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Jana
07-26-2023, 10:40 AM
Done. Only for fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans.


Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.01395 3,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.1259 26,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0. 010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189,0.129758,0.127957,0.062225,0 .077843,0.035699,0.03012,0.015981,0.020307,0.00674 9,-0.039363,-0.007307,-0.017534,0.005649,0.031103,-0.010993,0.005304,0.01017,-0.006334,0.012444,0.005503,-0.001248,0.002968,-0.000616,-0.005663,0.000838
Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212,0.124067,0.135065,0.075424 ,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00 634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.14217 4,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.1 2862,0.149283,0.052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.1 2862,0.147252,0.056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.1 22929,0.148267,0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877, 0.003055,0.011999,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG ,0.119514,0.138112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001 ,0.069432,-0.189904,0.032809,0.007106,-0.044008,-0.004183,0.006815,0.01823,-0.011862,-0.010023,-0.021273,-0.002698,0.003271,-0.009358,0.007872,-0.003447,-0.012256,-0.003801,0.00176,0.002126,-0.012478,0.000371,0.005793,-0.005302,-0.010777
Volga_Basin,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382

Target: Feiichy_scaled_AncestryDNA
Distance: 0.0191% / 0.01909179

63.5 Balto-Slavic
26.8 Old_Balkan
5.8 East_Med
3.5 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Feiichy_scaled_MyHeritage
Distance: 0.0180% / 0.01804571

66.2 Balto-Slavic
30.2 Old_Balkan
3.3 East_Med
0.3 Germanic

Target: Feiichy_scaled_23andme
Distance: 0.0197% / 0.01969909

62.5 Balto-Slavic
27.9 Old_Balkan
5.1 East_Med
3.9 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Turkic_Steppe

Dušan
07-26-2023, 10:47 AM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2906% / 0.02290575
48.8 Balto-Slavic
44.0 Old_Balkan
3.2 Volga_Basin
3.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
1.0 Turkic_Steppe


Tatar-Turan stronk :lightbul:

Jana
07-26-2023, 10:50 AM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2906% / 0.02290575
48.8 Balto-Slavic
44.0 Old_Balkan
3.2 Volga_Basin
3.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
1.0 Turkic_Steppe


Tatar-Turan stronk :lightbul:

Magyar/Cuman/Avar ancestry??

Dušan
07-26-2023, 10:53 AM
Magyar/Cuman/Avar ancestry??

Magyar/Cuman/Avar/Pechenegs/Bulgars :confused:

Jana
07-26-2023, 10:55 AM
Magyar/Cuman/Avar/Pechenegs/Bulgars :confused:

Yeah, forgot about Bulgars. They came from Volga Basin too.

mariusz99
07-26-2023, 11:08 AM
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.7059% / 0.01705878
69.8 Balto-Slavic
22.6 Germanic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.6 East_Med
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

I see East Med for the first time. I know that previous versions of the calculator provided very good results at 0 ADC, but perhaps in this case, 0.5 would be better? What do you think?

Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.8647% / 0.01864744 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.2 Balto-Slavic
27.6 Germanic
7.2 Volga_Basin

gixajo
07-26-2023, 11:25 AM
Just for fun, because I am not fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2672% / 0.03267173
72.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
27.2 Old_Balkan

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.6595% / 0.03659499
56.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
43.8 Old_Balkan

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.2068% / 0.03206751
86.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
14.0 Old_Balkan

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.7342% / 0.03734245
76.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
23.4 Old_Balkan

Beowulf
07-26-2023, 11:27 AM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0184% / 0.01837871
61.1 Keltic_Central_Euro
21.8 Old_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
7.4 East_Med
0.1 Turkic_Steppe

majevica
07-26-2023, 11:32 AM
Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 2.5134% / 0.02513364
45.6 Balto-Slavic
27.2 Old_Balkan
20.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.6 East_Med
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 11:34 AM
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.7059% / 0.01705878
69.8 Balto-Slavic
22.6 Germanic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.6 East_Med
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

I see East Med for the first time. I know that previous versions of the calculator provided very good results at 0 ADC, but perhaps in this case, 0.5 would be better? What do you think?

Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.8647% / 0.01864744 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.2 Balto-Slavic
27.6 Germanic
7.2 Volga_Basin

Target: Katarzyna(real)
Distance: 1.3243% / 0.01324328 | ADC: 0.5x RC
83.8 Balto-Slavic
16.2 Germanic

gixajo
07-26-2023, 11:37 AM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0184% / 0.01837871


Ey, you seem to be fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans...:eek:

lockdownboredom
07-26-2023, 11:45 AM
Target: LB_scaled
Distance: 3.1471% / 0.03147067
56.8 Old_Balkan
19.6 Balto-Slavic
12.4 East_Med
11.2 Keltic_Central_Euro


Target: Nephew
Distance: 2.2499% / 0.02249899
73.0 Old_Balkan
14.0 Balto-Slavic
13.0 East_Med

Beowulf
07-26-2023, 11:46 AM
Ey, you seem to be fully central/eastern/Balkan Europeans...:eek:

I'm using a different Vahaduo wich gives different distances :)

http://promotopic.com/calculator/vahd.html

gixajo
07-26-2023, 11:53 AM
I'm using a different Vahaduo wich gives different distances :)

http://promotopic.com/calculator/vahd.html

It´s the same result, and I know that some distances are just 1/100 of the traditional vahaduo distances.

You get a distance of 1.8 that it´s a quite good distance.

But well, maybe it´s related with you having real British ancestry.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2672% / 0.03267173
72.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
27.2 Old_Balkan

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 0.0327% / 0.03267173
72.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
27.2 Old_Balkan

Abriekman
07-26-2023, 11:57 AM
Target: Abriekman_scaled
Distance: 2.2696% / 0.02269629
65.2 Balto-Slavic
14.0 East_Med
11.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
7.2 Volga_Basin
2.2 Old_Balkan


Target: Abriekman_scaled
Distance: 2.6005% / 0.02600544 | ADC: 0.5x
77.8 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
10.4 East_Med

Jana
07-26-2023, 12:02 PM
Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.7059% / 0.01705878
69.8 Balto-Slavic
22.6 Germanic
3.0 Volga_Basin
2.6 East_Med
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

I see East Med for the first time. I know that previous versions of the calculator provided very good results at 0 ADC, but perhaps in this case, 0.5 would be better? What do you think?

Target: MariuszKorycinski_scaled
Distance: 1.8647% / 0.01864744 | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.2 Balto-Slavic
27.6 Germanic
7.2 Volga_Basin

Nah, it is intended for 0 ADC. O.5x artifically deletes minor results.

Jana
07-26-2023, 12:04 PM
Please use the calculator at 0 ADC. Rest shouldn't be used whatsoever.

Impaler
07-26-2023, 12:05 PM
Stronk Keltic and Germanic:

Target: Impaler
Distance: 2.2327% / 0.02232734
40.8 East_Med
24.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
20.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Turkic_Steppe
5.6 Germanic
0.6 Old_Balkan

MandM
07-26-2023, 12:21 PM
Target: Wify
Distance: 2.3236% / 0.02323589
53.6 Balto-Slavic
22.8 Old_Balkan
16.8 East_Med
6.8 Keltic_Central_Euro

Target: Milenko
Distance: 2.4437% / 0.02443717
48.8 Old_Balkan
35.1 Balto-Slavic
11.3 East_Med
4.0 Germanic
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

East med!, is it the Greeks Islands or the Anatolia/Arabs East of the mediterranean?

Just for fun i took 2-way

Distance to: Wify
0.02725126 46.60% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 53.40% Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.02960318 66.00% Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001 + 34.00% East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.03311737 50.40% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 49.60% Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.03441899 65.40% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 34.60% East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.03612185 47.60% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 52.40% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2

Distance to: Milenko
0.02778620 62.60% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 37.40% Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.02840890 62.00% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 38.00% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.02913403 64.80% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 35.20% Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.03141196 64.40% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 35.60% Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.03419541 75.00% Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839 + 25.00% Volga_Basin

Gergő Marosvári
07-26-2023, 12:28 PM
Target: Gergő
Distance: 1.1786% / 0.01178608
54.4 Balto-Slavic
21.2 East_Med
15.6 Germanic
3.2 Turkic_Steppe
2.8 Volga_Basin
2.8 Keltic_Central_Euro

Kiel
07-26-2023, 12:43 PM
Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 1.4593% / 0.01459326
43.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
28.8 Germanic
15.0 Balto-Slavic
9.6 East_Med
2.8 Old_Balkan
0.6 Turkic_Steppe

Vitez
07-26-2023, 12:48 PM
I replaced the East Med sample with another one and it gives me a better distance (not sure if it's a better fitted one).

Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 1.4341% / 0.01434136
50.8 Balto-Slavic
19.8 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
19.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
5.0 Old_Balkan
4.6 Volga_Basin
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

0.0195 Vitez_scaled = 71% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 29% Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG

alexmegas777
07-26-2023, 12:51 PM
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 2.6505% / 0.02650545
31.8 Old_Balkan
28.0 Balto-Slavic
16.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
16.2 East_Med
7.0 Germanic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe

Dušan
07-26-2023, 12:56 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.2906% / 0.02290575
48.8 Balto-Slavic
44.0 Old_Balkan
3.2 Volga_Basin
3.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
1.0 Turkic_Steppe


Tatar-Turan stronk :lightbul:

Roman_Serbia instead ALB_MA

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9582% / 0.01958250
49.8 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
47.4 Balto-Slavic
1.8 Volga_Basin
1.0 Turkic_Steppe


Better distance below 2, and less Volga_Basin.

Nausevar
07-26-2023, 01:18 PM
Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 2.1693% / 0.02169334
49.2 Old_Balkan
41.8 Balto-Slavic
4.4 East_Med
3.8 Germanic
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

Nausevar
07-26-2023, 01:44 PM
Adding the two "Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG" samples
Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 2.0690% / 0.02068956
50.4 Old_Balkan
43.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 East_Med
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

Daco Celtic
07-26-2023, 02:06 PM
Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 1.3754% / 0.01375394
58.6 Germanic
33.2 Old_Balkan
3.4 Balto-Slavic
3.2 East_Med
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

Fit with other calculator: 0.0138% / 0.01375359

Far_away
07-26-2023, 02:51 PM
Distance: 2.0676% / 0.02067588
44.6 Balto-Slavic
34.6 Old_Balkan
15.2 East_Med
5.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

Far_away
07-26-2023, 02:54 PM
Roman_Serbia instead ALB_MA

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9582% / 0.01958250
49.8 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
47.4 Balto-Slavic
1.8 Volga_Basin
1.0 Turkic_Steppe


Better distance below 2, and less Volga_Basin.

i get bigger distance if i use samples from Serbia or Montenegro :p


Distance: 2.3456% / 0.02345635
43.2 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
21.6 East_Med
9.6 Keltic_Central_Euro


Distance: 2.4541% / 0.02454135
44.2 Balto-Slavic
22.2 East_Med
20.2 MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine
13.4 Keltic_Central_Euro

retfala
07-26-2023, 03:05 PM
Target: retfala_scaled
Distance: 0.9065% / 0.00906541
49.8 Balto-Slavic
33.4 Old_Balkan
7.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
4.2 East_Med
4.0 Germanic
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

Gallop
07-26-2023, 03:30 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.8877% / 0.03887667
68.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.2 Old_Balkan
1.2 East_Med
0.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.9142% / 0.03914179
66.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
34.0 Old_Balkan

Eurafricanid
07-26-2023, 03:59 PM
JFF
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.5289% / 0.02528946
59.1 Keltic_Central_Euro
29.6 Old_Balkan
11.3 East_Med

Dušan
07-26-2023, 04:00 PM
i get bigger distance if i use samples from Serbia or Montenegro :p


Distance: 2.3456% / 0.02345635
43.2 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
21.6 East_Med
9.6 Keltic_Central_Euro


Distance: 2.4541% / 0.02454135
44.2 Balto-Slavic
22.2 East_Med
20.2 MNE_Doclea_Bjelovine
13.4 Keltic_Central_Euro

I got even lower distance than 1.9 when I use both Roman Serbia and Montenegro :)


Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.8805% / 0.01880466
49.0 Balto-Slavic
35.8 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
12.8 Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG
1.4 Turkic_Steppe
1.0 Volga_Basin





Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.1259 26,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0. 010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189,0.129758,0.127957,0.062225,0 .077843,0.035699,0.03012,0.015981,0.020307,0.00674 9,-0.039363,-0.007307,-0.017534,0.005649,0.031103,-0.010993,0.005304,0.01017,-0.006334,0.012444,0.005503,-0.001248,0.002968,-0.000616,-0.005663,0.000838
Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212,0.124067,0.135065,0.075424 ,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00 634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.14217 4,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.1 2862,0.149283,0.052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.1 2862,0.147252,0.056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.1 22929,0.148267,0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877, 0.003055,0.011999,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG ,0.119514,0.138112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001 ,0.069432,-0.189904,0.032809,0.007106,-0.044008,-0.004183,0.006815,0.01823,-0.011862,-0.010023,-0.021273,-0.002698,0.003271,-0.009358,0.007872,-0.003447,-0.012256,-0.003801,0.00176,0.002126,-0.012478,0.000371,0.005793,-0.005302,-0.010777
Volga_Basin,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179 ,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG:R6693.SG,0.118376 ,0.149283,0.012822,-0.015504,0.022773,-0.004741,-0.000705,0.011076,0.012271,0.028429,-0.003735,0.017834,-0.020664,0.003991,-0.010586,-0.015513,0.002086,0.00228,0.01257,-0.005002,-0.006114,-0.000495,-0.002465,0.003253,-0.00491
Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG:R6701.SG,0.127482 ,0.149283,0.026776,-0.027132,0.033237,-0.011156,0.00658,0.001615,0.011249,0.032256,0.0040 6,-0.00045,-0.005203,0.001376,-0.011265,-0.014717,-0.008866,-0.003674,0.001634,-0.008629,-0.012728,-0.008037,0.001972,0.003494,-0.00479
Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG,0.1172 38,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 04:27 PM
In a couple of days my AncestryDNA results will arrive. I am so happy to get even more coordinates :))) and try the l calc again

Dušan
07-26-2023, 04:31 PM
In a couple of days my AncestryDNA results will arrive. I am so happy to get even more coordinates :))) and try the l calc again

Maybe you end up even more Germanic. ;)

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 04:34 PM
Maybe you end up even more Germanic. ;)

Unlikely. Probably will be 100% Slav then. Because AncestryDNA checks more SNP’s than MH which must be Slavic in my case. But I will let you know then. :)

Abriekman
07-26-2023, 04:46 PM
Unlikely. Probably will be 100% Slav then. Because AncestryDNA checks more SNP’s than MH which must be probably Slavic in my case. But I will let you know then. :)

Usually there is no much difference between two raw datas on G25

I have 23andme and AncestryDNA coordinates

Target: Abriekman_ancestryDNA_scaled
Distance: 2.3781% / 0.02378106 | R3P
76.0 Balto-Slavic
16.0 East_Med
8.0 Keltic_Central_Euro

Target: Abriekman_23andme_v5_scaled
Distance: 2.8273% / 0.02827295 | R3P
79.6 Balto-Slavic
16.8 East_Med
3.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

By the way, 23andme v5 data that I have is one of the worst raw datas but the results with it are usually very similiar to the results with AncestryDNA data

There can some differences in the components I score with both datas but by north/south it is almost identical

From what I've seen, worse raw datas are likely to hide or underestimate your minor ancestry

someonenotyou
07-26-2023, 04:47 PM
Target:
Distance: 1.4930% / 0.01493042
34.0 Balto-Slavic
29.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
18.2 East_Med
17.8 Germanic
1.0 Turkic_Steppe

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 04:54 PM
Usually there is no much difference between two raw datas on G25

I have 23andme and AncestryDNA coordinates

Target: Abriekman_ancestryDNA_scaled
Distance: 2.3781% / 0.02378106 | R3P
76.0 Balto-Slavic
16.0 East_Med
8.0 Keltic_Central_Euro

Target: Abriekman_23andme_v5_scaled
Distance: 2.8273% / 0.02827295 | R3P
79.6 Balto-Slavic
16.8 East_Med
3.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

By the way, 23andme v5 data that I have is one of the worst raw datas but the results with it are usually very similiar to the results with AncestryDNA data

There can some differences in the components I score with both datas but by north/south it is almost identical

From what I've seen, worse raw datas are likely to hide or underestimate your minor ancestry

Oh, I see. It’s really interesting to see the direct comparison, thank you. But I would also really like to see people who compare between MH and AncestryDNA as I heard that the difference between them is bigger than AncestryDNA to 23andme.

CordedWhelp
07-26-2023, 05:05 PM
Kinda relatively high Turkic for my mother. Maybe there’s a little fragment of Tatar hiding.

Target: CordedFather_scaled
Distance: 1.9184% / 0.01918429
49.4 Germanic
22.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
20.0 Balto-Slavic
4.0 Old_Balkan
3.8 East_Med
0.6 Turkic_Steppe

Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 1.4180% / 0.01418039
49.6 Balto-Slavic
21.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
19.2 Germanic
7.0 East_Med
2.6 Turkic_Steppe

PlattitüdenPaule
07-26-2023, 05:22 PM
Target: Stahl
Distance: 1.5053% / 0.01505258
65.2 Germanic
18.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
15.2 Balto-Slavic
1.0 East_Med

cass
07-26-2023, 05:32 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319773
56.6 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 East_Med
1.8 Old_Balkan
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

Catnip
07-26-2023, 05:52 PM
Target: Catnip
Distance: 0.8753% / 0.00875346
36.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
34.8 Germanic
25.4 Old_Balkan
3.2 East_Med

MandM
07-26-2023, 05:54 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319773
56.6 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 East_Med
1.8 Old_Balkan
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

How come there are Croats that score more Balto-Slavic then you who are Polish? or you are not maby "100" Polish? no offence just wondering how its possible

Hulu
07-26-2023, 06:01 PM
Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 2.4483% / 0.02448327
64.2 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
21.4 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
7.6 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
6.6 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.2 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 3.2608% / 0.03260783 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839


Rome recovered against Keltic again

Distance to: Hulu_scaled
0.03260783 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.08652824 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.09579660 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.09644868 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.09725908 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.10397255 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.12728529 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.13189904 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.13241932 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.13249959 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.14560719 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.14634687 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.15000399 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.15419425 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.20293159 Volga_Basin
0.35426005 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Demirkazık
07-26-2023, 06:41 PM
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.2173% / 0.03217346
56.2 East_Med
25.8 Turkic_Steppe
11.2 Balto-Slavic
4.8 Old_Balkan
2.0 Keltic_Central_Euro

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.1766% / 0.02176550
61.8 Byzantine
23.2 Turkic_Steppe
9.2 Balto-Slavic
4.6 Volga_Basin
1.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

Target: Demirkazık_scaled (With individually picked Byzantine samples)
Distance: 2.0571% / 0.02057088
61.4 Byzantine
25.0 Turkic_Steppe
13.6 Balto-Slavic


Adding Byzantine samples would be better than East_Med sample I think.


Byzantine:Turkey_SoutheastByzantine,0.0974739,0.13 73735,-0.0553339,-0.0671546,-0.0227733,-0.0191675,-0.0010468,-0.005748,-0.016864,0.0009609,0.0040596,-4.1e-05,-0.000419,0.0015514,-0.0062185,0.0041947,0.0041724,0.0004838,0.0026625,-0.0026605,0.0005445,0.0037434,0.002017,-0.0001314,-0.002384
Byzantine:Turkey_Byzantine,0.1023143,0.1475902,-0.0302536,-0.0595397,0.0003078,-0.0208239,-0.0007311,-0.0042819,-0.0064313,0.0158747,0.0028868,0.0025642,-0.0044102,0.0018657,-0.0118679,0.0026224,0.011836,-0.0010557,0.0040643,0.0017787,-0.0035908,0.0015389,-0.0008763,0.0013521,-0.0036989


Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.3921% / 0.01392135
54.8 Balto-Slavic
24.6 Old_Balkan
12.8 East_Med
7.6 Germanic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.2973% / 0.01297337
56.4 Balto-Slavic
20.8 Byzantine
15.4 Old_Balkan
7.4 Germanic

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.2103% / 0.01210274
41.6 Balto-Slavic
38.4 Old_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
9.0 East_Med
0.8 Volga_Basin
0.6 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.1395% / 0.01139535
42.2 Balto-Slavic
32.2 Old_Balkan
14.6 Byzantine
9.4 Germanic
1.2 Volga_Basin
0.4 Turkic_Steppe

cakmir7y
07-26-2023, 06:47 PM
Target: cakmir7y_scaled
Distance: 1.7917% / 0.01791741
57.4 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 East_Med
2.0 Volga_Basin
1.4 Germanic

Kiel
07-26-2023, 06:51 PM
Target: cakmir7y_scaled
Distance: 1.7917% / 0.01791741
57.4 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 East_Med
2.0 Volga_Basin
1.4 Germanic

Thats extremely low Germanic :O

rothaer
07-26-2023, 09:54 PM
Seems legit:

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.3100% / 0.01309994
40.6 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Germanic
21.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.4 Volga_Basin
2.0 East_Med

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 1.2711% / 0.01271112
67.6 Germanic
32.2 Balto-Slavic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 10:00 PM
How come there are Croats that score more Balto-Slavic then you who are Polish? or you are not maby "100" Polish? no offence just wondering how its possible

He is a Kashubian Pole. They are an ethnic minority in Poland who mixed with Germans during Prussian empire and therefore are more Germanic than the average Pole.

CordedWhelp
07-26-2023, 10:03 PM
Seems legit:

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.3100% / 0.01309994
40.6 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Germanic
21.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.4 Volga_Basin
2.0 East_Med

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 1.2711% / 0.01271112
67.6 Germanic
32.2 Balto-Slavic
0.2 Turkic_Steppe

Interesting the Volga and the Finnic tiny bit in your sig. I know it’s fitting and not about being perfectly literal, but why do you suppose you score those?

Kenshiro
07-26-2023, 10:58 PM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 0.0179% / 0.01791272
50.9 Old_Balkan
26.4 East_Med
11.5 Keltic_Central_Euro
7.6 Germanic
2.3 Turkic_Steppe
1.3 Balto-Slavic

cass
07-26-2023, 11:27 PM
How come there are Croats that score more Balto-Slavic then you who are Polish? or you are not maby "100" Polish? no offence just wondering how its possible

https://i.ibb.co/XF8ZfcD/0cas.jpg (https://ibb.co/kq1gVNJ)
I do not see a big discrepancy from the average of samples from wide Royal Prussia.

https://i.ibb.co/G5T8S3M/cass-0-05.png (https://ibb.co/Krwfvzs)

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 11:44 PM
https://i.ibb.co/XF8ZfcD/0cas.jpg (https://ibb.co/kq1gVNJ)
I do not see a big discrepancy from the average of samples from wide Royal Prussia.

https://i.ibb.co/G5T8S3M/cass-0-05.png (https://ibb.co/Krwfvzs)

I think he has probably seen a lot of Eastern Polish calculator results from TA members and therefore he is now confused why you score higher Germanic than them.
To Milenko, not only Kashubians but also other Western Poles who lived under Prussia have similar high Germanic results while Poles close to Lithuania/Belarus are very Slavic

ugochaves
07-26-2023, 11:45 PM
Interesting. Does anyone have a more slavic result?

Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324838
92.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Volga_Basin
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.4 Old_Balkan

Katarzyna
07-26-2023, 11:46 PM
Interesting. Does anyone have a more slavic result?

Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324838
92.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Volga_Basin
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.4 Old_Balkan

Oh, nice. We were just discussing that topic. Let me just check all my Polish samples (especially the ones from the East) if they have more. But I am sure there are some

Yes, I found in my samples for example the Polish user LM662072

Here are his results :

Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.1741% / 0.02174061
92.4 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Germanic

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 12:05 AM
Oh, nice. We were just discussing that topic. Let me just check all my Polish samples (especially the ones from the East) if they have more. But I am sure there are some

Yes, I found in my samples for example the Polish user LM662072

Here are his results :

Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.1741% / 0.02174061
92.4 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Germanic
My result is very modest.
Target: ugo_scaled
Distance: 1.5038% / 0.01503779
82.4 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Volga_Basin
2.0 Old_Balkan
0.6 Turkic_Steppe


Target: Moksha
Distance: 1.1289% / 0.01128939
53.8 Balto-Slavic
31.6 Volga_Basin
4.0 East_Med
3.8 Old_Balkan
3.4 Germanic
3.4 Turkic_Steppe

Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 12:09 AM
My result is very modest.
Target: ugo_scaled
Distance: 1.5038% / 0.01503779
82.4 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Volga_Basin
2.0 Old_Balkan
0.6 Turkic_Steppe


Target: Moksha
Distance: 1.1289% / 0.01128939
53.8 Balto-Slavic
31.6 Volga_Basin
4.0 East_Med
3.8 Old_Balkan
3.4 Germanic
3.4 Turkic_Steppe

I think both your wife and the user LM662072‘s results are somehow not complete, because look at their bad distance. Mine and your distance is much better and we are less Slavic than them. Something is missing them in their distance, I think they need some extra component.

cass
07-27-2023, 12:10 AM
I think he has probably seen a lot of Eastern Polish calculator results from TA members and therefore he is now confused why you score higher Germanic than them.
To Milenko, not only Kashubians but also other Western Poles who lived under Prussia have similar high Germanic results while Poles close to Lithuania/Belarus are very Slavic

Its worth quoting first passages of Gunther Grass "First there were the Rugiers, then came the Goths and Gepides, followed by the Kashubes, from whom Oskar descends directly. Soon after, the Poles sent Adalbert of Prague. He came with the cross and was slain with the axe by the Kashubes or the Prussian.

Kaspias
07-27-2023, 12:25 AM
Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 2.7016% / 0.02701645
38.6 East_Med
28.6 Balto-Slavic
21.2 Turkic_Steppe
11.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

If remove East_Med it gives a pretty solid result

Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 3.3083% / 0.03308324
51.0 Old_Balkan
24.6 Balto-Slavic
24.4 Turkic_Steppe

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 12:33 AM
user LM662072‘s results
I think he is Balt. Try this for him

Baltic_LTU_BA,0.129189,0.1284645,0.091075,0.093993 ,0.040469,0.036395,0.0072855,0.011076,-0.0031705,-0.0483835,-0.0021925,-0.017834,0.0152375,0.026905,-0.009636,-0.00358,-0.008801,0.0025975,-0.004902,0.0006875,-0.0034315,0.0012365,0.000493,-0.0144595,0.0091605

Before
Target: Latvian
Distance: 3.1061% / 0.03106115
90.2 Balto-Slavic
9.8 Volga_Basin

After
Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.9265% / 0.01926547
56.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
40.0 Balto-Slavic
3.4 Volga_Basin

Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 12:47 AM
I think he is Balt. Try this for him


Before
Target: Latvian
Distance: 3.1061% / 0.03106115
90.2 Balto-Slavic
9.8 Volga_Basin

After
Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.9265% / 0.01926547
56.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
40.0 Balto-Slavic
3.4 Volga_Basin

Oh yeah, seems like he is. It slightly improved his distance

https://i.ibb.co/M7qrsHb/IMG-2645.jpg (https://ibb.co/m4QkGKm)
pic 56 (https://imgbb.com/)

Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.0247% / 0.02024717
37.6 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
28.4 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
22.8 Balto-Slavic:Baltic_LTU_BA
8.4 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
2.8 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76



But I still wonder about your wife … hmm

Danjojo
07-27-2023, 01:00 AM
Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 0.8142% / 0.00814153
38.6 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
24.8 Germanic
8.8 Old_Balkan
1.8 Turkic_Steppe

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 01:02 AM
Oh yeah, seems like he is. It slightly improved his distance

https://i.ibb.co/M7qrsHb/IMG-2645.jpg (https://ibb.co/m4QkGKm)
pic 56 (https://imgbb.com/)

Target: Polish:LM662072_scaled
Distance: 2.0247% / 0.02024717
37.6 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
28.4 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
22.8 Balto-Slavic:Baltic_LTU_BA
8.4 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
2.8 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76



But I still wonder about your wife … hmm

Why is it different for me?
https://i.ibb.co/F4FR2cy/ugo.jpg (https://ibb.co/VYsfRbz)

Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 01:04 AM
Why is it different for me?
https://i.ibb.co/F4FR2cy/ugo.jpg (https://ibb.co/VYsfRbz)

I put us on ADC 0.5 to speed up the results

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 01:18 AM
I put us on ADC 0.5 to speed up the results
A good calculator for Eastern Slavs.
https://i.ibb.co/WsQxH4d/767.jpg (https://ibb.co/QXZbJ3q)

Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 01:31 AM
A good calculator for Eastern Slavs.
https://i.ibb.co/WsQxH4d/767.jpg (https://ibb.co/QXZbJ3q)

Also good for western Slavs as we are almost the same just more Germanic :)

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 01:34 AM
Also good for western Slavs as we are almost the same just more Germanic :)

Northern Russians

Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 1.7558% / 0.01755834
66.0 Volga_Basin
18.6 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
6.2 Baltic_LTU_BA

Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.8412% / 0.01841153
59.0 Volga_Basin
22.4 Balto-Slavic
12.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
5.0 Germanic
1.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 1.2503% / 0.01250301
82.8 Volga_Basin
11.4 Germanic
4.6 Balto-Slavic
1.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 1.3561% / 0.01356138
44.2 Volga_Basin
39.8 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.8 Baltic_LTU_BA

Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.2643% / 0.01264334
39.6 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Volga_Basin
10.0 Germanic
7.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
3.8 Old_Balkan
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

noricum
07-27-2023, 05:17 AM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.7082% / 0.01708225
41.8 Balto-Slavic
30.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
14.8 Old_Balkan
13.0 Germanic

Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.04874656 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.05066426 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05257082 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05274016 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.05580246 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05732512 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.05766377 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.05817730 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.06065978 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.06301428 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.06705989 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07097659 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.10701450 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14309388 Volga_Basin
0.17248754 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.35122619 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Katarzyna
07-27-2023, 09:58 AM
Northern Russians

Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 1.7558% / 0.01755834
66.0 Volga_Basin
18.6 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
6.2 Baltic_LTU_BA

Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.8412% / 0.01841153
59.0 Volga_Basin
22.4 Balto-Slavic
12.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
5.0 Germanic
1.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 1.2503% / 0.01250301
82.8 Volga_Basin
11.4 Germanic
4.6 Balto-Slavic
1.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 1.3561% / 0.01356138
44.2 Volga_Basin
39.8 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.8 Baltic_LTU_BA

Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.2643% / 0.01264334
39.6 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Volga_Basin
10.0 Germanic
7.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
3.8 Old_Balkan
1.6 Turkic_Steppe


Oh. That’s more than I expected but we are still slightly more
https://i.ibb.co/524yg6X/IMG-2647.jpg (https://ibb.co/g69pL3b)

Abriekman
07-27-2023, 10:25 AM
Northern Russians


Maybe Northern Russians are admixed with Finns that carry Germanic genes from Swedes?

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 10:30 AM
Oh. That’s more than I expected but we are still slightly more
Northern Russians have a high Scandinavian haplogroup i1 up to 16% in some northern areas. At the same time, this haplogroup is low among the surrounding Finno-Ugrians. I don't know why some northern Russian calculators determine German autosomes. G25 hides the Germans in the Finns and gives the lowest percentage. MDLP27 gives much higher. The main Russians are very far from the northern Russians. I and all the central Russian - Germans do not have at all. I do not understand why we are one people with northern Russians. How did it happen? Compare Russian Voronezh and Pomors. This is further than the British from the southern Russians, I guess. But still, there is a genetic bridge between northern and southern Russians. And one mentality and self-consciousness.

ugochaves
07-27-2023, 10:31 AM
Maybe Northern Russians are admixed with Finns that carry Germanic genes from Swedes?
The surrounding Finno-Ugric peoples do not have I1.

I will add: They have, but much less

Abriekman
07-27-2023, 10:35 AM
The surrounding Finno-Ugric peoples do not have I1.

I will add: They have, but much less

They have more. It's 25%+ in Finland.

https://i.imgur.com/dmJRZQX.png

rothaer
07-27-2023, 03:34 PM
Interesting the Volga and the Finnic tiny bit in your sig. I know it’s fitting and not about being perfectly literal, but why do you suppose you score those?

I actually do not see any historically corresponding real population to these results among my to be assumed far back ancestry.

Also, me getting 2.4% Volga basin - which btw. is the 12fold (!) amount of what I get Finnic in v2.4 - is not consistent with the results of my parents that together have just 1.0% of it:

Target: rothaer_father_scaled
Distance: 1.4407% / 0.01440667
48.4 Germanic
25.2 Balto-Slavic
17.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
7.6 East_Med
1.0 Volga_Basin
0.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: rothaer_mother_scaled
Distance: 1.6465% / 0.01646497
46.0 Balto-Slavic
32.6 Germanic
19.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.4 Old_Balkan

I think it can time by time be mathematically extracted so a model fits but there will be a number of almost equally fitting models. Here are 5 children with rothaer_wife1(untested):

Target: rothaer_child1_scaled
Distance: 2.1434% / 0.02143376
42.2 Balto-Slavic
36.6 Germanic
17.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 Volga_Basin
1.6 East_Med

Target: rothaer_child2_scaled
Distance: 1.8161% / 0.01816087
38.6 Balto-Slavic
31.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
28.0 Germanic
1.8 East_Med

Target: rothaer_child3_scaled
Distance: 2.0472% / 0.02047185
36.4 Germanic
33.0 Balto-Slavic
25.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.0 Volga_Basin

Target: rothaer_child4_scaled
Distance: 1.4658% / 0.01465751
35.4 Balto-Slavic
32.8 Germanic
26.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 Volga_Basin

Target: rothaer_child5_scaled
Distance: 1.7073% / 0.01707302
35.4 Balto-Slavic
35.2 Germanic
24.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.6 Volga_Basin
2.0 East_Med

I think this component is not fitting for Central Europeans and it should be removed (or replaced with something resembling that Central Europeans do not score).

rothaer
07-27-2023, 03:44 PM
[LM662072] I think he is Balt. Try this for him


Before
Target: Latvian
Distance: 3.1061% / 0.03106115
90.2 Balto-Slavic
9.8 Volga_Basin

After
Target: Latvian
Distance: 1.9265% / 0.01926547
56.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
40.0 Balto-Slavic
3.4 Volga_Basin

I know who it is. It's a pure Pole from Central Poland.

rothaer
07-27-2023, 03:52 PM
Northern Russians

Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 1.7558% / 0.01755834
66.0 Volga_Basin
18.6 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
6.2 Baltic_LTU_BA

Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.8412% / 0.01841153
59.0 Volga_Basin
22.4 Balto-Slavic
12.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
5.0 Germanic
1.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 1.2503% / 0.01250301
82.8 Volga_Basin
11.4 Germanic
4.6 Balto-Slavic
1.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 1.3561% / 0.01356138
44.2 Volga_Basin
39.8 Balto-Slavic
9.2 Germanic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.8 Baltic_LTU_BA

Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.2643% / 0.01264334
39.6 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Volga_Basin
10.0 Germanic
7.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
3.8 Old_Balkan
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

I wonder whether Germanic is just mathematically triggered by high Volga Basin. Can you re-run without Volga Basin?

cakmir7y
07-27-2023, 05:28 PM
Thats extremely low Germanic :O

Yep, and complete opposite to my Illustrative DNA results: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374667-Czech-IllustrativeDNA-results
(https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374667-Czech-IllustrativeDNA-results)

calxpal
07-28-2023, 03:43 AM
Sorry I know It's not for me but I was tempted to try it.

Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 2.3656% / 0.02365558
41.6 Germanic
27.2 Balto-Slavic
15.6 East_Med
15.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 Turkic_Steppe


Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 2.3656% / 0.02365558
27.2 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
23.6 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
15.6 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
15.2 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
13.4 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
4.0 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.6 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.4 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Nurzat
07-28-2023, 06:29 PM
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7017% / 0.01701676
47.2 Balto-Slavic
30.0 Old_Balkan
12.6 Germanic
7.0 East_Med
3.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7017% / 0.01701676
30.0 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
23.0 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
20.4 Balto-Slavic: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
12.6 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
7.0 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
3.8 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
3.2 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

ZeDude
07-28-2023, 06:48 PM
Target: ZeDude
Distance: 1.5809% / 0.01580932
38.4 Old_Balkan
38.2 Balto-Slavic
21.8 East_Med
1.6 Keltic_Central_Euro



Target: Mother
Distance: 2.3644% / 0.02364421
36.2 Old_Balkan
28.4 Balto-Slavic
17.6 East_Med
14.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.6 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_Steppe

Voskos
07-28-2023, 11:58 PM
Target:
Distance: 2.7045% / 0.02704477
57.4 East_Med
24.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
18.0 Old_Balkan

celticdragongod
07-29-2023, 12:02 AM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02017530 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.02758888 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.03573685 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03631814 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.04768714 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.04955325 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05171676 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.05640321 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.07495711 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.07996799 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.08741373 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.08825661 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.12402403 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14544685 Volga_Basin
0.18375181 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.34915125 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5059% / 0.01505868
76.2 Germanic
20.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.8 Balto-Slavic
0.4 Old_Balkan

ugochaves
07-29-2023, 12:19 AM
They have more. It's 25%+ in Finland.

https://i.imgur.com/dmJRZQX.pngFinns do not surround the northern Russians, only Komi and Veps.

Y-chromosomal haplogroups predominate in Veps. N1a1 (38.5%) and R1a (35.9%). Y-chromosomal haplogroups N (xN3)-M231 (17.9%), I-M170 (5.1%) and R1b-M173/M269 (2.9%) are less common.

Among the Komi
Haplogroup Percentage
N 51%
R1a 29%
R1b 11%
E1b1b 5%
I1 2%
I2 2%

Abriekman
07-29-2023, 09:55 AM
Finns do not surround the northern Russians, only Komi and Veps.

In my message I was referring to Finns and not other Finno-Ugric ethnicities in Russia. Read it again.

ugochaves
07-29-2023, 10:05 AM
In my message I was referring to Finns and not other Finno-Ugric ethnicities in Russia. Read it again.
I understand you well. What do Finns have to do with Russians? We didn't mix with them.

DomitiusAurelian
07-29-2023, 02:35 PM
Target: NoNameNoPain
Distance: 3.1707% / 0.03170706
69.4 East_Med
19.0 Turkic_Steppe
9.6 Old_Balkan
2.0 Balto-Slavic

Katarzyna
08-11-2023, 11:58 PM
Target: Katarzyna_MH
Distance: 1.1968% / 0.01196780
82.6 Balto-Slavic
12.0 Germanic
3.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.6 Turkic_Steppe
0.6 Old_Balkan

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA
Distance: 1.3857% / 0.01385656
70.0 Balto-Slavic
14.8 Germanic
12.4 Volga_Basin
2.8 East_Med

oszkar07
08-12-2023, 11:19 AM
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2719% / 0.02271939
33.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
29.2 Germanic
23.8 Balto-Slavic
10.2 Old_Balkan
2.2 Volga_Basin
1.0 Turkic_Steppe

Katarzyna
08-12-2023, 12:50 PM
Oops double post.
Therefore deleted

Mr.G
08-12-2023, 01:30 PM
Oops double post.
Therefore deleted

Hi Katarzyna,

I'm curious, did you score any Germanic Europe, Sweden and Denmark on AncestryDNA?

Katarzyna
08-18-2023, 01:42 PM
Ok here we are with official ancestry coords

Target: Katarzyna_Ancestry(Official)
Distance: 1.1688% / 0.01168763
77.8 Balto-Slavic
16.8 Germanic
4.0 Volga_Basin
1.2 Old_Balkan
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

Julkka
08-19-2023, 05:40 PM
Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 3.7043% / 0.03704271
50.0 Volga_Basin
30.2 Germanic
19.8 Balto-Slavic

Erronkari
08-19-2023, 05:46 PM
Target: F_Lopes_scaled
Distance: 4.6488% / 0.04648796
75.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
12.8 Old_Balkan
8.2 East_Med
3.6 Turkic_Steppe

Distance to: F_Lopes_scaled
0.05720428 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05841136 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05919895 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.07612793 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.08606983 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.08835140 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.09410621 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.09511194 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.09689006 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.12823844 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.13150091 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.14245348 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.14503931 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.14606733 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.18438528 Volga_Basin
0.34356922 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Xavier727
08-19-2023, 06:16 PM
Target:
Distance: 2.1354% / 0.02565409
55.0 Germanic
31.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
10.2 Balto-Slavic
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
1.2 East_Med

Far_away
09-21-2023, 03:57 AM
Trying Chebyshev

Chebyshev distance: 0.9529% / 0.00952928
33.8 Balto-Slavic
24.6 Old_Balkan
22.4 East_Med
14.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 Germanic

normal
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02067574
44.5 Balto-Slavic
34.7 Old_Balkan
15.1 East_Med
5.7 Keltic_Central_Euro

true_southron try this calc

yngviktor
09-21-2023, 10:20 AM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.1226% / 0.01122607
51.6 Balto-Slavic
39.0 Old_Balkan
5.4 East_Med
3.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Turkic_Steppe

DomitiusAurelian
09-21-2023, 12:13 PM
Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 1.7717% / 0.01771673 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.2 Anatolian
16.2 Turkic_Steppe
13.6 Volga_Basin
5.0 East_Med

true_southron
09-21-2023, 12:44 PM
Trying Chebyshev

Chebyshev distance: 0.9529% / 0.00952928
33.8 Balto-Slavic
24.6 Old_Balkan
22.4 East_Med
14.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
5.2 Germanic

normal
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02067574
44.5 Balto-Slavic
34.7 Old_Balkan
15.1 East_Med
5.7 Keltic_Central_Euro

true_southron try this calc

Target: true_southron_scaled
Distance: 1.2696% / 0.01269606
51.2 Old_Balkan
22.0 Balto-Slavic
14.2 East_Med
12.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Turkic_Steppe


Distance to: true_southron_scaled
0.04225228 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.06796163 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.06893590 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.07329673 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.07437266 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.09706172 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.10069469 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.10073337 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.10141832 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.10822649 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.11379406 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.11626152 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.11828771 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.12337442 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.18018199 Volga_Basin
0.34903082 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Ahmet
09-21-2023, 04:20 PM
Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 4.9569% / 0.04956861
79.4 East_Med
12.8 Turkic_Steppe
7.2 Balto-Slavic
0.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

With Anatolia;

Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 3.3226% / 0.03322608
71.6 Anatolian
13.4 Turkic_Steppe
11.0 Balto-Slavic
4.0 Volga_Basin

With Anatolia and Caucasian;

Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 2.2703% / 0.02270286
44.8 Anatolian
33.6 Caucasian
12.0 Turkic_Steppe
8.6 Balto-Slavic
1.0 Keltic_Central_Euro

Nurzat
09-21-2023, 11:41 PM
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.7017% / 0.01701676
47.2 Balto-Slavic
30.0 Old_Balkan
12.6 Germanic
7.0 East_Med
3.2 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Nurzat_mom_phased_sim
Distance: 1.6124% / 0.01612416
47.8 Balto-Slavic
32.6 Old_Balkan
14.2 Germanic
5.4 East_Med

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.8209% / 0.01820940
60.4 Balto-Slavic
21.6 Old_Balkan
7.0 East_Med
6.6 Germanic
4.4 Turkic_Steppe


oddly similar to my mom's simulated G25 (simulated from my phased raw data, i.e. the half of my genome that is inherited from her, since I now have dad's genome, so I was able to phase my mom's; looks like the excess Germanic is from her side, unexpectedly)

gixajo
10-10-2023, 11:40 PM
Why you hate so much Irish til you make them being Germanic and not "Keltics" :confused:

https://i.postimg.cc/4ymTY4kM/Keltic-brit.png (https://postimages.org/)

Vessna
10-11-2023, 06:18 AM
Bruh...;)

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0883% / 0.02088300
89.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Volga_Basin
2.4 East_Med

bained
10-11-2023, 09:39 AM
Target: BaiNed_simulatedk36
Distance: 1.1129% / 0.01112861
35.4 Old_Balkan
26.2 Balto-Slavic
19.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
15.2 East_Med
4.2 Germanic

Target: BaiNed_simulatedk36
Distance: 1.6153% / 0.01615285 | R3P
61.0 Old_Balkan
24.0 Balto-Slavic
15.0 Germanic

Katarzyna
10-11-2023, 09:45 AM
Now without ADC

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 1.1688% / 0.01168763
77.8 Balto-Slavic
16.8 Germanic
4.0 Volga_Basin
1.2 Old_Balkan
0.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

The_Strategist
11-09-2023, 03:58 PM
Target: Yan_scaled
Distance: 2.5245% / 0.02524493
55.0 Balto-Slavic
32.6 Old_Balkan
9.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.2 Germanic
0.6 East_Med

Vitez
11-09-2023, 04:35 PM
Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 1.4341% / 0.01434136
50.8 Balto-Slavic
19.8 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
19.0 Keltic_Central_Europe
5.0 Old_Balkan
4.6 Volga_Basin
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

0.0195 Vitez_scaled = 71% Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 29% Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG


With my other coords, it's similar :

Target: Vitez_newg25
Distance: 0.0092% / 0.00916936
49.8 Balto-Slavic
15.1 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
12.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
11.5 Old_Balkan
8.2 Germanic
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.8 Volga_Basin

Gallop
11-09-2023, 06:27 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.8877% / 0.03887667
68.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.2 Old_Balkan
1.2 East_Med
0.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.9142% / 0.03914179
66.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
34.0 Old_Balkan

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 4.0309% / 0.04030939
62.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
36.6 Old_Balkan
1.0 East_Med

Polak
11-10-2023, 05:20 PM
Target: Polak_scaled
Distance: 3.5394% / 0.03539419
85.8 Balto-Slavic
14.2 Germanic

Bad distance.

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 09:12 AM
Bruh...;)

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0883% / 0.02088300
89.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Volga_Basin
2.4 East_Med

Wow, an essentialy pure Balto-Slav! You are like our ancestors that came here before they mixed with Balkanites :D

I see you get some Volga_Basin, but this component has some shared Balto-Slavic drift with early Slavic samples.

Petalpusher
11-28-2023, 09:27 AM
Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.6651% / 0.02665099
78.6 Keltic_Central_Euro
21.4 Germanic


Distance to: Petalpusher
0.02911708 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.03108777 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.04269015 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.04733414 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05307304 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.05624554 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05773671 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.05829161 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.08930412 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.09104489 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.10055282 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.10339635 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.10572694 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.17404554 Volga_Basin
0.17506938 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.37469279 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 09:49 AM
Why you hate so much Irish til you make them being Germanic and not "Keltics" :confused:

Because Irish don't have that much of continental Celtic ancestry. Insular Celts are genetically much closer to Germanics than to central Euro Celts. I tought this was common knowledge. Also one of reasons I stated calculator is designed for central/eastern/Balkan Euros.

yngviktor
11-28-2023, 02:45 PM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.1226% / 0.01122607
51.6 Balto-Slavic
39.0 Old_Balkan
5.4 East_Med
3.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Turkic_Steppe

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:48 PM
Target: Viktor
Distance: 1.1226% / 0.01122607
51.6 Balto-Slavic
39.0 Old_Balkan
5.4 East_Med
3.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.0 Turkic_Steppe

are you Bosniak?

yngviktor
11-28-2023, 02:53 PM
Yes, why?

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:54 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.7082% / 0.01708225

41.8 Balto-Slavic
30.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
14.8 Old_Balkan
13.0 Germanic

Really good breakdown for you. I think it's realistic.

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:57 PM
Interesting. Does anyone have a more slavic result?

Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 2.3248% / 0.02324838
92.2 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Volga_Basin
1.8 Turkic_Steppe
0.4 Old_Balkan

No. She is even slightly more so Balto-Slavic than Vessna! Where in Russia is she from?

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 02:58 PM
Yes, why?

Looks like a Bosniak result. Nice.

yngviktor
11-28-2023, 02:59 PM
Thank u

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 03:09 PM
3 southern Croat islanders from Dalmatia (Zlarin is my island, Žirje is another one more further in the open sea). It's interesting they score decent Keltic;


Target: Zlarin1_scaled
Distance: 2.3431% / 0.02343146

59.6 Balto-Slavic
33.8 Old_Balkan
6.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

Target: Zlarin2_scaled
Distance: 2.2932% / 0.02293229

43.0 Balto-Slavic
24.0 Old_Balkan
19.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
9.6 Germanic
2.2 East_Med
1.4 Turkic_Steppe

Target: Žirje_scaled
Distance: 2.1632% / 0.02163223

47.8 Balto-Slavic
34.0 Old_Balkan
13.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
2.8 East_Med
2.0 Germanic

It might be Venetic like input in north Illyrians tho, who seemed to have mixed with Celtic like people a lot.

Dantevici
11-28-2023, 03:19 PM
Target: me_scaled
Distance: 3.4007% / 0.03400686
62.6 East_Med
17.8 Turkic_Steppe
15.2 Germanic
4.4 Balto-Slavic

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 04:26 PM
Kajkavian-speaking Croats results, a very central European population.Their Slavic isn't that high, but Balkan input is below 20% and Germanic is significant.

https://i.imgur.com/InAcFQI.png

rothaer
11-28-2023, 04:30 PM
Kajkavian-speaking Croats results, a very central European population.Their Slavic isn't that high, but Balkan input is below 20% and Germanic is significant.

https://i.imgur.com/InAcFQI.png

Until further notice I assume them Blatnogradians. :p

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 04:35 PM
Until further notice I assume them Blatnogradians. :p

can he pass for Blatnogradian? :p (a friend and one of testees above)

...

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 04:55 PM
high superwog and Turan for Stearsie :angel:

Target: Hungarian:Stears(˝Transdanubia˝Transsylvania)
Distance: 1.0523% / 0.01052340

45.4 Balto-Slavic
22.2 Germanic
16.4 East_Med
6.8 Old_Balkan
4.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
4.4 Turkic_Steppe

rothaer
11-28-2023, 05:15 PM
can he pass for Blatnogradian? :p (a friend and one of testees above)

https://i.imgur.com/ll8q0Sv.jpg

Yep, role model Mosapurc (Moosburg) = Blatnograd = Zalavár, Pannonische Mark vassal. :p

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 05:19 PM
Yep, role model Mosapurc (Moosburg) = Blatnograd = Zalavár, Pannonische Mark vassal. :p

lol!

Grace O'Malley
11-28-2023, 05:39 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7944% / 0.01794447
87.4 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02210556 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.02532111 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.02921379 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03892814 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05028639 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05317734 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05466960 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05949771 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.07850163 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07918555 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.08757631 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.09123306 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.13130470 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14538615 Volga_Basin
0.18622548 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.35142512 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

Vessna
11-28-2023, 05:52 PM
Wow, an essentialy pure Balto-Slav! You are like our ancestors that came here before they mixed with Balkanites :D

I see you get some Volga_Basin, but this component has some shared Balto-Slavic drift with early Slavic samples.
I blame the Volga admixture on my fully Russian grandfather ))

Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:13 PM
Target: Vessna_husband_scaled
Distance: 2.4456% / 0.02445601
63.6 Balto-Slavic
33.0 Volga_Basin
1.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:25 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7944% / 0.01794447
87.4 Germanic
12.6 Keltic_Central_Euro

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02210556 Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%
0.02532111 Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%
0.02921379 Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%
0.03892814 Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%
0.05028639 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05317734 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.05466960 Keltic_Central_Euro:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG
0.05949771 Keltic_Central_Euro:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.07850163 Balto-Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
0.07918555 Balto-Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.08757631 Balto-Slavic:MA_Lad:PCA0189
0.09123306 Balto-Slavic:MA_Cedynia:VK212
0.13130470 Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
0.14538615 Volga_Basin
0.18622548 East_Med:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76
0.35142512 Turkic_Steppe:Kazakhstan_TurkicPossible_EIA:MMR001

try by adding this:


Scotland_IA,0.129758,0.140143,0.065619,0.059755,0. 036314,0.02259,0.00047,0.011999,0.004704,0.004738,-0.006983,0.010191,-0.016799,-0.012524,0.02728,-0.00305,-0.026207,-0.003167,-0.001257,0.006878,0.010606,0.002597,0.002095,0.000 723,0.011735

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:25 PM
Target: Vessna_husband_scaled
Distance: 2.4456% / 0.02445601
63.6 Balto-Slavic
33.0 Volga_Basin
1.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
1.6 Turkic_Steppe

Northern Russian?

Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:26 PM
Northern Russian?

Yes

Grace O'Malley
11-28-2023, 06:37 PM
try by adding this:


Scotland_IA,0.129758,0.140143,0.065619,0.059755,0. 036314,0.02259,0.00047,0.011999,0.004704,0.004738,-0.006983,0.010191,-0.016799,-0.012524,0.02728,-0.00305,-0.026207,-0.003167,-0.001257,0.006878,0.010606,0.002597,0.002095,0.000 723,0.011735

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7084% / 0.01708410
72.6 Germanic
16.8 Scotland_IA
10.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 East_Med

Ugo
11-28-2023, 06:39 PM
Bruh...;)

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 2.0883% / 0.02088300
89.4 Balto-Slavic
8.2 Volga_Basin
2.4 East_Med

My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:40 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7084% / 0.01708410
72.6 Germanic
16.8 Scotland_IA
10.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.4 East_Med

!!!

no wonder you cluster with Icelanders!

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:42 PM
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.

Difference is few percent...they likely cluster together hehe.

#Oda#
11-28-2023, 06:46 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697251
61.6 Germanic
23.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
13.0 Balto-Slavic
2.0 East_Med

Keltic higher than Grace O'Malley's :confused:

Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:46 PM
Difference is few percent...they likely cluster together hehe.

Nope, I cluster close to Lithuanians ;) his wife clusters with Russians

Vessna
11-28-2023, 06:48 PM
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.

my husband is more mongol than you ;)

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:49 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697251
61.6 Germanic
23.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
13.0 Balto-Slavic
2.0 East_Med

Keltic higher than Grace O'Malley's :confused:

Irish are not really Celtic genetically in sense of having lot of Hallstatt - La Tene like input. Actually, it's Germanic English who have more of continental Celtic ancestry (France Iron Age) than the Irish xD. Irish are kind of celticised Bell Beakers (NW Euro bronze age stock) with Germanic input.

Grace tho is more Germanic than average Irish, I believe. This model isn't suited for her but anyhow.

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:50 PM
My wife is bigger. There are no competitors for her here. Yana will scream that Russians are not Slavs. Find someone with a Balto-Slavic component above my wife.

here is Polish member Lucas from central Poland:

Distance: 0.0217% / 0.02174054

92.5 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.3 Germanic

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:52 PM
Nope, I cluster close to Lithuanians ;) his wife clusters with Russians

I see. Here are results from forum member Russki who clusters close to Belarussians in oracles. He's from Nizhnyi Novgorod. I am not sure how typical is such genetics there. He's pretty Baltic/western shifted.

Target: Russian:Russki(Russian)
Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01543228

88.9 Balto-Slavic
6.3 Volga_Basin
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 06:54 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697251
61.6 Germanic
23.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
13.0 Balto-Slavic
2.0 East_Med

Also it's interesting you score some Balto-Slavic for a NW German.

hazmatnik
11-28-2023, 06:59 PM
Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 2.8285% / 0.02828478
53.8 Old_Balkan
40.2 Balto-Slavic
5.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.8 Turkic_Steppe

#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:18 PM
Also it's interesting you score some Balto-Slavic for a NW German.

Yes. I have that in several calculators although I got 0% of any Eastern Europe component in my DNA-tests except of 0,3% from 23andme. Wondering about that.

Ugo
11-28-2023, 07:19 PM
Where is the topic about the voice? I can't find it. I want to answer Vita

Vessna
11-28-2023, 07:21 PM
I see. Here are results from forum member Russki who clusters close to Belarussians in oracles. He's from Nizhnyi Novgorod. I am not sure how typical is such genetics there. He's pretty Baltic/western shifted.

Target: Russian:Russki(Russian)
Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01543228

88.9 Balto-Slavic
6.3 Volga_Basin
2.6 Turkic_Steppe
2.2 Keltic_Central_Euro

Russki is closest to me genetically out of all people on the forum.

#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:23 PM
Where is the topic about the voice? I can't find it. I want to answer Vita

accent

Kiel
11-28-2023, 07:24 PM
Irish are not really Celtic genetically in sense of having lot of Hallstatt - La Tene like input. Actually, it's Germanic English who have more of continental Celtic ancestry (France Iron Age) than the Irish xD. Irish are kind of celticised Bell Beakers (NW Euro bronze age stock) with Germanic input.

Grace tho is more Germanic than average Irish, I believe. This model isn't suited for her but anyhow.

I got 43 something Celtic on this one, around 70 at ADC 0.5 but Im pretty sure Oda is genetically closer to Irish people than me:)

#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:28 PM
here is Polish member Lucas from central Poland:

Distance: 0.0217% / 0.02174054

92.5 Balto-Slavic
7.2 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.3 Germanic

Lucasz Macuga? My father fascinatingly is related with him. He shares 8cM with Lukasz, his father and his daughter, double-phased, but I don't have that segment anymore.

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:35 PM
Lucasz Macuga? My father fascinatingly is related with him. He shares 8cM with Lukasz, his father and his daughter, double-phased, but I don't have that segment anymore.

Very interesting. Lucas is extremely Slavic individual genetically so it would make sense you have some Balto-Slavic input too. I don't exclude possibility Lucas has some minor German input, which wouldn't be strange for a Pole, but usually he's totally eastern european in tests, more than typical Poles.

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:37 PM
I got 43 something Celtic on this one, around 70 at ADC 0.5 but Im pretty sure Oda is genetically closer to Irish people than me:)

Agree. NW Germans are not that far from British Isles genetically, including the Irish. NW Euros are pretty homogenous genetically. And it's hard to separate Bell Beaker from Germanic input in amateur tools. They overlap a lot.

You have high actual Celtic due to southwest German ancestry :p

rothaer
11-28-2023, 07:43 PM
Also it's interesting you score some Balto-Slavic for a NW German.

#Oda# scores 7.2% (Balto-)Slavic at the 2.4 calculator which I consider more correct as you know. That amount also seems resonable. Why you do make a calculator where she scores 13.0% I'm not the suitable addressee to explain. :p

#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:47 PM
Very interesting. Lucas is extremely Slavic individual genetically so it would make sense you have some Balto-Slavic input too. I don't exclude possibility Lucas has some minor German input, which wouldn't be strange for a Pole, but usually he's totally eastern european in tests, more than typical Poles.

Yes, I knew that.
That must be the case. Maybe due to August dem Starken, but 8cM won't show in ethnicity calcs.

#Oda#
11-28-2023, 07:49 PM
#Oda# scores 7.2% (Balto-)Slavic at the 2.4 calculator which I consider more correct as you know. That amount also seems resonable. Why you do make a calculator where she scores 13.0% I'm not the suitable addressee to explain. :p

I can't remember.

rothaer
11-28-2023, 07:51 PM
I can't remember.

v2.4:


(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.12862,0.147252,0 .056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.12862,0.149283,0 .052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.122929,0.148267, 0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877,0.003055,0.0119 99,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11716,0.129758,0.141159, 0.047517,0.011951,0.04647,0.007251,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.00859,0.023326,-0.003897,0.010491,-0.013974,0.001789,-0.000271,-0.004508,0.007693,0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,-0.001248,0.008903,0.000739,-0.00241,0.001916
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG,0.119514,0.138 112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR2B6.SG,0.118376,0.1 42174,0.04714,0.004199,0.042469,0.000279,-0.011751,0.010615,0.019225,0.01385,0.011367,0.0113 9,-0.005203,-0.004679,0.013029,0.016176,0.030379,0.007855,0.005 656,0.003627,0.004742,-0.006306,-0.002218,0.001084,-0.010538
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR3-15.SG,0.113823,0.148267,0.064111,0.019057,0.041238 ,-0.006693,0.00564,-0.001615,0.013703,0.019135,-0.007307,-0.001199,-0.014569,-0.013487,0.024158,-0.004508,-0.02047,-0.008235,-0.006913,0.010255,-0.003119,-0.003339,-0.017748,0.001687,-0.002036
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:52 PM
#Oda# scores 7.2% (Balto-)Slavic at the 2.4 calculator which I consider more correct as you know. That amount also seems resonable. Why you do make a calculator where she scores 13.0% I'm not the suitable addressee to explain. :p

2.4 calculator is not reliable as this one. Some Germanic samples used there are not purely Germanic. Balto-Slavic samples are all totally northeastern European, you are free to test them. I already did...

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 07:53 PM
v2.4:


(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.12862,0.147252,0 .056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.12862,0.149283,0 .052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.122929,0.148267, 0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877,0.003055,0.0119 99,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11716,0.129758,0.141159, 0.047517,0.011951,0.04647,0.007251,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.00859,0.023326,-0.003897,0.010491,-0.013974,0.001789,-0.000271,-0.004508,0.007693,0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,-0.001248,0.008903,0.000739,-0.00241,0.001916
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG,0.119514,0.138 112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR2B6.SG,0.118376,0.1 42174,0.04714,0.004199,0.042469,0.000279,-0.011751,0.010615,0.019225,0.01385,0.011367,0.0113 9,-0.005203,-0.004679,0.013029,0.016176,0.030379,0.007855,0.005 656,0.003627,0.004742,-0.006306,-0.002218,0.001084,-0.010538
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR3-15.SG,0.113823,0.148267,0.064111,0.019057,0.041238 ,-0.006693,0.00564,-0.001615,0.013703,0.019135,-0.007307,-0.001199,-0.014569,-0.013487,0.024158,-0.004508,-0.02047,-0.008235,-0.006913,0.010255,-0.003119,-0.003339,-0.017748,0.001687,-0.002036
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191



That calculator is wrong!

Dušan
11-28-2023, 07:56 PM
v2.4:


(Balto-)Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001,0.129758,0.125 926,0.075424,0.072029,0.046778,0.026774,0.011986,0 .010384,-0.001636,-0.021322,-0.003085,-0.006294,0.008028,0.021194,-0.013843,0.013789,0.019036,-0.005701,0.00352,0.005378,0.004991,-0.008408,0.000986,-0.006145,0.001796
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009,0.126344,0.127 957,0.067127,0.070737,0.042162,0.02008,0.011281,0. 014999,-0.001023,-0.032802,-0.001949,-0.01124,0.017542,0.01968,-0.012893,0.007558,0.011604,0.00114,0.005782,0.0115 06,-0.010357,0.003091,0.007765,-0.008796,-0.001676
(Balto-)Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011,0.125205,0.129 988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0 .006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712,0.12862,0.147252,0 .056191,0.031654,0.046778,0.006136,-0.00282,0.000692,0.00634,0.020775,-0.006658,0.004946,-0.009068,-0.01156,0.010179,0.003713,0.00013,0.002027,0.00729 ,-0.001501,-0.000749,0.00136,-0.002465,-0.00253,0.004431
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713,0.12862,0.149283,0 .052797,0.02907,0.047086,0.014781,-0.00235,-0.002077,0.013499,0.016037,0.00065,0.003447,-0.01219,-0.015276,0.004479,0.005436,-0.003912,0.007475,0.000628,-0.001376,0.001872,0.003833,-0.005053,-0.001566,-0.005149
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715,0.122929,0.148267, 0.061471,0.02907,0.033852,0.010877,0.003055,0.0119 99,0.011044,0.025149,-0.000162,0.002548,-0.012933,0,0.012215,-0.004906,-0.017602,0.000633,0.011439,-0.009254,0.004991,-0.000124,-0.003451,-0.000602,0.017244
Celtic-like:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11716,0.129758,0.141159, 0.047517,0.011951,0.04647,0.007251,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.00859,0.023326,-0.003897,0.010491,-0.013974,0.001789,-0.000271,-0.004508,0.007693,0.003674,0.005405,0.004377,-0.001248,0.008903,0.000739,-0.00241,0.001916
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_Jeb8.SG,0.119514,0.138 112,0.055814,0.029716,0.044931,-0.006414,-0.004465,0.002077,0.009817,0.01057,0.000162,0.0080 93,-0.022894,-0.009083,0.019272,0.007823,0.002217,-0.001014,-0.000754,0.003001,-0.005615,-0.003091,-0.011832,-0.00723,0.004431
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR2B6.SG,0.118376,0.1 42174,0.04714,0.004199,0.042469,0.000279,-0.011751,0.010615,0.019225,0.01385,0.011367,0.0113 9,-0.005203,-0.004679,0.013029,0.016176,0.030379,0.007855,0.005 656,0.003627,0.004742,-0.006306,-0.002218,0.001084,-0.010538
Celtic-like:France_GrandEst_IA1_SG_NOR3-15.SG,0.113823,0.148267,0.064111,0.019057,0.041238 ,-0.006693,0.00564,-0.001615,0.013703,0.019135,-0.007307,-0.001199,-0.014569,-0.013487,0.024158,-0.004508,-0.02047,-0.008235,-0.006913,0.010255,-0.003119,-0.003339,-0.017748,0.001687,-0.002036
Finnic-like:Udmurt11,0.102441,-0.021326,0.081458,0.067507,-0.032006,0.007809,0.011986,0.007384,-0.011453,-0.037723,0.022247,-0.001199,0.013082,-0.038672,-0.009365,-0.006762,-0.00352,0.00266,-0.010182,-0.014382,0.006738,0.000866,-0.008134,0.010001,-0.002754
Germanic:ALH_1___AD_450___Coverage_94.81%,0.118376 ,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014 101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Germanic:R2204___AD_150___Coverage_65.74%,0.132035 ,0.128972,0.076178,0.057494,0.04647,0.021196,0.006 815,0.011769,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.002436,-0.002398,0.000595,-0.009083,0.020765,0.0118,-0.010431,0.005701,0.006159,0.005753,0.013102,0.003 833,0,0.013496,-0.00012
Germanic:SZ13___AD_488___Coverage_70.31%,0.133173, 0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.004 23,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003 328,0.01458,0.000359
Germanic:SZ15___AD_508___Coverage_99.90%,0.138864, 0.116786,0.058454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.002 35,0.010153,0.001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
Germanic:SZ16___AD_508___Coverage_54.61%,0.133173, 0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002 585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014 219,0.003353
Germanic:SZ22___AD_508___Coverage_59.28%,0.130897, 0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.0051 7,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952
Germanic:SZ2___AD_508___Coverage_99.66%,0.122929,0 .139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.0061 1,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002 634
Germanic:SZ7___AD_508___Coverage_63.80%,0.135449,0 .135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611 ,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,3.00E-04,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007 419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197
Germanic:CL146___AD_605___Coverage_71.88%,0.129758 ,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003 525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.00432 8,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838
Germanic:CL92___AD_605___Coverage_64.15%,0.135449, 0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.0079 9,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078
Graeco-Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial_RMPR76,0.095611,0.142174,-0.042992,-0.064923,-0.011079,-0.015618,-0.006815,-0.007384,-0.007976,0.010934,0.004547,0.001349,0.005798,-0.009909,-0.012079,0.00358,0.026729,-0.008108,-0.002388,0.007003,-0.005116,0.004575,-0.003944,0.008073,-0.000359
Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839,0.120652,0.151314,0.013953,-0.037468,0.030159,-0.012271,-0.001175,-0.001615,0.006136,0.025149,-0.004222,0.003897,-0.015609,0.002202,-0.019815,-0.007425,0.008605,0.006461,0.00817,-0.014257,-0.007112,0.002968,0.006039,-0.003735,-0.000599
Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191



This version

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0937% / 0.02093650
52.2 (Balto-)Slavic: DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
45.0 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
2.2 Finnic-like:Udmurt11
0.6 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195

Dušan
11-28-2023, 07:57 PM
That calculator is wrong!

Why?

Demirkazık
11-28-2023, 08:07 PM
With Anatolian samples:

Target: Demirkazık
Distance: 2.1423% / 0.02142321
55.2 Anatolian
26.4 Turkic_Steppe
18.4 Balto-Slavic

Scarface F
11-28-2023, 08:09 PM
Why?

Finnic component is totally wrong (there based on modern Udmurts who are mixed). In v2.5 version was used real ancient DNA from Iron Age Volga-Oka region. Also in that previous version several of Germanic samples were mixed. In this newest version is also added more purely Balto-Slavic samples.

Also East Med here is really east Med, Cypriot like Imperial Roman and clearly distinct from medieval pre-Slavic Balkan. Not sure what was used there, maybe same sample or maybe not.

Dušan
11-28-2023, 09:37 PM
Finnic component is totally wrong (there based on modern Udmurts who are mixed).


If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195

Tser
11-29-2023, 12:13 AM
Target: Tser_scaled
Distance: 1.6226% / 0.01622567
44.0 Balto-Slavic
40.2 Old_Balkan
12.8 East_Med
2.4 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.6 Volga_Basin

WalkiriaTyr
11-29-2023, 12:47 AM
Target: WALKIRIATYR_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4346% / 0.01434575
52.0 Keltic_Central_Euro
30.6 Old_Balkan
12.0 East_Med
5.0 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_Steppe

Kiel
11-29-2023, 07:56 AM
Target: KielGF
Distance: 1.7758% / 0.01775788
65.4 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Old_Balkan
10.8 Germanic
8.0 East_Med
3.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.2 Volga_Basin

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:03 AM
Target: KielGF
Distance: 1.7758% / 0.01775788
65.4 Balto-Slavic
11.8 Old_Balkan
10.8 Germanic
8.0 East_Med
3.8 Keltic_Central_Euro
0.2 Volga_Basin

About as Slavic as me, and highly Slavic for Hungarian. She has more Germanic and East Med than me tho, and much less Balkan. I noticed ethnic Hungarians usually score high East Med and less proper Balkan. I guess Roman presence in Pannonia was big.

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:05 AM
If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195

Forgot to say, in this v2.5 version I replaced Turkic sample too. Ottoman sample from V4 version, despite being highly Turkic, has some local Anatolian admixture. In this version, I used early Turk from Kazakhstan :)

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:20 AM
If I remove Udmurts from source, I get more Turkic.

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1008% / 0.02100849
53.6 (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
44.6 Palaeo-Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
1.8 Turkic:TUR_Ottoman_MA2195

I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.

Dušan
11-29-2023, 08:28 AM
I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.

Maybe these 2:

Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514, 0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344, 0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521 ,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:37 AM
Maybe these 2:

Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6693,0.119514, 0.149283,0.011314,-0.015827,0.022158,-0.002789,-0.00047,0.013384,0.011658,0.027518,-0.003735,0.016036,-0.019177,0.008257,-0.008415,-0.01127,-0.002086,0.001267,0.011061,-0.004502,-0.003369,-0.002473,-0.002342,0.005061,-0.005628
Roman*Illyria:SRB_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701,0.126344, 0.153345,0.028284,-0.028101,0.032621,-0.009482,0.005405,0.003,0.010431,0.031709,0.005521 ,0.001499,-0.006838,-0.001239,-0.011129,-0.014054,-0.011865,-0.004054,0.002137,-0.006503,-0.009733,-0.008779,0.002095,0.002289,-0.00467

Not bad, but they have very slight Slavic (1-2%) and R6693 scores 7% Germanic here.

Here you can try with samples from Croatia that I filtered:


West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Omiš alj-Mirine:R2050,0.112685,0.148267,-0.001886,-0.0323,0.017849,-0.018965,0.001645,-0.004615,0.005727,0.019317,-0.002273,3e-04,-0.015609,0.005092,-0.007057,-0.00358,-0.001043,0.006714,0.011313,-0.016633,-0.009733,-0.005564,0.000986,-0.004338,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Gard un:R3543,0.114961,0.151314,0.008297,-0.028424,0.022158,-0.011156,0.006815,0.001154,-0.006749,0.029522,-0.005196,0.010491,-0.01115,-0.010046,-0.010858,-0.002254,-0.003651,0.001394,0.000503,-0.008129,-0.005989,-0.001484,-0.005176,0.003012,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sipa r:R3662,0.118376,0.149283,0.004525,-0.031654,0.029852,-0.003068,-0.002585,0.002077,0.013703,0.023691,0.003735,0.012 889,-0.013528,0.004679,-0.008686,-0.006364,-0.003651,-0.002534,-0.000251,-0.002876,0.000125,0.003215,-0.001109,-0.000723,0.001317
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sisa k_Pogorelec:R2042,0.091058,0.150298,-0.001131,-0.053295,0.022466,-0.022311,-0.001175,-0.000923,0.019225,0.014579,-0.000974,-0.003447,0.004311,-0.008945,0.006515,-0.00411,0.008866,-0.004687,-0.000377,-0.007128,-0.00262,0.00507,-0.001602,-0.003253,0.000838
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Veli c:R3685,0.117238,0.146236,0,-0.027778,0.017849,-0.020638,-0.00329,-0.006692,-0.000818,0.021868,-0.000325,0.003897,-0.018434,-0.001514,-0.009908,0.009944,0.011474,-0.003421,0.00264,-0.002501,-0.004866,-0.004081,-0.002958,0.004699,-0.001557
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Poliklinika:R3746,0.126344,0.155376,0.012068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3743,0.119514,0.162485,0.009805,-0.028747,0.028005,-0.012271,0.00188,0.005538,0.00409,0.034989,0.00958 1,0.003747,-0.008028,0.001101,-0.017508,-0.012994,-0.000261,0.003294,0.004777,-0.012256,-0.007612,0.00371,0.002095,0.005181,-0.002155
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3744,0.114961,0.152329,0.012445,-0.021641,0.022773,-0.016733,-0.00517,-0.001385,0.001227,0.0277,-0.008931,0.00045,-0.019326,-0.011147,-0.007057,-0.007955,-0.000391,0.000507,0.005656,0.001876,-0.003743,0.003215,0.004437,-0.004097,0.001557

Keep in mind these are mixed Paleo Balkanites with massive East Med input.

Also more steppe samples to add, they are 100% Turkic:


Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:CS465,0. 0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:KV3369,0 .042115,-0.376761,0.101823,-0.027132,-0.091402,-0.049085,0.025146,0.02746,0.007567,0.012757,0.0027 61,0.005545,-0.006541,-0.000688,0.003257,0.004375,0.001173,0.002534,0.006 662,0.013006,-0.018467,-0.005688,-0.008997,-0.001687,0.006586
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_leader:KFP7,0. 030732,-0.404181,0.09692,-0.027455,-0.080323,-0.053826,0.021621,0.025845,0.015135,0.018041,-0.024033,-0.002997,-0.003568,0.018441,0.011265,-0.003447,0.001043,-0.008235,0.002514,0.016633,-0.019965,-0.009645,-0.015899,0.000964,0.00012
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_military_leade r:FGD4,0.0387,-0.377777,0.080327,-0.01292,-0.075399,-0.044065,0.016216,0.018922,0.002863,0.006743,-0.023384,0.002398,0.000595,0.000413,0.010315,0.002 254,-0.003912,-0.006461,0.003771,0.015883,-0.01148,-0.005317,-0.01861,-0.003976,-0.002874
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_middlelate_Avar_elite:KV3 456,0.043253,-0.365591,0.101445,-0.013566,-0.081554,-0.035977,0.016686,0.025614,0.01309,0.012939,-0.020786,0.001499,-0.001933,-0.001651,0.001086,0.013524,0.007953,-0.004434,0.006159,0.018884,-0.027576,-0.006554,-0.023417,0.007953,0.003233

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 08:40 AM
I will remove Albo medieval sample, it has some fault; minor Slavic admixture.

Target: Old_Balkan:ALB_MA_I13839
Distance: 1.8479% / 0.01847861

94.4 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
5.6 Balto-Slavic

Dušan
11-29-2023, 08:43 AM
Not bad, but they have very slight Slavic (1-2%) and R6693 scores 7% Germanic here.

Here you can try with samples from Croatia that I filtered:


West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Omiš alj-Mirine:R2050,0.112685,0.148267,-0.001886,-0.0323,0.017849,-0.018965,0.001645,-0.004615,0.005727,0.019317,-0.002273,3e-04,-0.015609,0.005092,-0.007057,-0.00358,-0.001043,0.006714,0.011313,-0.016633,-0.009733,-0.005564,0.000986,-0.004338,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Gard un:R3543,0.114961,0.151314,0.008297,-0.028424,0.022158,-0.011156,0.006815,0.001154,-0.006749,0.029522,-0.005196,0.010491,-0.01115,-0.010046,-0.010858,-0.002254,-0.003651,0.001394,0.000503,-0.008129,-0.005989,-0.001484,-0.005176,0.003012,-0.000359
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sipa r:R3662,0.118376,0.149283,0.004525,-0.031654,0.029852,-0.003068,-0.002585,0.002077,0.013703,0.023691,0.003735,0.012 889,-0.013528,0.004679,-0.008686,-0.006364,-0.003651,-0.002534,-0.000251,-0.002876,0.000125,0.003215,-0.001109,-0.000723,0.001317
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Sisa k_Pogorelec:R2042,0.091058,0.150298,-0.001131,-0.053295,0.022466,-0.022311,-0.001175,-0.000923,0.019225,0.014579,-0.000974,-0.003447,0.004311,-0.008945,0.006515,-0.00411,0.008866,-0.004687,-0.000377,-0.007128,-0.00262,0.00507,-0.001602,-0.003253,0.000838
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Veli c:R3685,0.117238,0.146236,0,-0.027778,0.017849,-0.020638,-0.00329,-0.006692,-0.000818,0.021868,-0.000325,0.003897,-0.018434,-0.001514,-0.009908,0.009944,0.011474,-0.003421,0.00264,-0.002501,-0.004866,-0.004081,-0.002958,0.004699,-0.001557
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Poliklinika:R3746,0.126344,0.155376,0.012068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3743,0.119514,0.162485,0.009805,-0.028747,0.028005,-0.012271,0.00188,0.005538,0.00409,0.034989,0.00958 1,0.003747,-0.008028,0.001101,-0.017508,-0.012994,-0.000261,0.003294,0.004777,-0.012256,-0.007612,0.00371,0.002095,0.005181,-0.002155
West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval:HRV_Zada r_Ulica:R3744,0.114961,0.152329,0.012445,-0.021641,0.022773,-0.016733,-0.00517,-0.001385,0.001227,0.0277,-0.008931,0.00045,-0.019326,-0.011147,-0.007057,-0.007955,-0.000391,0.000507,0.005656,0.001876,-0.003743,0.003215,0.004437,-0.004097,0.001557

Keep in mind these are mixed Paleo Balkanites with massive East Med input.

Also more steppe samples to add, they are 100% Turkic:


Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:CS465,0. 0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_elite:KV3369,0 .042115,-0.376761,0.101823,-0.027132,-0.091402,-0.049085,0.025146,0.02746,0.007567,0.012757,0.0027 61,0.005545,-0.006541,-0.000688,0.003257,0.004375,0.001173,0.002534,0.006 662,0.013006,-0.018467,-0.005688,-0.008997,-0.001687,0.006586
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_leader:KFP7,0. 030732,-0.404181,0.09692,-0.027455,-0.080323,-0.053826,0.021621,0.025845,0.015135,0.018041,-0.024033,-0.002997,-0.003568,0.018441,0.011265,-0.003447,0.001043,-0.008235,0.002514,0.016633,-0.019965,-0.009645,-0.015899,0.000964,0.00012
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_early_Avar_military_leade r:FGD4,0.0387,-0.377777,0.080327,-0.01292,-0.075399,-0.044065,0.016216,0.018922,0.002863,0.006743,-0.023384,0.002398,0.000595,0.000413,0.010315,0.002 254,-0.003912,-0.006461,0.003771,0.015883,-0.01148,-0.005317,-0.01861,-0.003976,-0.002874
Avar_Eurasian_steppe:HUN_middlelate_Avar_elite:KV3 456,0.043253,-0.365591,0.101445,-0.013566,-0.081554,-0.035977,0.016686,0.025614,0.01309,0.012939,-0.020786,0.001499,-0.001933,-0.001651,0.001086,0.013524,0.007953,-0.004434,0.006159,0.018884,-0.027576,-0.006554,-0.023417,0.007953,0.003233

Quite similar with what I got in Illustrative DNA in West Balkans mode (in my signature)

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0255% / 0.02025542
53.6 Balto-Slavic
44.6 West_Balkan_late_antiquity_early_medieval
1.8 Avar_Eurasian_steppe

Kiel
11-29-2023, 09:01 AM
About as Slavic as me, and highly Slavic for Hungarian. She has more Germanic and East Med than me tho, and much less Balkan. I noticed ethnic Hungarians usually score high East Med and less proper Balkan. I guess Roman presence in Pannonia was big.

Yes, she clusters with Ukranians from Zakarpattia. All, literally all of her ancestors have Hungarian surnames dating back to the early 1700s. She is from the Serbian border, lot of her ancestors lived in Vojvodina. Doesnt seem to be Serbian like at all...

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 09:51 AM
Yes, she clusters with Ukranians from Zakarpattia. All, literally all of her ancestors have Hungarian surnames dating back to the early 1700s. She is from the Serbian border, lot of her ancestors lived in Vojvodina. Doesnt seem to be Serbian like at all...

Seems people like your girlfriend were typical for Vojvodina pre-Ottoman and in Ottoman era, before Serb migrations. Here are two locals from Srijem who are western Ukrainian like:

Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R3906.SG
0.01886463 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02345250 Hungarian
0.02443668 Slovenian
0.02486251 Croat_North
0.02673816 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02801453 Croat_Main
0.02836279 Czech
0.02876936 Slovakian
0.02932641 Bosnian
0.02941601 Ukrainian_Pontic

Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG
0.02600240 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02768315 Slovenian
0.02956098 Hungarian
0.03041092 Croat_North
0.03084445 Slovakian
0.03160085 Croat_Main
0.03192020 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03231740 Bosnian
0.03356379 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.03438193 Czech

this one was also close:

Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R9662.SG
0.02831945 Slovenian
0.02837124 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02842774 Hungarian
0.02861186 Croat_North
0.02963521 Czech
0.03055259 Slovakian
0.03260950 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03272326 Croat_Main
0.03350498 Polish_Silesian
0.03382068 German_East

I assume they spoke Hungarian.

Kiel
11-29-2023, 10:16 AM
Seems people like your girlfriend were typical for Vojvodina pre-Ottoman and in Ottoman era, before Serb migrations. Here are two locals from Srijem who are western Ukrainian like:

Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R3906.SG
0.01886463 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02345250 Hungarian
0.02443668 Slovenian
0.02486251 Croat_North
0.02673816 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02801453 Croat_Main
0.02836279 Czech
0.02876936 Slovakian
0.02932641 Bosnian
0.02941601 Ukrainian_Pontic

Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG
0.02600240 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02768315 Slovenian
0.02956098 Hungarian
0.03041092 Croat_North
0.03084445 Slovakian
0.03160085 Croat_Main
0.03192020 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03231740 Bosnian
0.03356379 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.03438193 Czech

this one was also close:

Distance to: Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R9662.SG
0.02831945 Slovenian
0.02837124 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02842774 Hungarian
0.02861186 Croat_North
0.02963521 Czech
0.03055259 Slovakian
0.03260950 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03272326 Croat_Main
0.03350498 Polish_Silesian
0.03382068 German_East

I assume they spoke Hungarian.

Thats really interesting.
I have seen some Ancestry DNA results of Hungarians from Vojvodina, they get 80-100% EE. Couldnt get them to get G25 tho.

Gf distances

Distance to: KielGF
0.01558406 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.01847367 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02046176 Slovenian
0.02135999 Croatian
0.02366999 Czech
0.02381375 Hungarian
0.02476318 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.02503492 Polish_Silesian
0.02614015 Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.02702396 Ukrainian_Pontic

Far_away
11-29-2023, 01:35 PM
I am adding more Balkanic samples. By that I mean something from early medieval and late antiquity. Do you have anything from Serbia or Bulgaria you wish me to add? Post here and I will run some tests.


Serbia_Naissus_LateAntiquity.SG:R6764.SG,0.126344, 0.161469,0.017348,-0.033915,0.038776,-0.02259,0.00141,0,0.004909,0.038816,0.006983,0.013 038,-0.017245,0.004404,-0.018865,0.006232,0.030249,0.003674,0.010433,-0.004502,-0.009733,-0.004822,-0.005916,-0.003976,-0.011496
Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_3.SG:R6756.SG,0.1229 29,0.171624,0.008674,-0.043282,0.030159,-0.01506,0.003055,-0.001385,0.003477,0.037358,0.005521,0.008093,-0.008028,-0.004542,-0.031894,-0.010077,0.009388,-0.00038,0.006662,-0.013381,-0.012104,0.012984,-0.004314,0.006868,-0.001078
Bulgaria_LateAntiquity:I18792,0.110408,0.179749,0. 003771,-0.056202,0.023389,-0.020359,-0.003055,0.001846,0.01718,0.043737,-0.008769,0.003297,-0.028246,-0.016239,-0.019137,-0.005171,0.02386,-0.010642,-0.003897,-0.006003,-0.016097,0.017064,-0.002342,0.022292,-0.008143

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 01:42 PM
Serbia_Naissus_LateAntiquity.SG:R6764.SG,0.126344, 0.161469,0.017348,-0.033915,0.038776,-0.02259,0.00141,0,0.004909,0.038816,0.006983,0.013 038,-0.017245,0.004404,-0.018865,0.006232,0.030249,0.003674,0.010433,-0.004502,-0.009733,-0.004822,-0.005916,-0.003976,-0.011496
Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_3.SG:R6756.SG,0.1229 29,0.171624,0.008674,-0.043282,0.030159,-0.01506,0.003055,-0.001385,0.003477,0.037358,0.005521,0.008093,-0.008028,-0.004542,-0.031894,-0.010077,0.009388,-0.00038,0.006662,-0.013381,-0.012104,0.012984,-0.004314,0.006868,-0.001078
Bulgaria_LateAntiquity:I18792,0.110408,0.179749,0. 003771,-0.056202,0.023389,-0.020359,-0.003055,0.001846,0.01718,0.043737,-0.008769,0.003297,-0.028246,-0.016239,-0.019137,-0.005171,0.02386,-0.010642,-0.003897,-0.006003,-0.016097,0.017064,-0.002342,0.022292,-0.008143


Thank you :)

Naissus is about 9% Slavic, but other two are fine, I'm taking them!

This one also works:


Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG,0.1172 38,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395

Scarface F
11-29-2023, 01:58 PM
New version is here!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?379132-V2-6-calculator-Balkans-central-eastern-Europe&p=7844124#post7844124