb9097d8fcf9d80c401d6f817ca999c9dad.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/78fa20eff6e07c7649847ea07b8644f3/02f25cffa2550776-92/s2048x3072/128c67cf2cb51dbe5fb6bfd538f735feed62359c.jpg




Armenoids and psuedo-Armenoids are found even among Northern Slavs or at least Ukrainians, Slovaks, and Poles. I say pseudo-Armenoids because sometimes certain "Carpathid" and Dinarid-Baltid mixes can easily look Armenoid.

So no they're not non-existent in the Balkans or other parts of Eastern Europe either, even if they're not common. But, like I said sometimes the line between Armenoids and Dinarids are murky so they may be more common in certain areas than you think.

Also, take into account that Jewish and Armenian people were some of the main minority groups in both the Balkans and Poland/Ukraine and that many of them assimilated throughout time, which would add to already Indigenous types.


Those people have Dinarid influence not Armenoid, although in the end I guess it's hard to know. I would never call them Armenoids though lol. My first thought was they were Slovaks, by the way.

some of the Ukrainians look Turk, actually one looks middle eastern, the top right in the fifth picture, interesting diversity

[Dimitri159]

Is she Armenoid? I would think she's just Dinarid. However, the line between Dinarids and Armenoids can be murky since the types are pretty similar.



It really has nothing to do with Ottomans, these types are indigenous to Eastern Europe especially the mountain areas of the Dinarid Alps and Carpathians. In the Pyrenees you get Baskids and in the Caucaus' Mtebids. Maybe these types are more prevalent in mountain areas because they descend from certain neolithic farmers that looked Armenoid and remained more isolated? Or maybe the environment helped develop such phenotypes? Who knows.

For example here are some phentypes that you find in the Ukrainian Carpathians some of them might be classified as Armenoids rather than just Dinarids, and certain anthropologists just called those types Armenoids:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d39f94f320baedf01ac7fd8d0816d74e/02f25cffa2550776-f8/s2048x3072/5f50563dcd75281e85cb906ddfa452e491d2d9f8.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/a2bff82f09a087a25679a60aea46f1de/02f25cffa2550776-ff/s2048x3072/d606a49012b56ca97de61507bf27d528380ae63f.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/98b97ed96b4a6ce80e0cf9fec0e445c3/02f25cffa2550776-46/s2048x3072/5e7ed80d203823ad37c8b98a0aa69853aa26abe0.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/2d3efc82b33aa06d746a3b4db08737a7/02f25cffa2550776-19/s2048x3072/f316bca9a09715050d97e2fd791fb99bbd672a28.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/0c3a4629bfd57e0bc350c76e0253cceb/02f25cffa2550776-43/s2048x3072/ce4f0eb9097d8fcf9d80c401d6f817ca999c9dad.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/78fa20eff6e07c7649847ea07b8644f3/02f25cffa2550776-92/s2048x3072/128c67cf2cb51dbe5fb6bfd538f735feed62359c.jpg




Armenoids and psuedo-Armenoids are found even among Northern Slavs or at least Ukrainians, Slovaks, and Poles. I say pseudo-Armenoids because sometimes certain "Carpathid" and Dinarid-Baltid mixes can easily look Armenoid.

So no they're not non-existent in the Balkans or other parts of Eastern Europe either, even if they're not common. But, like I said sometimes the line between Armenoids and Dinarids are murky so they may be more common in certain areas than you think.

Also, take into account that Jewish and Armenian people were some of the main minority groups in both the Balkans and Poland/Ukraine and that many of them assimilated throughout time, which would add to already Indigenous types.


Those people have Dinarid influence not Armenoid, although in the end I guess it's hard to know. I would never call them Armenoids though lol. My first thought was they were Slovaks, by the way.

How common are these looks for Eastern Europeans? And are these possibly the looks that Hitler most likely considered ‘sub-human’ among the Slavic population?