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Done. Only for fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans.
Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.01395 3,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.1259 26,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0. 010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189,0.129758,0.127957,0.062225,0 .077843,0.035699,0.03012,0.015981,0.020307,0.00674 9,-0.039363,-0.007307,-0.017534,0.005649,0.031103,-0.010993,0.005304,0.01017,-0.006334,0.012444,0.005503,-0.001248,0.002968,-0.000616,-0.005663,0.000838
Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212,0.124067,0.135065,0.075424 ,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00 634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.14217 4,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.1 2862,0.149283,0.052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.1 2862,0.147252,0.056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.1 22929,0.148267,0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877, 0.003055,0.011999,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG ,0.119514,0.138112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001 ,0.069432,-0.189904,0.032809,0.007106,-0.044008,-0.004183,0.006815,0.01823,-0.011862,-0.010023,-0.021273,-0.002698,0.003271,-0.009358,0.007872,-0.003447,-0.012256,-0.003801,0.00176,0.002126,-0.012478,0.000371,0.005793,-0.005302,-0.010777
Volga_Basin,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
Target: Feiichy_scaled_AncestryDNA
Distance: 0.0191% / 0.01909179
63.5 Balto-Slavic
26.8 Old_Balkan
5.8 East_Med
3.5 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Feiichy_scaled_MyHeritage
Distance: 0.0180% / 0.01804571
66.2 Balto-Slavic
30.2 Old_Balkan
3.3 East_Med
0.3 Germanic
Target: Feiichy_scaled_23andme
Distance: 0.0197% / 0.01969909
62.5 Balto-Slavic
27.9 Old_Balkan
5.1 East_Med
3.9 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Dušan
07-26-2023, 10:47 AM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2906% / 0.02290575
48.8 Balto-Slavic
44.0 Old_Balkan
3.2 Volga_Basin
3.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Tatar-Turan stronk :lightbul:
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2906% / 0.02290575
48.8 Balto-Slavic
44.0 Old_Balkan
3.2 Volga_Basin
3.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Tatar-Turan stronk :lightbul:
Magyar/Cuman/Avar ancestry??
Dušan
07-26-2023, 10:53 AM
Magyar/Cuman/Avar ancestry??
Magyar/Cuman/Avar/Pechenegs/Bulgars :confused:
Magyar/Cuman/Avar/Pechenegs/Bulgars :confused:
Yeah, forgot about Bulgars. They came from Volga Basin too.
mariusz99
07-26-2023, 11:08 AM
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.7059% / 0.01705878
69.8 Balto-Slavic
22.6 Germanic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.6 East_Med
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
I see East Med for the first time. I know that previous versions of the calculator provided very good results at 0 ADC, but perhaps in this case, 0.5 would be better? What do you think?
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.8647% / 0.01864744 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.2 Balto-Slavic
27.6 Germanic
7.2 Volga_Basin
gixajo
07-26-2023, 11:25 AM
Just for fun, because I am not fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans.
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2672% / 0.03267173
72.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
27.2 Old_Balkan
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.6595% / 0.03659499
56.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
43.8 Old_Balkan
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.2068% / 0.03206751
86.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
14.0 Old_Balkan
Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.7342% / 0.03734245
76.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
23.4 Old_Balkan
Beowulf
07-26-2023, 11:27 AM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0184% / 0.01837871
61.1 Keltic_Central_Euro
21.8 Old_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
7.4 East_Med
0.1 Turkic_Steppe
majevica
07-26-2023, 11:32 AM
Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 2.5134% / 0.02513364
45.6 Balto-Slavic
27.2 Old_Balkan
20.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.6 East_Med
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 11:34 AM
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.7059% / 0.01705878
69.8 Balto-Slavic
22.6 Germanic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.6 East_Med
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
I see East Med for the first time. I know that previous versions of the calculator provided very good results at 0 ADC, but perhaps in this case, 0.5 would be better? What do you think?
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.8647% / 0.01864744 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.2 Balto-Slavic
27.6 Germanic
7.2 Volga_Basin
Target: Katarzyna(real)
Distance: 1.3243% / 0.01324328 | ADC: 0.5x RC
83.8 Balto-Slavic
16.2 Germanic
gixajo
07-26-2023, 11:37 AM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0184% / 0.01837871
Ey, you seem to be fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans...:eek:
lockdownboredom
07-26-2023, 11:45 AM
Target: LB_scaled
Distance: 3.1471% / 0.03147067
56.8 Old_Balkan
19.6 Balto-Slavic
12.4 East_Med
11.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Nephew
Distance: 2.2499% / 0.02249899
73.0 Old_Balkan
14.0 Balto-Slavic
13.0 East_Med
Beowulf
07-26-2023, 11:46 AM
Ey, you seem to be fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans...:eek:
I'm using a different Vahaduo wich gives different distances :)
http://promotopic.com/calculator/vahd.html
gixajo
07-26-2023, 11:53 AM
I'm using a different Vahaduo wich gives different distances :)
http://promotopic.com/calculator/vahd.html
It´s the same result, and I know that some distances are just 1/100 of the traditional vahaduo distances.
You get a distance of 1.8 that it´s a quite good distance.
But well, maybe it´s related with you having real British ancestry.
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2672% / 0.03267173
72.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
27.2 Old_Balkan
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 0.0327% / 0.03267173
72.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
27.2 Old_Balkan
Abriekman
07-26-2023, 11:57 AM
Target: Abriekman_scaled
Distance: 2.2696% / 0.02269629
65.2 Balto-Slavic
14.0 East_Med
11.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
7.2 Volga_Basin
2.2 Old_Balkan
Target: Abriekman_scaled
Distance: 2.6005% / 0.02600544 | ADC: 0.5x
77.8 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
10.4 East_Med
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.7059% / 0.01705878
69.8 Balto-Slavic
22.6 Germanic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.6 East_Med
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
I see East Med for the first time. I know that previous versions of the calculator provided very good results at 0 ADC, but perhaps in this case, 0.5 would be better? What do you think?
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.8647% / 0.01864744 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.2 Balto-Slavic
27.6 Germanic
7.2 Volga_Basin
Nah, it is intended for 0 ADC. O.5x artifically deletes minor results.
Please use the calculator at 0 ADC. Rest shouldn't be used whatsoever.
Impaler
07-26-2023, 12:05 PM
Stronk Keltic and Germanic:
Target: Impaler
Distance: 2.2327% / 0.02232734
40.8 East_Med
24.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
20.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Turkic_Steppe
5.6 Germanic
0.6 Old_Balkan
MandM
07-26-2023, 12:21 PM
Target: Wify
Distance: 2.3236% / 0.02323589
53.6 Balto-Slavic
22.8 Old_Balkan
16.8 East_Med
6.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Milenko
Distance: 2.4437% / 0.02443717
48.8 Old_Balkan
35.1 Balto-Slavic
11.3 East_Med
4.0 Germanic
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
East med!, is it the Greeks Islands or the Anatolia/Arabs East of the mediterranean?
Just for fun i took 2-way
Distance to: Wify
0.02725126 46.60% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 53.40% Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.02960318 66.00% Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001 + 34.00% East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.03311737 50.40% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 49.60% Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.03441899 65.40% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 34.60% East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.03612185 47.60% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 52.40% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
Distance to: Milenko
0.02778620 62.60% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 37.40% Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.02840890 62.00% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 38.00% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.02913403 64.80% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 35.20% Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.03141196 64.40% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 35.60% Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.03419541 75.00% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 25.00% Volga_Basin
Gergő Marosvári
07-26-2023, 12:28 PM
Target: Gergő
Distance: 1.1786% / 0.01178608
54.4 Balto-Slavic
21.2 East_Med
15.6 Germanic
3.2 Turkic_Steppe
2.8 Volga_Basin
2.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 1.4593% / 0.01459326
43.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
28.8 Germanic
15.0 Balto-Slavic
9.6 East_Med
2.8 Old_Balkan
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Vitez
07-26-2023, 12:48 PM
I replaced the East Med sample with another one and it gives me a better distance (not sure if it's a better fitted one).
Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 1.4341% / 0.01434136
50.8 Balto-Slavic
19.8 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
19.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
5.0 Old_Balkan
4.6 Volga_Basin
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.0195 Vitez_scaled = 71% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 29% Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
alexmegas777
07-26-2023, 12:51 PM
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 2.6505% / 0.02650545
31.8 Old_Balkan
28.0 Balto-Slavic
16.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
16.2 East_Med
7.0 Germanic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe
Dušan
07-26-2023, 12:56 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2906% / 0.02290575
48.8 Balto-Slavic
44.0 Old_Balkan
3.2 Volga_Basin
3.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Tatar-Turan stronk :lightbul:
Roman_Serbia instead ALB_MA
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9582% / 0.01958250
49.8 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
47.4 Balto-Slavic
1.8 Volga_Basin
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Better distance below 2, and less Volga_Basin.
Nausevar
07-26-2023, 01:18 PM
Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 2.1693% / 0.02169334
49.2 Old_Balkan
41.8 Balto-Slavic
4.4 East_Med
3.8 Germanic
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
Nausevar
07-26-2023, 01:44 PM
Adding the two "Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG" samples
Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 2.0690% / 0.02068956
50.4 Old_Balkan
43.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 East_Med
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
Daco Celtic
07-26-2023, 02:06 PM
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.3754% / 0.01375394
58.6 Germanic
33.2 Old_Balkan
3.4 Balto-Slavic
3.2 East_Med
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
Fit with other calculator: 0.0138% / 0.01375359
Far_away
07-26-2023, 02:51 PM
Distance: 2.0676% / 0.02067588
44.6 Balto-Slavic
34.6 Old_Balkan
15.2 East_Med
5.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Far_away
07-26-2023, 02:54 PM
Roman_Serbia instead ALB_MA
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9582% / 0.01958250
49.8 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
47.4 Balto-Slavic
1.8 Volga_Basin
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Better distance below 2, and less Volga_Basin.
i get bigger distance if i use samples from Serbia or Montenegro :p
Distance: 2.3456% / 0.02345635
43.2 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
21.6 East_Med
9.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Distance: 2.4541% / 0.02454135
44.2 Balto-Slavic
22.2 East_Med
20.2 MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine
13.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
retfala
07-26-2023, 03:05 PM
Target: retfala_scaled
Distance: 0.9065% / 0.00906541
49.8 Balto-Slavic
33.4 Old_Balkan
7.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
4.2 East_Med
4.0 Germanic
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
Gallop
07-26-2023, 03:30 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.8877% / 0.03887667
68.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.2 Old_Balkan
1.2 East_Med
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.9142% / 0.03914179
66.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
34.0 Old_Balkan
Eurafricanid
07-26-2023, 03:59 PM
JFF
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.5289% / 0.02528946
59.1 Keltic_Central_Euro
29.6 Old_Balkan
11.3 East_Med
Dušan
07-26-2023, 04:00 PM
i get bigger distance if i use samples from Serbia or Montenegro :p
Distance: 2.3456% / 0.02345635
43.2 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
21.6 East_Med
9.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Distance: 2.4541% / 0.02454135
44.2 Balto-Slavic
22.2 East_Med
20.2 MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine
13.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
I got even lower distance than 1.9 when I use both Roman Serbia and Montenegro :)
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.8805% / 0.01880466
49.0 Balto-Slavic
35.8 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
12.8 Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG
1.4 Turkic_Steppe
1.0 Volga_Basin
Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.1259 26,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0. 010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189,0.129758,0.127957,0.062225,0 .077843,0.035699,0.03012,0.015981,0.020307,0.00674 9,-0.039363,-0.007307,-0.017534,0.005649,0.031103,-0.010993,0.005304,0.01017,-0.006334,0.012444,0.005503,-0.001248,0.002968,-0.000616,-0.005663,0.000838
Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212,0.124067,0.135065,0.075424 ,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00 634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.14217 4,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.1 2862,0.149283,0.052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.1 2862,0.147252,0.056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.1 22929,0.148267,0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877, 0.003055,0.011999,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG ,0.119514,0.138112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001 ,0.069432,-0.189904,0.032809,0.007106,-0.044008,-0.004183,0.006815,0.01823,-0.011862,-0.010023,-0.021273,-0.002698,0.003271,-0.009358,0.007872,-0.003447,-0.012256,-0.003801,0.00176,0.002126,-0.012478,0.000371,0.005793,-0.005302,-0.010777
Volga_Basin,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG:R6693.SG,0.118376 ,0.149283,0.012822,-0.015504,0.022773,-0.004741,-0.000705,0.011076,0.012271,0.028429,-0.003735,0.017834,-0.020664,0.003991,-0.010586,-0.015513,0.002086,0.00228,0.01257,-0.005002,-0.006114,-0.000495,-0.002465,0.003253,-0.00491
Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG:R6701.SG,0.127482 ,0.149283,0.026776,-0.027132,0.033237,-0.011156,0.00658,0.001615,0.011249,0.032256,0.0040 6,-0.00045,-0.005203,0.001376,-0.011265,-0.014717,-0.008866,-0.003674,0.001634,-0.008629,-0.012728,-0.008037,0.001972,0.003494,-0.00479
Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG,0.1172 38,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 04:27 PM
In a couple of days my AncestryDNA results will arrive. I am so happy to get even more coordinates :))) and try the l calc again
Dušan
07-26-2023, 04:31 PM
In a couple of days my AncestryDNA results will arrive. I am so happy to get even more coordinates :))) and try the l calc again
Maybe you end up even more Germanic. ;)
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 04:34 PM
Maybe you end up even more Germanic. ;)
Unlikely. Probably will be 100% Slav then. Because AncestryDNA checks more SNP’s than MH which must be Slavic in my case. But I will let you know then. :)
Abriekman
07-26-2023, 04:46 PM
Unlikely. Probably will be 100% Slav then. Because AncestryDNA checks more SNP’s than MH which must be probably Slavic in my case. But I will let you know then. :)
Usually there is no much difference between two raw datas on G25
I have 23andme and AncestryDNA coordinates
Target: Abriekman_ancestryDNA_scaled
Distance: 2.3781% / 0.02378106 | R3P
76.0 Balto-Slavic
16.0 East_Med
8.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Abriekman_23andme_v5_scaled
Distance: 2.8273% / 0.02827295 | R3P
79.6 Balto-Slavic
16.8 East_Med
3.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
By the way, 23andme v5 data that I have is one of the worst raw datas but the results with it are usually very similiar to the results with AncestryDNA data
There can some differences in the components I score with both datas but by north/south it is almost identical
From what I've seen, worse raw datas are likely to hide or underestimate your minor ancestry
someonenotyou
07-26-2023, 04:47 PM
Target:
Distance: 1.4930% / 0.01493042
34.0 Balto-Slavic
29.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
18.2 East_Med
17.8 Germanic
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 04:54 PM
Usually there is no much difference between two raw datas on G25
I have 23andme and AncestryDNA coordinates
Target: Abriekman_ancestryDNA_scaled
Distance: 2.3781% / 0.02378106 | R3P
76.0 Balto-Slavic
16.0 East_Med
8.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Abriekman_23andme_v5_scaled
Distance: 2.8273% / 0.02827295 | R3P
79.6 Balto-Slavic
16.8 East_Med
3.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
By the way, 23andme v5 data that I have is one of the worst raw datas but the results with it are usually very similiar to the results with AncestryDNA data
There can some differences in the components I score with both datas but by north/south it is almost identical
From what I've seen, worse raw datas are likely to hide or underestimate your minor ancestry
Oh, I see. It’s really interesting to see the direct comparison, thank you. But I would also really like to see people who compare between MH and AncestryDNA as I heard that the difference between them is bigger than AncestryDNA to 23andme.
CordedWhelp
07-26-2023, 05:05 PM
Kinda relatively high Turkic for my mother. Maybe there’s a little fragment of Tatar hiding.
Target: CordedFather_scaled
Distance: 1.9184% / 0.01918429
49.4 Germanic
22.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
20.0 Balto-Slavic
4.0 Old_Balkan
3.8 East_Med
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 1.4180% / 0.01418039
49.6 Balto-Slavic
21.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
19.2 Germanic
7.0 East_Med
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
PlattitüdenPaule
07-26-2023, 05:22 PM
Target: Stahl
Distance: 1.5053% / 0.01505258
65.2 Germanic
18.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
15.2 Balto-Slavic
1.0 East_Med
Target: cass
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319773
56.6 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 East_Med
1.8 Old_Balkan
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
Catnip
07-26-2023, 05:52 PM
Target: Catnip
Distance: 0.8753% / 0.00875346
36.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
34.8 Germanic
25.4 Old_Balkan
3.2 East_Med
MandM
07-26-2023, 05:54 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319773
56.6 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 East_Med
1.8 Old_Balkan
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
How come there are Croats that score more Balto-Slavic then you who are Polish? or you are not maby "100" Polish? no offence just wondering how its possible
Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 2.4483% / 0.02448327
64.2 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
21.4 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
7.6 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
6.6 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.2 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.2608% / 0.03260783 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
Rome recovered against Keltic again
Distance to: Hulu_scaled
0.03260783 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.08652824 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.09579660 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.09644868 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.09725908 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.10397255 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.12728529 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.13189904 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.13241932 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.13249959 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.14560719 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.14634687 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.15000399 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.15419425 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.20293159 Volga_Basin
0.35426005 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Demirkazık
07-26-2023, 06:41 PM
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.2173% / 0.03217346
56.2 East_Med
25.8 Turkic_Steppe
11.2 Balto-Slavic
4.8 Old_Balkan
2.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.1766% / 0.02176550
61.8 Byzantine
23.2 Turkic_Steppe
9.2 Balto-Slavic
4.6 Volga_Basin
1.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Demirkazık_scaled (With individually picked Byzantine samples)
Distance: 2.0571% / 0.02057088
61.4 Byzantine
25.0 Turkic_Steppe
13.6 Balto-Slavic
Adding Byzantine samples would be better than East_Med sample I think.
Byzantine:Turkey_SoutheastByzantine,0.0974739,0.13 73735,-0.0553339,-0.0671546,-0.0227733,-0.0191675,-0.0010468,-0.005748,-0.016864,0.0009609,0.0040596,-4.1e-05,-0.000419,0.0015514,-0.0062185,0.0041947,0.0041724,0.0004838,0.0026625,-0.0026605,0.0005445,0.0037434,0.002017,-0.0001314,-0.002384
Byzantine:Turkey_Byzantine,0.1023143,0.1475902,-0.0302536,-0.0595397,0.0003078,-0.0208239,-0.0007311,-0.0042819,-0.0064313,0.0158747,0.0028868,0.0025642,-0.0044102,0.0018657,-0.0118679,0.0026224,0.011836,-0.0010557,0.0040643,0.0017787,-0.0035908,0.0015389,-0.0008763,0.0013521,-0.0036989
Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.3921% / 0.01392135
54.8 Balto-Slavic
24.6 Old_Balkan
12.8 East_Med
7.6 Germanic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.2973% / 0.01297337
56.4 Balto-Slavic
20.8 Byzantine
15.4 Old_Balkan
7.4 Germanic
Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.2103% / 0.01210274
41.6 Balto-Slavic
38.4 Old_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
9.0 East_Med
0.8 Volga_Basin
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.1395% / 0.01139535
42.2 Balto-Slavic
32.2 Old_Balkan
14.6 Byzantine
9.4 Germanic
1.2 Volga_Basin
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
cakmir7y
07-26-2023, 06:47 PM
Target: cakmir7y_scaled
Distance: 1.7917% / 0.01791741
57.4 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 East_Med
2.0 Volga_Basin
1.4 Germanic
Target: cakmir7y_scaled
Distance: 1.7917% / 0.01791741
57.4 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 East_Med
2.0 Volga_Basin
1.4 Germanic
Thats extremely low Germanic :O
rothaer
07-26-2023, 09:54 PM
Seems legit:
Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.3100% / 0.01309994
40.6 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Germanic
21.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.4 Volga_Basin
2.0 East_Med
Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 1.2711% / 0.01271112
67.6 Germanic
32.2 Balto-Slavic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 10:00 PM
How come there are Croats that score more Balto-Slavic then you who are Polish? or you are not maby "100" Polish? no offence just wondering how its possible
He is a Kashubian Pole. They are an ethnic minority in Poland who mixed with Germans during Prussian empire and therefore are more Germanic than the average Pole.
CordedWhelp
07-26-2023, 10:03 PM
Seems legit:
Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.3100% / 0.01309994
40.6 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Germanic
21.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.4 Volga_Basin
2.0 East_Med
Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 1.2711% / 0.01271112
67.6 Germanic
32.2 Balto-Slavic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe
Interesting the Volga and the Finnic tiny bit in your sig. I know it’s fitting and not about being perfectly literal, but why do you suppose you score those?
Kenshiro
07-26-2023, 10:58 PM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 0.0179% / 0.01791272
50.9 Old_Balkan
26.4 East_Med
11.5 Keltic_Central_Euro
7.6 Germanic
2.3 Turkic_Steppe
1.3 Balto-Slavic
How come there are Croats that score more Balto-Slavic then you who are Polish? or you are not maby "100" Polish? no offence just wondering how its possible
https://i.ibb.co/XF8ZfcD/0cas.jpg (https://ibb.co/kq1gVNJ)
I do not see a big discrepancy from the average of samples from wide Royal Prussia.
https://i.ibb.co/G5T8S3M/cass-0-05.png (https://ibb.co/Krwfvzs)
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 11:44 PM
https://i.ibb.co/XF8ZfcD/0cas.jpg (https://ibb.co/kq1gVNJ)
I do not see a big discrepancy from the average of samples from wide Royal Prussia.
https://i.ibb.co/G5T8S3M/cass-0-05.png (https://ibb.co/Krwfvzs)
I think he has probably seen a lot of Eastern Polish calculator results from TA members and therefore he is now confused why you score higher Germanic than them.
To Milenko, not only Kashubians but also other Western Poles who lived under Prussia have similar high Germanic results while Poles close to Lithuania/Belarus are very Slavic
ugochaves
07-26-2023, 11:45 PM
Interesting. Does anyone have a more slavic result?
Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324838
92.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Volga_Basin
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.4 Old_Balkan
Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 11:46 PM
Interesting. Does anyone have a more slavic result?
Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324838
92.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Volga_Basin
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.4 Old_Balkan
Oh, nice. We were just discussing that topic. Let me just check all my Polish samples (especially the ones from the East) if they have more. But I am sure there are some
Yes, I found in my samples for example the Polish user LM662072
Here are his results :
Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.1741% / 0.02174061
92.4 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Germanic
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 12:05 AM
Oh, nice. We were just discussing that topic. Let me just check all my Polish samples (especially the ones from the East) if they have more. But I am sure there are some
Yes, I found in my samples for example the Polish user LM662072
Here are his results :
Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.1741% / 0.02174061
92.4 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Germanic
My result is very modest.
Target: ugo_scaled
Distance: 1.5038% / 0.01503779
82.4 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Volga_Basin
2.0 Old_Balkan
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Moksha
Distance: 1.1289% / 0.01128939
53.8 Balto-Slavic
31.6 Volga_Basin
4.0 East_Med
3.8 Old_Balkan
3.4 Germanic
3.4 Turkic_Steppe
Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 12:09 AM
My result is very modest.
Target: ugo_scaled
Distance: 1.5038% / 0.01503779
82.4 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Volga_Basin
2.0 Old_Balkan
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Moksha
Distance: 1.1289% / 0.01128939
53.8 Balto-Slavic
31.6 Volga_Basin
4.0 East_Med
3.8 Old_Balkan
3.4 Germanic
3.4 Turkic_Steppe
I think both your wife and the user LM662072‘s results are somehow not complete, because look at their bad distance. Mine and your distance is much better and we are less Slavic than them. Something is missing them in their distance, I think they need some extra component.
I think he has probably seen a lot of Eastern Polish calculator results from TA members and therefore he is now confused why you score higher Germanic than them.
To Milenko, not only Kashubians but also other Western Poles who lived under Prussia have similar high Germanic results while Poles close to Lithuania/Belarus are very Slavic
Its worth quoting first passages of Gunther Grass "First there were the Rugiers, then came the Goths and Gepides, followed by the Kashubes, from whom Oskar descends directly. Soon after, the Poles sent Adalbert of Prague. He came with the cross and was slain with the axe by the Kashubes or the Prussian.
Kaspias
07-27-2023, 12:25 AM
Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 2.7016% / 0.02701645
38.6 East_Med
28.6 Balto-Slavic
21.2 Turkic_Steppe
11.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
If remove East_Med it gives a pretty solid result
Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 3.3083% / 0.03308324
51.0 Old_Balkan
24.6 Balto-Slavic
24.4 Turkic_Steppe
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 12:33 AM
user LM662072‘s results
I think he is Balt. Try this for him
Baltic_LTU_BA,0.129189,0.1284645,0.091075,0.093993 ,0.040469,0.036395,0.0072855,0.011076,-0.0031705,-0.0483835,-0.0021925,-0.017834,0.0152375,0.026905,-0.009636,-0.00358,-0.008801,0.0025975,-0.004902,0.0006875,-0.0034315,0.0012365,0.000493,-0.0144595,0.0091605
Before
Target: Latvian
Distance: 3.1061% / 0.03106115
90.2 Balto-Slavic
9.8 Volga_Basin
After
Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.9265% / 0.01926547
56.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
40.0 Balto-Slavic
3.4 Volga_Basin
Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 12:47 AM
I think he is Balt. Try this for him
Before
Target: Latvian
Distance: 3.1061% / 0.03106115
90.2 Balto-Slavic
9.8 Volga_Basin
After
Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.9265% / 0.01926547
56.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
40.0 Balto-Slavic
3.4 Volga_Basin
Oh yeah, seems like he is. It slightly improved his distance
https://i.ibb.co/M7qrsHb/IMG-2645.jpg (https://ibb.co/m4QkGKm)
pic 56 (https://imgbb.com/)
Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.0247% / 0.02024717
37.6 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
28.4 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
22.8 Balto-Slavic:Baltic_LTU_BA
8.4 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
2.8 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
But I still wonder about your wife … hmm
Danjojo
07-27-2023, 01:00 AM
Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 0.8142% / 0.00814153
38.6 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
24.8 Germanic
8.8 Old_Balkan
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 01:02 AM
Oh yeah, seems like he is. It slightly improved his distance
https://i.ibb.co/M7qrsHb/IMG-2645.jpg (https://ibb.co/m4QkGKm)
pic 56 (https://imgbb.com/)
Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.0247% / 0.02024717
37.6 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
28.4 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
22.8 Balto-Slavic:Baltic_LTU_BA
8.4 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
2.8 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
But I still wonder about your wife … hmm
Why is it different for me?
https://i.ibb.co/F4FR2cy/ugo.jpg (https://ibb.co/VYsfRbz)
Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 01:04 AM
Why is it different for me?
https://i.ibb.co/F4FR2cy/ugo.jpg (https://ibb.co/VYsfRbz)
I put us on ADC 0.5 to speed up the results
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 01:18 AM
I put us on ADC 0.5 to speed up the results
A good calculator for Eastern Slavs.
https://i.ibb.co/WsQxH4d/767.jpg (https://ibb.co/QXZbJ3q)
Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 01:31 AM
A good calculator for Eastern Slavs.
https://i.ibb.co/WsQxH4d/767.jpg (https://ibb.co/QXZbJ3q)
Also good for western Slavs as we are almost the same just more Germanic :)
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 01:34 AM
Also good for western Slavs as we are almost the same just more Germanic :)
Northern Russians
Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 1.7558% / 0.01755834
66.0 Volga_Basin
18.6 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
6.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.8412% / 0.01841153
59.0 Volga_Basin
22.4 Balto-Slavic
12.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
5.0 Germanic
1.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 1.2503% / 0.01250301
82.8 Volga_Basin
11.4 Germanic
4.6 Balto-Slavic
1.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 1.3561% / 0.01356138
44.2 Volga_Basin
39.8 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.8 Baltic_LTU_BA
Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.2643% / 0.01264334
39.6 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Volga_Basin
10.0 Germanic
7.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
3.8 Old_Balkan
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
noricum
07-27-2023, 05:17 AM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.7082% / 0.01708225
41.8 Balto-Slavic
30.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
14.8 Old_Balkan
13.0 Germanic
Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.04874656 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.05066426 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05257082 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05274016 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.05580246 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05732512 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.05766377 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.05817730 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.06065978 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.06301428 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.06705989 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07097659 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.10701450 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14309388 Volga_Basin
0.17248754 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.35122619 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 09:58 AM
Northern Russians
Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 1.7558% / 0.01755834
66.0 Volga_Basin
18.6 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
6.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.8412% / 0.01841153
59.0 Volga_Basin
22.4 Balto-Slavic
12.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
5.0 Germanic
1.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 1.2503% / 0.01250301
82.8 Volga_Basin
11.4 Germanic
4.6 Balto-Slavic
1.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 1.3561% / 0.01356138
44.2 Volga_Basin
39.8 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.8 Baltic_LTU_BA
Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.2643% / 0.01264334
39.6 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Volga_Basin
10.0 Germanic
7.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
3.8 Old_Balkan
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
Oh. That’s more than I expected but we are still slightly more
https://i.ibb.co/524yg6X/IMG-2647.jpg (https://ibb.co/g69pL3b)
Abriekman
07-27-2023, 10:25 AM
Northern Russians
Maybe Northern Russians are admixed with Finns that carry Germanic genes from Swedes?
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 10:30 AM
Oh. That’s more than I expected but we are still slightly more
Northern Russians have a high Scandinavian haplogroup i1 up to 16% in some northern areas. At the same time, this haplogroup is low among the surrounding Finno-Ugrians. I don't know why some northern Russian calculators determine German autosomes. G25 hides the Germans in the Finns and gives the lowest percentage. MDLP27 gives much higher. The main Russians are very far from the northern Russians. I and all the central Russian - Germans do not have at all. I do not understand why we are one people with northern Russians. How did it happen? Compare Russian Voronezh and Pomors. This is further than the British from the southern Russians, I guess. But still, there is a genetic bridge between northern and southern Russians. And one mentality and self-consciousness.
ugochaves
07-27-2023, 10:31 AM
Maybe Northern Russians are admixed with Finns that carry Germanic genes from Swedes?
The surrounding Finno-Ugric peoples do not have I1.
I will add: They have, but much less
Abriekman
07-27-2023, 10:35 AM
The surrounding Finno-Ugric peoples do not have I1.
I will add: They have, but much less
They have more. It's 25%+ in Finland.
https://i.imgur.com/dmJRZQX.png
rothaer
07-27-2023, 03:34 PM
Interesting the Volga and the Finnic tiny bit in your sig. I know it’s fitting and not about being perfectly literal, but why do you suppose you score those?
I actually do not see any historically corresponding real population to these results among my to be assumed far back ancestry.
Also, me getting 2.4% Volga basin - which btw. is the 12fold (!) amount of what I get Finnic in v2.4 - is not consistent with the results of my parents that together have just 1.0% of it:
Target: rothaer_father_scaled
Distance: 1.4407% / 0.01440667
48.4 Germanic
25.2 Balto-Slavic
17.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
7.6 East_Med
1.0 Volga_Basin
0.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: rothaer_mother_scaled
Distance: 1.6465% / 0.01646497
46.0 Balto-Slavic
32.6 Germanic
19.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.4 Old_Balkan
I think it can time by time be mathematically extracted so a model fits but there will be a number of almost equally fitting models. Here are 5 children with rothaer_wife1(untested):
Target: rothaer_child1_scaled
Distance: 2.1434% / 0.02143376
42.2 Balto-Slavic
36.6 Germanic
17.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 Volga_Basin
1.6 East_Med
Target: rothaer_child2_scaled
Distance: 1.8161% / 0.01816087
38.6 Balto-Slavic
31.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
28.0 Germanic
1.8 East_Med
Target: rothaer_child3_scaled
Distance: 2.0472% / 0.02047185
36.4 Germanic
33.0 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.0 Volga_Basin
Target: rothaer_child4_scaled
Distance: 1.4658% / 0.01465751
35.4 Balto-Slavic
32.8 Germanic
26.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 Volga_Basin
Target: rothaer_child5_scaled
Distance: 1.7073% / 0.01707302
35.4 Balto-Slavic
35.2 Germanic
24.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.6 Volga_Basin
2.0 East_Med
I think this component is not fitting for Central Europeans and it should be removed (or replaced with something resembling that Central Europeans do not score).
rothaer
07-27-2023, 03:44 PM
[LM662072] I think he is Balt. Try this for him
Before
Target: Latvian
Distance: 3.1061% / 0.03106115
90.2 Balto-Slavic
9.8 Volga_Basin
After
Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.9265% / 0.01926547
56.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
40.0 Balto-Slavic
3.4 Volga_Basin
I know who it is. It's a pure Pole from Central Poland.
rothaer
07-27-2023, 03:52 PM
Northern Russians
Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 1.7558% / 0.01755834
66.0 Volga_Basin
18.6 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
6.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.8412% / 0.01841153
59.0 Volga_Basin
22.4 Balto-Slavic
12.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
5.0 Germanic
1.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 1.2503% / 0.01250301
82.8 Volga_Basin
11.4 Germanic
4.6 Balto-Slavic
1.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 1.3561% / 0.01356138
44.2 Volga_Basin
39.8 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.8 Baltic_LTU_BA
Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.2643% / 0.01264334
39.6 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Volga_Basin
10.0 Germanic
7.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
3.8 Old_Balkan
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
I wonder whether Germanic is just mathematically triggered by high Volga Basin. Can you re-run without Volga Basin?
cakmir7y
07-27-2023, 05:28 PM
Thats extremely low Germanic :O
Yep, and complete opposite to my Illustrative DNA results: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374667-Czech-IllustrativeDNA-results
(https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374667-Czech-IllustrativeDNA-results)
calxpal
07-28-2023, 03:43 AM
Sorry I know It's not for me but I was tempted to try it.
Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 2.3656% / 0.02365558
41.6 Germanic
27.2 Balto-Slavic
15.6 East_Med
15.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 2.3656% / 0.02365558
27.2 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
23.6 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
15.6 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
15.2 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
13.4 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
4.0 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.6 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.4 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Nurzat
07-28-2023, 06:29 PM
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7017% / 0.01701676
47.2 Balto-Slavic
30.0 Old_Balkan
12.6 Germanic
7.0 East_Med
3.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7017% / 0.01701676
30.0 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
23.0 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
20.4 Balto-Slavic: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
12.6 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
7.0 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
3.8 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
3.2 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
ZeDude
07-28-2023, 06:48 PM
Target: ZeDude
Distance: 1.5809% / 0.01580932
38.4 Old_Balkan
38.2 Balto-Slavic
21.8 East_Med
1.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Mother
Distance: 2.3644% / 0.02364421
36.2 Old_Balkan
28.4 Balto-Slavic
17.6 East_Med
14.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.6 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Voskos
07-28-2023, 11:58 PM
Target:
Distance: 2.7045% / 0.02704477
57.4 East_Med
24.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
18.0 Old_Balkan
celticdragongod
07-29-2023, 12:02 AM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02017530 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.02758888 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.03573685 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03631814 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.04768714 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.04955325 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05171676 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.05640321 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.07495711 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.07996799 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.08741373 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.08825661 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.12402403 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14544685 Volga_Basin
0.18375181 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.34915125 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5059% / 0.01505868
76.2 Germanic
20.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.8 Balto-Slavic
0.4 Old_Balkan
ugochaves
07-29-2023, 12:19 AM
They have more. It's 25%+ in Finland.
https://i.imgur.com/dmJRZQX.pngFinns do not surround the northern Russians, only Komi and Veps.
Y-chromosomal haplogroups predominate in Veps. N1a1 (38.5%) and R1a (35.9%). Y-chromosomal haplogroups N (xN3)-M231 (17.9%), I-M170 (5.1%) and R1b-M173/M269 (2.9%) are less common.
Among the Komi
Haplogroup Percentage
N 51%
R1a 29%
R1b 11%
E1b1b 5%
I1 2%
I2 2%
Abriekman
07-29-2023, 09:55 AM
Finns do not surround the northern Russians, only Komi and Veps.
In my message I was referring to Finns and not other Finno-Ugric ethnicities in Russia. Read it again.
ugochaves
07-29-2023, 10:05 AM
In my message I was referring to Finns and not other Finno-Ugric ethnicities in Russia. Read it again.
I understand you well. What do Finns have to do with Russians? We didn't mix with them.
DomitiusAurelian
07-29-2023, 02:35 PM
Target: NoNameNoPain
Distance: 3.1707% / 0.03170706
69.4 East_Med
19.0 Turkic_Steppe
9.6 Old_Balkan
2.0 Balto-Slavic
Katarzyna
08-11-2023, 11:58 PM
Target: Katarzyna_MH
Distance: 1.1968% / 0.01196780
82.6 Balto-Slavic
12.0 Germanic
3.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
0.6 Old_Balkan
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA
Distance: 1.3857% / 0.01385656
70.0 Balto-Slavic
14.8 Germanic
12.4 Volga_Basin
2.8 East_Med
oszkar07
08-12-2023, 11:19 AM
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2719% / 0.02271939
33.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
29.2 Germanic
23.8 Balto-Slavic
10.2 Old_Balkan
2.2 Volga_Basin
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Katarzyna
08-12-2023, 12:50 PM
Oops double post.
Therefore deleted
Oops double post.
Therefore deleted
Hi Katarzyna,
I'm curious, did you score any Germanic Europe, Sweden and Denmark on AncestryDNA?
Katarzyna
08-18-2023, 01:42 PM
Ok here we are with official ancestry coords
Target: Katarzyna_Ancestry(Official)
Distance: 1.1688% / 0.01168763
77.8 Balto-Slavic
16.8 Germanic
4.0 Volga_Basin
1.2 Old_Balkan
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
Julkka
08-19-2023, 05:40 PM
Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 3.7043% / 0.03704271
50.0 Volga_Basin
30.2 Germanic
19.8 Balto-Slavic
Erronkari
08-19-2023, 05:46 PM
Target: F_Lopes_scaled
Distance: 4.6488% / 0.04648796
75.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
12.8 Old_Balkan
8.2 East_Med
3.6 Turkic_Steppe
Distance to: F_Lopes_scaled
0.05720428 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05841136 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05919895 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.07612793 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.08606983 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.08835140 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.09410621 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.09511194 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.09689006 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.12823844 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.13150091 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.14245348 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.14503931 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.14606733 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.18438528 Volga_Basin
0.34356922 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Xavier727
08-19-2023, 06:16 PM
Target:
Distance: 2.1354% / 0.02565409
55.0 Germanic
31.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
10.2 Balto-Slavic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
1.2 East_Med
Far_away
09-21-2023, 03:57 AM
Trying Chebyshev
Chebyshev distance: 0.9529% / 0.00952928
33.8 Balto-Slavic
24.6 Old_Balkan
22.4 East_Med
14.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 Germanic
normal
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02067574
44.5 Balto-Slavic
34.7 Old_Balkan
15.1 East_Med
5.7 Keltic_Central_Euro
true_southron try this calc
yngviktor
09-21-2023, 10:20 AM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.1226% / 0.01122607
51.6 Balto-Slavic
39.0 Old_Balkan
5.4 East_Med
3.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
DomitiusAurelian
09-21-2023, 12:13 PM
Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 1.7717% / 0.01771673 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.2 Anatolian
16.2 Turkic_Steppe
13.6 Volga_Basin
5.0 East_Med
true_southron
09-21-2023, 12:44 PM
Trying Chebyshev
Chebyshev distance: 0.9529% / 0.00952928
33.8 Balto-Slavic
24.6 Old_Balkan
22.4 East_Med
14.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 Germanic
normal
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02067574
44.5 Balto-Slavic
34.7 Old_Balkan
15.1 East_Med
5.7 Keltic_Central_Euro
true_southron try this calc
Target: true_southron_scaled
Distance: 1.2696% / 0.01269606
51.2 Old_Balkan
22.0 Balto-Slavic
14.2 East_Med
12.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Turkic_Steppe
Distance to: true_southron_scaled
0.04225228 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.06796163 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.06893590 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.07329673 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.07437266 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.09706172 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.10069469 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.10073337 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.10141832 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.10822649 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.11379406 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.11626152 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.11828771 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.12337442 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.18018199 Volga_Basin
0.34903082 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Ahmet
09-21-2023, 04:20 PM
Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 4.9569% / 0.04956861
79.4 East_Med
12.8 Turkic_Steppe
7.2 Balto-Slavic
0.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
With Anatolia;
Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 3.3226% / 0.03322608
71.6 Anatolian
13.4 Turkic_Steppe
11.0 Balto-Slavic
4.0 Volga_Basin
With Anatolia and Caucasian;
Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 2.2703% / 0.02270286
44.8 Anatolian
33.6 Caucasian
12.0 Turkic_Steppe
8.6 Balto-Slavic
1.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
Nurzat
09-21-2023, 11:41 PM
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7017% / 0.01701676
47.2 Balto-Slavic
30.0 Old_Balkan
12.6 Germanic
7.0 East_Med
3.2 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Nurzat_mom_phased_sim
Distance: 1.6124% / 0.01612416
47.8 Balto-Slavic
32.6 Old_Balkan
14.2 Germanic
5.4 East_Med
Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.8209% / 0.01820940
60.4 Balto-Slavic
21.6 Old_Balkan
7.0 East_Med
6.6 Germanic
4.4 Turkic_Steppe
oddly similar to my mom's simulated G25 (simulated from my phased raw data, i.e. the half of my genome that is inherited from her, since I now have dad's genome, so I was able to phase my mom's; looks like the excess Germanic is from her side, unexpectedly)
gixajo
10-10-2023, 11:40 PM
Why you hate so much Irish til you make them being Germanic and not "Keltics" :confused:
https://i.postimg.cc/4ymTY4kM/Keltic-brit.png (https://postimages.org/)
Vessna
10-11-2023, 06:18 AM
Bruh...;)
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0883% / 0.02088300
89.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Volga_Basin
2.4 East_Med
bained
10-11-2023, 09:39 AM
Target: BaiNed_simulatedk36
Distance: 1.1129% / 0.01112861
35.4 Old_Balkan
26.2 Balto-Slavic
19.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
15.2 East_Med
4.2 Germanic
Target: BaiNed_simulatedk36
Distance: 1.6153% / 0.01615285 | R3P
61.0 Old_Balkan
24.0 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Germanic
Katarzyna
10-11-2023, 09:45 AM
Now without ADC
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 1.1688% / 0.01168763
77.8 Balto-Slavic
16.8 Germanic
4.0 Volga_Basin
1.2 Old_Balkan
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
The_Strategist
11-09-2023, 03:58 PM
Target: Yan_scaled
Distance: 2.5245% / 0.02524493
55.0 Balto-Slavic
32.6 Old_Balkan
9.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 Germanic
0.6 East_Med
Vitez
11-09-2023, 04:35 PM
Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 1.4341% / 0.01434136
50.8 Balto-Slavic
19.8 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
19.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
5.0 Old_Balkan
4.6 Volga_Basin
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.0195 Vitez_scaled = 71% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 29% Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
With my other coords, it's similar :
Target: Vitez_newg25
Distance: 0.0092% / 0.00916936
49.8 Balto-Slavic
15.1 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
12.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
11.5 Old_Balkan
8.2 Germanic
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.8 Volga_Basin
Gallop
11-09-2023, 06:27 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.8877% / 0.03887667
68.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.2 Old_Balkan
1.2 East_Med
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.9142% / 0.03914179
66.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
34.0 Old_Balkan
Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 4.0309% / 0.04030939
62.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
36.6 Old_Balkan
1.0 East_Med
Polak
11-10-2023, 05:20 PM
Target: Polak_scaled
Distance: 3.5394% / 0.03539419
85.8 Balto-Slavic
14.2 Germanic
Bad distance.
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 09:12 AM
Bruh...;)
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0883% / 0.02088300
89.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Volga_Basin
2.4 East_Med
Wow, an essentialy pure Balto-Slav! You are like our ancestors that came here before they mixed with Balkanites :D
I see you get some Volga_Basin, but this component has some shared Balto-Slavic drift with early Slavic samples.
Petalpusher
11-28-2023, 09:27 AM
Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.6651% / 0.02665099
78.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
21.4 Germanic
Distance to: Petalpusher
0.02911708 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.03108777 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.04269015 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.04733414 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05307304 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.05624554 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05773671 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.05829161 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.08930412 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.09104489 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.10055282 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.10339635 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.10572694 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.17404554 Volga_Basin
0.17506938 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.37469279 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 09:49 AM
Why you hate so much Irish til you make them being Germanic and not "Keltics" :confused:
Because Irish don't have that much of continental Celtic ancestry. Insular Celts are genetically much closer to Germanics than to central Euro Celts. I tought this was common knowledge. Also one of reasons I stated calculator is designed for central/eastern/Balkan Euros.
yngviktor
11-28-2023, 02:45 PM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.1226% / 0.01122607
51.6 Balto-Slavic
39.0 Old_Balkan
5.4 East_Med
3.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:48 PM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.1226% / 0.01122607
51.6 Balto-Slavic
39.0 Old_Balkan
5.4 East_Med
3.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Turkic_Steppe
are you Bosniak?
yngviktor
11-28-2023, 02:53 PM
Yes, why?
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:54 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.7082% / 0.01708225
41.8 Balto-Slavic
30.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
14.8 Old_Balkan
13.0 Germanic
Really good breakdown for you. I think it's realistic.
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:57 PM
Interesting. Does anyone have a more slavic result?
Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324838
92.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Volga_Basin
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.4 Old_Balkan
No. She is even slightly more so Balto-Slavic than Vessna! Where in Russia is she from?
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:58 PM
Yes, why?
Looks like a Bosniak result. Nice.
yngviktor
11-28-2023, 02:59 PM
Thank u
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 03:09 PM
3 southern Croat islanders from Dalmatia (Zlarin is my island, Žirje is another one more further in the open sea). It's interesting they score decent Keltic;
Target: Zlarin1_scaled
Distance: 2.3431% / 0.02343146
59.6 Balto-Slavic
33.8 Old_Balkan
6.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Target: Zlarin2_scaled
Distance: 2.2932% / 0.02293229
43.0 Balto-Slavic
24.0 Old_Balkan
19.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
9.6 Germanic
2.2 East_Med
1.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: Žirje_scaled
Distance: 2.1632% / 0.02163223
47.8 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Old_Balkan
13.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.8 East_Med
2.0 Germanic
It might be Venetic like input in north Illyrians tho, who seemed to have mixed with Celtic like people a lot.
Dantevici
11-28-2023, 03:19 PM
Target: me_scaled
Distance: 3.4007% / 0.03400686
62.6 East_Med
17.8 Turkic_Steppe
15.2 Germanic
4.4 Balto-Slavic
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 04:26 PM
Kajkavian-speaking Croats results, a very central European population.Their Slavic isn't that high, but Balkan input is below 20% and Germanic is significant.
https://i.imgur.com/InAcFQI.png
rothaer
11-28-2023, 04:30 PM
Kajkavian-speaking Croats results, a very central European population.Their Slavic isn't that high, but Balkan input is below 20% and Germanic is significant.
https://i.imgur.com/InAcFQI.png
Until further notice I assume them Blatnogradians. :p
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 04:35 PM
Until further notice I assume them Blatnogradians. :p
can he pass for Blatnogradian? :p (a friend and one of testees above)
...
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 04:55 PM
high superwog and Turan for Stearsie :angel:
Target: Hungarian:Stears(˝Transdanubia˝Transsylvania)
Distance: 1.0523% / 0.01052340
45.4 Balto-Slavic
22.2 Germanic
16.4 East_Med
6.8 Old_Balkan
4.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
4.4 Turkic_Steppe
rothaer
11-28-2023, 05:15 PM
can he pass for Blatnogradian? :p (a friend and one of testees above)
https://i.imgur.com/ll8q0Sv.jpg
Yep, role model Mosapurc (Moosburg) = Blatnograd = Zalavár, Pannonische Mark vassal. :p
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 05:19 PM
Yep, role model Mosapurc (Moosburg) = Blatnograd = Zalavár, Pannonische Mark vassal. :p
lol!
Grace O'Malley
11-28-2023, 05:39 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7944% / 0.01794447
87.4 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02210556 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.02532111 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.02921379 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03892814 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05028639 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05317734 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05466960 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05949771 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.07850163 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07918555 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.08757631 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.09123306 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.13130470 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14538615 Volga_Basin
0.18622548 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.35142512 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
Vessna
11-28-2023, 05:52 PM
Wow, an essentialy pure Balto-Slav! You are like our ancestors that came here before they mixed with Balkanites :D
I see you get some Volga_Basin, but this component has some shared Balto-Slavic drift with early Slavic samples.
I blame the Volga admixture on my fully Russian grandfather ))
Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:13 PM
Target: Vessna_husband_scaled
Distance: 2.4456% / 0.02445601
63.6 Balto-Slavic
33.0 Volga_Basin
1.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:25 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7944% / 0.01794447
87.4 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02210556 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.02532111 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.02921379 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03892814 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05028639 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05317734 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05466960 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05949771 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.07850163 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07918555 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.08757631 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.09123306 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.13130470 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14538615 Volga_Basin
0.18622548 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.35142512 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001
try by adding this:
Scotland_IA,0.129758,0.140143,0.065619,0.059755,0. 036314,0.02259,0.00047,0.011999,0.004704,0.004738,-0.006983,0.010191,-0.016799,-0.012524,0.02728,-0.00305,-0.026207,-0.003167,-0.001257,0.006878,0.010606,0.002597,0.002095,0.000 723,0.011735
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:25 PM
Target: Vessna_husband_scaled
Distance: 2.4456% / 0.02445601
63.6 Balto-Slavic
33.0 Volga_Basin
1.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
Northern Russian?
Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:26 PM
Northern Russian?
Yes
Grace O'Malley
11-28-2023, 06:37 PM
try by adding this:
Scotland_IA,0.129758,0.140143,0.065619,0.059755,0. 036314,0.02259,0.00047,0.011999,0.004704,0.004738,-0.006983,0.010191,-0.016799,-0.012524,0.02728,-0.00305,-0.026207,-0.003167,-0.001257,0.006878,0.010606,0.002597,0.002095,0.000 723,0.011735
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7084% / 0.01708410
72.6 Germanic
16.8 Scotland_IA
10.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 East_Med
Bruh...;)
Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0883% / 0.02088300
89.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Volga_Basin
2.4 East_Med
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:40 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7084% / 0.01708410
72.6 Germanic
16.8 Scotland_IA
10.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 East_Med
!!!
no wonder you cluster with Icelanders!
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:42 PM
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.
Difference is few percent...they likely cluster together hehe.
#Oda#
11-28-2023, 06:46 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697251
61.6 Germanic
23.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
13.0 Balto-Slavic
2.0 East_Med
Keltic higher than Grace O'Malley's :confused:
Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:46 PM
Difference is few percent...they likely cluster together hehe.
Nope, I cluster close to Lithuanians ;) his wife clusters with Russians
Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:48 PM
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.
my husband is more mongol than you ;)
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:49 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697251
61.6 Germanic
23.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
13.0 Balto-Slavic
2.0 East_Med
Keltic higher than Grace O'Malley's :confused:
Irish are not really Celtic genetically in sense of having lot of Hallstatt - La Tene like input. Actually, it's Germanic English who have more of continental Celtic ancestry (France Iron Age) than the Irish xD. Irish are kind of celticised Bell Beakers (NW Euro bronze age stock) with Germanic input.
Grace tho is more Germanic than average Irish, I believe. This model isn't suited for her but anyhow.
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:50 PM
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.
here is Polish member Lucas from central Poland:
Distance: 0.0217% / 0.02174054
92.5 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.3 Germanic
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:52 PM
Nope, I cluster close to Lithuanians ;) his wife clusters with Russians
I see. Here are results from forum member Russki who clusters close to Belarussians in oracles. He's from Nizhnyi Novgorod. I am not sure how typical is such genetics there. He's pretty Baltic/western shifted.
Target: Russian:Russki(Russian)
Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01543228
88.9 Balto-Slavic
6.3 Volga_Basin
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:54 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697251
61.6 Germanic
23.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
13.0 Balto-Slavic
2.0 East_Med
Also it's interesting you score some Balto-Slavic for a NW German.
hazmatnik
11-28-2023, 06:59 PM
Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 2.8285% / 0.02828478
53.8 Old_Balkan
40.2 Balto-Slavic
5.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.8 Turkic_Steppe
#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:18 PM
Also it's interesting you score some Balto-Slavic for a NW German.
Yes. I have that in several calculators although I got 0% of any Eastern Europe component in my DNA-tests except of 0,3% from 23andme. Wondering about that.
Where is the topic about the voice? I can't find it. I want to answer Vita
Vessna
11-28-2023, 07:21 PM
I see. Here are results from forum member Russki who clusters close to Belarussians in oracles. He's from Nizhnyi Novgorod. I am not sure how typical is such genetics there. He's pretty Baltic/western shifted.
Target: Russian:Russki(Russian)
Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01543228
88.9 Balto-Slavic
6.3 Volga_Basin
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
Russki is closest to me genetically out of all people on the forum.
#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:23 PM
Where is the topic about the voice? I can't find it. I want to answer Vita
accent
Irish are not really Celtic genetically in sense of having lot of Hallstatt - La Tene like input. Actually, it's Germanic English who have more of continental Celtic ancestry (France Iron Age) than the Irish xD. Irish are kind of celticised Bell Beakers (NW Euro bronze age stock) with Germanic input.
Grace tho is more Germanic than average Irish, I believe. This model isn't suited for her but anyhow.
I got 43 something Celtic on this one, around 70 at ADC 0.5 but Im pretty sure Oda is genetically closer to Irish people than me:)
#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:28 PM
here is Polish member Lucas from central Poland:
Distance: 0.0217% / 0.02174054
92.5 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.3 Germanic
Lucasz Macuga? My father fascinatingly is related with him. He shares 8cM with Lukasz, his father and his daughter, double-phased, but I don't have that segment anymore.
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:35 PM
Lucasz Macuga? My father fascinatingly is related with him. He shares 8cM with Lukasz, his father and his daughter, double-phased, but I don't have that segment anymore.
Very interesting. Lucas is extremely Slavic individual genetically so it would make sense you have some Balto-Slavic input too. I don't exclude possibility Lucas has some minor German input, which wouldn't be strange for a Pole, but usually he's totally eastern european in tests, more than typical Poles.
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:37 PM
I got 43 something Celtic on this one, around 70 at ADC 0.5 but Im pretty sure Oda is genetically closer to Irish people than me:)
Agree. NW Germans are not that far from British Isles genetically, including the Irish. NW Euros are pretty homogenous genetically. And it's hard to separate Bell Beaker from Germanic input in amateur tools. They overlap a lot.
You have high actual Celtic due to southwest German ancestry :p
rothaer
11-28-2023, 07:43 PM
Also it's interesting you score some Balto-Slavic for a NW German.
#Oda# scores 7.2% (Balto-)Slavic at the 2.4 calculator which I consider more correct as you know. That amount also seems resonable. Why you do make a calculator where she scores 13.0% I'm not the suitable addressee to explain. :p
#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:47 PM
Very interesting. Lucas is extremely Slavic individual genetically so it would make sense you have some Balto-Slavic input too. I don't exclude possibility Lucas has some minor German input, which wouldn't be strange for a Pole, but usually he's totally eastern european in tests, more than typical Poles.
Yes, I knew that.
That must be the case. Maybe due to August dem Starken, but 8cM won't show in ethnicity calcs.
#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:49 PM
#Oda# scores 7.2% (Balto-)Slavic at the 2.4 calculator which I consider more correct as you know. That amount also seems resonable. Why you do make a calculator where she scores 13.0% I'm not the suitable addressee to explain. :p
I can't remember.
rothaer
11-28-2023, 07:51 PM
I can't remember.
v2.4:
(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.12862,0.147252,0 .056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.12862,0.149283,0 .052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.122929,0.148267, 0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877,0.003055,0.0119 99,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11716,0.129758,0.141159, 0.047517,0.011951,0.04647,0.007251,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.00859,0.023326,-0.003897,0.010491,-0.013974,0.001789,-0.000271,-0.004508,0.007693,0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,-0.001248,0.008903,0.000739,-0.00241,0.001916
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG,0.119514,0.138 112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR2B6.SG,0.118376,0.1 42174,0.04714,0.004199,0.042469,0.000279,-0.011751,0.010615,0.019225,0.01385,0.011367,0.0113 9,-0.005203,-0.004679,0.013029,0.016176,0.030379,0.007855,0.005 656,0.003627,0.004742,-0.006306,-0.002218,0.001084,-0.010538
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR3-15.SG,0.113823,0.148267,0.064111,0.019057,0.041238 ,-0.006693,0.00564,-0.001615,0.013703,0.019135,-0.007307,-0.001199,-0.014569,-0.013487,0.024158,-0.004508,-0.02047,-0.008235,-0.006913,0.010255,-0.003119,-0.003339,-0.017748,0.001687,-0.002036
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:52 PM
#Oda# scores 7.2% (Balto-)Slavic at the 2.4 calculator which I consider more correct as you know. That amount also seems resonable. Why you do make a calculator where she scores 13.0% I'm not the suitable addressee to explain. :p
2.4 calculator is not reliable as this one. Some Germanic samples used there are not purely Germanic. Balto-Slavic samples are all totally northeastern European, you are free to test them. I already did...
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:53 PM
v2.4:
(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.12862,0.147252,0 .056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.12862,0.149283,0 .052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.122929,0.148267, 0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877,0.003055,0.0119 99,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11716,0.129758,0.141159, 0.047517,0.011951,0.04647,0.007251,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.00859,0.023326,-0.003897,0.010491,-0.013974,0.001789,-0.000271,-0.004508,0.007693,0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,-0.001248,0.008903,0.000739,-0.00241,0.001916
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG,0.119514,0.138 112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR2B6.SG,0.118376,0.1 42174,0.04714,0.004199,0.042469,0.000279,-0.011751,0.010615,0.019225,0.01385,0.011367,0.0113 9,-0.005203,-0.004679,0.013029,0.016176,0.030379,0.007855,0.005 656,0.003627,0.004742,-0.006306,-0.002218,0.001084,-0.010538
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR3-15.SG,0.113823,0.148267,0.064111,0.019057,0.041238 ,-0.006693,0.00564,-0.001615,0.013703,0.019135,-0.007307,-0.001199,-0.014569,-0.013487,0.024158,-0.004508,-0.02047,-0.008235,-0.006913,0.010255,-0.003119,-0.003339,-0.017748,0.001687,-0.002036
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191
That calculator is wrong!
Dušan
11-28-2023, 07:56 PM
v2.4:
(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.12862,0.147252,0 .056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.12862,0.149283,0 .052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.122929,0.148267, 0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877,0.003055,0.0119 99,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11716,0.129758,0.141159, 0.047517,0.011951,0.04647,0.007251,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.00859,0.023326,-0.003897,0.010491,-0.013974,0.001789,-0.000271,-0.004508,0.007693,0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,-0.001248,0.008903,0.000739,-0.00241,0.001916
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG,0.119514,0.138 112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR2B6.SG,0.118376,0.1 42174,0.04714,0.004199,0.042469,0.000279,-0.011751,0.010615,0.019225,0.01385,0.011367,0.0113 9,-0.005203,-0.004679,0.013029,0.016176,0.030379,0.007855,0.005 656,0.003627,0.004742,-0.006306,-0.002218,0.001084,-0.010538
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR3-15.SG,0.113823,0.148267,0.064111,0.019057,0.041238 ,-0.006693,0.00564,-0.001615,0.013703,0.019135,-0.007307,-0.001199,-0.014569,-0.013487,0.024158,-0.004508,-0.02047,-0.008235,-0.006913,0.010255,-0.003119,-0.003339,-0.017748,0.001687,-0.002036
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191
This version
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0937% / 0.02093650
52.2 (Balto-)Slavic: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
45.0 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
2.2 Finnic-like:Udmurt11
0.6 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195
Dušan
11-28-2023, 07:57 PM
That calculator is wrong!
Why?
Demirkazık
11-28-2023, 08:07 PM
With Anatolian samples:
Target: Demirkazık
Distance: 2.1423% / 0.02142321
55.2 Anatolian
26.4 Turkic_Steppe
18.4 Balto-Slavic
Scarface F
11-28-2023, 08:09 PM
Why?
Finnic component is totally wrong (there based on modern Udmurts who are mixed). In v2.5 version was used real ancient DNA from Iron Age Volga-Oka region. Also in that previous version several of Germanic samples were mixed. In this newest version is also added more purely Balto-Slavic samples.
Also East Med here is really east Med, Cypriot like Imperial Roman and clearly distinct from medieval pre-Slavic Balkan. Not sure what was used there, maybe same sample or maybe not.
Dušan
11-28-2023, 09:37 PM
Finnic component is totally wrong (there based on modern Udmurts who are mixed).
If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195
Target: Tser_scaled
Distance: 1.6226% / 0.01622567
44.0 Balto-Slavic
40.2 Old_Balkan
12.8 East_Med
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Volga_Basin
WalkiriaTyr
11-29-2023, 12:47 AM
Target: WALKIRIATYR_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4346% / 0.01434575
52.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.6 Old_Balkan
12.0 East_Med
5.0 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_Steppe
Target: KielGF
Distance: 1.7758% / 0.01775788
65.4 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Old_Balkan
10.8 Germanic
8.0 East_Med
3.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.2 Volga_Basin
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:03 AM
Target: KielGF
Distance: 1.7758% / 0.01775788
65.4 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Old_Balkan
10.8 Germanic
8.0 East_Med
3.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.2 Volga_Basin
About as Slavic as me, and highly Slavic for Hungarian. She has more Germanic and East Med than me tho, and much less Balkan. I noticed ethnic Hungarians usually score high East Med and less proper Balkan. I guess Roman presence in Pannonia was big.
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:05 AM
If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195
Forgot to say, in this v2.5 version I replaced Turkic sample too. Ottoman sample from V4 version, despite being highly Turkic, has some local Anatolian admixture. In this version, I used early Turk from Kazakhstan :)
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:20 AM
If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195
I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.
Dušan
11-29-2023, 08:28 AM
I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.
Maybe these 2:
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514, 0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344, 0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521 ,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:37 AM
Maybe these 2:
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514, 0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344, 0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521 ,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467
Not bad, but they have very slight Slavic (1-2%) and R6693 scores 7% Germanic here.
Here you can try with samples from Croatia that I filtered:
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Omiš alj-Mirine:R2050,0.112685,0.148267,-0.001886,-0.0323,0.017849,-0.018965,0.001645,-0.004615,0.005727,0.019317,-0.002273,3e-04,-0.015609,0.005092,-0.007057,-0.00358,-0.001043,0.006714,0.011313,-0.016633,-0.009733,-0.005564,0.000986,-0.004338,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Gard un:R3543,0.114961,0.151314,0.008297,-0.028424,0.022158,-0.011156,0.006815,0.001154,-0.006749,0.029522,-0.005196,0.010491,-0.01115,-0.010046,-0.010858,-0.002254,-0.003651,0.001394,0.000503,-0.008129,-0.005989,-0.001484,-0.005176,0.003012,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sipa r:R3662,0.118376,0.149283,0.004525,-0.031654,0.029852,-0.003068,-0.002585,0.002077,0.013703,0.023691,0.003735,0.012 889,-0.013528,0.004679,-0.008686,-0.006364,-0.003651,-0.002534,-0.000251,-0.002876,0.000125,0.003215,-0.001109,-0.000723,0.001317
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sisa k_Pogorelec:R2042,0.091058,0.150298,-0.001131,-0.053295,0.022466,-0.022311,-0.001175,-0.000923,0.019225,0.014579,-0.000974,-0.003447,0.004311,-0.008945,0.006515,-0.00411,0.008866,-0.004687,-0.000377,-0.007128,-0.00262,0.00507,-0.001602,-0.003253,0.000838
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Veli c:R3685,0.117238,0.146236,0,-0.027778,0.017849,-0.020638,-0.00329,-0.006692,-0.000818,0.021868,-0.000325,0.003897,-0.018434,-0.001514,-0.009908,0.009944,0.011474,-0.003421,0.00264,-0.002501,-0.004866,-0.004081,-0.002958,0.004699,-0.001557
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Poliklinika:R3746,0.126344,0.155376,0.012068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3743,0.119514,0.162485,0.009805,-0.028747,0.028005,-0.012271,0.00188,0.005538,0.00409,0.034989,0.00958 1,0.003747,-0.008028,0.001101,-0.017508,-0.012994,-0.000261,0.003294,0.004777,-0.012256,-0.007612,0.00371,0.002095,0.005181,-0.002155
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3744,0.114961,0.152329,0.012445,-0.021641,0.022773,-0.016733,-0.00517,-0.001385,0.001227,0.0277,-0.008931,0.00045,-0.019326,-0.011147,-0.007057,-0.007955,-0.000391,0.000507,0.005656,0.001876,-0.003743,0.003215,0.004437,-0.004097,0.001557
Keep in mind these are mixed Paleo Balkanites with massive East Med input.
Also more steppe samples to add, they are 100% Turkic:
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:CS465,0. 0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:KV3369,0 .042115,-0.376761,0.101823,-0.027132,-0.091402,-0.049085,0.025146,0.02746,0.007567,0.012757,0.0027 61,0.005545,-0.006541,-0.000688,0.003257,0.004375,0.001173,0.002534,0.006 662,0.013006,-0.018467,-0.005688,-0.008997,-0.001687,0.006586
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_leader:KFP7,0. 030732,-0.404181,0.09692,-0.027455,-0.080323,-0.053826,0.021621,0.025845,0.015135,0.018041,-0.024033,-0.002997,-0.003568,0.018441,0.011265,-0.003447,0.001043,-0.008235,0.002514,0.016633,-0.019965,-0.009645,-0.015899,0.000964,0.00012
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_military_leade r:FGD4,0.0387,-0.377777,0.080327,-0.01292,-0.075399,-0.044065,0.016216,0.018922,0.002863,0.006743,-0.023384,0.002398,0.000595,0.000413,0.010315,0.002 254,-0.003912,-0.006461,0.003771,0.015883,-0.01148,-0.005317,-0.01861,-0.003976,-0.002874
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_middlelate_Avar_elite:KV3 456,0.043253,-0.365591,0.101445,-0.013566,-0.081554,-0.035977,0.016686,0.025614,0.01309,0.012939,-0.020786,0.001499,-0.001933,-0.001651,0.001086,0.013524,0.007953,-0.004434,0.006159,0.018884,-0.027576,-0.006554,-0.023417,0.007953,0.003233
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:40 AM
I will remove Albo medieval sample, it has some fault; minor Slavic admixture.
Target: Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
Distance: 1.8479% / 0.01847861
94.4 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
5.6 Balto-Slavic
Dušan
11-29-2023, 08:43 AM
Not bad, but they have very slight Slavic (1-2%) and R6693 scores 7% Germanic here.
Here you can try with samples from Croatia that I filtered:
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Omiš alj-Mirine:R2050,0.112685,0.148267,-0.001886,-0.0323,0.017849,-0.018965,0.001645,-0.004615,0.005727,0.019317,-0.002273,3e-04,-0.015609,0.005092,-0.007057,-0.00358,-0.001043,0.006714,0.011313,-0.016633,-0.009733,-0.005564,0.000986,-0.004338,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Gard un:R3543,0.114961,0.151314,0.008297,-0.028424,0.022158,-0.011156,0.006815,0.001154,-0.006749,0.029522,-0.005196,0.010491,-0.01115,-0.010046,-0.010858,-0.002254,-0.003651,0.001394,0.000503,-0.008129,-0.005989,-0.001484,-0.005176,0.003012,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sipa r:R3662,0.118376,0.149283,0.004525,-0.031654,0.029852,-0.003068,-0.002585,0.002077,0.013703,0.023691,0.003735,0.012 889,-0.013528,0.004679,-0.008686,-0.006364,-0.003651,-0.002534,-0.000251,-0.002876,0.000125,0.003215,-0.001109,-0.000723,0.001317
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sisa k_Pogorelec:R2042,0.091058,0.150298,-0.001131,-0.053295,0.022466,-0.022311,-0.001175,-0.000923,0.019225,0.014579,-0.000974,-0.003447,0.004311,-0.008945,0.006515,-0.00411,0.008866,-0.004687,-0.000377,-0.007128,-0.00262,0.00507,-0.001602,-0.003253,0.000838
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Veli c:R3685,0.117238,0.146236,0,-0.027778,0.017849,-0.020638,-0.00329,-0.006692,-0.000818,0.021868,-0.000325,0.003897,-0.018434,-0.001514,-0.009908,0.009944,0.011474,-0.003421,0.00264,-0.002501,-0.004866,-0.004081,-0.002958,0.004699,-0.001557
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Poliklinika:R3746,0.126344,0.155376,0.012068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3743,0.119514,0.162485,0.009805,-0.028747,0.028005,-0.012271,0.00188,0.005538,0.00409,0.034989,0.00958 1,0.003747,-0.008028,0.001101,-0.017508,-0.012994,-0.000261,0.003294,0.004777,-0.012256,-0.007612,0.00371,0.002095,0.005181,-0.002155
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3744,0.114961,0.152329,0.012445,-0.021641,0.022773,-0.016733,-0.00517,-0.001385,0.001227,0.0277,-0.008931,0.00045,-0.019326,-0.011147,-0.007057,-0.007955,-0.000391,0.000507,0.005656,0.001876,-0.003743,0.003215,0.004437,-0.004097,0.001557
Keep in mind these are mixed Paleo Balkanites with massive East Med input.
Also more steppe samples to add, they are 100% Turkic:
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:CS465,0. 0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:KV3369,0 .042115,-0.376761,0.101823,-0.027132,-0.091402,-0.049085,0.025146,0.02746,0.007567,0.012757,0.0027 61,0.005545,-0.006541,-0.000688,0.003257,0.004375,0.001173,0.002534,0.006 662,0.013006,-0.018467,-0.005688,-0.008997,-0.001687,0.006586
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_leader:KFP7,0. 030732,-0.404181,0.09692,-0.027455,-0.080323,-0.053826,0.021621,0.025845,0.015135,0.018041,-0.024033,-0.002997,-0.003568,0.018441,0.011265,-0.003447,0.001043,-0.008235,0.002514,0.016633,-0.019965,-0.009645,-0.015899,0.000964,0.00012
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_military_leade r:FGD4,0.0387,-0.377777,0.080327,-0.01292,-0.075399,-0.044065,0.016216,0.018922,0.002863,0.006743,-0.023384,0.002398,0.000595,0.000413,0.010315,0.002 254,-0.003912,-0.006461,0.003771,0.015883,-0.01148,-0.005317,-0.01861,-0.003976,-0.002874
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_middlelate_Avar_elite:KV3 456,0.043253,-0.365591,0.101445,-0.013566,-0.081554,-0.035977,0.016686,0.025614,0.01309,0.012939,-0.020786,0.001499,-0.001933,-0.001651,0.001086,0.013524,0.007953,-0.004434,0.006159,0.018884,-0.027576,-0.006554,-0.023417,0.007953,0.003233
Quite similar with what I got in Illustrative DNA in West Balkans mode (in my signature)
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0255% / 0.02025542
53.6 Balto-Slavic
44.6 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
1.8 Avar_Eurasian_steppe
About as Slavic as me, and highly Slavic for Hungarian. She has more Germanic and East Med than me tho, and much less Balkan. I noticed ethnic Hungarians usually score high East Med and less proper Balkan. I guess Roman presence in Pannonia was big.
Yes, she clusters with Ukranians from Zakarpattia. All, literally all of her ancestors have Hungarian surnames dating back to the early 1700s. She is from the Serbian border, lot of her ancestors lived in Vojvodina. Doesnt seem to be Serbian like at all...
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 09:51 AM
Yes, she clusters with Ukranians from Zakarpattia. All, literally all of her ancestors have Hungarian surnames dating back to the early 1700s. She is from the Serbian border, lot of her ancestors lived in Vojvodina. Doesnt seem to be Serbian like at all...
Seems people like your girlfriend were typical for Vojvodina pre-Ottoman and in Ottoman era, before Serb migrations. Here are two locals from Srijem who are western Ukrainian like:
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R3906.SG
0.01886463 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02345250 Hungarian
0.02443668 Slovenian
0.02486251 Croat_North
0.02673816 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02801453 Croat_Main
0.02836279 Czech
0.02876936 Slovakian
0.02932641 Bosnian
0.02941601 Ukrainian_Pontic
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG
0.02600240 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02768315 Slovenian
0.02956098 Hungarian
0.03041092 Croat_North
0.03084445 Slovakian
0.03160085 Croat_Main
0.03192020 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03231740 Bosnian
0.03356379 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.03438193 Czech
this one was also close:
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R9662.SG
0.02831945 Slovenian
0.02837124 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02842774 Hungarian
0.02861186 Croat_North
0.02963521 Czech
0.03055259 Slovakian
0.03260950 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03272326 Croat_Main
0.03350498 Polish_Silesian
0.03382068 German_East
I assume they spoke Hungarian.
Seems people like your girlfriend were typical for Vojvodina pre-Ottoman and in Ottoman era, before Serb migrations. Here are two locals from Srijem who are western Ukrainian like:
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R3906.SG
0.01886463 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02345250 Hungarian
0.02443668 Slovenian
0.02486251 Croat_North
0.02673816 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02801453 Croat_Main
0.02836279 Czech
0.02876936 Slovakian
0.02932641 Bosnian
0.02941601 Ukrainian_Pontic
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG
0.02600240 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02768315 Slovenian
0.02956098 Hungarian
0.03041092 Croat_North
0.03084445 Slovakian
0.03160085 Croat_Main
0.03192020 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03231740 Bosnian
0.03356379 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.03438193 Czech
this one was also close:
Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R9662.SG
0.02831945 Slovenian
0.02837124 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02842774 Hungarian
0.02861186 Croat_North
0.02963521 Czech
0.03055259 Slovakian
0.03260950 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03272326 Croat_Main
0.03350498 Polish_Silesian
0.03382068 German_East
I assume they spoke Hungarian.
Thats really interesting.
I have seen some Ancestry DNA results of Hungarians from Vojvodina, they get 80-100% EE. Couldnt get them to get G25 tho.
Gf distances
Distance to: KielGF
0.01558406 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.01847367 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02046176 Slovenian
0.02135999 Croatian
0.02366999 Czech
0.02381375 Hungarian
0.02476318 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.02503492 Polish_Silesian
0.02614015 Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.02702396 Ukrainian_Pontic
Far_away
11-29-2023, 01:35 PM
I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.
Serbia_Naissus_LateAntiquity.SG:R6764.SG,0.126344, 0.161469,0.017348,-0.033915,0.038776,-0.02259,0.00141,0,0.004909,0.038816,0.006983,0.013 038,-0.017245,0.004404,-0.018865,0.006232,0.030249,0.003674,0.010433,-0.004502,-0.009733,-0.004822,-0.005916,-0.003976,-0.011496
Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_3.SG:R6756.SG,0.1229 29,0.171624,0.008674,-0.043282,0.030159,-0.01506,0.003055,-0.001385,0.003477,0.037358,0.005521,0.008093,-0.008028,-0.004542,-0.031894,-0.010077,0.009388,-0.00038,0.006662,-0.013381,-0.012104,0.012984,-0.004314,0.006868,-0.001078
Bulgaria_LateAntiquity:I18792,0.110408,0.179749,0. 003771,-0.056202,0.023389,-0.020359,-0.003055,0.001846,0.01718,0.043737,-0.008769,0.003297,-0.028246,-0.016239,-0.019137,-0.005171,0.02386,-0.010642,-0.003897,-0.006003,-0.016097,0.017064,-0.002342,0.022292,-0.008143
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 01:42 PM
Serbia_Naissus_LateAntiquity.SG:R6764.SG,0.126344, 0.161469,0.017348,-0.033915,0.038776,-0.02259,0.00141,0,0.004909,0.038816,0.006983,0.013 038,-0.017245,0.004404,-0.018865,0.006232,0.030249,0.003674,0.010433,-0.004502,-0.009733,-0.004822,-0.005916,-0.003976,-0.011496
Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_3.SG:R6756.SG,0.1229 29,0.171624,0.008674,-0.043282,0.030159,-0.01506,0.003055,-0.001385,0.003477,0.037358,0.005521,0.008093,-0.008028,-0.004542,-0.031894,-0.010077,0.009388,-0.00038,0.006662,-0.013381,-0.012104,0.012984,-0.004314,0.006868,-0.001078
Bulgaria_LateAntiquity:I18792,0.110408,0.179749,0. 003771,-0.056202,0.023389,-0.020359,-0.003055,0.001846,0.01718,0.043737,-0.008769,0.003297,-0.028246,-0.016239,-0.019137,-0.005171,0.02386,-0.010642,-0.003897,-0.006003,-0.016097,0.017064,-0.002342,0.022292,-0.008143
Thank you :)
Naissus is about 9% Slavic, but other two are fine, I'm taking them!
This one also works:
Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG,0.1172 38,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395
Scarface F
11-29-2023, 01:58 PM
New version is here!
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?379132-V2-6-calculator-Balkans-central-eastern-Europe&p=7844124#post7844124
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