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Incal
08-04-2023, 05:34 AM
Saw it just a moment ago and thought the feedback would be interesting:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2ndK5AXcAAXHT_?format=png&name=small

calxpal
08-06-2023, 06:21 AM
Ugh good question but kind of tough. I have an answer although not the best, but I'd say extra charges at the dentist and eye doctor. As much as we believe they always have our best interest, which some of them actually do I believe, some of them do not care about your eye or dental health and only want to scare you or pressure you into giving them more money than necessary to line their pockets. I've been astounded at some of the stupid things and things I could not afford that they actually tried to sell me on despite providing shit level service, and things they've pushed on others as well. I have had multiple experiences that demonstrated this. I do think seeing an eye doctor and dentist is essential though, I'm not trying to discourage people I just think people trust them a bit too much.

I was also going to say taking out student loans but I think people are realizing It's scammy nature more.

Etelfrido
08-06-2023, 06:56 AM
Central banks being able to print as much money as they please.

Incal
08-06-2023, 01:48 PM
The other day I heard that breakfast is also a scam: US food companies needed an extra buck so they hired propaganda master Edward Bernays (a jew BTW) to convince the public that breakfast was the most important meal of the day. It worked; and sausage, egg, milk, etc consumption went on the rise. Now I understand why I'm never hungry in the morning.

Mr.G
08-06-2023, 05:58 PM
Ugh good question but kind of tough. I have an answer although not the best, but I'd say extra charges at the dentist and eye doctor. As much as we believe they always have our best interest, which some of them actually do I believe, some of them do not care about your eye or dental health and only want to scare you or pressure you into giving them more money than necessary to line their pockets. I've been astounded at some of the stupid things and things I could not afford that they actually tried to sell me on despite providing shit level service, and things they've pushed on others as well. I have had multiple experiences that demonstrated this. I do think seeing an eye doctor and dentist is essential though, I'm not trying to discourage people I just think people trust them a bit too much.

I was also going to say taking out student loans but I think people are realizing It's scammy nature more.

Some years ago I was going to this big dental practice, they claimed I needed cleanings every three months, and were also pushing me to replace my old fillings, and to replace an old crown (I refused all of that). Sold me an electric toothbrush they were pushing and claimed I needed to use (or else my gums faced certain doom). Place was very impersonal, and always really long wait times..

About 5 or 6 years ago I found a great mom and pop type dental office, it's just the one dentist, he is not part of any larger group or anything, nice man. I go every 6 months, the hygienist cleans my teeth, then the dentist comes over looks in my mouth and says, "Wow, you got a lot of teeth. Well, I don't see any problems, looks good to me. See you next time".

Sheppey
08-06-2023, 06:29 PM
Saw it just a moment ago and thought the feedback would be interesting:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2ndK5AXcAAXHT_?format=png&name=small

Psychiatry it is basically a black art and a con game. That is not to say people don't have disturbing behaviours but such behaviours might be caused for environmental or dietary reasons rather than any kind of biological defect. For instance, not being able to process folic acid via the MTHFR polymorphism is not a biological defect since folic acid is not natural.

Cybele
08-06-2023, 07:56 PM
Women smoking cigarettes, it’s a totally normal thing these days, in the United States and other parts of the world. But it was popularized with an experiment which was especially created to persuade women into smoking, to generate more profits for corporations.

The one who came up with the idea of the experiment was Edward Bernays (the nephew of Sigmund Freud) a pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda. He realized that it was possible to persuade people to behave irrationally, if you link products to their emotional desires and feelings, by manipulating the unconscious.
At that time (after WWI), there was a taboo invoked by men, against women smoking in public. So, George Hills, the president of the American Tobacco Company and the client of Bernays, asked him of a way of breaking this taboo. Hills did so, because he thought he was losing half of his market.

Edward Bernays consulted a psychoanalyst to find out what cigarettes mean to women. The psychoanalyst said the cigarettes were a symbol of male sexual power. And he told Bernays that if he could find a way to connect cigarettes with the idea of challenging male power, then women would smoke. Cigarettes were a symbol of the penis. Women would smoke because it was then that they’d have their own penises.
Every year, New York held a Easter Day parade to which thousands came. So Bernays decided to stage an event there. He persuaded a group of debutantes to hide cigarettes under their clothes, then they should join parade. At a given signal from him, they were to light up the cigarettes dramatically. Bernays informed the press that he heard that a group of suffragettes were preparing to protest by lighting up what they called “torches of freedom”. He knew this will be an outcry and he knew of the photographers would be there to capture this moment. He was ready with the phrase “torches of freedom”. The symbol were young women smoking a cigarette in public with a phrase that means, anybody who believes in this kind of equality, has to support them in the ensuing debate about this. Even the Statue of Liberty/ freedom was holding up the torch. So there was a mix of emotion, memory working together with the phrase he made up. The next day, that news was all across the United States and the world.

From that point forward, the sale of cigarettes to women began to rise. He had made the socially acceptable with a single symbolic act, and created the idea that if a woman smoked, it made her more powerful and independent, an idea that still persists today. The idea that smoking was actually made women freer was completely irrational, but it made them feel more independent, a powerful emotional symbol of how one wanted to be seen by others. Together, these efforts to conflate smoking with freedom and make smoking acceptable for women created a new set of consumers and reinforced Bernays’s argument that demand could be created.

Chesterfield, in a 1930s ad, argued that “women started to smoke…just about the time they began to vote”
https://i.imgur.com/J45ZZGD.jpg

A later ad for Phillip Morris tells women to “Believe in yourself!”
https://i.imgur.com/dQauENd.jpg

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/02/27/torches-of-freedom-women-and-smoking-propaganda/

Cybele
08-06-2023, 08:06 PM
The other day I heard that breakfast is also a scam: US food companies needed an extra buck so they hired propaganda master Edward Bernays (a jew BTW) to convince the public that breakfast was the most important meal of the day. It worked; and sausage, egg, milk, etc consumption went on the rise. Now I understand why I'm never hungry in the morning.

Indeed. He was really sneaky. I've heard about him from this docu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s&t=921s
I also am not hungry in the morning :). Better listen to your own body, than this corporation's propagandist.

Incal
08-06-2023, 08:22 PM
Women smoking cigarettes, it’s a totally normal thing these days, in the United States and other parts of the world. But it was popularized with an experiment which was especially created to persuade women into smoking, to generate more profits for corporations.

The one who came up with the idea of the experiment was Edward Bernays (the nephew of Sigmund Freud) a pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda. He realized that it was possible to persuade people to behave irrationally, if you link products to their emotional desires and feelings, by manipulating the unconscious.
At that time (after WWI), there was a taboo invoked by men, against women smoking in public. So, George Hills, the president of the American Tobacco Company and the client of Bernays, asked him of a way of breaking this taboo. Hills did so, because he thought he was losing half of his market.

Edward Bernays consulted a psychoanalyst to find out what cigarettes mean to women. The psychoanalyst said the cigarettes were a symbol of male sexual power. And he told Bernays that if he could find a way to connect cigarettes with the idea of challenging male power, then women would smoke. Cigarettes were a symbol of the penis. Women would smoke because it was then that they’d have their own penises.
Every year, New York held a Easter Day parade to which thousands came. So Bernays decided to stage an event there. He persuaded a group of debutantes to hide cigarettes under their clothes, then they should join parade. At a given signal from him, they were to light up the cigarettes dramatically. Bernays informed the press that he heard that a group of suffragettes were preparing to protest by lighting up what they called “torches of freedom”. He knew this will be an outcry and he knew of the photographers would be there to capture this moment. He was ready with the phrase “torches of freedom”. The symbol were young women smoking a cigarette in public with a phrase that means, anybody who believes in this kind of equality, has to support them in the ensuing debate about this. Even the Statue of Liberty/ freedom was holding up the torch. So there was a mix of emotion, memory working together with the phrase he made up. The next day, that news was all across the United States and the world.

From that point forward, the sale of cigarettes to women began to rise. He had made the socially acceptable with a single symbolic act, and created the idea that if a woman smoked, it made her more powerful and independent, an idea that still persists today. The idea that smoking was actually made women freer was completely irrational, but it made them feel more independent, a powerful emotional symbol of how one wanted to be seen by others. Together, these efforts to conflate smoking with freedom and make smoking acceptable for women created a new set of consumers and reinforced Bernays’s argument that demand could be created.



Sounds like feminism lol

Voskos
08-06-2023, 08:24 PM
consumerism.

calxpal
08-07-2023, 12:37 AM
Some years ago I was going to this big dental practice, they claimed I needed cleanings every three months, and were also pushing me to replace my old fillings, and to replace an old crown (I refused all of that). Sold me an electric toothbrush they were pushing and claimed I needed to use (or else my gums faced certain doom). Place was very impersonal, and always really long wait times..

About 5 or 6 years ago I found a great mom and pop type dental office, it's just the one dentist, he is not part of any larger group or anything, nice man. I go every 6 months, the hygienist cleans my teeth, then the dentist comes over looks in my mouth and says, "Wow, you got a lot of teeth. Well, I don't see any problems, looks good to me. See you next time".

Yeah I recently had a similar experience. I used to have a really experienced and thorough dentist/hygienist in my old hometown who I trusted for years, a mom and pop practice similar to what you mentioned, but unfortunately since I moved I've had to look for a new practice and haven't had great luck yet. The last place I went to I had this rude nasty sales-woman type hygienist do the cleaning and she kept guilt tripping me and insulting me because I didn't abide by her recommendation to do X-rays ever fucking 6 MONTHS! I've NEVER had any dental practice recommend it so frequently before, never mind so aggressively! Not only that but she hurried and made an appointment for it WITHOUT EVEN FUCKING ASKING ME!!!! I was smart enough to realize what her fucking ass was doing though, trying to get more money out of me. She also pushed the hell of of me to buy this expensive toothpaste (fucking cash grab lol) and she kept yelling at me and insulted me instead of cleaning my teeth well that I needed that super expensive wisdom tooth surgery. Like just as a recommendation that type of thing is okay but shoving it down my throat the whole appointment and making belittling comments is suspicious as fuck especially since they never took Xrays or anything else to even evaluate for that type of thing lmao. She also told me if I didn't abide by that that I was being immature and that all my teeth would fall out soon! And that I was lying about not having tooth pain like what a crock of shit! I was so mad though because she was so focused on trying to sell me shit that she didn't even clean my teeth properly :mad::mad::mad: I still had a bit of tartar when I left ughhh and she didn't use gloves or follow proper hygiene :mad:, like why the fuck would I trust her ass to recommend these stupid procedures and items when she couldn't clean my teeth properly?

That practice was also suspicious though because they were super impersonal and didn't respond to criticism from anyone. I also know a family member who went there and got fooled into getting this expensive surgery, the did it and they cracked one of her teeth out and refused to take any liability!

I warned my dad not to go there and he did anyways, and he literally got SCAMMED! They charged him for something they DIDN'T even do and flat out refused to refund him saying they did that!!!!! He went back a second time and they did the same thing again!!!!!

I know I wrote a lot lol just wanted to share my thoughts and vent a little too I guess.....I could also share my experiences with eye doctors trying to upsell me but I'm not sure if that's of interest or not.

I wanted to say though that I appreciate you sharing your experience and being understanding =), and not telling me that doctors/dentists are always right. I'm also very sorry that you had those bad experiences.

Budimir
08-07-2023, 02:08 AM
owning cars

Ellethwyn
08-07-2023, 05:02 AM
The other day I heard that breakfast is also a scam: US food companies needed an extra buck so they hired propaganda master Edward Bernays (a jew BTW) to convince the public that breakfast was the most important meal of the day. It worked; and sausage, egg, milk, etc consumption went on the rise. Now I understand why I'm never hungry in the morning.

I'm never hungry in the morning either. I don't know how people eat breakfast. The earliest I want to eat is at like noon.

Ellethwyn
08-07-2023, 05:07 AM
American health insurance.